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(9News (Australia))   Not that China has any intentions of invading, they just like to launch long-range airstrike drills around Taiwan for the hell of it   (9news.com.au) divider line
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sleze
2022-08-08 11:36:09 AM  
36 votes:
Let me know when they start massive movements of troops, supplies, and fuel to their costal bases. Until then, it is all Saber rattling.
 
jso2897
2022-08-08 11:40:11 AM  
14 votes:
They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.
 
iheartscotch
2022-08-08 11:44:08 AM  
13 votes:
This is exactly a show because the Chinese can. If they actually wanted to try to stop us...they'd try to stop us. This is a tantrum.
 
Gaythiest Elitist [TotalFark]
2022-08-08 11:55:24 AM  
9 votes:
I think the official U.S. government policy on China potentially attacking Taiwan is, "I wish a motherfarker would." 

Good.
 
buravirgil
2022-08-08 11:37:42 AM  
6 votes:
Subby has sky to sell before it falls.
 
Alebak
2022-08-08 11:49:46 AM  
6 votes:

sleze: Let me know when they start massive movements of troops, supplies, and fuel to their costal bases. Until then, it is all Saber rattling.


I think why people forget that there will be big warning signs for a full on invasion is a combination of movies and stuff that show similar huge events suddenly happening without any warning, and news corporations desperate for eyeballs screaming for attention. "Woah, could WW3 kick off TODAY?! Here's some asshole in a suit pretending to be an expert!"
 
A Mutiny of Clowns
2022-08-08 11:51:56 AM  
6 votes:
This first world posturing is so farking cringe at this point...

e.g.,

70s Russia: might just annihilate all of western civilization

2022 Russia: griefing neighboring countries because GDP less than Texas

We're at the point of human history where WMDs exist, but because of natural escalation and mutually assured destruction, we've gone back to like 1880s warfare. 

"Maybe that bomb killed our target maybe it didn't...but WE'RE FOR SURE BEING A NUSCIANCE RIGHT?!"
 
Intrepid00 [TotalFark]
2022-08-08 11:56:14 AM  
6 votes:
Come on my red tagged CCP stooges. I know you are reading this as you angrily push funny as we shiat talk the CCP.
 
Fano
2022-08-08 12:04:10 PM  
6 votes:

Intrepid00: Come on my red tagged CCP stooges. I know you are reading this as you angrily push funny as we shiat talk the CCP.


Looking forward to adding to my commie Russian/Chinese Stooge Red 5 favorites
 
Mad_Radhu
2022-08-08 12:34:17 PM  
6 votes:
All Taiwan has to do is wire up TSMC with charges and threaten to blow the chip fabs if the Chinese invade. It would basically send the world economy into a tailspin, but it would hurt China the worst by shutting down production of a LOT of consumer electronics in the mainland.

That's the biggest card Taiwan has to play right now. They could basically put China's economy on a deadman's switch.
 
Summoner101
2022-08-08 11:37:36 AM  
5 votes:
How long has North Korea been tossing missiles over Japan or is North Korea's war just with the ocean?
 
TheGreatGazoo
2022-08-08 11:53:28 AM  
5 votes:

Intrepid00: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

Yeah, I just do see them doing now. Especially after seeing how much it strengthens NATO and EU after Russia started it. Not to mention China needs computer chips and the ROC is just going to blow that shiat the fark up once they land as burned earth policy.


We need to get chip making going in other countries as fast as we can. I know the US is working on it, but Europe and India need to step up too.
 
Fano
2022-08-08 12:05:22 PM  
5 votes:

BigNumber12: iheartscotch: This is exactly a show because the Chinese can. If they actually wanted to try to stop us...they'd try to stop us. This is a tantrum.

Yep. Pelosi cost them a great deal of face. Their blog/Twitter scene is uncharacteristically embarrassed and angry with the Party. So of course the Party throws another tantrum. It's what they do.

"[The government] only chants slogans loudly while greatly disappointing the public with its actual actions," one person wrote on Sina Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter.

For reference, there had been loud calls for China to shoot Pelosi's plane down.

The world is going to have a major problem over the next century, dealing with the consequences of China's society-wide fascist militarization of a billion and a half people.


They will miss the American Century
 
Paul in Israel
2022-08-08 12:26:58 PM  
5 votes:
I kid you guys not, but I have an interview for an economic assistant position at the Taiwanese embassy in Tel Aviv on Friday. On top of that, I am currently working at the only maritime think tank in the country (I live in Israel), and I am now doing a project predicting what India would do if Taiwan is invaded. If the Chinese try to take over Taiwan before the interview and project are finished, I will be pissed on many different levels than I would have just a few months ago.
 
Trayal
2022-08-08 12:27:19 PM  
5 votes:

jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.


Taiwan is an ideological threat to the CCP, as it is proof that the Chinese people are entirely capable of governing themselves effectively, and don't need the likes of totalitarian control to achieve prosperity.

Additionally, there is the concept of 'Face' at the center of mainland Chinese society, and Xi losing face would undermine his authority. Ever wonder why the CCP overreacts in response to anybody anywhere publicly voicing any criticism, no matter how minor, at China? Face is why.

Know your enemy.
 
Paul in Israel
2022-08-08 12:35:30 PM  
5 votes:

Mad-n-FL: DuneClimber: I say we should strike Taiwan first, just to show the Chinese how it's done.

THAT'S how you do it, farkheads.

Strike the fab plant, then China loses interest in Taiwan.


Lolol. No. Speaking as someone who was doing a Ph.D. in Asian studies, the Chinese Communist Party's legitimacy is based on reclaiming Taiwan if anything striking the fab plant would make the Chinese attack sooner since the Chinese would have less to lose if the Chinese computer manufacturers could no longer worry about not getting their chips.
 
jso2897
2022-08-08 11:49:59 AM  
4 votes:

Intrepid00: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

Yeah, I just do see them doing now. Especially after seeing how much it strengthens NATO and EU after Russia started it. Not to mention China needs computer chips and the ROC is just going to blow that shiat the fark up once they land as burned earth policy.


It is to their benefit to allow Taiwan to prosper and produce, and to biatch and moan and act the injured party about it. The Chinese don't generally do emotional, impulsive things.
They will leave this situation as it is for the nonce - it's working for them.
 
BigNumber12
2022-08-08 12:37:20 PM  
4 votes:

Trayal: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

Taiwan is an ideological threat to the CCP, as it is proof that the Chinese people are entirely capable of governing themselves effectively, and don't need the likes of totalitarian control to achieve prosperity.


Yep. They'll openly say as much through their mouthpieces.

"I'm not sure if it's good to have freedom or not, I'm really confused now. If there is too much freedom, like the way Hong Kong is today, it is very chaotic; Taiwan is also chaotic. I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled." - Jackie Chan
 
BigNumber12
2022-08-08 11:51:59 AM  
3 votes:
Jeez, we get it already, you guys are bloodthirsty warmongers just like your pals the Orcs. And just like them and other totalitarians, you put on a great choreographed show, but everyone else knows what a Chinese amphibious landing would look like in practice.
 
A Mutiny of Clowns
2022-08-08 11:57:58 AM  
3 votes:

DuneClimber: I say we should strike Taiwan first, just to show the Chinese how it's done.

THAT'S how you do it, farkheads.


The under-utilized pre-emptive military market. I love it...how can I get my quickly depleting mutual fund involved?
 
BigNumber12
2022-08-08 12:03:43 PM  
3 votes:

iheartscotch: This is exactly a show because the Chinese can. If they actually wanted to try to stop us...they'd try to stop us. This is a tantrum.


Yep. Pelosi cost them a great deal of face. Their blog/Twitter scene is uncharacteristically embarrassed and angry with the Party. So of course the Party throws another tantrum. It's what they do.

"[The government] only chants slogans loudly while greatly disappointing the public with its actual actions," one person wrote on Sina Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter.

For reference, there had been loud calls for China to shoot Pelosi's plane down.

The world is going to have a major problem over the next century, dealing with the consequences of China's society-wide fascist militarization of a billion and a half people.
 
Intrepid00 [TotalFark]
2022-08-08 11:46:30 AM  
2 votes:

jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.


Yeah, I just do see them doing now. Especially after seeing how much it strengthens NATO and EU after Russia started it. Not to mention China needs computer chips and the ROC is just going to blow that shiat the fark up once they land as burned earth policy.
 
keldaria
2022-08-08 12:26:50 PM  
2 votes:

jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.


China wants Taiwan under its thumb but it's not going to use military force to make it happen. It's literally a worthless island if they have to bomb it into submission and endure economic sanctions against the mainland for taking it by force while also having Taiwan itself lose its special trade statuses.

Beyond that they would have a massive insurgency that would take decades of very bloody occupation to fully put down.

The only way China gets what it wants is a peaceful reunification, and Russia has already proven how effective exploiting voters using social media can be. Right now China is just saber rattleing because trying to intimidate and stir up the western forces is more beneficial to their long term goals than flipping the island.
 
Not_Todd
2022-08-08 12:30:17 PM  
2 votes:

sleze: Let me know when they start massive movements of troops, supplies, and fuel to their costal bases. Until then, it is all Saber rattling.


Exactly. Rattling a sabre makes a lot more noise than drawing one.
 
Incog_Neeto
2022-08-08 12:35:40 PM  
2 votes:
They need something to distract from the fact that they are using tanks to quell the protests over their collapsing economy.
 
AwfulObject
2022-08-08 12:39:53 PM  
2 votes:
Just like we've found out in Ukraine, totalitarian military forces are aimed at their own people, instead of any real outward use. They require a beaten and ground-to-dust population to be useful.

And if you'd believe it, in these totalitarian states, there's even *more* corruption than our own MIC! Honestly, with the showing that Russia has been delivering us against a "modern" military, I'm wondering why the whole place isn't upside down already.
 
Jubeebee [TotalFark]
2022-08-08 12:43:53 PM  
2 votes:

BigNumber12: Yep. Pelosi cost them a great deal of face. Their blog/Twitter scene is uncharacteristically embarrassed and angry with the Party. So of course the Party throws another tantrum. It's what they do.

"[The government] only chants slogans loudly while greatly disappointing the public with its actual actions," one person wrote on Sina Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter.

For reference, there had been loud calls for China to shoot Pelosi's plane down.


A conventional war between the US and China results in massive famines and structural collapse in China within two years, and a nuclear war between the two does similar things globally. A conventional invasion of Taiwan without US involvement destroys TSMC and likely shuts down commercial shipping through the Taiwan straits for long enough to cause famine and civil unrest in northern China, even if the invasion succeeds well enough to prevent partisan activity. The CCP knows this, regardless of the opinions of the gutter oil brigade.
 
DanInKansas
2022-08-08 2:30:41 PM  
2 votes:

Mad_Radhu: All Taiwan has to do is wire up TSMC with charges and threaten to blow the chip fabs if the Chinese invade. It would basically send the world economy into a tailspin, but it would hurt China the worst by shutting down production of a LOT of consumer electronics in the mainland.

That's the biggest card Taiwan has to play right now. They could basically put China's economy on a deadman's switch.


"China is going to invade Taiwan!!!!"

With farking what, exactly?  Just how do the knuckleheads stoking up fears about this foresee the Chinese conducting an operation torch? What capacity does the PRC currently have in place to conduct an amphibious landing of over 1 million troops in the face of hostile fire? And how are the Chinese supposed to succeed quickly enough in doing so to prevent Operation Broken Nest?

If you want to make the case that the PRC will enforce a blockade with their navy, while making the massive bet the USA will do nothing but squeak, I can at least listen to that. But anyone who uses the word "invasion" deserves to be taken exactly as seriously as the people who say "liberal" or "sheeple".
 
ByOwlLight
2022-08-08 2:42:39 PM  
2 votes:
lol all these people in here saying "China will never invade, it's in their best interests to keep Taiwan as-is!"

First of all, y'all sound the same as the "they'll never actually overturn Roe, it's how they get votes" crowd.

Second of all, you really, really don't know China.
 
macadamnut
2022-08-08 12:07:39 PM  
1 vote:

Fano: Intrepid00: Come on my red tagged CCP stooges. I know you are reading this as you angrily push funny as we shiat talk the CCP.

Looking forward to adding to my commie Russian/Chinese Stooge Red 5 favorites



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BigNumber12
2022-08-08 12:12:27 PM  
1 vote:

Fano: BigNumber12: iheartscotch: This is exactly a show because the Chinese can. If they actually wanted to try to stop us...they'd try to stop us. This is a tantrum.

Yep. Pelosi cost them a great deal of face. Their blog/Twitter scene is uncharacteristically embarrassed and angry with the Party. So of course the Party throws another tantrum. It's what they do.

"[The government] only chants slogans loudly while greatly disappointing the public with its actual actions," one person wrote on Sina Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter.

For reference, there had been loud calls for China to shoot Pelosi's plane down.

The world is going to have a major problem over the next century, dealing with the consequences of China's society-wide fascist militarization of a billion and a half people.

They will miss the American Century


I keep telling people that, and they keep wondering why a stranger is talking to them at the grocery store.
 
AtlanticCoast63
2022-08-08 12:24:51 PM  
1 vote:

BigNumber12: Jeez, we get it already, you guys are bloodthirsty warmongers just like your pals the Orcs. And just like them and other totalitarians, you put on a great choreographed show, but everyone else knows what a Chinese amphibious landing would look like in practice.


...Operation Sealion 2:  Electric Boogaloo.
 
stuffy
2022-08-08 12:39:44 PM  
1 vote:
Given the shiat storm thats been Hong Kong. Dose China really think Taiwan is going to be a Cake walk?
 
encephlavator
2022-08-08 12:47:48 PM  
1 vote:
I'm thinking China is trying to rope a dope the USA. Taking a page out of Reagan's play book...Reagan reasoned about the USSR, iirc, we just outspend them and their economy will collapse, no need for direct military confrontation.

So China watching the massive deficit spending in the USA and hey, let's terrify the warhawks over there and get them to spend even more on the military...IDK, I don't get paid to be a geopolitical analyst.
 
Riche [TotalFark]
2022-08-08 1:03:05 PM  
1 vote:

Paul in Israel: I kid you guys not, but I have an interview for an economic assistant position at the Taiwanese embassy in Tel Aviv on Friday. On top of that, I am currently working at the only maritime think tank in the country (I live in Israel), and I am now doing a project predicting what India would do if Taiwan is invaded. If the Chinese try to take over Taiwan before the interview and project are finished, I will be pissed on many different levels than I would have just a few months ago.


Well, that's interesting.

I didn't even know Israel had an Taiwanese embassy.

When was it established? I bet it really annoys China West Taiwan.
 
AwfulObject
2022-08-08 1:13:37 PM  
1 vote:

encephlavator: I'm thinking China is trying to rope a dope the USA. Taking a page out of Reagan's play book...Reagan reasoned about the USSR, iirc, we just outspend them and their economy will collapse, no need for direct military confrontation.

So China watching the massive deficit spending in the USA and hey, let's terrify the warhawks over there and get them to spend even more on the military...IDK, I don't get paid to be a geopolitical analyst.


Lol, the Chinese understand that modern economies are memetic. The perception of strength is actual strength when it comes to fiat currency.

The US's deficit spending doesn't really matter, especially when it's the Americans themselves that own the lion's share of the debt.
 
A Mutiny of Clowns
2022-08-08 1:13:45 PM  
1 vote:

sleze: Let me know when they start massive movements of troops, supplies, and fuel to their costal bases. Until then, it is all Saber rattling.


A thousand times this.

First-world war posturing is so pathetically transparent now.

"Oh there's money? We'll just lightly bomb this peninsula instead of starting WW3...we're totally at the first-world table still right?" 

-everyone but US and China and with Taiwan US and China are playing this pathetic PR game...it's been going on since before I was born. I'm farking old.

WW3 and black chopper death camps have been an integral part of my life because my parents were okay with alternative media sources, but honestly these just seem like CIA and KGB talking points from the 70s. None of this type of paranoia has anything to do with real life on the ground in 2022
 
A Mutiny of Clowns
2022-08-08 1:15:46 PM  
1 vote:
^ that said, they're all credible threats, but I would sincerely enjoy some money being spent on the homeless people I have to step over every day to open the door to my office.

I've ALWAYS been scared of China and Russia, but what really bothers me is Jimmy who has been sleeping on the corner by my office for months
 
anticontent
2022-08-08 1:41:52 PM  
1 vote:

Riche: anticontent: Funny how we weren't jerking off about Taiwan until pelosi had to go in person to "talk" there.

Well now blue MAGA can drum up a new proxy war if they need to throw money at their defense industry buddies if needed. Bonus: Biden can be a wartime pres!

Blue MAGA?  🤔

That's an interesting enough concept for me to break my "don't feed the trolls" rule.

If that were a thing I believe it would begin with universal health care, guaranteed right of privacy, automatic voter registration... And work up from there to a bunch of other reforms, then implement a somewhat generous UBI.

You know, an overall goal of getting as close as we can to a post scarcity society with our level of technology.

Now THAT would be a great America.

==============

Blue MAGA. I just might steal that one.


Yes, blue MAGA are the Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd who do none of that, but continue the usual policies of pandering to big oil (the latest "win" for Biden), war mongering (like they're doing with this useless Taiwan bullshiat that could have been done with a phone call), and etc. The people who share "Dark Brandon" memes on Twitter and unironically call themselves either khive or ImWithHer. The type who donate to fascists for an "easy win" which will just backfire and get more fascists in office. The type that claim "Bernie bros" or "progressives" caused them to lose but also make the huge logical leap to claim "we don't need the progressive vote".

You can try to claim I'm a troll I guess. I just don't see how that isn't a cult, like how red MAGA is also a cult. It's this out of touch nationalism combined with a completely detached from reality view of everything, the only constant of which is using their position of power to require others to fall in line or "the other side" will win.

The MAGAs are a mirror of each other's politicult stupidity.
 
sleze
2022-08-08 1:44:18 PM  
1 vote:

A Mutiny of Clowns: ^ that said, they're all credible threats, but I would sincerely enjoy some money being spent on the homeless people I have to step over every day to open the door to my office.

I've ALWAYS been scared of China and Russia, but what really bothers me is Jimmy who has been sleeping on the corner by my office for months


Remember that China relies A LOT on foreign oil. When China finally does invade Taiwan, we'll shut down the straight of Malacca and they will have about 90 days of oil available. They will either have to win, sue for peace, or shutdown power to their industries to keep their ships fuelled.

That is when WWIII becomes a concern.
 
mknight
2022-08-08 2:46:01 PM  
1 vote:

keldaria: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

China wants Taiwan under its thumb but it's not going to use military force to make it happen. It's literally a worthless island if they have to bomb it into submission and endure economic sanctions against the mainland for taking it by force while also having Taiwan itself lose its special trade statuses.

Beyond that they would have a massive insurgency that would take decades of very bloody occupation to fully put down.

The only way China gets what it wants is a peaceful reunification, and Russia has already proven how effective exploiting voters using social media can be. Right now China is just saber rattleing because trying to intimidate and stir up the western forces is more beneficial to their long term goals than flipping the island.


i really hope you guys are right but there was a lot of people talking about how hong kong was gonna be fine. Of course china wouldn't try to kill the golden goose and yet now look at where we are.
 
keldaria
2022-08-08 3:17:32 PM  
1 vote:

mknight: keldaria: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

China wants Taiwan under its thumb but it's not going to use military force to make it happen. It's literally a worthless island if they have to bomb it into submission and endure economic sanctions against the mainland for taking it by force while also having Taiwan itself lose its special trade statuses.

Beyond that they would have a massive insurgency that would take decades of very bloody occupation to fully put down.

The only way China gets what it wants is a peaceful reunification, and Russia has already proven how effective exploiting voters using social media can be. Right now China is just saber rattleing because trying to intimidate and stir up the western forces is more beneficial to their long term goals than flipping the island.

i really hope you guys are right but there was a lot of people talking about how hong kong was gonna be fine. Of course china wouldn't try to kill the golden goose and yet now look at where we are.


They didn't invade Hong Kong, they reunited with Hong Kong peacefully then farked them over by limiting then essentially eliminating self rule.

I entirely expect Taiwan to go the same way. No armed invasion, but a peaceful reunification based on false promises before China ultimately clamps down on those freedoms in a couple of years and imposes their control/authority.

It won't happen by invasion, they would get nothing but a giant expensive problem out of it with no upside except passing America off and causing an immediate global chip shortage that ultimately would undermine their goals as the western world retooled, something which is ultimately already started. And before you say causing a global chip shortage sounds like a great idea, keep in mind their economy would go off a cliff too, likely in just as cataclysmic of a fashion with global demand for any product taking a massive shiat as a result. The real state of the world is we're too interconnected and pissing around with stuff is just as likely to screw your own nation over as some adversary.
 
Abe Vigoda's Ghost
2022-08-08 5:11:58 PM  
1 vote:

keldaria: They didn't invade Hong Kong, they reunited with Hong Kong peacefully then farked them over by limiting then essentially eliminating self rule.

I entirely expect Taiwan to go the same way. No armed invasion, but a peaceful reunification based on false promises before China ultimately clamps down on those freedoms in a couple of years and imposes their control/authority.


Nope. Hong Kong and Taiwan are totally different situations.

Taiwan is not going to peacefully reunite with China.
 
DanInKansas
2022-08-09 8:42:47 AM  
1 vote:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: keldaria: They didn't invade Hong Kong, they reunited with Hong Kong peacefully then farked them over by limiting then essentially eliminating self rule.

I entirely expect Taiwan to go the same way. No armed invasion, but a peaceful reunification based on false promises before China ultimately clamps down on those freedoms in a couple of years and imposes their control/authority.

Nope. Hong Kong and Taiwan are totally different situations.

Taiwan is not going to peacefully reunite with China.


They are totally different situations.

One was available by walking. The other, not so much.
 
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