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(BBC-US)   British croppers gobsmacked by brilliant crop as mains bill collectors come a cropper   (bbc.com) divider line
    More: Cool, Cattle, Milk, dairy chillers, dairy farms, domestic households, acres of arable land, warm baby chicks, Adam Henson  
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2022-08-08 11:14:34 AM  
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No, no I don't understand that banter at all...
 
2022-08-08 11:20:23 AM  
What do boffins think of this?
 
2022-08-08 11:55:26 AM  
Well that goat looks totally F*CKING evil.
 
2022-08-08 12:28:43 PM  
Was any word with more than three letters in that headline English?  You invented the language, don't want of you speak it?
 
2022-08-08 1:04:06 PM  
It is a really good article if you read all the way to the bottom. The exact thing has been happening in Japan too.

Costs for electricity are getting to the point that getting solar is a no brainer.... giving breakeven periods of 3 to 4 years.... not 8 to 10. It has got to be happening in Australia and throughout Europe too. A lot of businesses can use the electricity they produce and replace what they are taking from the grid.

But there is a catch. And it is a doozy. The article describes the case for the UK. I will give my case below.

I got my electric bill for last month, and I got dinged for OVER producing. The utility had to throw away some of the electricity I produced, and they billed me to do that. Two months ago, it was 2.5%. OK. No big deal. But this last month? 8.5%. They DOCKED me 8.5% because my panels produced more than the grid could use. All of these people putting in new panels are doing great things for the environment, but they and other solar users are bearing more and more risk.

I am wigging out a little. It is the middle of summer. How is my utility finding enough electricity that they can throw away 8.5% of what I am supplying on sunny days?

It is doing amazing things to the market. If you produce a lot and use everything you produce, you are sitting pretty. If you produce a little bit more, that is still nice. But if you are producing a lot more, it is conceivable that you will wind up paying more than you get paid. The answer? Batteries. EVs. Heating systems. Cooling systems. Dynamic loading. It is conceivable that running extension cords to your neighbor could be cheaper than getting punished by your utility for burdening the grid with electricity.

The world is turning upside down. Literally at the same time utilities are crying about too much demand and too much renewables, they are "curtailing" and deliberately "wasting" available power. This is not new at the wholesale level, but it is "new" at the retail level.
 
2022-08-08 1:20:01 PM  
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2022-08-08 1:47:39 PM  
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'But if I harness all the farm's sunlight for electricity there won't be any of it left to grow crops!
You hippy-wankers didn't think this cunning plan all the way through.'

'Your job is to stand in that field over there and yell at clouds - remember? Back to work!'
 
2022-08-08 2:33:37 PM  
One of the most powerful things you can do in the world is separate yourself from debts and rents. Solar power can separate you from rents paid for power. "God bless the child that's got his own".
 
2022-08-08 8:17:59 PM  

adamatari: One of the most powerful things you can do in the world is separate yourself from debts and rents. Solar power can separate you from rents paid for power. "God bless the child that's got his own".


It is a strong incentive. I have struggled with ideas of natural monopolies, concentration of capital and even awarded rents as being necessary for the development of public welfare. It has worked all throughout the developed world.

But then you create  a Hobbesian Leviathan that sucks up all the rights and rents and resources. All you can do is go and feed another leviathan that sells solar panels and semiconducting inverters and just keep running from all of these juggernauts created by capitalism.
 
2022-08-08 8:32:51 PM  
I guess I would have to write a book to get it all out of my system.

These farmers are winners to the degree that they play "every man for himself" because the grid can't serve their demand OR accept their resource. I am not sure how humanity gets out of this, even in the so-called advanced countries, without wrecking what we have got and replacing it with a much less-satisfying alternative.

My utility is apparently having real trouble, and is hiding it. My hunch is that they looked at their expected demand this summer, with high temps and cloudy weather, and decided that they were not going to make it through on solar. They bought a bunch of coal and started burning it so that everyone could keep their AC on. Then when the sunny days came, they had their coal generation so ramped up that they had to reject the solar electricity.

I suppose the alternate scenario is that heavy rains more or less forced them to use more hydro than they had planned, which pushes away the solar-generated electricity.

Bottom line is that the utility needs more gas peakers and load following resources, but they are expensive. It is much cheaper to just curtail what they get from renewables. But that lowers the expected return from renewables, raising its costs and increasing the risks.

This is what the world looks like with solar above, say, 20% of grid capacity. Renewables have pushed costs onto everyone, as was the plan. Now we have "every man for himself" winners. And we have the rest of the resource being sold in a monopsony.
 
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