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(NYPost)   If anyone was worried there wouldn't be rampant cheating on the NYPD sergeant's exam, rest assured that turned out to be a vicious rumor   (nypost.com) divider line
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2022-08-07 9:11:43 PM  
I'll be curious to see if they trace the text messages to both the senders & receivers in order to identify those suspected of cheating. Of course, maybe the cops learned something from the Secret Service and are all busily wiping their devices right now.
 
2022-08-07 9:15:12 PM  

Captain Orr: I'll be curious to see if they trace the text messages to both the senders & receivers in order to identify those suspected of cheating. Of course, maybe the cops learned something from the Secret Service and are all busily wiping their devices right now.


Plus it's very, very hard to prove they recipients read or, or used the information, especially if it was unsolicited - which it pretty much automatically is in a group messaging situation
 
2022-08-07 9:17:56 PM  
Cops? Dishonest? I AM SHOCKED! Shocked, I say!
 
2022-08-07 9:18:42 PM  
At this point I'd be more shocked if they didn't cheat.
 
2022-08-07 9:20:51 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Captain Orr: I'll be curious to see if they trace the text messages to both the senders & receivers in order to identify those suspected of cheating. Of course, maybe the cops learned something from the Secret Service and are all busily wiping their devices right now.

Plus it's very, very hard to prove they recipients read or, or used the information, especially if it was unsolicited - which it pretty much automatically is in a group messaging situation


Argh - that's it - reverting this browser fork update right now.  Anything that actually makes my typing even more incomprehensible is too farked up for anyone
 
2022-08-07 9:25:17 PM  
You would think statistical analysis of the daily pass rates would throw a red flag.

Anyway... They obviously can't be trusted. Take away their badges and funds review all their arrests. Everything these people have done as a police officer is now suspect.
 
2022-08-07 9:27:26 PM  

Captain Orr: I'll be curious to see if they trace the text messages to both the senders & receivers in order to identify those suspected of cheating. Of course, maybe the cops learned something from the Secret Service and are all busily wiping their devices right now.


Of course they are going to trace the messages. How else will they be able to determine in which locker to leave the dead rats after the owner gets shot during an unsolved burglary call and no backup arrives.
 
2022-08-07 9:27:47 PM  
Guns. But pull their funds too
 
2022-08-07 9:30:58 PM  
So what is the difference between chronic A and chronic B?
 
2022-08-07 9:32:04 PM  

LordOfThePings: So what is the difference between chronic A and chronic B?


Chronic?  Ayyy!

We B out :(
 
2022-08-07 9:36:03 PM  
One interesting option might be to simply toss the results of *everyone* taking this exam as it is "tainted" and retest the entire lot under more strict conditions. Those who passed on the initial test and failed miserably on the retest probably deserve extra scrutiny to see if:

a) they aligned with the day 1/day 2 ordering
b) they were on the receiving end of any text chains with the test information
c) there is any statistical significance to the questions they got right & the questions they received in the text

I would also like to see if there's any code of conduct or testing regulations regarding the dissemination of the test questions or answers. I would have to believe there is, given even common tests like the SAT have such clauses. If so, every single cop who *sent* a text with the test information should be immediately reprimanded (including rescinding any promotion they might have gotten by passing the test).
 
2022-08-07 9:43:26 PM  
If this is to be a test with objective scoring criteria, it has to be the same questions and answers given to all people testing. If you give different versions of the test, you no longer have an objective scoring criteria because some people got a harder or easier versions of the test.
 
2022-08-07 9:45:08 PM  
Cheat sheet
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2022-08-07 9:51:05 PM  

Loucifer: Cheat sheet
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No dried pork and seaweed donut?!?

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/I'd eat the hell out of one of those
 
2022-08-07 9:55:44 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Loucifer: Cheat sheet
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No dried pork and seaweed donut?!?

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/I'd eat the hell out of one of those


that's on the captains exam.
 
2022-08-07 10:02:18 PM  
NYC Cops 2020 (mocking): I can't breathe!

NYC Cops 2022: I can't cheat!
 
2022-08-07 10:04:33 PM  
After officers left the first session Wednesday, some started sending out the questions and answers via messaging groups

Presumably to other white nationalists in the Thin Blue Line club.
 
2022-08-07 10:05:05 PM  
I have never been in a situation where calling the police was helpful.
 
2022-08-07 10:07:06 PM  

Captain Orr: One interesting option might be to simply toss the results of *everyone* taking this exam as it is "tainted" and retest the entire lot under more strict conditions.


After tracking down who posted the answers and canning them on the spot.
 
2022-08-07 10:08:49 PM  
Gee, it's not like a C student to cheat. And to then be so stupid and leave a trail of evidence of their cheating.

How can this be?
 
2022-08-07 10:09:16 PM  

CthulhuCalling: You would think statistical analysis of the daily pass rates would throw a red flag.

Anyway... They obviously can't be trusted. Take away their badges and funds review all their arrests. Everything these people have done as a police officer is now suspect.


Delay the exam for another 5 years unless they narc on the cheaters.
 
2022-08-07 10:11:27 PM  
Beyond all the stuff about the cops, why the hell would the leadership run two sessions of the same bloody test? If you are doing multiple sessions you have different versions of the test so this wouldn't matter.
 
2022-08-07 10:15:51 PM  

dywed88: Beyond all the stuff about the cops, why the hell would the leadership run two sessions of the same bloody test? If you are doing multiple sessions you have different versions of the test so this wouldn't matter.


You're presuming that this was an unintended issue and not something that was engineered in from the beginning. I would hold no such assumption. Whoever setup the testing is very likely to be a person of interest that warrants intense questioning.
 
2022-08-07 10:17:35 PM  

mrmopar5287: If this is to be a test with objective scoring criteria, it has to be the same questions and answers given to all people testing. If you give different versions of the test, you no longer have an objective scoring criteria because some people got a harder or easier versions of the test.


If they've done their testing properly, there should be a large database of questions that they can draw from.

The people creating the test should have stats on each question, so that it's possible to use different questions of equal difficulty on different tests.

However, given how they farked up this test, I doubt experienced test developers were involved.

Give the first day the sergeant test used in Buffalo, and the second day gets the test used in Yonkers.

Or decimate the test-takers, and run the exam again. If they cheat again, decimate the remainder. Repeat as necessary.
 
2022-08-07 10:21:42 PM  

goatharper: I have never been in a situation where calling the police was helpful.


I had to call them to file a report for my insurance. I don't know why my insurance requires reports from them instead of me, I've never been the subject of a DOJ investigation for lying on government forms like they've been.
 
2022-08-07 10:29:59 PM  

goatharper: I have never been in a situation where calling the police was helpful.


Last year I got rear ended at a stop light by a drunk, at 3:30 on a Sunday afternoon. The police helped him away in bracelets. They did their paperwork and sent a report to the insurance companies. My deductible was waived.
Five years ago, a neighbor had a leaky hose to his propane garage heater, and the garage blew up. The police, firemen, and EMTs were there in under 5 minutes. They sent people around the neighborhood asking if people needed any counseling after seeing someone with fingers and a leg blown off.
In my younger days, in another city, my interactions with police were, shall we say, much less than helpful.
 
2022-08-07 10:30:30 PM  

mrmopar5287: If this is to be a test with objective scoring criteria, it has to be the same questions and answers given to all people testing. If you give different versions of the test, you no longer have an objective scoring criteria because some people got a harder or easier versions of the test.


Maybe it is slightly harder or easier but as long as it is all within the norms that are expected, it isn't an issue just like variance in difficulty year or year.

But, beyond that, see basic test design and statistical analysis after can easily minimize any differences. Having multiple versions of an exam is extremely normal.
 
2022-08-07 10:30:34 PM  
YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERIVOR!!!
 
2022-08-07 10:32:06 PM  
So...  Now it's clear that cops are liars (legal for them to lie, upheld by SCOTUS), murderers (George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, Eric Garner...) theives (property forfeiture), bigots (entire force dismissed for spreading bigoted joke last week and another force quit last month over not WA ting to obey a Black city manager) and cowards (Uvalde) they all sniff Trump's taint and their most elite are traitors (SS) etc, etc...
New rule, if you are white you can't be a cop!
This timeline sucks!
 
2022-08-07 10:32:46 PM  

goatharper: I have never been in a situation where calling the police was helpful.


I had a laptop stolen once. It was a loaner from school while mine was being fixed after being struck by lightning.

I needed a police report to not be billed for the laptop.
 
2022-08-07 10:43:22 PM  
I'd have thought that cheating was one of the job requirements.
 
2022-08-07 10:44:06 PM  
The NY Post ran this?  Not very bootlickery of them.
 
2022-08-07 10:53:56 PM  
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2022-08-07 11:04:18 PM  
Oh, yes. The no officer left behind act.
 
2022-08-07 11:25:07 PM  
I bet Morse never cheated on his Inspector's exam
 
2022-08-07 11:39:15 PM  

goatharper: I have never been in a situation where calling the police was helpful.


If your vehicle gets stolen, you're probably going to need a case number for the insurance.

Other than generating case #s (Ie, yeah, it's really a crime, pay the insured) you're pretty much right.

Cue destroyer13 to tell us how important pigs are.

Try having your identity stolen, and having someone in your apartment building basically straight up tell you it was them ON PAPER, and see what the cops do. Like literally, Hi my name is "my actual name", I just moved, so if any mail in my name (actually me) shows up in your box, please send it to me in apt# scammer's apartment.

I won't post pics because my real name is on them. But, yeah, fark the popo. It's been 5 years and I'm still having fallout, and the farking cops say they can't do anything. Equifax is worse. My credit rating used to be the stuff of legend, but it's farked now because my data keeps popping up over and over, and they say you have to report it every time a new incidence occurs.

He actually taunted me one day, in the entry to the building. I'll be frank, I wish I'd beaten his ass. The assault charge would be less of a pain. He moved, thus why he's still walking after I found out how useless complaining to the law is.

Incidentally, after stealing literally dozens of identities, he was charged with a single count of fraud.

Hey cop, if you're reading this, no one trusts you because you're farking useless. You only get serious if someone dares to fark with the rich. Now, I haven't done anything about the idiot mentioned above, but I'm willing to BET there's hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people who are dead because they took a second poke at someone who's figured out that cops are useless. Hell, I bet some of those drums in Lake Mead are people who farked around and found out.

Fark cops. I'll never call a cop again, except if it's an insurable incident.
 
2022-08-07 11:40:40 PM  
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2022-08-08 12:02:05 AM  

Loucifer: Cheat sheet
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I'm not generally a donut guy. Sure, I'll have one if someone brings them, but I don't go out of my way for one. Anyways, I just had my goodnight bowl, and after seeing that picture, I want to go out of my way for a donut.
 
2022-08-08 12:12:02 AM  

Captain Orr: One interesting option might be to simply toss the results of *everyone* taking this exam as it is "tainted" and retest the entire lot under more strict conditions. Those who passed on the initial test and failed miserably on the retest probably deserve extra scrutiny to see if:

a) they aligned with the day 1/day 2 ordering
b) they were on the receiving end of any text chains with the test information
c) there is any statistical significance to the questions they got right & the questions they received in the text

I would also like to see if there's any code of conduct or testing regulations regarding the dissemination of the test questions or answers. I would have to believe there is, given even common tests like the SAT have such clauses. If so, every single cop who *sent* a text with the test information should be immediately reprimanded (including rescinding any promotion they might have gotten by passing the test).


I took the fireman test once and it was tossed out for cheating.  Every single person who took it had it tossed and it pissed me off because you have to pay to take the test.
Yes toss it all, anyone who sent or received a text be permanently banned from ever taking it again.
 
2022-08-08 12:21:44 AM  
If I was taking a test with 12000 other people to get a limited number of positions and one of the criteria was to have the highest scores on this test which has not been given in 5 years I sure as hell would not be sending out the questions to my peers.

Anyone who sent questions should be banned from any position where decision making is part of the job because obviously they cannot figure out the consequences of their actions.

Having a lower score than your peers puts you further down the list and since there was enough of this that it was obvious you should be able to filter out a massive number of unqualified people.

People are just really stupid and I never get tired of reading about it.  It gives me lots of examples to show my kids on what not to do and why.
 
2022-08-08 12:35:17 AM  
Before my Dad retired it was common practice for the Upper Brass aka Chief and Asst Chief to give "Study" Guides to the officers that they wanted to promote to Sargent and Detective. If you got one of them you essentially had all the correct answers for the exams making it nearly impossible for anyone they didn't choose to get on the promotion list.
 
2022-08-08 1:20:56 AM  
I thought Commissioner Reagan had higher standards than that.

*heavy and prolonged sigh*
 
2022-08-08 2:12:00 AM  
"Grueling 4½ test?" Grueling? Fark right off. Take the MCAT or a bar exam or a CPA exam.
/only took one
//friends took the other two
///CPA was the longest at 3 eight-hour days
 
2022-08-08 2:14:04 AM  

indy_kid: mrmopar5287: If this is to be a test with objective scoring criteria, it has to be the same questions and answers given to all people testing. If you give different versions of the test, you no longer have an objective scoring criteria because some people got a harder or easier versions of the test.

If they've done their testing properly, there should be a large database of questions that they can draw from.

The people creating the test should have stats on each question, so that it's possible to use different questions of equal difficulty on different tests.

However, given how they farked up this test, I doubt experienced test developers were involved.

Give the first day the sergeant test used in Buffalo, and the second day gets the test used in Yonkers.

Or decimate the test-takers, and run the exam again. If they cheat again, decimate the remainder. Repeat as necessary.


You are making the assumption that they want a properly controlled test environment.  The very system is designed for the exact opposite.  They can ensure whomever they want to pass will pass.
 
2022-08-08 2:20:41 AM  

OgreMagi: indy_kid: mrmopar5287: If this is to be a test with objective scoring criteria, it has to be the same questions and answers given to all people testing. If you give different versions of the test, you no longer have an objective scoring criteria because some people got a harder or easier versions of the test.

If they've done their testing properly, there should be a large database of questions that they can draw from.

The people creating the test should have stats on each question, so that it's possible to use different questions of equal difficulty on different tests.

However, given how they farked up this test, I doubt experienced test developers were involved.

Give the first day the sergeant test used in Buffalo, and the second day gets the test used in Yonkers.

Or decimate the test-takers, and run the exam again. If they cheat again, decimate the remainder. Repeat as necessary.

You are making the assumption that they want a properly controlled test environment.  The very system is designed for the exact opposite.  They can ensure whomever they want to pass will pass.


That would indeed be the answer.  Their ideal would be just promoting whoever they want to - cronyism at it's finest - but since there has to be a test this shiat is what we get.  Those who get the nod will have the relevant answers beforehand, those who do not, will not.  Some real swots will sneak in that way, but mostly they can keep things under their control

/the moral of this story?
//you need a rabbi
///and no, it has nothing at all to do with religion
 
2022-08-08 3:35:38 AM  

PhoenixFarker: "Grueling 4½ test?" Grueling? Fark right off. Take the MCAT or a bar exam or a CPA exam.
/only took one
//friends took the other two
///CPA was the longest at 3 eight-hour days


CSB(ish) time:

Back in the day, to get an industrial first aid ticket (the one to go be a band-aid in the bush) there used to be a physical requirement.

Since I'm in BC, they waived(ish) that requirement so that craft service wonks from the film industry would qualify, because they had to have an OFA, but all their "medics" were chow hounds. BC always kept an actual ambulance on shoot, so the "medic" from craft service was a joke, but we all had to suffer with the reg change.

I did a re-cert with a fat fark who'd get down in the now-deprecated "hold spinal" position, and his gut hit the ground right at his elbows. Like, literally, from the side, his arms occluded his gut, and his gut was on the ground from elbows to knees. Ask this fat piece of shiat to run up 2 flights of stairs with his kit and he'd probably code.

Fat fark wheezed his way through everything. At the time, I was working wildland fire and oil rigs so the instructor made sure I never worked with him. Yes, that was the same qualification, if you can believe it.

The farker who set those requirements retired recently, and suddenly BC's standards LEAPED ahead, but that's another story...

Point is, there's tests, then there's reality :P Some careers have slightly steeper reality curves than others, but we all have them ;)

If you're craft service in BC, I will call your fat arse out every time. You're not a medic, you're a waiter with delusions of grandeur.

/gruelling means someone else's blood up to your elbows
//I passed reality, no other test matters
///the career call. the mess where you decide if you can do this or not. No class can replicate it.
//don't ask me how to do this without, say, dropping a hand sledge on the tool push from the monkeyboards on a double.
/if you parsed that, you winced hard.
 
2022-08-08 3:37:06 AM  

mrmopar5287: If this is to be a test with objective scoring criteria, it has to be the same questions and answers given to all people testing. If you give different versions of the test, you no longer have an objective scoring criteria because some people got a harder or easier versions of the test.


Nope. You can have the same test with slightly different questions, or even radically different questions if the difficulty level is the same. The military does it wit the ASVAB. Online schools do it as well. You have a number of buckets of questions with differing difficulty and have a computer randomly draw out a predetermined number from each bucket. It's not rocket science.
 
2022-08-08 4:03:00 AM  

NotARocketScientist: mrmopar5287: If this is to be a test with objective scoring criteria, it has to be the same questions and answers given to all people testing. If you give different versions of the test, you no longer have an objective scoring criteria because some people got a harder or easier versions of the test.

Nope. You can have the same test with slightly different questions, or even radically different questions if the difficulty level is the same. The military does it wit the ASVAB. Online schools do it as well. You have a number of buckets of questions with differing difficulty and have a computer randomly draw out a predetermined number from each bucket. It's not rocket science.


The written test from the OFA I mentioned above does this. There's pretty hard cuts at 70, 80, and 90% because the test is designed to show who's been paying attention. If you make over 90% on the written, you were definitely reading the damn book. Written scores tend to cluster just above the cuts, unless you're insane and you're scoring over 90%.

The test bank has someplace north of 5k questions for a 100 question test. When you're into the +90 stuff, it's literally parsing some very specific language regarding a given scenario, and for people who've never played in the first aid pool, it's basically asking if the guy was hit by a truck at 15 kph or a car at 30 kph. Yes, there's a difference. That's what we're testing.

/tended to score 95%+
//I'm not in it any more because PTSD is real
///I like my machines. They don't stop screaming when it gets bad
//I wasn't kidding about the blood, or the hand sledge
/I just run 'em. But if I say the machine needs help, believe me
 
2022-08-08 4:13:37 AM  
How dare you disrespect the Thin Blue Line of Heroes who are Held to a Higher Standard!
 
2022-08-08 5:28:16 AM  
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6, What are the two worst things that can happen when you shoot an unarmed black person in the back fifteen times?

7. What are names for pot that only cops use?

8. What is the most important thing you need to know in order to brown-nose the chief?

9. What happens to officers who think the law matters more than our brotherhood?

10. What rank should you be promoted to after killing your 5th minority teenager?

11. In what situations should you delete your dash camera footage ASAP?

12. What are some common nicknames for the white supremacist groups we all belong to?

13. What do we tell people after we seize and delete any security camera footage that recorded you peeing on the corpse of the homeless person that you set on fire?

14. What is our code phrase for "I choked someone to death?"

15. What do you always want to make sure of before killing unarmed civilians?

14 (I can count to coptato).  What's a good source of bribe money from rich people who are high on cocaine?
 
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