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(Comic Book Movie)   Thor: Love and Thunder is such a critical and fan disappointment that it has passed Thor: Ragnarok at the domestic box office   (comicbookmovie.com) divider line
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2022-08-08 12:37:41 PM  
Spoiler thread?
 
2022-08-08 12:52:17 PM  
I don'g get the dislike. While not as good as Ragnorak, it was still a lot of fun.
 
2022-08-08 1:05:50 PM  
So is it better than the last Dr. Strange movie?  Because that was really underwhelming.
 
2022-08-08 1:26:04 PM  
It was boring.  I had difficulty staying awake for the first 45 minutes.  No movement of the MCU storyline.  Every GnR song I never needed to hear again, present and accounted for.  Cameos were universally bad.  It tried to be funny and failed at every turn.  The black and white part was cool, but that's it.  It was the second worst MCU move ever.  In Eternals territory.

I nevertheless paid for a ticket only to discover how bad it was.  Like lots of people. Hence the revenue, Subby.
 
2022-08-08 1:31:56 PM  
It was worth seeing once.

I'd watch Captain America again. 
Or Iron Man.
Or Ragnarok.
Or that last Hulk movie.
Or Loki.
Or maybe Ms. Marvel (haven't finished it yet).

But I don't have any great desire to watch Thor 4 again.
 
2022-08-08 1:41:02 PM  

aleister_greynight: So is it better than the last Dr. Strange movie?  Because that was really underwhelming.


Yes. And I agree.

And as has been stated earlier, it's not as good as Ragnarok, but it's a lot of damn fun.
 
2022-08-08 1:48:46 PM  

MoriartyLives: I had difficulty staying awake for the first 45 minutes.


Same here. It was just "meh."

I was glad it was so comparatively short, I left the theater without seeing the end credits scenes. (Though I've been trying to find them online now.)

But I was surprised that Jane [SPOILER] when I thought she would [SPOILER].

I don't know if it was the pandemic or just the underwhelming feeling of the newest MCU phase, but I feel like I'm over the MCU.

After Endgame, Far from Home, and Black Widow, I feel like all the stories that I care about have been told. I didn't see the newest Dr. Strange. I didn't see Eternals. I didn't see Shang-Chi. And I could not get Disney + in Israel for the TV shows.
 
2022-08-08 1:50:18 PM  
And all they had to do was waste and ruin two epic story arcs to accomplish it.

To be fair though those stories would have to been done as a series to do them justice.
 
2022-08-08 1:55:05 PM  
It's was just bad. I had to apologize to the Bafflerette. Just objectively bad in multiple ways.  Community theater bad.
 
2022-08-08 1:57:22 PM  
Ragnarok was a very high bar and unfortunately L&T just felt like they were trying way too hard. Nothing really landed. My expectations were too high.
 
2022-08-08 1:58:12 PM  

bostonguy: MoriartyLives: I had difficulty staying awake for the first 45 minutes.

Same here. It was just "meh."

I was glad it was so comparatively short, I left the theater without seeing the end credits scenes. (Though I've been trying to find them online now.)

But I was surprised that Jane [SPOILER] when I thought she would [SPOILER].

I don't know if it was the pandemic or just the underwhelming feeling of the newest MCU phase, but I feel like I'm over the MCU.

After Endgame, Far from Home, and Black Widow, I feel like all the stories that I care about have been told. I didn't see the newest Dr. Strange. I didn't see Eternals. I didn't see Shang-Chi. And I could not get Disney + in Israel for the TV shows.


For what it's worth, I really enjoyed Shang Chi. I was very surprised.
 
2022-08-08 1:59:03 PM  

BafflerMeal: It's was just bad. I had to apologize to the Bafflerette. Just objectively bad in multiple ways.  Community theater bad.


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2022-08-08 2:01:48 PM  
You know the end credits scene when [SPOILER] meets [SPOILER] in the afterlife ...

Is original Loki there?  The Loki that Thanos killed?

Why or why not?
 
2022-08-08 2:02:12 PM  

bostonguy: I don't know if it was the pandemic or just the underwhelming feeling of the newest MCU phase, but I feel like I'm over the MCU.

After Endgame, Far from Home, and Black Widow, I feel like all the stories that I care about have been told. I didn't see the newest Dr. Strange. I didn't see Eternals. I didn't see Shang-Chi. And I could not get Disney + in Israel for the TV shows.


"I haven't actually watched the vast majority of phase 4 but I find it very underwhelming "
 
2022-08-08 2:05:08 PM  

bostonguy: MoriartyLives: I had difficulty staying awake for the first 45 minutes.

Same here. It was just "meh."

I was glad it was so comparatively short, I left the theater without seeing the end credits scenes. (Though I've been trying to find them online now.)

But I was surprised that Jane [SPOILER] when I thought she would [SPOILER].

I don't know if it was the pandemic or just the underwhelming feeling of the newest MCU phase, but I feel like I'm over the MCU.

After Endgame, Far from Home, and Black Widow, I feel like all the stories that I care about have been told. I didn't see the newest Dr. Strange. I didn't see Eternals. I didn't see Shang-Chi. And I could not get Disney + in Israel for the TV shows.


So you've failed to be entertained by the things you haven't watched. Such an insightful opinion.
 
2022-08-08 2:05:15 PM  
Well, when it hits streaming I'll be able to find out for myself whether or not it's good. No announcement yet, but the best guess online is August 25th.

I'm guessing it's going to be entertaining, even if it didn't live up to some folks' expectations. I'm pretty burned out on the MCU though, so Love and Thunder is probably the last MCU thing I'll be partaking in for a while. I'm thinking I'll take a break until next year, though I might watch the GotG Holiday Special.
 
2022-08-08 2:06:04 PM  
Thor: Love and Thunder made me cry in the theater. I always enjoy my favorite Marvel characters with popcorn and a soda. The blend of fast paced action and light hearted romance was perfect. The after credits scene left me excited to see more.
 
2022-08-08 2:07:45 PM  
Yes subby, you've proven that box office success doesn't necessarily equate to critical/fan enjoyment.
 
2022-08-08 2:10:49 PM  
Christian Bale was the best part, and they cut a LOT of his scenes out because they were deemed "too scary".

If they do a director's cut with all his scenes put back in, I would like to see that.
 
2022-08-08 2:12:42 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: So you've failed to be entertained by the things you haven't watched. Such an insightful opinion.


I think the point is that the prior works have not inspired future viewing. e.g. Star Wars: Solo
 
2022-08-08 2:12:54 PM  

skyotter: You know the end credits scene when [SPOILER] meets [SPOILER] in the afterlife ...

Is original Loki there?  The Loki that Thanos killed?

Why or why not?


Theoretically, he died defying Thanos, so he should be there.

But is that who [SPOILER] really wants as the first person he/she/they see in the afterlife?
 
2022-08-08 2:12:57 PM  
I wonder if the latest phase of MCU movies would be received better if Marvel stopped pushing them as a "phase". There's a lot of disappointment in the lack of clear hints and foreshadowing of who or what the next Big Bad is going to be, but if we weren't expecting to see them, we'd just enjoy the movies as one-offs and there wouldn't be the same feeling of aimlessness and disappointment with these latest movies.

And I think Doctor Strange 2 suffered from it most of all. As the big "Multiverse is right in the title!" movie, there was a ton of expectation that Kang or the Villain Formerly Known As Shuma-Gorath or Insert Mega Boss Villain Here would make a big flashy appearance that would announce their rising importance to every story moving forward. When the big antagonist just turned out to be Wanda, a character most of us didn't want to see going full villain in the first place, it let all the air out of the story. But if we hadn't been primed to see something more portentious (and it really is Marvel's fault for locking those expectations in place and then making little attempt to satisfy them), we might have just taken the film for what it was and enjoyed it more.
 
2022-08-08 2:15:47 PM  

MoriartyLives: It was boring.  I had difficulty staying awake for the first 45 minutes.  No movement of the MCU storyline.  Every GnR song I never needed to hear again, present and accounted for.  Cameos were universally bad.  It tried to be funny and failed at every turn.  The black and white part was cool, but that's it.  It was the second worst MCU move ever.  In Eternals territory.

I nevertheless paid for a ticket only to discover how bad it was.  Like lots of people. Hence the revenue, Subby.


Good to know we can summarily dismiss your opinion on the movie. Even if you consider it a bad movie, it was still better than at least half the current MCU stock.
 
2022-08-08 2:22:21 PM  
This thread is just filled with Basic Bettys
 
2022-08-08 2:24:36 PM  
Ragnarok probably underperformed at the box office because of how dull Thor 1 and (especially) Thor 2 were. It swung so far the other direction that it lost a handful of older fans but gained a massive amount of new ones.

Thor 3 was essentially the first movie in a new action-comedy franchise (but with a few heavily-developed characters). Thor 4 was going to suffer the same fate as any action-comedy sequel - from the same-setting Guardians 2 going back all the way to say, Ghostbusters 2 (I won't use Airplane since that was a different production team).

Action-comedy films are REALLY tough to turn into franchises with repeated success. The sequels can continue to build, but will never be able to break as much new ground.
 
2022-08-08 2:26:49 PM  

Fano: This thread is just filled with Basic Bettys


Oh, yeah! Well, you are a Vernaculous Veronica.
 
2022-08-08 2:28:18 PM  

gunga galunga: I don'g get the dislike. While not as good as Ragnorak, it was still a lot of fun.


Yeah, it was alright. They kind of wasted some opportunities (like GotG gone so quick after it being a deal he was off journeying with them at the end of Endgame). It had some humor, a couple of feels, and I don't mind having seen it in the theater. Fun, but not meaty, like popcorn not steak.
 
2022-08-08 2:30:28 PM  
Of course it did well at the box office. We're living in the Age of Idiocracy.

And the #1 movie in the country was called "Ass." And that's all it was for 90 minutes. It won eight Oscars that year, including best screenplay.
 
2022-08-08 2:40:31 PM  
After multiverse of madness I think I am just kinda burned out on the super hero genre. None of the upcoming film announcements have me even a little bit intrigued. All of the phase 4 films beside Shang Chi have just been bad.
 
2022-08-08 2:47:15 PM  

palelizard: gunga galunga: I don'g get the dislike. While not as good as Ragnorak, it was still a lot of fun.

Yeah, it was alright. They kind of wasted some opportunities (like GotG gone so quick after it being a deal he was off journeying with them at the end of Endgame). It had some humor, a couple of feels, and I don't mind having seen it in the theater. Fun, but not meaty, like popcorn not steak.


There was a LOT more footage shot, but Taika himself said that no one wants to see a 4 hour movie, and no there won't be a "directors cut" release because those things are almost always shiat.
 
2022-08-08 3:02:28 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Yes subby, you've proven that box office success doesn't necessarily equate to critical/fan enjoyment.


This. The Transformers  and the Fast movies come to mind.
 
2022-08-08 3:05:39 PM  

covfefe: Thor: Love and Thunder made me cry in the theater. I always enjoy my favorite Marvel characters with popcorn and a soda. The blend of fast paced action and light hearted romance was perfect. The after credits scene left me excited to see more.


You know damn well no one really dies in comic book movies or  shows
 
2022-08-08 3:10:50 PM  
It should have been grimdark.  GRIMDARK.
 
2022-08-08 3:15:02 PM  
I enjoyed it, both the ridiculous humor and the more dramatic beats.
 
2022-08-08 3:19:43 PM  

EdgeRunner: When the big antagonist just turned out to be Wanda, a character most of us didn't want to see going full villain in the first place, it let all the air out of the story. But if we hadn't been primed to see something more portentious (and it really is Marvel's fault for locking those expectations in place and then making little attempt to satisfy them), we might have just taken the film for what it was and enjoyed it more.


I disagree on a lot here. Wanda being the baddie was hinted to, not only via WandaVision and its post-credits scene, but also in the previews when she's giving her "that's not fair" speech. 

As for not wanting to see her go villain? Well, yes and no... I don't think people were ready for her turn just yet to supervillain, but she was already a "full" villain when things started and then a villain in her own show. I think the problem is the movie doesn't do anything to set up her turn for those who aren't keeping up with the Disney + titles. Last we saw of her in the movies she was still a good guy, and so it was whiplash for the (filthy) casuals who aren't keeping up with everything. 

Expecting something "more portentious" is an issue on the audience's side of things. When they teased us in WV with Ralphie B., and when Mephisto didn't make any appearance there or in Loki, they basically told us to calm out tits with the speculation and expectations. 

So, in other words, the problem, at least as I see it, seems to be a portion of the fanbase is cranky about the MCU putting out what it wants to and not what the cranky fanbase has convinced themselves they should be putting out.
 
2022-08-08 3:22:50 PM  
Thor has still sold fewer tickets than its predecessor at this point. Inflation, how does it work?
 
2022-08-08 3:23:08 PM  
A waste of what could have been a good story for Jane Foster Thor, and an absolute waste of the God Butcher storyline that managed to not matter at all in it's own movie.  Even the characters involved barely actually cared and just kept going because it was in the script to eventually confront Gorr. Taika took his already insufferable version of Thor and cranked the dumbass to eleven as if to spite people that didn't like it, wedged in a weapon-based love triangle that manages to not matter and mostly be ignored by the ending, gave half a justification for it that could have almost been interesting then doesn't have Thor bother to deal with the fact that oh yeah, he told the hammer to protect her (and thereby undercutting Jane Foster's character as Worthy entirely both by it's inclusion and by not dealing with it).

This entire movie plays out like it was written not by Taika Waititi but by his insufferable douchebag code-bro character from Free Guy.
 
2022-08-08 3:28:44 PM  

palelizard: gunga galunga: I don'g get the dislike. While not as good as Ragnorak, it was still a lot of fun.

Yeah, it was alright. They kind of wasted some opportunities (like GotG gone so quick after it being a deal he was off journeying with them at the end of Endgame). It had some humor, a couple of feels, and I don't mind having seen it in the theater. Fun, but not meaty, like popcorn not steak.


People seem to be doing a lot of complaining about Thor leaving the GotG so quickly, but honestly... Even in Endgame he didn't "fit in" with the Guardians crew. From the get-go he was horning in on the team and trying to supplant Quill as leader (for some reason, which seems to amount to 'lol Thor Dumb') and so it's a schtick that was going to get old very fast. 

Did you really want a 2 hour movie of Thor and Quill running around arguing over who's in charge and whose ship it is and who gets the credit for whatever while the bad guy sits there looking about as confused as Ronan at Quill's spontaneous dancing?

Be honest with yourself. Because that's pretty much exactly what that movie was going to look like.
 
2022-08-08 3:32:16 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: So, in other words, the problem, at least as I see it, seems to be a portion of the fanbase is cranky about the MCU putting out what it wants to and not what the cranky fanbase has convinced themselves they should be putting out.


That's the thing, though. Marvel is trying to play it both ways, and it isn't working in their favor. Announcing which films belong to a specific "phase" absolutely suggests they're crafting a bigger plan, just as they've done with all the previous phases. And having a recurrent theme of the multiverse further plays into that suggestion. It's not the fault of the fans that they're confused by how loosely all the films are tying together at the moment, and by the lack of a definite identification yet of who the on-the-horizon Big Bad should be. Having an interconnected long-game cinematic universe has been Marvel's greatest and most successful gimmick, and one which dozens of other franchises (even Star Wars) have been desperately trying to replicate. If Marvel wants to take a break from big picture plotting and just make standalone movies for awhile, it's on them to make that much more plain to their fans. Like I said, THEY set these expectations and they continue to fuel them. This isn't a case of fans making theories all on their own. This is the audience not getting what they were promised.
 
2022-08-08 3:34:20 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: covfefe: Thor: Love and Thunder made me cry in the theater. I always enjoy my favorite Marvel characters with popcorn and a soda. The blend of fast paced action and light hearted romance was perfect. The after credits scene left me excited to see more.

You know damn well no one really dies in comic book movies or  shows


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/Uncle Ben is so dead, they're not even bringing him back to kill him anymore. They've moved on to killing Aunt Mays!
 
2022-08-08 3:35:58 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: Did you really want a 2 hour movie of Thor and Quill running around arguing over who's in charge and whose ship it is and who gets the credit for whatever while the bad guy sits there looking about as confused as Ronan at Quill's spontaneous dancing?

Be honest with yourself. Because that's pretty much exactly what that movie was going to look like.


Yeah, that would be fairly dumb, and while it's clear that's how they would write it, I'm not sure Thor would be a disrespectful guest (a big deal in Norse myths and as part of his "still worthy" character growth in the MCU). And yeah, he didn't fit in (especially in power level, that opening fight was never close). Could have been good for a few more gags, but yeah, ultimately shouldn't be a huge beef.
 
2022-08-08 3:43:15 PM  
I really enjoyed Love and Thunder.  I thought it was marvelous.

I think my experience was improved comparative to some other viewers due to the nature of expectations- there were two important things I knew about the movie going in.

First, I knew that, like Ragnarok, Love and Thunder is an adventure comedy, not a grimdark broodfest like we saw from Thor in Infinity War / Endgame.

Taika out front shoulda told you.

Second, I knew ahead of time that it was a Thor movie, not an AsGuardians of the Galaxy movie, and that the Guardians weren't going to be part of the story after the opening sequence.

It seems like a lot of viewers were disappointed there wasn't more Guardians content, but personally, I much prefer it this way - I'd rather see the Guardians back under Gunn's wing rather than under Taika's - Taika just has a different sensibility and sense of humor.

I don't know what cameos people are complaining about.  Is it the returning minor character Asgardian actors who continued to be portrayed by the performers who played them in Ragnarok?

Was it Melissa McCarthy?  (I mean, I can't stand her, but it's not like her presence on screen for 45 seconds ruined the movie for me)

Was there something else I didn't even notice to be disappointed by?
 
2022-08-08 3:48:17 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: A waste of what could have been a good story for Jane Foster Thor, and an absolute waste of the God Butcher storyline that managed to not matter at all in it's own movie.  Even the characters involved barely actually cared and just kept going because it was in the script to eventually confront Gorr. Taika took his already insufferable version of Thor and cranked the dumbass to eleven as if to spite people that didn't like it, wedged in a weapon-based love triangle that manages to not matter and mostly be ignored by the ending, gave half a justification for it that could have almost been interesting then doesn't have Thor bother to deal with the fact that oh yeah, he told the hammer to protect her (and thereby undercutting Jane Foster's character as Worthy entirely both by it's inclusion and by not dealing with it).

This entire movie plays out like it was written not by Taika Waititi but by his insufferable douchebag code-bro character from Free Guy.


Okay, so while I agree this version of Thor is problematic and Gorr was underutilized, there's a few things I want to address. 

1) Jane. Her story follows in line with the comics and is a natural byproduct of her exposure to things that would normally kill people. Did you forget she housed the reality stone in her and it was killing her? 
2) Why shouldn't the characters involved care a bunch of kids were kidnapped? Are you seriously suggesting that it's unbelievable any of those involved would have any sort of interest in rescuing the kids? 
3) The weapon love triangle thing was silly, but also you have to remember that the movie is a story told and narrated by Korg. Who is weird. 
4) Suggesting that Thor's protection enchantment negates the worthiness enchantment is fallacious. The notion that they're not mutually compatible is fallacious. You're also, again, forgetting that this story, especially this part of the story within the movie, is told from the perspective of Korg, which means that the enchantment we see may not actually even exist and was just speculation based on how he understood events. 

I'm sorry you weren't able to enjoy it.
 
2022-08-08 3:49:38 PM  
Saw it. Enjoyed it. Hope to see it again this weekend.
 
2022-08-08 3:50:14 PM  

EdgeRunner: drjekel_mrhyde: covfefe: Thor: Love and Thunder made me cry in the theater. I always enjoy my favorite Marvel characters with popcorn and a soda. The blend of fast paced action and light hearted romance was perfect. The after credits scene left me excited to see more.

You know damn well no one really dies in comic book movies or  shows

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/Uncle Ben is so dead, they're not even bringing him back to kill him anymore. They've moved on to killing Aunt Mays!


He's so dead his car was last seen pirouetting through space in a collapsing universe as an act of mourning.
 
2022-08-08 3:51:42 PM  

palelizard: Cthulhu Theory: Did you really want a 2 hour movie of Thor and Quill running around arguing over who's in charge and whose ship it is and who gets the credit for whatever while the bad guy sits there looking about as confused as Ronan at Quill's spontaneous dancing?

Be honest with yourself. Because that's pretty much exactly what that movie was going to look like.

Yeah, that would be fairly dumb, and while it's clear that's how they would write it, I'm not sure Thor would be a disrespectful guest (a big deal in Norse myths and as part of his "still worthy" character growth in the MCU). And yeah, he didn't fit in (especially in power level, that opening fight was never close). Could have been good for a few more gags, but yeah, ultimately shouldn't be a huge beef.


Sure... except you already see him being a "disrespectful guest" in Endgame, and he's very, very different from his Norse counterpart. 

It's clear they've decided the more stoic and warrior minded version from Thor 1 and 2 wasn't working, so they've silently retconned him into a dude-bro douche/meathead in the movies, and doubled down in What If...? by having him be nothing more than a crybaby frat boy with mommy issues. 

We're not getting a serious Thor again. Probably ever.
 
2022-08-08 3:52:50 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: 4) Suggesting that Thor's protection enchantment negates the worthiness enchantment is fallacious


Indeed.  Mjolnir could have protected her, in accordance with Thor's directive / enchantment, without being wielded by her.  She still had to be worthy as per Odin's enchantment for that to happen.
 
2022-08-08 3:55:47 PM  
The movie was fun, funny and full of heart. I liked it better than Strange 2, and I had high expectations for both.
 
2022-08-08 3:57:11 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: We're not getting a serious Thor again. Probably ever.


Never say never, but I agree we'll never get a serious Thor so long as Hemsworth has the part. The douchebro meathead approach isn't the only successful way to play the character, but it's the most successful way for him to play it.
 
2022-08-08 4:04:19 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: covfefe: Thor: Love and Thunder made me cry in the theater. I always enjoy my favorite Marvel characters with popcorn and a soda. The blend of fast paced action and light hearted romance was perfect. The after credits scene left me excited to see more.

You know damn well no one really dies in comic book movies or  shows



I don't even think Iron Man died.

He had a magic rock that could do anything, and the movie made a big deal about how he wanted nothing more than to retire.  He also had a giant ego.  So, the natural thing to do would be to use the magic rock to make a wish to vaporize the bad guys, make a little illusion or clone/golem of him dying, and zap himself and his girl off to his private tropical retirement island while the rest of the world puts up memorials to his heroism and sacrifice.

I mean, that's what I'd do, and it took me about five seconds to think up the plan.

Or he uploaded his consciousness into the Matrix like he did in the comic books.  Either way, he's coming back as soon as it's profitable.
 
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