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(Independent)   Manafort: Oh, *that* Russian collusion. Yeah, I shared data with a Russian spy, but I did it for money, not to help they guy whose campaign I was running   (independent.co.uk) divider line
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2022-08-08 1:07:16 PM  
He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?
 
2022-08-08 1:35:36 PM  
...greed somehow excuses his behavior?

I'm confused.
 
2022-08-08 1:41:54 PM  
Lock him up
 
2022-08-08 1:43:04 PM  

imashark: ...greed somehow excuses his behavior?

I'm confused.


Exactly. That's the point. It's a spin job - confuse the issue of his motivations in order to draw attention away from the fact that HE DID IT. Keep people debating his motivations and they'll ignore the act. Just like Trumpists saying "But he really believed the election was stolen" and then you've got people back to debating whether the election was stolen and if he could reasonably believe that, instead of paying attention to the simple fact that HE DID IT. 

I don't care if it was to get medicine for his sick grandmother. He freakin' sold his country out. Fark this guy.
 
2022-08-08 1:48:10 PM  

ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?


Because he doesn't feel like it. That's all it takes these days (if you're a Republican).
 
2022-08-08 1:55:25 PM  
Paul Manafort, the chairman of former president Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, has admitted sharing confidential campaign polling data with a suspected Russian intelligence officer at the same time Moscow was interfering in the 2016 election on Mr Trump's behalf.

Seems awfully collud-y.
 
2022-08-08 2:04:08 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Paul Manafort, the chairman of former president Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, has admitted sharing confidential campaign polling data with a suspected Russian intelligence officer at the same time Moscow was interfering in the 2016 election on Mr Trump's behalf.

Seems awfully collud-y.


But you see, there's no crime specifically called "collusion" so he's completely innocent. Just ignore all the other stuff.
 
2022-08-08 2:05:33 PM  
"Russia, Russia, Russia!"
 
2022-08-08 3:15:46 PM  

ArkPanda: Dusk-You-n-Me: Paul Manafort, the chairman of former president Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, has admitted sharing confidential campaign polling data with a suspected Russian intelligence officer at the same time Moscow was interfering in the 2016 election on Mr Trump's behalf.

Seems awfully collud-y.

But you see, there's no crime specifically called "collusion" so he's completely innocent. Just ignore all the other stuff.

with a suspected Russian intelligence officer


Nobody investigated that guy to find out for sure?  Two years of investigation?

Mueller did, actually, but it's harder to move clicks when you include that info

This is a giant nothing-burger.  Maddow called Gates "Mueller's star cooperating witness."  Gates said of the polling data:

"Top-line data, and I want people to understand what that means," he says. "It was like, 'Ohio, Clinton 48, Trump 50,' Or, 'Wisconsin, Trump 50, Clinton 42.' The sources were a combination of things like RealClear Politicsand occasionally some numbers from [Republican pollster] Tony Fabrizio. But it was all just top-line stuff."

No one ever bothered to walk back the pieces of this that were just pedestrian noise, there's no incentive to do so.  Everyone went over the cliff together, everyone stopped investigating together.

/if Kilimnik is a spy, the crack, Pulitzer winning NY Times team should chase that down
//the only government entity that Mueller could tie him to was our State Department
///none of the people who still use his name like it's meaningful will chase that enormous story, for some reason.

And for the idiots: this isn't pro-Trump.  Throwing an institutional haymaker at someone and missing badly actually helps the person you tried to punch.
 
2022-08-08 3:37:54 PM  
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2022-08-08 3:38:10 PM  
That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.
 
2022-08-08 3:39:25 PM  
Remember how Paul manaforts own daughter's hate him so much they turned over his texts and are pretty sure he's had people killed, and republicans like Naido are still carrying water for traitors?
 
2022-08-08 3:41:02 PM  
Now that everyone can read Alex Jones' texts and emails their memories are starting to clear up.

/Ain't nothing gonna happen though
 
2022-08-08 3:43:44 PM  
Hey, remember when Manafort took over as head of Trump's campaign in 2016 and the only change made to the RNC's platform was to remove support for Ukraine?
 
2022-08-08 3:44:20 PM  

mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.


Within the confines of his directive. He did everything we could have hoped for. It's congress that you should be mad at.
 
2022-08-08 3:45:58 PM  
JFC, how untouchable do you have to feel to admit this in some crappy interview with Business Insider?!  The Trump administration was nothing but traitors, Nazis, and Nazi traitors.  And that fark is probably going to run again.  SMDH
 
2022-08-08 3:47:56 PM  

LL316: mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.

Within the confines of his directive. He did everything we could have hoped for. It's congress that you should be mad at.


Ah, yes. The elite criminal impunity was stopped by an obscure DOJ memo, so we should have the guys who literally can't do anything to help people because of an obscure Senatorial rule take charge. Somehow this damned technical paperwork seems to trip up Democrats in a way they don't affect Republicans.
 
2022-08-08 3:48:32 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Paul Manafort, the chairman of former president Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, has admitted sharing confidential campaign polling data with a suspected Russian intelligence officer at the same time Moscow was interfering in the 2016 election on Mr Trump's behalf.

Seems awfully collud-y.


yes it does but amy barret loves teh babbys so its ok
 
2022-08-08 3:49:49 PM  

ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?


You mean behind bars?
 
2022-08-08 3:49:50 PM  

mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.


Ahh, the quintessential Republican comes to mind...
 
2022-08-08 3:50:51 PM  
NO COLLUSION NO COLLUSION TOTALLY EXONORATED!
 
2022-08-08 3:51:13 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hey, remember when Manafort took over as head of Trump's campaign in 2016 and the only change made to the RNC's platform was to remove support for Ukraine?


Remember how trump got impeached for trying to blackmail Ukraine with promised aid in exchange for fake dirt on Hunter biden?
 
2022-08-08 3:51:19 PM  

Naido: ArkPanda: Dusk-You-n-Me: Paul Manafort, the chairman of former president Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, has admitted sharing confidential campaign polling data with a suspected Russian intelligence officer at the same time Moscow was interfering in the 2016 election on Mr Trump's behalf.

Seems awfully collud-y.

But you see, there's no crime specifically called "collusion" so he's completely innocent. Just ignore all the other stuff.

with a suspected Russian intelligence officer

Nobody investigated that guy to find out for sure?  Two years of investigation?

Mueller did, actually, but it's harder to move clicks when you include that info

This is a giant nothing-burger.  Maddow called Gates "Mueller's star cooperating witness."  Gates said of the polling data:

"Top-line data, and I want people to understand what that means," he says. "It was like, 'Ohio, Clinton 48, Trump 50,' Or, 'Wisconsin, Trump 50, Clinton 42.' The sources were a combination of things like RealClear Politicsand occasionally some numbers from [Republican pollster] Tony Fabrizio. But it was all just top-line stuff."

No one ever bothered to walk back the pieces of this that were just pedestrian noise, there's no incentive to do so.  Everyone went over the cliff together, everyone stopped investigating together.

/if Kilimnik is a spy, the crack, Pulitzer winning NY Times team should chase that down
//the only government entity that Mueller could tie him to was our State Department
///none of the people who still use his name like it's meaningful will chase that enormous story, for some reason.

And for the idiots: this isn't pro-Trump.  Throwing an institutional haymaker at someone and missing badly actually helps the person you tried to punch.


The Senate Intelligence Report, written by the GOP, directly calls Kilimnik a Russian agent. So take your horseshiat elsewhere.

And Gates would never lie about what polling data he gave? Of course not! He was always honest and above board. Especially when he was stealing money from Manafort.
 
2022-08-08 3:53:36 PM  

replacementcool: Remember how Paul manaforts own daughter's hate him so much they turned over his texts and are pretty sure he's had people killed, and republicans like Naido are still carrying water for traitors?


They didn't turn over their texts. Their accounts were hacked and publicly released. They do hate their dad though, but they loved his money more.
 
2022-08-08 3:54:22 PM  
Now that the feds have AJ's phone data, expect a lot more Pubs to "clarify" previous statements with a "I only went in there to get directions on how to get away from there."
 
2022-08-08 3:54:57 PM  

dsmith42: Naido: ArkPanda: Dusk-You-n-Me: Paul Manafort, the chairman of former president Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, has admitted sharing confidential campaign polling data with a suspected Russian intelligence officer at the same time Moscow was interfering in the 2016 election on Mr Trump's behalf.

Seems awfully collud-y.

But you see, there's no crime specifically called "collusion" so he's completely innocent. Just ignore all the other stuff.

with a suspected Russian intelligence officer

Nobody investigated that guy to find out for sure?  Two years of investigation?

Mueller did, actually, but it's harder to move clicks when you include that info

This is a giant nothing-burger.  Maddow called Gates "Mueller's star cooperating witness."  Gates said of the polling data:

"Top-line data, and I want people to understand what that means," he says. "It was like, 'Ohio, Clinton 48, Trump 50,' Or, 'Wisconsin, Trump 50, Clinton 42.' The sources were a combination of things like RealClear Politicsand occasionally some numbers from [Republican pollster] Tony Fabrizio. But it was all just top-line stuff."

No one ever bothered to walk back the pieces of this that were just pedestrian noise, there's no incentive to do so.  Everyone went over the cliff together, everyone stopped investigating together.

/if Kilimnik is a spy, the crack, Pulitzer winning NY Times team should chase that down
//the only government entity that Mueller could tie him to was our State Department
///none of the people who still use his name like it's meaningful will chase that enormous story, for some reason.

And for the idiots: this isn't pro-Trump.  Throwing an institutional haymaker at someone and missing badly actually helps the person you tried to punch.

The Senate Intelligence Report, written by the GOP, directly calls Kilimnik a Russian agent. So take your horseshiat elsewhere.

And Gates would never lie about what polling data he gave? Of course not! He was always honest and above board. Espec ...


Beat me to it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/18/senate-details-paul-manafort-ties-russian-intel-officer-kilimnik/3390437001/

"The Committee assesses that Kilimnik likely served as a channel to Manafort for Russian intelligence services, and that those services likely sought to exploit Manafort's access to gain insight in to the Campaign,"
 
2022-08-08 3:55:08 PM  

ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?


Because Manafort was pardoned by Trump.
 
2022-08-08 3:56:44 PM  

MrBallou: ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?

Because he doesn't feel like it. That's all it takes these days (if you're a Republican).


I have adopted this tactic in my professional life. We'll see where it lands.

Boss: "You missed a meeting"
Me: "I conveniently forgot"
 
2022-08-08 3:58:05 PM  
This guy needs to be hanging from a lamppost by his own entrails.
 
2022-08-08 3:59:57 PM  
Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi, if they had even a shred of integrity left, would shut the fark up now.

They do not, so expect them to continue bleating.
 
2022-08-08 4:02:11 PM  

Troy McClure: ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?

Because Manafort was pardoned by Trump.


First, he was pardoned for tax evasion, not for the numerous crimes involved with conspiring with a foreign nation to obtain assistance for a political campaign. So that pardon has no bearing here.

Second. he needs to be on a witness stand first to extract all the information about the financial gain he evaded taxes on - like who paid him and for what. Because that's gonna tie directly into this mess.
 
2022-08-08 4:03:16 PM  
Yes and Trump just happened to randomly pardon this guy who was simply trying to make some money.

Pull the other one.
 
2022-08-08 4:08:20 PM  

ox45tallboy: imashark: ...greed somehow excuses his behavior?

I'm confused.

Exactly. That's the point. It's a spin job - confuse the issue of his motivations in order to draw attention away from the fact that HE DID IT. Keep people debating his motivations and they'll ignore the act. Just like Trumpists saying "But he really believed the election was stolen" and then you've got people back to debating whether the election was stolen and if he could reasonably believe that, instead of paying attention to the simple fact that HE DID IT. 

I don't care if it was to get medicine for his sick grandmother. He freakin' sold his country out. Fark this guy.


But... her emails!
 
2022-08-08 4:08:21 PM  
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2022-08-08 4:11:50 PM  

LL316: mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.

Within the confines of his directive. He did everything we could have hoped for. It's congress that you should be mad at.


Why are we supposed to be mad at Congress who was only shown a version that had all the evidence redacted out of it. Why not point the finger at Bill Barr and his cover-up where it belongs?

Why, after all the farkery the Republicans did around the 2016 election are you directing your outrage at the Democrats?

who, by the way, impeached Trump twice.
 
2022-08-08 4:11:54 PM  

ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?


Why isn't he in custody right now being processed?
Oh, right.  Garland had some milk and cookies and is down for a nap.
 
2022-08-08 4:14:13 PM  

IRestoreFurniture: ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?

You mean behind bars?


He was, right? Wasn't he pardoned?
 
2022-08-08 4:15:00 PM  

mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.



Mueller's report specifically stated they were obstructed by several parties and the investigation was hindered as a result.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-russia-sanctions-resolve-mystery-mueller-left-unanswered

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And FTFA they used "sophisticated" anti-detection comms to keep their trail clear.

So it's not simply a matter of Mueller not finding a conspiracy.  He DID find collusion between various/likely RU actors like Kilimnik and Guccifer and Assange and people associated with Trump's circle.

BUT...  Bob Barr used legal semantics to give the appearance there was no collusion.  Since there were no OFFICIAL campaign employees acting as couriers between RU and Trump, and because the RU side was also using middle men, Barr could find the words he needed to twist the report results.

Also the redactions of Assange and Stone interaction due to Stone's ongoing investigation/trial made it so the report lost a lot of its weight.  They had a month or more to establish the narrative and do damage control before any of the real info started coming out...some of it took years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-new-intel-manafort-friend-kilimnik-gave-trump-n1264371

tl'dr: don't blame Mueller for what Barr did and for the obstruction among Trump's people
 
2022-08-08 4:16:08 PM  

ox45tallboy: Troy McClure: ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?

Because Manafort was pardoned by Trump.

First, he was pardoned for tax evasion, not for the numerous crimes involved with conspiring with a foreign nation to obtain assistance for a political campaign. So that pardon has no bearing here.

Second. he needs to be on a witness stand first to extract all the information about the financial gain he evaded taxes on - like who paid him and for what. Because that's gonna tie directly into this mess.


i have been advised that he can't right now because the pardon is under audit by the irs
 
2022-08-08 4:17:27 PM  

mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.


Evidently turning your campaign data over to a foreign country isn't illegal.
 
2022-08-08 4:20:44 PM  

lordjupiter: mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.


Mueller's report specifically stated they were obstructed by several parties and the investigation was hindered as a result.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-russia-sanctions-resolve-mystery-mueller-left-unanswered

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And FTFA they used "sophisticated" anti-detection comms to keep their trail clear.

So it's not simply a matter of Mueller not finding a conspiracy.  He DID find collusion between various/likely RU actors like Kilimnik and Guccifer and Assange and people associated with Trump's circle.

BUT...  Bob Barr used legal semantics to give the appearance there was no collusion.  Since there were no OFFICIAL campaign employees acting as couriers between RU and Trump, and because the RU side was also using middle men, Barr could find the words he needed to twist the report results.

Also the redactions of Assange and Stone interaction due to Stone's ongoing investigation/trial made it so the report lost a lot of its weight.  They had a month or more to establish the narrative and do damage control before any of the real info started coming out...some of it took years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-new-intel-manafort-friend-kilimnik-gave-trump-n1264371

tl'dr: don't blame Mueller for what Barr did and for the obstruction among Trump's people


Yea, he documented at least 10 instances of criminal obstruction that he also choose not to prosecute because... some farking memo.
 
2022-08-08 4:21:08 PM  
Our so called legal system has failed us .. ANGH ..
 
2022-08-08 4:24:59 PM  

mediaho: lordjupiter: mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.


Mueller's report specifically stated they were obstructed by several parties and the investigation was hindered as a result.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-russia-sanctions-resolve-mystery-mueller-left-unanswered

[Fark user image 802x433]

And FTFA they used "sophisticated" anti-detection comms to keep their trail clear.

So it's not simply a matter of Mueller not finding a conspiracy.  He DID find collusion between various/likely RU actors like Kilimnik and Guccifer and Assange and people associated with Trump's circle.

BUT...  Bob Barr used legal semantics to give the appearance there was no collusion.  Since there were no OFFICIAL campaign employees acting as couriers between RU and Trump, and because the RU side was also using middle men, Barr could find the words he needed to twist the report results.

Also the redactions of Assange and Stone interaction due to Stone's ongoing investigation/trial made it so the report lost a lot of its weight.  They had a month or more to establish the narrative and do damage control before any of the real info started coming out...some of it took years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-new-intel-manafort-friend-kilimnik-gave-trump-n1264371

tl'dr: don't blame Mueller for what Barr did and for the obstruction among Trump's people

Yea, he documented at least 10 instances of criminal obstruction that he also choose not to prosecute because... some farking memo.


Bc he wasn't allowed to indict a sitting president by the person running the DOJ.

Not to say trump shouldn't currently be under that ten count indictment but garland hasn't exactly played the way people wanted or expected
 
2022-08-08 4:25:24 PM  
nO cOlLuSiOn!
 
2022-08-08 4:28:30 PM  

Naido: ArkPanda: Dusk-You-n-Me: Paul Manafort, the chairman of former president Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, has admitted sharing confidential campaign polling data with a suspected Russian intelligence officer at the same time Moscow was interfering in the 2016 election on Mr Trump's behalf.

Seems awfully collud-y.

But you see, there's no crime specifically called "collusion" so he's completely innocent. Just ignore all the other stuff.

with a suspected Russian intelligence officer

Nobody investigated that guy to find out for sure?  Two years of investigation?

Mueller did, actually, but it's harder to move clicks when you include that info

This is a giant nothing-burger.  Maddow called Gates "Mueller's star cooperating witness."  Gates said of the polling data:

"Top-line data, and I want people to understand what that means," he says. "It was like, 'Ohio, Clinton 48, Trump 50,' Or, 'Wisconsin, Trump 50, Clinton 42.' The sources were a combination of things like RealClear Politicsand occasionally some numbers from [Republican pollster] Tony Fabrizio. But it was all just top-line stuff."

No one ever bothered to walk back the pieces of this that were just pedestrian noise, there's no incentive to do so.  Everyone went over the cliff together, everyone stopped investigating together.

/if Kilimnik is a spy, the crack, Pulitzer winning NY Times team should chase that down
//the only government entity that Mueller could tie him to was our State Department
///none of the people who still use his name like it's meaningful will chase that enormous story, for some reason.

And for the idiots: this isn't pro-Trump.  Throwing an institutional haymaker at someone and missing badly actually helps the person you tried to punch.


Holy farking shiat did you fall and land on your head?
 
2022-08-08 4:37:50 PM  
The 2016 election was fraudulent.
 
2022-08-08 4:40:38 PM  

mediaho: lordjupiter: mediaho: That coward Mueller claimed he didn't have enough evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy. Lying piece of dog shiat motherfarking trash.


Mueller's report specifically stated they were obstructed by several parties and the investigation was hindered as a result.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-russia-sanctions-resolve-mystery-mueller-left-unanswered

[Fark user image 802x433]

And FTFA they used "sophisticated" anti-detection comms to keep their trail clear.

So it's not simply a matter of Mueller not finding a conspiracy.  He DID find collusion between various/likely RU actors like Kilimnik and Guccifer and Assange and people associated with Trump's circle.

BUT...  Bob Barr used legal semantics to give the appearance there was no collusion.  Since there were no OFFICIAL campaign employees acting as couriers between RU and Trump, and because the RU side was also using middle men, Barr could find the words he needed to twist the report results.

Also the redactions of Assange and Stone interaction due to Stone's ongoing investigation/trial made it so the report lost a lot of its weight.  They had a month or more to establish the narrative and do damage control before any of the real info started coming out...some of it took years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-new-intel-manafort-friend-kilimnik-gave-trump-n1264371

tl'dr: don't blame Mueller for what Barr did and for the obstruction among Trump's people

Yea, he documented at least 10 instances of criminal obstruction that he also choose not to prosecute because... some farking memo.


Gotta love memos that somehow hold the weight of law.
 
2022-08-08 4:44:17 PM  

IRestoreFurniture: NO COLLUSION NO COLLUSION TOTALLY EXONORATED!


DO NOT CONGRATULATE!
 
2022-08-08 4:46:56 PM  

Northern: ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?

Why isn't he in custody right now being processed?
Oh, right.  Garland had some milk and cookies and is down for a nap.


Judy Garland would be a more active Attorney General
 
2022-08-08 4:47:05 PM  

Northern: ox45tallboy: He f*cking admitted it.

Why isn't he on a witness stand somewhere right now?

Why isn't he in custody right now being processed?
Oh, right.  Garland had some milk and cookies and is down for a nap.


Leave Merrick alone! <<sob>>
 
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