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(CNN)   Well that about wraps it up for the sea turtles. Thanks to climate change heat waves, 99% of sea turtle hatchlings are female, and Florida scientists haven't seen a male hatchling in four years. Sad tag doesn't begin to cover it   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-08-07 3:15:48 PM  
( ._.)
we suck

there was a tv show here some years ago called Last Chance To See, narrated by Stephen Fry.  Each episode was about a species on the brink of extinction.
one was about the Yangtze River dolphin, which was declared extinct just after the series drew to a close, if not while it was airing.  can't remember zackly.

I didn't watch any of it...  a relentless cataloguing of our failures.  a parade of unique evolutionary miracles, brutally extinguished.
knowing about it's sad enough, not gonna seek that spectacle out.
 
2022-08-07 3:55:47 PM  
1% of male turtles ecstatic at their prospects.
 
2022-08-07 3:59:42 PM  

plecos: 1% of male turtles ecstatic at their prospects.


lol

[smooths combover, straightens spectacles]
'finally!'
 
2022-08-07 4:02:53 PM  

Lady J: ( ._.)
we suck

there was a tv show here some years ago called Last Chance To See, narrated by Stephen Fry.  Each episode was about a species on the brink of extinction.
one was about the Yangtze River dolphin, which was declared extinct just after the series drew to a close, if not while it was airing.  can't remember zackly.

I didn't watch any of it...  a relentless cataloguing of our failures.  a parade of unique evolutionary miracles, brutally extinguished.
knowing about it's sad enough, not gonna seek that spectacle out.


Was Last Chance to See based off the Douglas Adam's book? I loved that book...
 
2022-08-07 4:04:55 PM  

Lady J: ( ._.)
we suck

there was a tv show here some years ago called Last Chance To See, narrated by Stephen Fry.  Each episode was about a species on the brink of extinction.
one was about the Yangtze River dolphin, which was declared extinct just after the series drew to a close, if not while it was airing.  can't remember zackly.

I didn't watch any of it...  a relentless cataloguing of our failures.  a parade of unique evolutionary miracles, brutally extinguished.
knowing about it's sad enough, not gonna seek that spectacle out.


Turtles have made a comeback PR.

I don't think anyone is checking their sex though. But there seems to be a lot of nests on the beaches.

Someone's getting lucky
 
2022-08-07 4:05:41 PM  
Future generations will be wondering what that Dana Carvey movie was even making fun of.
 
2022-08-07 4:33:06 PM  

yohohogreengiant: Lady J: ( ._.)
we suck

there was a tv show here some years ago called Last Chance To See, narrated by Stephen Fry.  Each episode was about a species on the brink of extinction.
one was about the Yangtze River dolphin, which was declared extinct just after the series drew to a close, if not while it was airing.  can't remember zackly.

I didn't watch any of it...  a relentless cataloguing of our failures.  a parade of unique evolutionary miracles, brutally extinguished.
knowing about it's sad enough, not gonna seek that spectacle out.

Turtles have made a comeback PR.

I don't think anyone is checking their sex though. But there seems to be a lot of nests on the beaches.

Someone's getting lucky


PR = puerto rico ?

wherever it is, also subject to climate.  qed... all else being equal... there's gonna be a real long queue for the lady turtle loos there as well
 
2022-08-07 6:42:30 PM  
They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.
 
2022-08-07 8:11:57 PM  

Ivo Shandor: They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.


Thanks for thinking beyond despair.
 
2022-08-07 8:13:24 PM  
This takes #MasculinitySoFragile to new heights.
 
2022-08-07 8:17:51 PM  
We are a plague on this planet.
 
2022-08-07 8:18:21 PM  
but if you bring them where the water is cool....won't this just cause 'shrinkage' ??  !. !.
 
2022-08-07 8:18:24 PM  

yohohogreengiant: Lady J: ( ._.)
we suck

there was a tv show here some years ago called Last Chance To See, narrated by Stephen Fry.  Each episode was about a species on the brink of extinction.
one was about the Yangtze River dolphin, which was declared extinct just after the series drew to a close, if not while it was airing.  can't remember zackly.

I didn't watch any of it...  a relentless cataloguing of our failures.  a parade of unique evolutionary miracles, brutally extinguished.
knowing about it's sad enough, not gonna seek that spectacle out.

Turtles have made a comeback PR.

I don't think anyone is checking their sex though. But there seems to be a lot of nests on the beaches.

Someone's getting lucky


Even without humans very few of those turtles make it across the beach and through the ocean without getting snatched by another animal.
 
2022-08-07 8:22:16 PM  
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2022-08-07 8:24:38 PM  
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Alas, poor Martha, I hardly knew ye
 
2022-08-07 8:24:40 PM  

plecos: 1% of male turtles ecstatic at their prospects.


They've seen this movie before...

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2022-08-07 8:25:48 PM  
In some towns on the Pacific coast in Mexican the rescue agencies have hotlines to call for anyone who finds a nest.  They go collect the eggs and hatch them in a secure facility to protect them from poachers, then release to the water's edge around sunset when they hatch to give them a better chance.  It's a high level of intervention but its seems to be effective.  I imagine if they aren't already keeping them in a semi temperature controlled  environment that will be the next step to ensure appropriately balance of sexes.  They already do that with crocs in captive breeding.

I have mixed feelings on the tourism aspect of it all because on the one hand having people donate $25 to get to participate in a release program or meet ambassador animals is a primary funding source...  But on the other hand the footprint of intentional tourism in general is pretty gross.
 
2022-08-07 8:27:28 PM  
Many years ago I was on vacation in Cancun. I went out for a walk on the beach at night, and saw some people with buckets. When I got close they asked if I wanted to help release some newly hatched sea turtles. (Hell yes!)

They collect them right after they're laid and incubate them so they aren't damaged by tourists and can be released safely with a minimum of predators. You just carry them down to the surf and let them go. It was awesome.
 
2022-08-07 8:28:37 PM  
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with a turtle warning...
 
2022-08-07 8:28:37 PM  
That movie? Children of Turtles
 
2022-08-07 8:29:07 PM  

LydiaPreziosa: Ivo Shandor: They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.

Thanks for thinking beyond despair.


I like turtles.
 
2022-08-07 8:30:15 PM  

X-Geek: Many years ago I was on vacation in Cancun. I went out for a walk on the beach at night, and saw some people with buckets. When I got close they asked if I wanted to help release some newly hatched sea turtles. (Hell yes!)

They collect them right after they're laid and incubate them so they aren't damaged by tourists and can be released safely with a minimum of predators. You just carry them down to the surf and let them go. It was awesome.


I don't recall asking, but I'm pretty sure they were part of an official conservation group.
 
2022-08-07 8:31:03 PM  
The good news is that they may just live long enough on an individual basis  to see their greatest threat destroy itself....

//well, good news if you're a little nihilistic. And for the turtles.
 
2022-08-07 8:31:32 PM  
This is all part of his stiggnit to the Democrats.
 
2022-08-07 8:33:24 PM  

Ivo Shandor: LydiaPreziosa: Ivo Shandor: They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.

Thanks for thinking beyond despair.

I like turtles.


But the question is, are you a turtle?
 
2022-08-07 8:33:47 PM  
Sorry, kid. Better luck in the next cycle.
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2022-08-07 8:34:41 PM  

Best in this World: We are a plague on this planet.


Who the fark is 'we'? I accept no blame whatsoever.
 
2022-08-07 8:34:50 PM  

plecos: 1% of male turtles ecstatic at their prospects.


What part of "not if you were the last sea turtle on Earth" did you not understand?
 
2022-08-07 8:36:08 PM  
This is not an issue. Sea turtles range pretty far. Increasing the number of females is actually a boon for the turtles. They live over 40 years and if warm years yield more females the population will actually increase. Don't need that many males around.
 
2022-08-07 8:37:51 PM  

Ivo Shandor: LydiaPreziosa: Ivo Shandor: They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.

Thanks for thinking beyond despair.

I like turtles.


You are not alone
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2022-08-07 8:38:57 PM  

Best in this World: We are a plague on this planet.


I always find this perspective very odd. We may be detrimental to an environment that can support us and a host of other current species but we aren't going to destroy the planet, kill all life, or even really rank in the top three for cataclysmic events that have befallen this planet.  If you really think the human is a parasite that should be wiped out, ignore all the climate change warnings, roll coal, and do whatever you can to accelerate the famine and death we expect climate change will cause. Then, once we've destroyed ourselves, new and existing species will flourish without us, even if it is on a dramatically different planet then we know now.
 
2022-08-07 8:39:02 PM  

LydiaPreziosa: Ivo Shandor: They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.

Thanks for thinking beyond despair.



At the Turtle Islands National Park in Malaysia, they basically let the mother turtles do their nesting thing and, once the mother has returned to the sea, carefully dig up the eggs and put them in hatcheries. Once they hatch, the babies are taken to the beach and released. The humans thus control the hatchlings' male/female numbers, and more baby turtles make it to the water (but the predators aren't cut out entirely, some nests are left to hatch naturally).

/mostly green sea turtles plus some hawkbills IIRC
//a visit during nesting season is a cool experience, would recommend (assuming they still do that)
 
2022-08-07 8:44:35 PM  
The Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission should announce that native sea turtles are an invasive species hazardous to the environment, so the idiots who bred and released Burmese pythons in the Everglades will do the same for the sea turtles.
 
2022-08-07 8:46:24 PM  
"You're implying that a group composed entirely of female animals will... breed?"

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2022-08-07 8:47:24 PM  

plecos: 1% of male turtles ecstatic at their prospects.


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2022-08-07 9:00:47 PM  
Got to swim with one of these wonderful creatures about a decade ago whilst on St. John, USVI. Swimming pool water, aquarium fish, and the turtle. Awesome.
 
2022-08-07 9:01:12 PM  

lithven: Best in this World: We are a plague on this planet.

I always find this perspective very odd. We may be detrimental to an environment that can support us and a host of other current species but we aren't going to destroy the planet, kill all life, or even really rank in the top three for cataclysmic events that have befallen this planet.  If you really think the human is a parasite that should be wiped out, ignore all the climate change warnings, roll coal, and do whatever you can to accelerate the famine and death we expect climate change will cause. Then, once we've destroyed ourselves, new and existing species will flourish without us, even if it is on a dramatically different planet then we know now.



"Planet" in this sentence would presumably be a metonym for the existing/recent web of life on the planet. It would not refer to, say, lava. No one thinks humans are a plague upon lava.

/incidentally, the metaphorical usage of "plague" is not exclusive to the worst three things that have ever happened
//nor does it imply 100% mortality
///personally I prefer to continue having humans, some of them are okay
////plus humans are the only ones showing any inclination at all to leave the planet
 
2022-08-07 9:04:49 PM  
All I'm saying is that male sea turtles seemed to be doing fine before women could vote
 
2022-08-07 9:06:38 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: All I'm saying is that male sea turtles seemed to be doing fine before women could vote


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2022-08-07 9:15:16 PM  

Ivo Shandor: God-is-a-Taco: All I'm saying is that male sea turtles seemed to be doing fine before women could vote

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I'm glad someone brought that up because I was trying to think of a kosher way to suggest this was all part of the plan.

Who's plan? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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2022-08-07 9:21:36 PM  
I preferred the earlier Where Sea Turtles Went Wrong, Some More of Sea Turtles' Greatest Mistakes and Who Are These Sea Turtle People Anyway?
 
2022-08-07 9:25:53 PM  

covfefe: Future generations will be wondering what that Dana Carvey movie was even making fun of.


Depends on whether McConnell eventually succeeds in his lich transformation.  We may have undead Congressional Turtle still in the Senate by the time our great grandchildren can vote.
 
2022-08-07 9:26:22 PM  

madgonad: This is not an issue. Sea turtles range pretty far. Increasing the number of females is actually a boon for the turtles. They live over 40 years and if warm years yield more females the population will actually increase. Don't need that many males around.


Tell all those biologists that. They'll be so relieved.
 
2022-08-07 9:31:32 PM  
 
2022-08-07 9:33:12 PM  

Ivo Shandor: They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.


I was thinking it would be better to construct a cooled facility and move the eggs into it.  They could also be protected from predation that way and thus reduce the number that needed protection.

foxy_canuck: I have mixed feelings on the tourism aspect of it all because on the one hand having people donate $25 to get to participate in a release program or meet ambassador animals is a primary funding source... But on the other hand the footprint of intentional tourism in general is pretty gross.


I doubt people are traveling there just for the turtles--it's something to do when you're there, it's not a reason to go there.
 
2022-08-07 9:33:37 PM  
Don't tie your reproductive boat to the temperature.
Durhurrr
 
2022-08-07 9:44:02 PM  

Ivo Shandor: LydiaPreziosa: Ivo Shandor: They could try cooling one section of a beach after the turtles lay their eggs. Bury some hoses just below the sand and circulate chilled water (either a closed-loop refrigeration system or pumped from deeper offshore). Power it with solar panels above the beach to also provide shade. If they could get 10% to turn out male it would be a lot better than the current situation.

Or move some of the eggs north to a beach with cooler average temperatures.

Thanks for thinking beyond despair.

I like turtles.


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