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(Retraction Watch)   UCLA veteran researcher faked data in 11 grant applications, but only 3 were approved for a paltry $58.7 million. There's no money to be made in research   (retractionwatch.com) divider line
    More: Awkward, Flow cytometry, Fundraising, Janina Jiang, Scientific misconduct, UCLA's pathology, UCLA affiliate hospital Cedars Sinai, extent of Jiang, 10-year veteran of the University of California  
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563 clicks; posted to STEM » on 07 Aug 2022 at 8:50 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-07 5:48:12 PM  
The extent of Jiang's part in that application and the extent to which they led to the success of the grant is unclear, but it seems likely they were a minor contribution.


research costs money subby
 
2022-08-07 7:48:54 PM  
I doubt he got to take the grant money home.  although in fairness, dnrtfa, as is decreed.
 
2022-08-07 8:05:24 PM  
Science is business. Big science is big business.

A whole lot of high ground has been claimed by science over the past two decades, and almost all of it is justified. Unfortunately, we have people like Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz and Uri Geller a whole lot of other people trying to put on the cape of fake science and a lot of scientists faking real science too. That is probably the tip of the science fraud iceberg, though. They defraud people at the retail level. There is a ton of fraud at the wholesale level, too.

Some fraud will be related to money and job security and prestige. I predict a huge wave of academic fraud, and not just from China and India. Grade inflation and a decline of academic standards, along with increased politicization of.... even epidemiology... are going to lead to some very bad behavior in the science community in the coming years.

Some fraud will be ideology based. There are parallels in history. In nazi Germany you had this weird sequestration of science to lock out whatever they thought was semitic. Soviet science in virtually all fields was affected. China will almost certainly start cranking out nationalist/racist studies at some point.

Some fraud will just be designed to prop up particular companies and industries. Big tobacco. Big oil. Big medicine. Get ready for bitcoin, batteries, particular environment-friendly industries, etc.
 
2022-08-07 9:08:23 PM  
Cool meme, subby.
 
2022-08-07 9:27:33 PM  

Lady J: I doubt he got to take the grant money home.  although in fairness, dnrtfa, as is decreed.


She.

And no, she didn't. UCLA kept the money and used it for research. The researcher in question left there 4 years ago.

Which means this is only coming to light now because somebody -- probably a rival scientist or somebody she screwed over -- decided to make this public. The press release is just the background radiation from all the shiat hitting the fan behind closed doors, shiat into which Jiang and her career are now dipped.
 
2022-08-07 9:36:46 PM  

akallen404: Lady J: I doubt he got to take the grant money home.  although in fairness, dnrtfa, as is decreed.

She.

And no, she didn't. UCLA kept the money and used it for research. The researcher in question left there 4 years ago.

Which means this is only coming to light now because somebody -- probably a rival scientist or somebody she screwed over -- decided to make this public. The press release is just the background radiation from all the shiat hitting the fan behind closed doors, shiat into which Jiang and her career are now dipped.


Actually, more likely was that someone based additional research on her findings, things looked really wonky, and they tried to replicate the initial findings and couldn't. Then they let UCLA know, and the shiat proceeded to hit the fan.
 
2022-08-07 9:37:26 PM  

2fardownthread: China will almost certainly start cranking out nationalist/racist studies at some point.


It already started some time ago. Basically no medical studies conducted inside China are accepted by the scientific community outside China.
 
2022-08-07 9:58:25 PM  
A grant being funded is not the same thing as "making money", subby.

Grant expenditure has to be line-itemed and reported to the point that Universities will sometimes nix the really small grant proposals because the man-hours necessary to do the damned paperwork for reporting will use up most of the money in question (grad students aren't paid much, but they're still paid).  In the case of federal and state grants (not just literally from NSF etc itself, but also any state or federal agency involved in shiat, most frequently the DOJ) also come with a hard limit on how much of a grant can be used for what purpose, and the limit on how much can be used to salary or stipend the researchers involved and any individual researcher is often harshly low, and limited further or outright banned if those researchers are also receiving any salary-equivalent pay from any other funding source.

This isn't to say that there's no financial motivation behind this person farking up and deciding to cut corners far beyond acceptable levels: unlike the grad students doing the actual work, advisors filing the grant proposals generally aren't paid out of grant money if they're at an actual university: they're paid a salary directly by the university, and requests for raises and sometimes even mandatory tenure reviews can explicitly be predicated on how many of your grant proposals have been accepted since the last review.

// If they're a researcher at a lab / non-teaching campus they usually are directly paid out of grant money, but that's not what this person was up to.  Also if you're at a pure research campus the kinds of grants you're requesting tend to be significantly different in structure and subject.
 
2022-08-07 10:01:22 PM  

Klyukva: 2fardownthread: China will almost certainly start cranking out nationalist/racist studies at some point.

It already started some time ago. Basically no medical studies conducted inside China are accepted by the scientific community outside China.


I dunno - their studies on psych manipulation and ideological indoctrination would probably be pretty solid

/horrifying farking shiat, but good data
//good used only in the sense of, "valid observed data"
///not in any moral or ethical sense
 
2022-08-07 11:17:13 PM  
Disband the recipients. Disband UCLA and revoke all diplomas issued by the university.  Ever.

Make every persxn at the university responsible for every other persxn.  Make suffering mean something.  Make people committed to excellence.

Problem solved.
 
2022-08-08 2:26:01 AM  

greatgodyoshi: akallen404: Lady J: I doubt he got to take the grant money home.  although in fairness, dnrtfa, as is decreed.

She.

And no, she didn't. UCLA kept the money and used it for research. The researcher in question left there 4 years ago.

Which means this is only coming to light now because somebody -- probably a rival scientist or somebody she screwed over -- decided to make this public. The press release is just the background radiation from all the shiat hitting the fan behind closed doors, shiat into which Jiang and her career are now dipped.

Actually, more likely was that someone based additional research on her findings, things looked really wonky, and they tried to replicate the initial findings and couldn't. Then they let UCLA know, and the shiat proceeded to hit the fan.


Article says it was brought to their attention through a complaint, but ALSO implies that UCLA only acted on the complaint because the Federal Government got involved.

When this happens against an organization, they call it "whistleblowing." So unless UCLA is scapegoating her (and they might be) somebody blew the whistle on HER SPECIFICALLY.

Academia has no shortage of career pissing matches that ended up this way. Rosiland Franklin vs James Crick is one of the more famous examples.
 
2022-08-08 4:11:38 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Disband the recipients. Disband UCLA and revoke all diplomas issued by the university.  Ever.

Make every persxn at the university responsible for every other persxn.  Make suffering mean something.  Make people committed to excellence.

Problem solved.



Still angry they require a high school diploma for acceptance aren't ya?
 
2022-08-08 10:13:17 AM  

akallen404: greatgodyoshi: akallen404: Lady J: I doubt he got to take the grant money home.  although in fairness, dnrtfa, as is decreed.

She.

And no, she didn't. UCLA kept the money and used it for research. The researcher in question left there 4 years ago.

Which means this is only coming to light now because somebody -- probably a rival scientist or somebody she screwed over -- decided to make this public. The press release is just the background radiation from all the shiat hitting the fan behind closed doors, shiat into which Jiang and her career are now dipped.

Actually, more likely was that someone based additional research on her findings, things looked really wonky, and they tried to replicate the initial findings and couldn't. Then they let UCLA know, and the shiat proceeded to hit the fan.

Article says it was brought to their attention through a complaint, but ALSO implies that UCLA only acted on the complaint because the Federal Government got involved.

When this happens against an organization, they call it "whistleblowing." So unless UCLA is scapegoating her (and they might be) somebody blew the whistle on HER SPECIFICALLY.

Academia has no shortage of career pissing matches that ended up this way. Rosiland Franklin vs James Crick is one of the more famous examples.


Almost had to be an outside complaint, because she was pretty successful at collecting grant money for UCLA.  So less likely "scape-goating" than "ass-covering".
 
2022-08-08 11:44:58 AM  
Nobody fakes results just to get grant funding. I know because I read it here on Fark.

There are also no trolls on Fark, I read that here too.
 
2022-08-08 6:31:04 PM  
The replication crisis (also called the replicability crisis and the reproducibility crisis) is an ongoing methodological crisis in which it has been found that the results of many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to reproduce. Because the reproducibility of empirical results is an essential part of the scientific method,[2] such failures undermine the credibility of theories building on them and potentially call into question substantial parts of scientific knowledge.

It's so weird though...because I've been told capitalism is what makes people do bad things. These are (mostly) publicly funded institutions largely fighting over pubic funds.
 
2022-08-08 7:36:53 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The replication crisis (also called the replicability crisis and the reproducibility crisis) is an ongoing methodological crisis in which it has been found that the results of many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to reproduce. Because the reproducibility of empirical results is an essential part of the scientific method,[2] such failures undermine the credibility of theories building on them and potentially call into question substantial parts of scientific knowledge.

It's so weird though...because I've been told capitalism is what makes people do bad things. These are (mostly) publicly funded institutions largely fighting over pubic funds.


I've been told that people will be deliberately obtuse to make some kind of political jab.

It's primarily fear (personal security) and greed (personal gain) make people do unethical things in business.  In this case applying for grants of public money is the business end of the science.
 
2022-08-09 3:16:53 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The replication crisis (also called the replicability crisis and the reproducibility crisis) is an ongoing methodological crisis in which it has been found that the results of many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to reproduce. Because the reproducibility of empirical results is an essential part of the scientific method,[2] such failures undermine the credibility of theories building on them and potentially call into question substantial parts of scientific knowledge.

It's so weird though...because I've been told capitalism is what makes people do bad things. These are (mostly) publicly funded institutions largely fighting over pubic funds.


Tell me more about these pubic funds
 
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