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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Peter Jackson was cut out of Amazon's adaptation of Elf Walk   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2022-08-06 6:25:25 AM  
They didn't want to spend 3 seasons on the 4th of 7 dwarf rings?
 
2022-08-06 6:26:51 AM  
This is going to be an epic contest to see which one sucks more. Rings of Power or House of the Dragon?
 
2022-08-06 7:00:19 AM  
sign says stay away fools
because we're heading on down
to the elf walk
 
2022-08-06 7:05:00 AM  
Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.
 
2022-08-06 7:55:50 AM  
So at least there should be no squirrel droppings.
 
2022-08-06 8:03:54 AM  
After the disaster that The Hobbit movies, good. It will still probably suck, but after those movies I don't have faith in his writing within Middle Earth.
 
2022-08-06 9:18:20 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.


This is the thing that baffles me. I know the Tolkien name has value. But if you want to make a generic Tolkien themed fantasy story there's basically the entire genre that ripped him off that you can go play in
 
2022-08-06 9:19:14 AM  

dsmith42: After the disaster that The Hobbit movies, good. It will still probably suck, but after those movies I don't have faith in his writing within Middle Earth.


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2022-08-06 9:37:01 AM  
Are the fark Comic Book Men going to go into detail as to why I should give a shiat if that fat hobbit wasn't involved?
 
2022-08-06 9:43:58 AM  
fark me, if they're just gonna nurse at the Tolkien money tit making shiat up why don't they go all in and have more fun with it?  Mr. Tom Bombadil, liberal hippy pacifist, inherits controlling interest in an orc mercenary company, with tons of hijinks as he and his whacked-out girlfriend Goldberry take down the military industrial complex from the inside!  Or gay Merry and Pippin run a pipe-weed store, but they're selling more than pipe-weed out of the back!  Will Shirriff Robin Smallburrow send them to the lockholes this week?  Or hell, a damn hobbit cooking show.  Those little farkers can stir up some groceries!
 
2022-08-06 9:51:11 AM  
Lengthity is the soul of wit.
 
2022-08-06 10:11:15 AM  
I just want to see a under 90 min scouring of the shire movie.
 
2022-08-06 10:25:54 AM  
A half hour sit-com centered around The Prancing Pony in Bree.
 
2022-08-06 10:26:20 AM  
The LotR movies are incredible films. The Hobbit films were doomed, GDT should've been kept on for a fresh take. I'm happy Jackson isn't involved in this series. After the show is out, I'll be back to say it needed more Antman.
 
2022-08-06 10:35:18 AM  
This is fine, honestly. Even within the box of adapting from the same author's source material, showrunners/film producers of different projects should follow their own creative vision/approach, not be beholden to someone else's.
 
2022-08-06 10:41:05 AM  

Crankpot: The LotR movies are incredible films. The Hobbit films were doomed, GDT should've been kept on for a fresh take. I'm happy Jackson isn't involved in this series. After the show is out, I'll be back to say it needed more Antman.


Antman's timey-wimey shrinko power lets him go to other times, maybe he can go to other universes, like the Tolkien universe.  That's one messed up crossover I don't want to see... mostly.  The dwarves would make Logan an honorary dwarf.  Hell, let's retcon Logan into a half-dwarf.  Groot being all hasty in Fanghorn Forest would be fun and Rocket in Hobbiton trying to buy a beer...
 
2022-08-06 10:52:56 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.


The History of Middle Earth series, while massive, shows that's not a thing as such.

There's not really a Tolkien canon, except what's in LOTR & Hobbit books. He only wrote 2-3 brief stories set in the second age, he only summarized major events in the second age, There's not a strict canon as such. The only Tolkien canon was Hobbit (which isn't fully part of the Legendarium, anyway, technically) & Lord of the Rings. Those two were finished because he had a contract & legally had to finish them - even after publication made was changing and tweaking both.

Silmarillion was his true life's passion & that's a collection of stories which he wrote, rewrote, changed, altered, rewrote from scratch, etc constantly from when he was a teenager to when he died. Half the versions contradict later versions. As he got older he actually wanted to completely rewrite Silmarillion & change almost everything,

Tolkien canon is basically a mass of stories about certain epic things that happen, but very few of them were set in stone. Just like Greek Myths, Norse myths, Roman myths, Chinese myths - & honestly, that's what he wanted. That's why he referred it to the Legendarium.

Tolkien admitted he had no problems with adaptations changing events, characters etc for media, but what he hated was people changing Motives. Sauron is not a lovable rogue. Aragorn is not a dark hero.
 
2022-08-06 11:07:15 AM  

neongoats: Are the fark Comic Book Men going to go into detail as to why I should give a shiat if that fat hobbit wasn't involved?


I don't think anyone was asking him to write or direct it. But his production company created a very definitive look and feel for Middle-earth, based mostly on the works of several key artists.

It's lunacy to reinvent that particular wheel. Bring him and his staff in for sets, props, clothing, and possibly even some of the cinematography. Then the new show could feel somewhat connected to the films while still avoiding a lot of the nonsensical storytelling from the Hobbit films.
 
2022-08-06 11:23:34 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.


As we have learned from The Hobbit movies (and to a lesser extent the LOTR films), things are alright as long as they stay as close as possible to Tolkien's written word. Every time they invent something new -- a new character, new plot point or storyline, a new setting or creature or backstory -- it's complete shiat.

This show? It's 95% all new. The only resemblance it has to anything Tolkien wrote are some character and place names.

Make of that what you will.
 
2022-08-06 11:33:14 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.

The History of Middle Earth series, while massive, shows that's not a thing as such.

There's not really a Tolkien canon, except what's in LOTR & Hobbit books. He only wrote 2-3 brief stories set in the second age, he only summarized major events in the second age, There's not a strict canon as such. The only Tolkien canon was Hobbit (which isn't fully part of the Legendarium, anyway, technically) & Lord of the Rings. Those two were finished because he had a contract & legally had to finish them - even after publication made was changing and tweaking both.

Silmarillion was his true life's passion & that's a collection of stories which he wrote, rewrote, changed, altered, rewrote from scratch, etc constantly from when he was a teenager to when he died. Half the versions contradict later versions. As he got older he actually wanted to completely rewrite Silmarillion & change almost everything,

Tolkien canon is basically a mass of stories about certain epic things that happen, but very few of them were set in stone. Just like Greek Myths, Norse myths, Roman myths, Chinese myths - & honestly, that's what he wanted. That's why he referred it to the Legendarium.

Tolkien admitted he had no problems with adaptations changing events, characters etc for media, but what he hated was people changing Motives. Sauron is not a lovable rogue. Aragorn is not a dark hero.


^

The only smart post in this thread so far.
 
2022-08-06 11:39:20 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: Silmarillion was his true life's passion & that's a collection of stories which he wrote, rewrote, changed, altered, rewrote from scratch, etc constantly from when he was a teenager to when he died. Half the versions contradict later versions. As he got older he actually wanted to completely rewrite Silmarillion & change almost everything,


Isn't that true of every mythology though?

There is no definitive version of Heracles. There is no official Illiad. The Greek gods constantly changed habits, behaviors, motives, and ambitious as each generation told and retold their stories, applying their own use cases, omitting or embellishing or exaggerating in accordance with each storyteller's biases and interests.

Mythology has always been an organic, living thing that grows in the telling, forking in different directions depending on era, location, language, or culture. That Tolkien was so indecisive about his own works suggests that not only did he know this, but he wanted his legendarium to have the same kind of stochastic ancientness to it, like a collective set of multiple worldlines that expanded like all old stories do when passed orally, iterating through each generation over a thousand years.
 
2022-08-06 11:43:41 AM  
"Mr. Jackson, we'd like your help with our new Tolkien series."

"Ah, of course. You'd like me to look over your scripts perhaps? Give them a little polish so they feel more in step with my own films?"

"No, we're actually working really hard to ensure they're NOT like your films, or at least not like those Hobbit ones. What we'd really like to do is pick your brain for some production tips. The show is costing us a fortune, but you famously brought in your Lord of the Rings trilogy for under 100mil a movie. What was your secret?"

"Oh, that's easy. It's actually one of the most expensive productions ever made, but I hid that by using a lot of slow motion. If you brought every scene back up to normal speed, you'd find I spent 300 million on less than an hour of screentime."

"Sir, you are a genius. An evil genius, but a genius nonetheless."
 
2022-08-06 11:45:26 AM  

clkeagle: But his production company created a very definitive look and feel for Middle-earth, based mostly on the works of several key artists.


That's Middle Earth at the end of the Third Age.  Much of the past is lost - either only remembered by a scant few immortal elves, distorted by legend or in crumbling ruins throughout the land.  The glory that was is gone - that's a major theme of the books.

This is (assuming the established timeline hasn't been monkeyed with), 4-5000 years in the past.  Things are brand new or young enough to still be lived in.

Personally I'm fine with "new content" if it fills in the gaps of the second age (which is, as pointed out above, only explored through a handful of stories) as long as they don't egregiously violate established lore.  I'm fine with Hobbits existing in the 2nd age because it's entirely possible that, like most of the Third age, no one of any  consequence knew of their existence or cared enough to write about them (it's certainly a better idea than just having them spring up out of nowhere at the beginning of the Third Age).
 
2022-08-06 11:46:58 AM  

Clash City Farker: This is going to be an epic contest to see which one sucks more. Rings of Power or House of the Dragon?


Bah gawd King, it's Rafe Judkin's out of nowhere with his Tire Fire of Time steel chair! He's snatched the belt and run with it!
 
2022-08-06 11:52:59 AM  
Gonna take Amazons show on its own merits when released. It may suck, but whether PJ is invovled or not I dont think really matters.
 
2022-08-06 11:53:04 AM  

clkeagle: neongoats: Are the fark Comic Book Men going to go into detail as to why I should give a shiat if that fat hobbit wasn't involved?

I don't think anyone was asking him to write or direct it. But his production company created a very definitive look and feel for Middle-earth, based mostly on the works of several key artists.

It's lunacy to reinvent that particular wheel. Bring him and his staff in for sets, props, clothing, and possibly even some of the cinematography. Then the new show could feel somewhat connected to the films while still avoiding a lot of the nonsensical storytelling from the Hobbit films.


I mean that's a point. But I would say that anyone working in special effects/costuming for a fantasy show has probably studied Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings exhaustively, probably took college courses on that literal exact specific subject, they were so defining to the industry. Nailing the art style was probably the least difficult thing the Bezos crew had to do.
 
2022-08-06 12:23:16 PM  
It's been retitled to *Woke of the Rings*
 
2022-08-06 12:25:08 PM  

Trik: It's been retitled to *Woke of the Rings*


Even you have to realize how lame that sounds. It's not even grammatically correct.
 
2022-08-06 12:25:48 PM  
You know what no one has ruined? Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser.

It can be like fantasy Californication set in fantasy Gotham with wacky pulp era fantasy adventures in between.

"why are they climbing an active volcano to capture a golden pteradactyl statue?" "they're trying to impress a girl at the tavern" "farkin a"
 
2022-08-06 12:27:02 PM  

Trik: It's been retitled to *Woke of the Rings*


Yes we know - anytime someone non aryan appears on screen you farking snowflakes whine about it being "Woke" when you're too farking stupid to even define it. Get the fark out.
 
2022-08-06 1:06:48 PM  

Fano: leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.

This is the thing that baffles me. I know the Tolkien name has value. But if you want to make a generic Tolkien themed fantasy story there's basically the entire genre that ripped him off that you can go play in


The problem is that to even make back your costs, a hitherto unknown fantasy series would need to be really, really.

It's far easier to lure in viewers by slapping the "Tolkien" name on your mediocre fan-fiction than it is to make a quality show with good writers and directors.
 
2022-08-06 1:10:45 PM  

WhippingBoi: Fano: leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.

This is the thing that baffles me. I know the Tolkien name has value. But if you want to make a generic Tolkien themed fantasy story there's basically the entire genre that ripped him off that you can go play in

The problem is that to even make back your costs, a hitherto unknown fantasy series would need to be really, really.

It's far easier to lure in viewers by slapping the "Tolkien" name on your mediocre fan-fiction than it is to make a quality show with good writers and directors.


I'm curious to see how they can recoup the billion dollars they set on fire obtaining the rights to make mediocre fan fiction from the scrapings of the appendices.
 
2022-08-06 1:11:15 PM  

Trik: It's been retitled to *Woke of the Rings*


"I sit on the floor and pick my nose
and think of dirty things
Of deviant dwarves who suck their toes
and elves who drub their dings.

I sit on the floor and pick my nose
and dream exotic dreams
Of dragons who dress in rubber clothes
and trolls who do it in teams.

I sit on the floor and pick my nose
and wish for a thrill or two
For a goblin who goes in for a few no-nos
Or an orc with a thing about glue.

And all of the while I sit and pick
I think of such jolly things
Of whips and screws and leather slacks
Of frottages and stings."
-- Bored of the Rings, Harvard Lampoon

Compared to that, your parody 'Woke of the Rings'" doesn't seem very funny, does it?
 
2022-08-06 1:16:29 PM  

Fano: WhippingBoi: Fano: leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.

This is the thing that baffles me. I know the Tolkien name has value. But if you want to make a generic Tolkien themed fantasy story there's basically the entire genre that ripped him off that you can go play in

The problem is that to even make back your costs, a hitherto unknown fantasy series would need to be really, really.

It's far easier to lure in viewers by slapping the "Tolkien" name on your mediocre fan-fiction than it is to make a quality show with good writers and directors.

I'm curious to see how they can recoup the billion dollars they set on fire obtaining the rights to make mediocre fan fiction from the scrapings of the appendices.


Yeah. I suspect that this is not going to go down as a sound financial decision.
 
2022-08-06 1:23:08 PM  
Amazon EXPOSED! LOTR: The Rings of Power is FAKE Tolkien | The Fandom is Undefeated
Youtube c2xwrqVn_SI
 
2022-08-06 1:26:42 PM  
Ok, lets just call it what it really is: *Bad Fan Fiction of the Rings*
 
2022-08-06 1:33:06 PM  
As long as he found a way to put his kids into every damn scene
 
2022-08-06 1:35:10 PM  
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2022-08-06 1:40:38 PM  

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The first episode will break viewing records, no question about that. People will be declaring it a "triumph", yada yada

The interesting thing will be to see how many people keep watching it once they realize it's fan fiction.
 
2022-08-06 1:52:22 PM  

Trik: It's been retitled to *Woke of the Rings*


That is maybe one of the worst attempts I've seen in 15 years of Farking.
 
2022-08-06 2:04:32 PM  

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The only way it will matter is if it brings in new subscribers.
Which I doubt will be enough to offset the cost of buying the rights and cost of production of this blatant disregard of the source material.

This literally LotRINO
 
2022-08-06 2:09:17 PM  
Lore Check: Evaluating Amazon's LOTR The Rings of Power
Youtube 8B2qI_MhLZQ

So, taking the legendarium and tossing it into Mt. Doom.
Fired a Tolkein scholar
Introducing fake characters that never appeared in any LoTR appendices
<sniff> - yep a dumpster fire.
 
2022-08-06 2:10:27 PM  
They saw the Hobbit trilogy?
 
2022-08-06 2:41:38 PM  
This will be what destroys Bezos.
 
2022-08-06 2:42:12 PM  
Most of the changes for PJs lotr I was fine with. It's an adaptation. (Bombadil and glorfindel weren't needed)
And even some of the Hobbit's additions didn't bother me.
There is lots of room for story telling and new characters.

However the stuff I can't abide are the wacky hijinks. The Legolas non-sensical super moves. The dwarves bouncing here and there and everywhere. Nobody tosses a dwarf b.s.
The thieving and cowardly magistrate in drag.

Silliness happens in the shire or around hobbits.
Everyone else has to play it straight.

If Amazon can keep the hijinks out and not make it a soap opera about elf romance and drama.. I think it could be good.
Im all for diversity, inclusion and representation. I just don't want any in world stories about it. Middle earth should not be a stand in for 2022 America.
The characters can be any race, color, orientation and gender but the plot should be about the peril of middle earth and the deception and manipulation caused by Sauron.

If they can land somewhere between lotr and GoT it will has a chance to be good.
 
2022-08-06 2:45:22 PM  
Also you should be watch In Deep Geek

Galadriel: A character study
Youtube KLy2T0pCqUE
 
2022-08-06 3:11:30 PM  

WhippingBoi: The problem is that to even make back your costs, a hitherto unknown fantasy series would need to be really, really.

It's far easier to lure in viewers by slapping the "Tolkien" name on your mediocre fan-fiction than it is to make a quality show with good writers and directors.


We're in an age where so many IPs are getting exploited, I'm not sure how much attention an established name brings anymore, especially to a streaming series. Nowadays it feels like it's just a matter of time before Netflix, Amazon, Disney+, etc, gets around to producing absolutely anything that's available to make.

Take the Sandman, for example. In the 90s or early 2000s, the announcement of a series would have been mindblowing. These days we take more of a wait and see attitude instead of just getting caught up in hopes and expectations. And I really think that's where most people fall on this new Tolkien series. If it's good, we'll watch it. If not, eh, whatever. They'll just quickly distract us with adaptations of something else, like the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant or Vonda Macintyre's Dreamsnake.
 
2022-08-06 3:20:52 PM  

WhippingBoi: Fano: WhippingBoi: Fano: leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.

This is the thing that baffles me. I know the Tolkien name has value. But if you want to make a generic Tolkien themed fantasy story there's basically the entire genre that ripped him off that you can go play in

The problem is that to even make back your costs, a hitherto unknown fantasy series would need to be really, really.

It's far easier to lure in viewers by slapping the "Tolkien" name on your mediocre fan-fiction than it is to make a quality show with good writers and directors.

I'm curious to see how they can recoup the billion dollars they set on fire obtaining the rights to make mediocre fan fiction from the scrapings of the appendices.

Yeah. I suspect that this is not going to go down as a sound financial decision.


As I think we were both trying to tell people in the previous thread, middle earth has a certain cachet because no one has played in the sandbox, and whatever value it has will not be like similar sales of Marvel or Star Wars which had large followings from all the teams of other writers over decades.
That is, while there are lots of mysteries (what were Alatar and Pallando up to? What were the nameless things that gnaw the earth?) there isn't a kitchen sink for people to play in. You can't just take middle earth and say "what if we made an evil guy worse than Sauron or Morgoth with some sort of doomsday weapon we can magick away?
 
2022-08-06 3:23:37 PM  

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The first episode will break viewing records, no question about that. People will be declaring it a "triumph", yada yada

The interesting thing will be to see how many people keep watching it once they realize it's fan fiction.


Even more interesting be the people stanning for it.

I grant, it is possible and it will be good, but based on the Hobbit (and even Shadows of Mordor which I liked but didn't really care for the plot twists) I am pretty confident I will not have to eat my words.
 
2022-08-06 3:27:17 PM  

Fano: WhippingBoi: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image image 612x408]

The first episode will break viewing records, no question about that. People will be declaring it a "triumph", yada yada

The interesting thing will be to see how many people keep watching it once they realize it's fan fiction.

Even more interesting be the people stanning for it.

I grant, it is possible and it will be good, but based on the Hobbit (and even Shadows of Mordor which I liked but didn't really care for the plot twists) I am pretty confident I will not have to eat my words.


The funny thing is, even if it was a true to lore adaptation of an actual Tolkien work (I guess the Silmarillion), I'm not sure how interested people would be in it. People flocked to Lord of the Rings because it was Lord of the Rings, not because it was a "Tolkien" story.
 
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