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(9News (Australia))   Not that China has any intentions of invading, they just like to launch long-range airstrike drills around Taiwan for the hell of it   (9news.com.au) divider line
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1232 clicks; posted to Main » on 08 Aug 2022 at 11:35 AM (16 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-08 1:16:01 PM  
But Minions: Rise of Gru just opened in China so it's all good.
 
2022-08-08 1:16:22 PM  

anticontent: Funny how we weren't jerking off about Taiwan until pelosi had to go in person to "talk" there.

Well now blue MAGA can drum up a new proxy war if they need to throw money at their defense industry buddies if needed. Bonus: Biden can be a wartime pres!


Blue MAGA?  🤔

That's an interesting enough concept for me to break my "don't feed the trolls" rule.

If that were a thing I believe it would begin with universal health care, guaranteed right of privacy, automatic voter registration... And work up from there to a bunch of other reforms, then implement a somewhat generous UBI.

You know, an overall goal of getting as close as we can to a post scarcity society with our level of technology.

Now THAT would be a great America.

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Blue MAGA. I just might steal that one.
 
2022-08-08 1:20:26 PM  
Dammit.
Looks like it's the Chinese buffet for dinner tonight, before we have to start boycotting that shiat.
 
2022-08-08 1:41:52 PM  

Riche: anticontent: Funny how we weren't jerking off about Taiwan until pelosi had to go in person to "talk" there.

Well now blue MAGA can drum up a new proxy war if they need to throw money at their defense industry buddies if needed. Bonus: Biden can be a wartime pres!

Blue MAGA?  🤔

That's an interesting enough concept for me to break my "don't feed the trolls" rule.

If that were a thing I believe it would begin with universal health care, guaranteed right of privacy, automatic voter registration... And work up from there to a bunch of other reforms, then implement a somewhat generous UBI.

You know, an overall goal of getting as close as we can to a post scarcity society with our level of technology.

Now THAT would be a great America.

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Blue MAGA. I just might steal that one.


Yes, blue MAGA are the Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd who do none of that, but continue the usual policies of pandering to big oil (the latest "win" for Biden), war mongering (like they're doing with this useless Taiwan bullshiat that could have been done with a phone call), and etc. The people who share "Dark Brandon" memes on Twitter and unironically call themselves either khive or ImWithHer. The type who donate to fascists for an "easy win" which will just backfire and get more fascists in office. The type that claim "Bernie bros" or "progressives" caused them to lose but also make the huge logical leap to claim "we don't need the progressive vote".

You can try to claim I'm a troll I guess. I just don't see how that isn't a cult, like how red MAGA is also a cult. It's this out of touch nationalism combined with a completely detached from reality view of everything, the only constant of which is using their position of power to require others to fall in line or "the other side" will win.

The MAGAs are a mirror of each other's politicult stupidity.
 
2022-08-08 1:44:18 PM  

A Mutiny of Clowns: ^ that said, they're all credible threats, but I would sincerely enjoy some money being spent on the homeless people I have to step over every day to open the door to my office.

I've ALWAYS been scared of China and Russia, but what really bothers me is Jimmy who has been sleeping on the corner by my office for months


Remember that China relies A LOT on foreign oil. When China finally does invade Taiwan, we'll shut down the straight of Malacca and they will have about 90 days of oil available. They will either have to win, sue for peace, or shutdown power to their industries to keep their ships fuelled.

That is when WWIII becomes a concern.
 
2022-08-08 2:30:41 PM  

Mad_Radhu: All Taiwan has to do is wire up TSMC with charges and threaten to blow the chip fabs if the Chinese invade. It would basically send the world economy into a tailspin, but it would hurt China the worst by shutting down production of a LOT of consumer electronics in the mainland.

That's the biggest card Taiwan has to play right now. They could basically put China's economy on a deadman's switch.


"China is going to invade Taiwan!!!!"

With farking what, exactly?  Just how do the knuckleheads stoking up fears about this foresee the Chinese conducting an operation torch? What capacity does the PRC currently have in place to conduct an amphibious landing of over 1 million troops in the face of hostile fire? And how are the Chinese supposed to succeed quickly enough in doing so to prevent Operation Broken Nest?

If you want to make the case that the PRC will enforce a blockade with their navy, while making the massive bet the USA will do nothing but squeak, I can at least listen to that. But anyone who uses the word "invasion" deserves to be taken exactly as seriously as the people who say "liberal" or "sheeple".
 
2022-08-08 2:42:39 PM  
lol all these people in here saying "China will never invade, it's in their best interests to keep Taiwan as-is!"

First of all, y'all sound the same as the "they'll never actually overturn Roe, it's how they get votes" crowd.

Second of all, you really, really don't know China.
 
2022-08-08 2:46:01 PM  

keldaria: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

China wants Taiwan under its thumb but it's not going to use military force to make it happen. It's literally a worthless island if they have to bomb it into submission and endure economic sanctions against the mainland for taking it by force while also having Taiwan itself lose its special trade statuses.

Beyond that they would have a massive insurgency that would take decades of very bloody occupation to fully put down.

The only way China gets what it wants is a peaceful reunification, and Russia has already proven how effective exploiting voters using social media can be. Right now China is just saber rattleing because trying to intimidate and stir up the western forces is more beneficial to their long term goals than flipping the island.


i really hope you guys are right but there was a lot of people talking about how hong kong was gonna be fine. Of course china wouldn't try to kill the golden goose and yet now look at where we are.
 
2022-08-08 2:47:47 PM  

sleze: A Mutiny of Clowns: ^ that said, they're all credible threats, but I would sincerely enjoy some money being spent on the homeless people I have to step over every day to open the door to my office.

I've ALWAYS been scared of China and Russia, but what really bothers me is Jimmy who has been sleeping on the corner by my office for months

Remember that China relies A LOT on foreign oil. When China finally does invade Taiwan, we'll shut down the straight of Malacca and they will have about 90 days of oil available. They will either have to win, sue for peace, or shutdown power to their industries to keep their ships fuelled.

That is when WWIII becomes a concern.


I don't think shutting down the Straight of Malacca will be nearly as big of a problem as you think. Who do you think Russia is selling to? They were already importing most of their oil from Russia before the war in Ukraine.
 
2022-08-08 3:06:05 PM  

ByOwlLight: First of all, y'all sound the same as the "they'll never actually overturn Roe, it's how they get votes" crowd.


You know, not every single thing that people don't think is going to happen has to be met with "ROE V WADE!".

It's like this year's "TRUMP IN 2016!".
 
2022-08-08 3:17:32 PM  

mknight: keldaria: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

China wants Taiwan under its thumb but it's not going to use military force to make it happen. It's literally a worthless island if they have to bomb it into submission and endure economic sanctions against the mainland for taking it by force while also having Taiwan itself lose its special trade statuses.

Beyond that they would have a massive insurgency that would take decades of very bloody occupation to fully put down.

The only way China gets what it wants is a peaceful reunification, and Russia has already proven how effective exploiting voters using social media can be. Right now China is just saber rattleing because trying to intimidate and stir up the western forces is more beneficial to their long term goals than flipping the island.

i really hope you guys are right but there was a lot of people talking about how hong kong was gonna be fine. Of course china wouldn't try to kill the golden goose and yet now look at where we are.


They didn't invade Hong Kong, they reunited with Hong Kong peacefully then farked them over by limiting then essentially eliminating self rule.

I entirely expect Taiwan to go the same way. No armed invasion, but a peaceful reunification based on false promises before China ultimately clamps down on those freedoms in a couple of years and imposes their control/authority.

It won't happen by invasion, they would get nothing but a giant expensive problem out of it with no upside except passing America off and causing an immediate global chip shortage that ultimately would undermine their goals as the western world retooled, something which is ultimately already started. And before you say causing a global chip shortage sounds like a great idea, keep in mind their economy would go off a cliff too, likely in just as cataclysmic of a fashion with global demand for any product taking a massive shiat as a result. The real state of the world is we're too interconnected and pissing around with stuff is just as likely to screw your own nation over as some adversary.
 
2022-08-08 3:48:11 PM  

macadamnut: Fano: Intrepid00: Come on my red tagged CCP stooges. I know you are reading this as you angrily push funny as we shiat talk the CCP.

Looking forward to adding to my commie Russian/Chinese Stooge Red 5 favorites


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That movie is such a classic.
 
2022-08-08 3:49:37 PM  

Trayal: jso2897: They don't intend to invade.
Taiwan is worth a great deal more to the PRC as it is than it would be as a territory.
What idiot wants to trade a prosperous, self-sufficient neighbor for a few million hungry mouths to feed?
Especially if that neighbor can be used as a foil in one's own internal politics.
Get real.

Taiwan is an ideological threat to the CCP, as it is proof that the Chinese people are entirely capable of governing themselves effectively, and don't need the likes of totalitarian control to achieve prosperity.

Additionally, there is the concept of 'Face' at the center of mainland Chinese society, and Xi losing face would undermine his authority. Ever wonder why the CCP overreacts in response to anybody anywhere publicly voicing any criticism, no matter how minor, at China? Face is why.

Know your enemy.


This is a good point because Russia invaded Ukrainians because they know it's problematic to have a country doing better when your stooges were run out.
 
2022-08-08 3:53:41 PM  

buravirgil: Paul in Israel: Speaking as someone who was doing a Ph.D. in Asian studies,

Refer to yourself in the third person to lock in the achievement of insufferability.


It's my favorite stooge.
 
2022-08-08 5:09:04 PM  
Let them get in their practice drills.
It gives the US and Taiwan an idea of what to expect, should China actually stage an invasion.
 
2022-08-08 5:11:18 PM  

ByOwlLight: lol all these people in here saying "China will never invade, it's in their best interests to keep Taiwan as-is!"

First of all, y'all sound the same as the "they'll never actually overturn Roe, it's how they get votes" crowd.

Second of all, you really, really don't know China.


There's a lot of shiat at play when it comes to the China/Taiwan situation. Easy money to guess that a non-insignificant number of people in the Chinese government that LOVE the status quo, a real close by example to point at to say "Look at what bullshiat America gets up to! Not like us, who are great!". Something to keep people from talking about local problems and pointed at international shenanigans that barely have an effect on their actual lives.

I'm also sure that there's people in the Chinese government who ACTUALLY want to cut the bullshiat and just take the island, that personally believe the propaganda that Taiwan is not an independent country but that its a rebellious province that needs to be brought to heel and they don't get why less and less people care, I mean its not like you got people who've been born, grew to adulthood, and have had kids of their own in the time since they broke off and now, nah dude that iron is HOT TIME TO STRIKE.

What the future holds depends on where the ratio and respective influence balance lies. Do the status quo people over shadow the more jingoistic? We probably won't find out for sure until China officially says "fark it, fine, whatever. Taiwan still sucks though" or we see committed logistics movement like in the build up to the Ukraine conflict. They're going to keep their cards close to their chests, just like the US would.
 
2022-08-08 5:11:58 PM  

keldaria: They didn't invade Hong Kong, they reunited with Hong Kong peacefully then farked them over by limiting then essentially eliminating self rule.

I entirely expect Taiwan to go the same way. No armed invasion, but a peaceful reunification based on false promises before China ultimately clamps down on those freedoms in a couple of years and imposes their control/authority.


Nope. Hong Kong and Taiwan are totally different situations.

Taiwan is not going to peacefully reunite with China.
 
2022-08-08 5:45:05 PM  

Theeng: encephlavator: I'm thinking China is trying to rope a dope the USA. Taking a page out of Reagan's play book...Reagan reasoned about the USSR, iirc, we just outspend them and their economy will collapse, no need for direct military confrontation.

So China watching the massive deficit spending in the USA and hey, let's terrify the warhawks over there and get them to spend even more on the military...IDK, I don't get paid to be a geopolitical analyst.

Nobody outside of Chicken Littles selling papers are worried anymore.  China looks toothless now.


And all the Russian tanks will run out of fuel and their troops will run back home!
 
2022-08-08 5:47:47 PM  

ObscureNameHere: What about Red Fox and Simply Red?


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2022-08-08 5:50:39 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: keldaria: They didn't invade Hong Kong, they reunited with Hong Kong peacefully then farked them over by limiting then essentially eliminating self rule.

I entirely expect Taiwan to go the same way. No armed invasion, but a peaceful reunification based on false promises before China ultimately clamps down on those freedoms in a couple of years and imposes their control/authority.

Nope. Hong Kong and Taiwan are totally different situations.

Taiwan is not going to peacefully reunite with China.


This week, year, decade? Sure I agree, not happening. Hong Kong wouldn't have peacefully reunited either if it wasn't essentially going to mostly revert to their control anyways once the British lease expired. It was essentially a shotgun wedding where the west tried to make the best out of a situation and hoped China valued Hong Kong as link to the western world more than they valued control over it. Obviously that didn't work, but the options weren't exactly plentiful.

That said, Taiwan may eventually reunite on its own. It's about as far fetched of an idea as Trump being elected president in 2016. Most of us laugh at the implication, but all China really needs is a candidate(s)/party they can push, a terrible opposition candidate(s) for them to run against and a social media strategy to make it happen.

Keep in mind, for them to succeed, they just need one election cycle with voters angry at the status quo to upset the Apple cart. I personally give it 2 to 1 odds in favor of China successfully pulling off a peaceful reunification in my lifetime and a 2 in 10 odds that Taiwan situation remains unchanged. The difference between the two is the odds Taiwan declares independence and at that point it's anyones guess if they succeed at that and it's nearly guaranteed that they would get invaded as a result.
 
2022-08-09 8:42:47 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: keldaria: They didn't invade Hong Kong, they reunited with Hong Kong peacefully then farked them over by limiting then essentially eliminating self rule.

I entirely expect Taiwan to go the same way. No armed invasion, but a peaceful reunification based on false promises before China ultimately clamps down on those freedoms in a couple of years and imposes their control/authority.

Nope. Hong Kong and Taiwan are totally different situations.

Taiwan is not going to peacefully reunite with China.


They are totally different situations.

One was available by walking. The other, not so much.
 
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