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2022-08-08 2:03:08 PM  
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2022-08-08 2:03:26 PM  
There should be a "Wow" tag.
 
2022-08-08 2:18:49 PM  
Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas


I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.
 
2022-08-08 2:23:53 PM  
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A response so savage I can only type in memes.
 
2022-08-08 2:25:52 PM  
GOOD.

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/cлава кіткраїнi
 
2022-08-08 2:29:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.


There's very good reason to go after Amnesty International for this farce

/AI has also routinely ignored other human rights abuses in other global hotbeds for reasons
 
2022-08-08 2:33:06 PM  
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2022-08-08 2:34:36 PM  
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2022-08-08 2:51:07 PM  

somedude210: NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.

There's very good reason to go after Amnesty International for this farce

/AI has also routinely ignored other human rights abuses in other global hotbeds for reasons


Amnesty always conducts interviews and reports like that. Check out what they do in Africa.

Look, I'm not defending anyone or anything... I'm just saying it may not go over well attacking Amnesty International. But, again, for the 5th time... I totally understand... and they are not likely to put up with anything right now.

I get it.
 
2022-08-08 3:04:08 PM  
I wonder if she is single.
 
2022-08-08 3:08:00 PM  
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Awesome.
 
2022-08-08 3:19:52 PM  
Keep in mind, Russia doesn't have to be attacking Ukraine at all.  Nobody is making them.
 
2022-08-08 3:21:32 PM  
Russian nuts on the wall? Russian walnuts
Russian nuts on your chest? Russian chestnuts
Russian nuts on your chin? Russian chin-nuts?

"Hell naw, biatch, you've got a Russian . . ."
 
2022-08-08 3:22:53 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.


I'm not sure there's anything you could do to an invading soldier that I'd consider unethical.
 
2022-08-08 3:22:57 PM  
Well she's not wrong.
 
2022-08-08 3:24:35 PM  
Excellent.
 
2022-08-08 3:24:44 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.


AI is ignoring that Ukrainians are fighting in their cities and homes because they are defending their cities and homes. They aren't just going to vacate these areas and leave the population within to the Russians.

AI is acting like this war is some academic exercise where the "rules of war" can be applied in a cold and rational war. Yes it's true militaries aren't supposed to fight in cities, but the reason they are fighting there is because Russia has made them a target of it's campaign NOT because Ukraine is deliberately moving forces to these areas to provoke Russian attacks.

The aggressor is clear and their objectives are clear, and that aggression is the biggest crime and the reason any civilians are killed anywhere in Ukraine.

AI should be criticizing Russia for targeting civilian population centers and thus requiring their defense
 
2022-08-08 3:24:45 PM  

somedude210: NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.

There's very good reason to go after Amnesty International for this farce

/AI has also routinely ignored other human rights abuses in other global hotbeds for reasons


Holy shiat. If true, than that is just straight up evil.
 
2022-08-08 3:25:52 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.


Amnesty will always take the Russian's side: they might go bankrupt if they lost the funding that is channeled to them to keep the West looking bad.
 
2022-08-08 3:26:04 PM  
Amnesty ruined its reputation completely with that one "Finding"
It's as if Putin holds a gun to the head of that Org.
Fuq' them
 
2022-08-08 3:26:24 PM  
So, every Amnesty International tweet should be immediately followed by a tweet:  Speak up.  It sounds like you have a Russian d*** in your mouth."


Better than that Elon Musk bitcoin offer.  I got so many bitcoins from Elon.   I put two out by the garbage yesterday and the dustman won't touch 'em
 
2022-08-08 3:27:41 PM  

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Awesome.


So hot and out of farks to give
 
2022-08-08 3:29:17 PM  
Путин хуйло.

And the people who were raised by the Kremlin's dupes are no better.
These are the same wankers who will cry "Never forget!" about the Holocaust while Communist-splaining that the Holodomor wasn't really genocide, and Stalin was just misunderstood.
 
2022-08-08 3:32:18 PM  

Laobaojun: Путин хуйло.

And the people who were raised by the Kremlin's dupes are no better.
These are the same wankers who will cry "Never forget!" about the Holocaust while Communist-splaining that the Holodomor wasn't really genocide, and Stalin was just misunderstood.


Half the Russia supporters are already Holocaust deniers.
 
2022-08-08 3:35:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.


Forces are put in populated areas because the Russians are attacking populated areas.

Anybody that faults Ukraine for putting forces there without acknowledging that fact is doing Russia's propaganda job for them, and protesting that they've always been impartial doesn't change that.
 
2022-08-08 3:36:24 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: So, every Amnesty International tweet should be immediately followed by a tweet:  Speak up.  It sounds like you have a Russian d*** in your mouth."


Better than that Elon Musk bitcoin offer.  I got so many bitcoins from Elon.   I put two out by the garbage yesterday and the dustman won't touch 'em


CALL THE BITCOIN POLICE!
 
2022-08-08 3:37:37 PM  

Meatsim1: AI should be criticizing Russia for targeting civilian population centers and thus requiring their defense


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2022-08-08 3:38:02 PM  

Cokezeroinacan: Laobaojun: Путин хуйло.

And the people who were raised by the Kremlin's dupes are no better.
These are the same wankers who will cry "Never forget!" about the Holocaust while Communist-splaining that the Holodomor wasn't really genocide, and Stalin was just misunderstood.

Half the Russia supporters are already Holocaust deniers.


In the US, now.
So-called "conservatives" defending Russia's genocidal invasion of Ukraine is horrifying.
Reagan must be spinning in his grave.  The ghost of Eisenhower is definitely pissing in every coffee cup in the RNC headquarters.

/If those carpet-bagging hypocrites can get the Evangelical dicks out of their mouths long enough for a coffee break.
 
2022-08-08 3:38:17 PM  
Damn!

Agnes with the "I don't care who started the fight" energy. More people should let AI know what side you end up taking when trying to be neutral in a war of aggression.

Fark her up, Alina.
 
2022-08-08 3:42:03 PM  

Abox: Meatsim1: AI should be criticizing Russia for targeting civilian population centers and thus requiring their defense

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No it's pretty clear who started targeting population centers first and why
 
2022-08-08 3:47:44 PM  
Just as a counter-point the weird dog-piling that going on, here's a thoroughly written report by Amnesty International from last month about Russian war crimes.

"Anyone can die at any time" Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine

/Took 10 seconds of googling to find.
 
2022-08-08 3:48:30 PM  
That's not the AI I was looking for.
 
2022-08-08 3:48:33 PM  
It doesn't mean much, but to me Amnesty International has completely discredited itself.
 
2022-08-08 3:50:28 PM  

Reverend J: Just as a counter-point the weird dog-piling that going on, here's a thoroughly written report by Amnesty International from last month about Russian war crimes.

"Anyone can die at any time" Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine

/Took 10 seconds of googling to find.


How is that, in any way, a "counter-point?"
 
2022-08-08 3:53:18 PM  
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2022-08-08 3:54:57 PM  

emtwo: Reverend J: Just as a counter-point the weird dog-piling that going on, here's a thoroughly written report by Amnesty International from last month about Russian war crimes.

"Anyone can die at any time" Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine

/Took 10 seconds of googling to find.

How is that, in any way, a "counter-point?"


To show that they're not Russian stooges like everyone claims, and they do their homework before making reports. People are treating this report in a vacuum, and I just find the lack of context, odd. I have no real opinion of AI one way or another, but even a cursory look shows that there's a lot more going on here.
 
2022-08-08 3:55:16 PM  
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2022-08-08 3:55:17 PM  

Reverend J: Just as a counter-point the weird dog-piling that going on, here's a thoroughly written report by Amnesty International from last month about Russian war crimes.

"Anyone can die at any time" Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine

/Took 10 seconds of googling to find.


How is it a counterpoint when their report on Ukrainian "crimes" comes from Russian occupied territories with prisoners who are under extreme duress and who have no reason to be honest to AI and literally every reason to lie to them (because the Russian captors will execute them and their families)?
 
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2022-08-08 3:56:24 PM  

cannibalparrot: NewportBarGuy: Ummm... Lots of bad things happen in war and can be done by the good guys too. Sometimes on purpose by sickos, sometimes by accident, sometimes by necessity of an operation (collateral damage happens). It absolutely does not help the cause, but I'm not sure attacking Amnesty is going to be much help.

It's better to just say, "Hey, we had mission creep, or we were in the wrong zone, or sh*t happens."

These are the only things I see them say:

Military bases set up in residential areas including schools and hospitals
Attacks launched from populated civilian areas

I think those are true and they do invite retaliatory strikes... but they are fighting a battle on home turf, that sh*t is going to happen.

But, I do get it. And Amnesty is... well... they do good stuff... but Ukraine is fighting an incredibly tough war and they don't want to hear that sh*t. Totally get it. But... it's not Russian propaganda or anything as bad as they are making it out to be.

Forces are put in populated areas because the Russians are attacking populated areas.

Anybody that faults Ukraine for putting forces there without acknowledging that fact is doing Russia's propaganda job for them, and protesting that they've always been impartial doesn't change that.


I completely understand that. And, if innocents die while conducting military operations from there, I totally understand that. That's war and it is brutal as f*ck.

But...
fm27_10.pdf (army.mil)

Rules of Land Warfare... No, you don't actually HAVE to follow them, but... some people are going to call it out.

Unleash on Amnesty... I support whatever Ukraine has to do to fight Russia, it is not always going to be pretty.
 
2022-08-08 3:56:25 PM  
Well you see, if a soldier enters a building, that becomes a valid military target. So lets say that solider is on leave and visiting family, that family home is game to be targeted with artillery fire. Furthermore, if you have a general draft ongoing, and any man under 60 can be drafted, any home may potentially house an enemy combatant. It is therefore fair game for the local playground to be hit with cluster munitions.

/s
//but also pretty darn close to the typical russian mindset.
 
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2022-08-08 3:57:12 PM  
Very professional!
 
2022-08-08 3:58:55 PM  

jethroe: Very professional!


Oldest profession...
 
2022-08-08 3:58:59 PM  

jethroe: Very professional!


Shut the fark up
 
2022-08-08 3:59:01 PM  

Reverend J: Just as a counter-point the weird dog-piling that going on, here's a thoroughly written report by Amnesty International from last month about Russian war crimes.

"Anyone can die at any time" Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine

/Took 10 seconds of googling to find.


They specifically said in the Amnesty report that "this does not imply that Russia hasn't committed many war crimes itself" or some such.  But people still freaked.
 
2022-08-08 3:59:16 PM  

replacementcool: jethroe: Very professional!

Shut the fark up


Nope.
 
2022-08-08 4:01:28 PM  

jethroe: replacementcool: jethroe: Very professional!

Shut the fark up

Nope.


Keep embarrassing yourself
 
2022-08-08 4:02:08 PM  

Reverend J: To show that they're not Russian stooges like everyone claims, and they do their homework before making reports. People are treating this report in a vacuum, and I just find the lack of context, odd. I have no real opinion of AI one way or another, but even a cursory look shows that there's a lot more going on here.


What do any of the times where they may have not done shoddy work on behalf of Russian propaganda, have to do with the time in which they clearly did? Why is that relevant?
 
2022-08-08 4:14:10 PM  
somedude210:

There's very good reason to go after Amnesty International for this farce

Dukh is overstating things here.  Stratcom said "some" of the interviews "may" have been conducted inside Russian controlled territory.

https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1556639186257874944
 
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