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(CNN)   Colonial Williamsburg, VA, is dedicated to preserving the history and telling the story of some of the earliest American settlers. Unless those people happened to be Black, of course, in which case they literally paved it over. For a parking lot   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-08-08 9:49:32 AM  
If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.
 
2022-08-08 9:57:05 AM  
I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.
 
2022-08-08 10:24:36 AM  
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2022-08-08 10:28:15 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.


It exists mostly because of the college.

Plus it looks like nobody RTFA.  The parking lot was done in the '50s.
 
2022-08-08 10:29:06 AM  
Slightly misleading headline should at least say it happened in 1956, and not recently. It doesn't make it ok, but context is important.
 
2022-08-08 10:29:22 AM  
How in the hell would they think there weren't bodies buried there? It's a colonial era church that had been in use for 170 years at the time.
 
2022-08-08 10:29:51 AM  
CSB: I once randomly visited because I was in the area and I had a day to kill. I watched a demonstration of the printer with his press. A woman asked, "So is all this done by hand?" he responded, "Yes, because I don't have any other body parts with quite enough dexterity."  I burst out laughing. No one else did.
 
2022-08-08 10:30:44 AM  
Big surprise that mid-50's Virginia would decide to wipe away black history so that white people could park their cars closer to white history.

/ not a big surprise
// sad it took this long to even revisit and start to uncover the true past
 
2022-08-08 10:31:27 AM  

Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.


Well, according to TFA, it was totally intentional, but it was in 1956, so the effect of social media on the ones who did it will be negligible. Otoh, the parking lot was already itself ripped out in 2020 and archaeological investigations have been moving right along, so I guess they chose History.
 
2022-08-08 10:32:35 AM  
So, Colonialist Williamsburg, amirite?
But yeah, paved over in 1956, being restored today. God forbid anyone should grow up and decide that near-70-year-old racist crap was evil and should be reversed.
 
2022-08-08 10:32:58 AM  
But don't you dare call them racist!
 
2022-08-08 10:33:09 AM  
That song is irritating enough to actually make me think it's FOR paving over paradise and putting up a parking lot!
 
2022-08-08 10:33:22 AM  

austerity101: CSB: I once randomly visited because I was in the area and I had a day to kill. I watched a demonstration of the printer with his press. A woman asked, "So is all this done by hand?" he responded, "Yes, because I don't have any other body parts with quite enough dexterity."  I burst out laughing. No one else did.


I was there about 10 years ago for the first time. Went to take the kids to the big amusement parks in the area and stayed at a golf-course resort sandwiched in-between Williamsburg and the parks. Nice visit, won't do it again. I did manage to have an authentic Ginger Ale in one of the places in Williamsburg. I remember it was pretty good.
 
2022-08-08 10:35:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.

Well, according to TFA, it was totally intentional, but it was in 1956, so the effect of social media on the ones who did it will be negligible. Otoh, the parking lot was already itself ripped out in 2020 and archaeological investigations have been moving right along, so I guess they chose History.


In that case, it sounds like they've tried to right the wrong at  least. Nice to see history win

And fair enough on modernity, Ninja. Admittedly most of  my memory is of the tourist infrastructure about 20 years ago - it's been a bit.
 
2022-08-08 10:37:11 AM  
Typical...  Make something out of nothing.   Times were MUCH  different  in the 50's, with regard to black people than they are today.   Not saying what they did was right, but it has been corrected.
 
2022-08-08 10:38:45 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.



City founded in 1632 only exists because of Busch Gardens? Man wtf trauma happened to you in the former capital of Virginia, to cause such a reaction to its mere mention?
 
2022-08-08 10:40:22 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.


What's wrong with Busch Gardens? It used to be a really fun park.
 
2022-08-08 10:41:14 AM  
This was an unfortunate event in American history, And our Government has been wicked to African Americans in Early history as well during slavery through the 1960's. However is CNN's goal here to make Americans feel guilty again for things current generations had nothing to do with? OR rather Is CNN just churning out trivia for the sake of doing it? The world may never know.
 
2022-08-08 10:41:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.

Well, according to TFA, it was totally intentional, but it was in 1956, so the effect of social media on the ones who did it will be negligible. Otoh, the parking lot was already itself ripped out in 2020 and archaeological investigations have been moving right along, so I guess they chose History.


Yup, this is a case where today's Colonial Williamsburg is doing the right thing, correcting (as well as it can be) the asshole decisions of the past.  Good for them.
 
2022-08-08 10:45:17 AM  

Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.


Europe gets a lot of passes on this because, well, small space, same "race", any disputes are settled out of sight.

America is (despite the genocide of natives. We all put blinders on THAT, don't we?) much newer. Any erasure is much more deliberate. Whitey McWhiterson is the only history that matters.
 
2022-08-08 10:48:43 AM  
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2022-08-08 10:50:33 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.

Europe gets a lot of passes on this because, well, small space, same "race", any disputes are settled out of sight.

America is (despite the genocide of natives. We all put blinders on THAT, don't we?) much newer. Any erasure is much more deliberate. Whitey McWhiterson is the only history that matters.


Didn't they pave over a damn King of England? The hunchback one I think.
 
2022-08-08 10:56:54 AM  
Who runs Bartertown? CW Foundation runs Bartertown.

Back when I was there, the CW Foundation was essentially the de facto city government, which tightly controlled what went where and when. It wasn't a bad place to live, though it did present a very sanitized view of colonial life. Someone said it earlier: Williamsburg only exists because of the College. It was only after it was established in 1693 that the colonial government was located there. When the capital was moved to Richmond in the 1770s, the town became a backwater, sleepy little town. Back in the 1930s when the Rockefeller Foundation took control over the central part, a whole lot of the local populace were relocated out of what would become the colonial part.

I am not in the least bit surprised that a parking lot was built over that site in the 1950s. To their credit, the CW Foundation have been trying to find these sites and restore them when possible, at least since the 1990s. While in school, I participated in a couple of digs in the area, namely a mid 17th century plantation site out on Jamestown Road, plus an 18th century industrial site near where the CW Foundation headquarters is located. There's still a lot of work they have to do, but they do appear to be trying to shake the reputation as Republican Disneyland.

\W&M grad - class of '95
\\Yes, I'm old
 
2022-08-08 11:00:07 AM  

Subtonic: AppleOptionEsc: Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.

Europe gets a lot of passes on this because, well, small space, same "race", any disputes are settled out of sight.

America is (despite the genocide of natives. We all put blinders on THAT, don't we?) much newer. Any erasure is much more deliberate. Whitey McWhiterson is the only history that matters.

Didn't they pave over a damn King of England? The hunchback one I think.


They had a parkinglot halfway done because they had zero clue where Charlemagne was. But, again, white dude in a white country. Random historical bones that no-one cares about. Because we already have a history here (there).
 
2022-08-08 11:06:13 AM  
I only skimmed the article, but did it go into any detail on how they got the parking lot removed so they could start archeological research?
I feel that would be more useful than some of the click bait dredge I was slogging through. I guarantee there are plenty of other sites like this that need the same treatment.
 
2022-08-08 11:06:42 AM  
At least the pavement is black, mr glass half empty subby.
 
2022-08-08 11:06:58 AM  
I knew it was a tourist trap and not worth visiting. I didn't know that.

Now I know that.

Virginia never seems to disappoint when it comes to being disappointing.
 
2022-08-08 11:07:24 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Pocket Ninja: I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.

What's wrong with Busch Gardens? It used to be a really fun park.


Haven't been in a few years, but it was still pretty fun then.  Great collection of coasters, good theming, surprisingly good food...damn, now I want to head back up there.  I think they've added three coasters since I was last there.
 
2022-08-08 11:08:32 AM  

Valter: Virginia never seems to disappoint when it comes to being disappointing.


To be really disappointed, may I suggest a week long stay in Northern VA?

it's very disappointing.

/ex resident
 
2022-08-08 11:09:06 AM  

steklo: Valter: Virginia never seems to disappoint when it comes to being disappointing.

To be really disappointed, may I suggest a week long stay in Northern VA?

it's very disappointing.

/ex resident


I live there.

I know.
 
2022-08-08 11:10:44 AM  

Valter: I live there.

I know.


2000-2004   Herndon.

I think that's all I have to say.
 
2022-08-08 11:12:59 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.

Well, according to TFA, it was totally intentional, but it was in 1956, so the effect of social media on the ones who did it will be negligible. Otoh, the parking lot was already itself ripped out in 2020 and archaeological investigations have been moving right along, so I guess they chose History.


And then there's the part about how the church was sold.  The congregation built a new church with the money they got from selling their old church.  This wasn't some land grab by evil racists, it was a real estate deal.  But hey, you have to play up that race angle to get clicks.
 
2022-08-08 11:13:20 AM  

Mulchpuppy: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Pocket Ninja: I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.

What's wrong with Busch Gardens? It used to be a really fun park.

Haven't been in a few years, but it was still pretty fun then.  Great collection of coasters, good theming, surprisingly good food...damn, now I want to head back up there.  I think they've added three coasters since I was last there.


Yeah, it's definitely a good park.  I lived in Williamsburg for grad school a while back, and Busch Gardens was a semi-regular trip for some of us.  Fun Halloween events there, too.
 
2022-08-08 11:13:35 AM  
There you go again, trying to teach my children CRT.
 
2022-08-08 11:15:12 AM  

Wulfman: Pocket Ninja: I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.


City founded in 1632 only exists because of Busch Gardens? Man wtf trauma happened to you in the former capital of Virginia, to cause such a reaction to its mere mention?


I remember riding The Big Bad Wolf when it was new.
 
2022-08-08 11:15:14 AM  

Valter: I knew it was a tourist trap and not worth visiting. I didn't know that.

Now I know that.

Virginia never seems to disappoint when it comes to being disappointing.


https://www.dinosaurkingdomii.com/gallery

Would you like to see Yankees being killed by dinosaurs led by a cyborg Stonewall Jackson?
 
2022-08-08 11:15:39 AM  

steklo: Valter: I live there.

I know.

2000-2004   Herndon.

I think that's all I have to say.


1995-2000 Prince William County
2000-2004 Richmond (ew ew ew never ever going back there)
2004-2008 Fauquier County (does that count as northern VA? also never want to go back there)
2008-now Fairfax County

I may have oversold it. It's not BAD here it's just not particularly good. Like a life of eternal boredom punctuated by sudden happenings. Like anywhere I guess.

/we sure like naming places after British Royalty tho
 
2022-08-08 11:16:02 AM  

born_yesterday: Wulfman: Pocket Ninja: I don't know that I've ever heard of Williamsburg referred to as a "modern city." It's barely a town, with a population of under 20K. It literally only exists because of its colonial history re-enactments. And Busch Gardens, which is terrible. Williamsburg Winery is also there, which is special because it produces more wine than any other winery (or group of wineries) in Virginia, and all of it is swill. I think they probably could have found a way to not build a parking lot over an 18th century Black church if they really, really wanted to.


City founded in 1632 only exists because of Busch Gardens? Man wtf trauma happened to you in the former capital of Virginia, to cause such a reaction to its mere mention?

I remember riding The Big Bad Wolf when it was new.


I miss the Big Bad Wolf.

The Pottery, in its heyday, too.
 
2022-08-08 11:16:23 AM  
This whole article is CRT
 
2022-08-08 11:17:03 AM  
It's almost as if the "heritage" is totally full of shiat.
 
2022-08-08 11:20:20 AM  

Valter: 1995-2000 Prince William County
2000-2004 Richmond (ew ew ew never ever going back there)
2004-2008 Fauquier County (does that count as northern VA? also never want to go back there)
2008-now Fairfax County


1990-1991-- Waynesboro, PA  (worked/commuted to Arlington VA)
1991-1996 -- Fredneck, MD
2000-2003 -- Herndon, Va
2003-2004 -- North Potomac,MD

All I know was that the NOVA area was highly congested, and the roads were awful. Suburbia at it's finest. Strip malls everywhere, a beltway that was always bumper to bumper and that stupid toll road which I had to use as I lived right off the exit there in Herndon.  It sucked making sure I always had loose change in the ashtray.

Since I moved, I understand that one can use an easy pass now, but back then we didn't have those.

It sucked that the cops used the toll plaza's to check for seatbealts and stickers....
 
2022-08-08 11:22:58 AM  

Valter: steklo: Valter: I live there.

I know.

2000-2004   Herndon.

I think that's all I have to say.

1995-2000 Prince William County
2000-2004 Richmond (ew ew ew never ever going back there)
2004-2008 Fauquier County (does that count as northern VA? also never want to go back there)
2008-now Fairfax County

I may have oversold it. It's not BAD here it's just not particularly good. Like a life of eternal boredom punctuated by sudden happenings. Like anywhere I guess.

/we sure like naming places after British Royalty tho


I actually like Virginia - been here since 1984:

1984-1990 Fairfax Co.
1990-1995 Williamsburg/James City Co.
1995-1996 Fairfax Co. (Lorton, when the DC prison was still in operation, and no, not as a guest)
1997-2020 Frederick Co. (three towns)
2020-2021 Henry Co./Martinsville
2021-now  Back in Frederick Co.
 
2022-08-08 11:23:33 AM  

steklo: Valter: 1995-2000 Prince William County
2000-2004 Richmond (ew ew ew never ever going back there)
2004-2008 Fauquier County (does that count as northern VA? also never want to go back there)
2008-now Fairfax County

1990-1991-- Waynesboro, PA  (worked/commuted to Arlington VA)
1991-1996 -- Fredneck, MD
2000-2003 -- Herndon, Va
2003-2004 -- North Potomac,MD

All I know was that the NOVA area was highly congested, and the roads were awful. Suburbia at it's finest. Strip malls everywhere, a beltway that was always bumper to bumper and that stupid toll road which I had to use as I lived right off the exit there in Herndon.  It sucked making sure I always had loose change in the ashtray.

Since I moved, I understand that one can use an easy pass now, but back then we didn't have those.

It sucked that the cops used the toll plaza's to check for seatbealts and stickers....


I can taste the Virginia in the exasperation.

I'm like a Virginia Vampire. I hate it! I love it! I don't know what else to feel anymore.
 
2022-08-08 11:23:54 AM  

Ktonos: 1997-2020 Frederick Co. (three towns)


you moved there, when I left for NC...

small world.
 
2022-08-08 11:24:07 AM  

eKonk: Gyrfalcon: Somaticasual: If it's intentional, let social media at them.
But at some point, a modern city will have to make a choice - History or the utility and value of the space in The Present?

And unfortunately, when you're  in a place basically overlayed with a  couple  of hundred years of History, that seems  like it would get more and more complicated as time goes on and the population grows.

Well, according to TFA, it was totally intentional, but it was in 1956, so the effect of social media on the ones who did it will be negligible. Otoh, the parking lot was already itself ripped out in 2020 and archaeological investigations have been moving right along, so I guess they chose History.

Yup, this is a case where today's Colonial Williamsburg is doing the right thing, correcting (as well as it can be) the asshole decisions of the past.  Good for them.


I hear they are going to put up a bunch of little shacks and put them up on AirBnB...

/runs away, not nearly fast enough
 
2022-08-08 11:25:14 AM  

Valter: I don't know what else to feel anymore.


You've been brainwashed by Northern VA. You're learning to except the wrath of the area.
 
2022-08-08 11:26:30 AM  

steklo: Valter: I don't know what else to feel anymore.

You've been brainwashed by Northern VA. You're learning to except the wrath of the area.


You ever want a culture shock, live in Northern VA then move to SW VA - that's a helluva thing.
 
2022-08-08 11:30:43 AM  
Ironically, it's likely the decision to pave the site into a parking lot actually preserved it. Just putting a layer of pavement on top would just seal the layers below it.

Real damage would have been done if the site was turned into a building that required digging foundations and possibly a basement.
 
2022-08-08 11:33:34 AM  

Fano: Valter: I knew it was a tourist trap and not worth visiting. I didn't know that.

Now I know that.

Virginia never seems to disappoint when it comes to being disappointing.

https://www.dinosaurkingdomii.com/gallery

Would you like to see Yankees being killed by dinosaurs led by a cyborg Stonewall Jackson?


O.0 what the...? That is kind of awesome. Had to look up more info and according to Wikipedia "he plans to open a similar park at Gettysburg reenacting Pickett's Charge with dinosaurs, in which the Confederates will be attacked."
 
2022-08-08 11:36:25 AM  
Typical racist morons, paving over black history in 2022! They probably don't even read articles before weighing in on them! Idiots.
 
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