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2022-08-08 12:12:17 PM  
Now let's see what happens with the initial DA.
 
2022-08-08 12:26:36 PM  
Isn't this basically just determining where he spends his time?
 
2022-08-08 12:26:37 PM  

BizarreMan: Now let's see what happens with the initial DA.


YES. This whole thing stinks to hell and back.
 
2022-08-08 12:49:23 PM  

BizarreMan: Now let's see what happens with the initial DA.


I think her trial is in October.
 
2022-08-08 1:17:27 PM  
But he's worried about what will happen to himself in prison.

Hmmmmm.
 
2022-08-08 1:18:59 PM  
McMichael fears for his life in a state prison, Copeland said, telling the court he'd received "hundreds" of threats. Forcing him to serve the time in a Georgia state prison would essentially amount to a "backdoor death penalty" that could leave McMichael vulnerable to "vigilante justice," she argued, acknowledging the "rich irony."

Gosh, that's a shame.
 
2022-08-08 1:19:05 PM  
Republican hero loses.
 
2022-08-08 1:20:43 PM  
Good.

fark this guy and the other shiathead that murdered him.

Bury them under the goddamn prison.

/Pasty white guy.
 
2022-08-08 1:20:50 PM  

Sword and Shield: Isn't this basically just determining where he spends his time?


Yes and no, It is also a "backstop" in case his appeal in the state matter overturns his conviction or vice versa.
 
2022-08-08 1:22:13 PM  

Pocket Ninja: McMichael fears for his life in a state prison, Copeland said, telling the court he'd received "hundreds" of threats. Forcing him to serve the time in a Georgia state prison would essentially amount to a "backdoor death penalty" that could leave McMichael vulnerable to "vigilante justice," she argued, acknowledging the "rich irony."

Gosh, that's a shame.


That's really quite sad.
 
2022-08-08 1:25:59 PM  

Pocket Ninja: McMichael fears for his life in a state prison, Copeland said, telling the court he'd received "hundreds" of threats. Forcing him to serve the time in a Georgia state prison would essentially amount to a "backdoor death penalty" that could leave McMichael vulnerable to "vigilante justice," she argued, acknowledging the "rich irony."

Gosh, that's a shame.


He should get the same consideration that Mr. Arbery did. Which is none.
 
2022-08-08 1:27:05 PM  

Sword and Shield: Isn't this basically just determining where he spends his time?


FYI:  If you've got to choose between being a guest of the state or federal government, you almost always want to pick federal.  Despite what you may have heard about it being Federal 'Pound-Me-In-the-Ass' Prison, federal prisons tend to be better funded and better regulated.  That means better food, better facilities, and a lower likelihood of sadistic or corrupt guards.  That's not to pretend it's good.  Just better.
 
2022-08-08 1:28:37 PM  
This is what happens when you try to take the law into your own hands.  J6 Committee please take note.
 
2022-08-08 1:29:07 PM  

squidloe: Pocket Ninja: McMichael fears for his life in a state prison, Copeland said, telling the court he'd received "hundreds" of threats. Forcing him to serve the time in a Georgia state prison would essentially amount to a "backdoor death penalty" that could leave McMichael vulnerable to "vigilante justice," she argued, acknowledging the "rich irony."

Gosh, that's a shame.

He should get the same consideration that Mr. Arbery did. Which is none.


You're in the wrong cellblock, man
"This is where they put me!"
You're in the wrong cellblock, man.  Why are you in the wrong cell block, man? Don't you know this isn't where you belong?
 
2022-08-08 1:29:53 PM  
It's a good thing he didn't briefly trespass in a construction site, otherwise he might have faced real consequences.
 
2022-08-08 1:31:26 PM  
What does the "plus 10 years" really mean, they leave his corpse in the cell for ten years after he dies?  Will suck to be his cellmate.
 
2022-08-08 1:31:37 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: But he's worried about what will happen to himself in prison.

Hmmmmm.


It's lock them up and throw away the key time for these three turds. Hopefully we won't have to hear anything about any of them forever. Except when they die.
 
2022-08-08 1:33:33 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: But he's worried about what will happen to himself in prison.

Hmmmmm.


Hopefully he will spend every last minute of his miserable life terrified.  He should wake up frightened, be fearful all day long, and lie down to sleep in his cold, piss-stained cell even more afraid than the day before. Lather rinse repeat until he the fear is just so overpowering that he has to find a way, any way, to escape from the non-stop dread and fear.
 
2022-08-08 1:35:15 PM  

bighairyguy: What does the "plus 10 years" really mean, they leave his corpse in the cell for ten years after he dies?  Will suck to be his cellmate.


It's a way to remove the possibility of early parole eligibility.
 
2022-08-08 1:42:50 PM  

Pocket Ninja: McMichael fears for his life in a state prison, Copeland said, telling the court he'd received "hundreds" of threats. Forcing him to serve the time in a Georgia state prison would essentially amount to a "backdoor death penalty" that could leave McMichael vulnerable to "vigilante justice," she argued, acknowledging the "rich irony."

Gosh, that's a shame.


"Uhhh...you know, I felt threatened, you know? There's been a lot of break-ins to shank caches lately, so I was just defending my neighborhood. He was running too and that seemed really suspicious."
 
2022-08-08 1:43:31 PM  
Why didn't he just comply?
 
2022-08-08 1:45:29 PM  
Odd how a vigilante is afraid of vigilante justice.
 
2022-08-08 1:46:01 PM  

bighairyguy: What does the "plus 10 years" really mean, they leave his corpse in the cell for ten years after he dies?  Will suck to be his cellmate.


In the federal system you are eligible for Parole after 10 years on a life sentence.  The plus 10 years basically makes that 20 years (I think really 18).  However parole is not guaranteed so even after the 18 years you still have to apply and parole board has to grant.
 
2022-08-08 1:47:14 PM  

Summoner101: Odd how a vigilante is afraid of vigilante justice.


No, it is a sign of personal growth.  He has realized that vigilante justice is wrong and he should not have participated in it.  He pinky swears he will be a good boy and go live on a deserted island somewhere if you just let him go.
 
2022-08-08 1:47:52 PM  

bighairyguy: What does the "plus 10 years" really mean


It means on the off chance that his LWOP parole sentence is commuted to offer parole, and then he comes up for parole and is paroled from the life sentence, he still has 10 years to serve after that unless he is paroled from that separate sentence.

It's just stacking things up to infinity, essentially.
 
2022-08-08 1:48:49 PM  

Obama's Left Nut: In the federal system you are eligible for Parole after 10 years on a life sentence.


There is no parole in the federal system after 1984. Life sentence means life.
 
2022-08-08 1:53:51 PM  
If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.
 
2022-08-08 1:59:10 PM  

Hey Nurse!: If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.


It was the dad himself who released the video. The most embarrassing part about that is knowing that he thought it was something that would HELP his case in the public, I.E., he thought video of his son killing that guy was going to make things OK with the general public.
 
2022-08-08 2:03:19 PM  

Sword and Shield: Isn't this basically just determining where he spends his time?


Sort of. The defense wanted them moved to federal custody based on the new conviction, but the prosecution argued that the first conviction's state custody takes precedence, and the judge agreed.
 
2022-08-08 2:08:05 PM  

Nuuu: Sword and Shield: Isn't this basically just determining where he spends his time?

FYI:  If you've got to choose between being a guest of the state or federal government, you almost always want to pick federal.  Despite what you may have heard about it being Federal 'Pound-Me-In-the-Ass' Prison, federal prisons tend to be better funded and better regulated.  That means better food, better facilities, and a lower likelihood of sadistic or corrupt guards.  That's not to pretend it's good.  Just better.


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2022-08-08 2:08:26 PM  

mrmopar5287: Hey Nurse!: If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.

It was the dad himself who released the video. The most embarrassing part about that is knowing that he thought it was something that would HELP his case in the public, I.E., he thought video of his son killing that guy was going to make things OK with the general public.


I had heard it was the lawyer. Looks like you're right. That's actually even better. He gets to spend life in prison knowing it's his own fault. Yes, it's his fault to begin with, but you know they probably still think to this minute they didn't really do anything wrong.
 
2022-08-08 2:15:20 PM  

BizarreMan: Now let's see what happens with the initial DA.


That would be conspiracy to abort justice and prison time spent with those he sent to the pen
 
2022-08-08 2:31:15 PM  
So does he serve his time in state or federal prison? Hopefully he goes to ADX
 
2022-08-08 2:33:36 PM  

Hey Nurse!: If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.


Well their attorney was stupid but let's start with:

1) The idiot that decided to record the murder.
2) The idiots that didn't delete their recording of them committing MLA murder that they got away with.
3) The idiots that handed the recording of their murder over to their idiot lawyer.

All I can say is society got lucky on this one and 99% of the time something like this happens and someone is smart enough to break the Shain that gave the public the proof..
 
2022-08-08 2:38:35 PM  

BizarreMan: Now let's see what happens with the initial DA.


Came to ask the same thing...

But it isn't just the initial DA.

After they declined to charge anyone the city brought in an outside counsel who also said everything was on the up and up.

The first has been arrested.  She had blocked the police from arresting them...  then interfered with investigation, then recused herself stating that she had a CoI.

Barnhill the second DA brought on who found everything was good and they were doing their jobs as citizens didn't recuse himself until it came to light that he had a relationship with 2 of the shooters and the original DA.

The shiat stinks all the way down.  These DAs need to.be held accountable for their actions too.
 
2022-08-08 2:38:56 PM  

mrmopar5287: Obama's Left Nut: In the federal system you are eligible for Parole after 10 years on a life sentence.

There is no parole in the federal system after 1984. Life sentence means life.


That is what i thought too... however
https://www.justice.gov/uspc/frequently-asked-questions#q2

How does the Commission determine if someone is eligible for Parole?
A criminal offender becomes eligible for parole according to the type of sentence received from the court. The "parole eligibility date" is the earliest time the offender might be paroled. If the Parole Commission decides to grant parole, it will set the date of release, but the date must be on or after the "eligibility" date.
The process begins at sentencing. Unless the court has specified a minimum time for the offender to serve, or has imposed an "indeterminate" type of sentence, parole eligibility occurs upon completion of one-third of the term. If an offender is serving a life sentence or a term or terms of 30 years or more he or she will become eligible for parole after 10 years.
 
2022-08-08 2:41:17 PM  

Sword and Shield: Isn't this basically just determining where he spends his time?


No.

Rules state that whoever sentences first gets the prisoner.

In fact their lawyer filed a motion to get them moved to federal prison as there could be vigilante justice in GA prisons.
 
2022-08-08 2:45:47 PM  

soupafi: So does he serve his time in state or federal prison? Hopefully he goes to ADX


State. He tried to get into Federal and the judge rejected it as he was first convicted for state charges.

As bad as ADX Florence is (and it is bad, the UK had good reason to require the US to not send Assange there before considering extraditing him), it would be far better than most of its state equivalents. Federal guards are almost always better paid, trained, and supervised than their state counterparts and the whole system is better funded with more visibility to abuses.
 
2022-08-08 2:46:59 PM  

vudukungfu: BizarreMan: Now let's see what happens with the initial DA.

That would be conspiracy to abort justice and prison time spent with those he sent to the pen


Have they done anything about the second prosecutor that went out and absolved the murderers of any wrongdoing. The person that was recommended by the first DA and later recused himself due to personal connections with the murderers?
 
2022-08-08 2:53:41 PM  
FTA: Travis McMichael fears for his life in a state prison, Copeland said, telling the court his client had received "hundreds" of threats. Forcing him to serve the time in a Georgia state prison would essentially amount to a "backdoor death penalty" that could leave McMichael vulnerable to "vigilante justice," she argued, acknowledging the "rich irony."

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2022-08-08 2:55:42 PM  

Hey Nurse!: If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.


The funny part is they thought it would exonerate them, then the buddy that filmed it thought he would save his own ass by telling the investigators that the McMichaels were dropping the n word when describing killing Aubery....

And still got arrested and charged.
 
2022-08-08 2:56:28 PM  

Obama's Left Nut: mrmopar5287: Obama's Left Nut: In the federal system you are eligible for Parole after 10 years on a life sentence.

There is no parole in the federal system after 1984. Life sentence means life.

That is what i thought too... however
https://www.justice.gov/uspc/frequently-asked-questions#q2

How does the Commission determine if someone is eligible for Parole?
A criminal offender becomes eligible for parole according to the type of sentence received from the court. The "parole eligibility date" is the earliest time the offender might be paroled. If the Parole Commission decides to grant parole, it will set the date of release, but the date must be on or after the "eligibility" date.
The process begins at sentencing. Unless the court has specified a minimum time for the offender to serve, or has imposed an "indeterminate" type of sentence, parole eligibility occurs upon completion of one-third of the term. If an offender is serving a life sentence or a term or terms of 30 years or more he or she will become eligible for parole after 10 years.


Pretty sure those are the rules for anyone convicted of offenses that occurred prior to November 1, 1987. There are still inmates who are eligible for parole under those old rules.

If you committed your crime on or after November 1, 1987 you aren't eligible.
 
2022-08-08 2:56:55 PM  

Obama's Left Nut: https://www.justice.gov/uspc/frequently-asked-questions#q2


Yeah, that's the parole board that covers people who were convicted when they were still eligible for parole. It's a dwindling number. The parole board is for inmates "grandfathered" in to eligibility for parole.

They also oversee DC inmates who used to have a separate DC parole board, but that was rolled into the federal prison parole board.

Lastly, the federal parole board has jurisdiction over: 1) those convicted of certain military crimes who serve their sentences in federal prison (the Bureau of Prison or BOP), 2) certain international prisoners whose cases are transferred to the federal government by treaty, and, 3) state probationers and parolees who are transferred to federal supervision under the Federal Witness Protection Program.
 
2022-08-08 2:57:39 PM  
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"Prison won't bother me, I was already not getting laid."

*turn the camera off I'm going to cry!"

"rednecks gon' red"
 
2022-08-08 3:00:55 PM  

dywed88: Hey Nurse!: If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.

Well their attorney was stupid but let's start with:

1) The idiot that decided to record the murder.
2) The idiots that didn't delete their recording of them committing MLA murder that they got away with.
3) The idiots that handed the recording of their murder over to their idiot lawyer.

All I can say is society got lucky on this one and 99% of the time something like this happens and someone is smart enough to break the Shain that gave the public the proof..


You should be thanking them for having recorded their involvement in committing a crime and also for having made it public; otherwise, this may have been an unsolved murder with an extremely distraught family.

They're idiots for being bigoted, racist turds.
 
2022-08-08 3:07:49 PM  

Hey Nurse!: mrmopar5287: Hey Nurse!: If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.

It was the dad himself who released the video. The most embarrassing part about that is knowing that he thought it was something that would HELP his case in the public, I.E., he thought video of his son killing that guy was going to make things OK with the general public.

I had heard it was the lawyer. Looks like you're right. That's actually even better. He gets to spend life in prison knowing it's his own fault. Yes, it's his fault to begin with, but you know they probably still think to this minute they didn't really do anything wrong.


Well the lawyer he consulted (and was his friend) set up the handoff and said it would be good idea.

So he may have hand delivered it, but the lawyer set up and facilitated the scheme.
 
2022-08-08 4:31:19 PM  

Pocket Ninja: McMichael fears for his life in a state prison, Copeland said, telling the court he'd received "hundreds" of threats. Forcing him to serve the time in a Georgia state prison would essentially amount to a "backdoor death penalty" that could leave McMichael vulnerable to "vigilante justice," she argued, acknowledging the "rich irony."

Gosh, that's a shame.


And seriously, he thinks he won't be able to find some white supremacists to hang out with? They probably won't even want him for being such a pussy.
 
2022-08-08 5:00:16 PM  
Good news. The other 2 killers were also convicted in federal court again, and the judge denied all 3 of their requests to serve their sentence in federal prison.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/travis-mcmichael-sentenced-life-prison-federal-hate-crimes-killing-ahm-rcna41566

"A judge also required that Travis McMichael, 36, Greg McMichael, 66, and William "Roddie" Bryan, 52, serve their sentences in state prison, not federal prison as had been requested by their attorneys. "
 
2022-08-08 5:30:57 PM  

dkulprit: Coco LaFemme: Prison is not supposed to be 24/7 rapes and beatings. It's supposed to be rehabilitative, and in cases where that's just not possible, it's meant to segregate that person from the rest of society until they die. That's it. It's not the Marquis de Sade's summer cottage.

Unfortunately our justice system has never been set up for that.

That's what it claims to be, but it has never actually been about that.  The problem isnthis version of "justice" is reinforced by our culture.

Which is why we need complete reform of the justice system.


Also, despite what Farkers seem anxious to believe, US prisons just aren't 24/7 rape factories. Inmates have no more desire to rape everything they see than the general populace; and the penalties are more severe when they do.

Spending a year in AdSeg is not worth it.
 
2022-08-08 5:44:36 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: dywed88: Hey Nurse!: If it weren't for their incompetent attorney releasing the video, they'd all be free men right this moment. The good ol' boys had this all wrapped up and swept under the rug.

Well their attorney was stupid but let's start with:

1) The idiot that decided to record the murder.
2) The idiots that didn't delete their recording of them committing MLA murder that they got away with.
3) The idiots that handed the recording of their murder over to their idiot lawyer.

All I can say is society got lucky on this one and 99% of the time something like this happens and someone is smart enough to break the Shain that gave the public the proof..

You should be thanking them for having recorded their involvement in committing a crime and also for having made it public; otherwise, this may have been an unsolved murder with an extremely distraught family.

They're idiots for being bigoted, racist turds.


Hitler doesn't get credit for being the man who killed Hitler.

Also, it wouldn't have gone down as an unsolved murder, it would have gone down as the heroic actions of a few men to defend their community from this criminal who they were forced to shoot when he became violent.

That was the story the second DA went with.
 
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