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2022-08-05 8:22:08 PM  
Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?
 
2022-08-05 9:49:09 PM  
Damn
Poor dude
 
2022-08-05 9:52:39 PM  
Dear God
 
2022-08-05 9:55:41 PM  
Tragic
 
2022-08-05 9:56:21 PM  
Jesus
 
2022-08-05 9:58:59 PM  

Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?


Pretty quick, but for only 3 of 13 to escape I'd say something else was involved. Gas maybe? Just guessing.
 
2022-08-05 9:59:47 PM  

Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?


Faster than you'd think. I'd also bet money there weren't any working smoke alarms in the house.
 
2022-08-05 9:59:52 PM  

Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?


Apparently everyone was tripping over dogs.
 
2022-08-05 10:01:52 PM  

Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?


Fourteen people living in a house, plus guests at the time apparently.  Looking at pictures on other news sites, this wasn't a mansion, just a normal sized house.  Clutter, panic, darkness, and smoke probably play a part as much as how fast the fire spread.  Adults scrambling around trying to corral kids and locate missing ones and end up passing out from inhalation.

Also, modern synthetics burn a lot faster than old solid wood furniture and other natural materials.  I can't remember exactly where, but some safety institute did a study and found a "modern" home's interior goes up in flames in a few minutes whereas older mid-century homes gave you like 15 minutes to get out.
 
2022-08-05 10:03:03 PM  
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But from what I can glean, this is horrendous.
 
2022-08-05 10:03:57 PM  

Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?


Depends on the fuel of the fire. Certain fabrics go up like fireworks, some have a great burn point. Depends on the construct of the house, materials used.... Fire is a wicked element.
 
2022-08-05 10:05:34 PM  

New Rising Sun: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Fourteen people living in a house, plus guests at the time apparently.  Looking at pictures on other news sites, this wasn't a mansion, just a normal sized house.  Clutter, panic, darkness, and smoke probably play a part as much as how fast the fire spread.  Adults scrambling around trying to corral kids and locate missing ones and end up passing out from inhalation.

Also, modern synthetics burn a lot faster than old solid wood furniture and other natural materials.  I can't remember exactly where, but some safety institute did a study and found a "modern" home's interior goes up in flames in a few minutes whereas older mid-century homes gave you like 15 minutes to get out.


I saw a video in the VHS era of a house going from perfectly fine to empty, barren space in 2 minutes and some seconds.

There's a reason we have fire drills.
 
2022-08-05 10:07:01 PM  

New Rising Sun: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Fourteen people living in a house, plus guests at the time apparently.  Looking at pictures on other news sites, this wasn't a mansion, just a normal sized house.  Clutter, panic, darkness, and smoke probably play a part as much as how fast the fire spread.  Adults scrambling around trying to corral kids and locate missing ones and end up passing out from inhalation.

Also, modern synthetics burn a lot faster than old solid wood furniture and other natural materials.  I can't remember exactly where, but some safety institute did a study and found a "modern" home's interior goes up in flames in a few minutes whereas older mid-century homes gave you like 15 minutes to get out.


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/733-1st-St-Nescopeck-PA-18635/53548233_zpid/

That is apparently the house in question. My understanding from what I've read is that there were 14 people living there, with 13 present at the time of the fire, plus 13 dogs, living in a house described as 1576 sq feet and 3 bedrooms, 1 bath. Since the fire was overnight, most would likely have been asleep, and densely packed into that space.
 
2022-08-05 10:11:28 PM  
Damn. No words.
 
2022-08-05 10:12:18 PM  

wxboy: New Rising Sun: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Fourteen people living in a house, plus guests at the time apparently.  Looking at pictures on other news sites, this wasn't a mansion, just a normal sized house.  Clutter, panic, darkness, and smoke probably play a part as much as how fast the fire spread.  Adults scrambling around trying to corral kids and locate missing ones and end up passing out from inhalation.

Also, modern synthetics burn a lot faster than old solid wood furniture and other natural materials.  I can't remember exactly where, but some safety institute did a study and found a "modern" home's interior goes up in flames in a few minutes whereas older mid-century homes gave you like 15 minutes to get out.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/733-1st-St-Nescopeck-PA-18635/53548233_zpid/

That is apparently the house in question. My understanding from what I've read is that there were 14 people living there, with 13 present at the time of the fire, plus 13 dogs, living in a house described as 1576 sq feet and 3 bedrooms, 1 bath. Since the fire was overnight, most would likely have been asleep, and densely packed into that space.


Yep - asleep and in the dark + smoke = instant unholy disorientation.  You fumble around in the dark a bit, the smoke inhalation gets you, and down you do.  Especially burning synthetic shiat, a lot of that stuff produces seriously nasty toxic fumes to add to the hellscape.  Add central air/heat and it's just shoving the smoke everywhere.  Sounds like no one woke up before it the smoke was bad enough to cause unconsciousness and eventual death, or if they did they didn't get far in the dark and smoke murk
 
2022-08-05 10:15:17 PM  
Well I just got home from a 10 hour shift and I'm irritated so how ba-

G'nite.
 
2022-08-05 10:17:48 PM  

wxboy: New Rising Sun: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Fourteen people living in a house, plus guests at the time apparently.  Looking at pictures on other news sites, this wasn't a mansion, just a normal sized house.  Clutter, panic, darkness, and smoke probably play a part as much as how fast the fire spread.  Adults scrambling around trying to corral kids and locate missing ones and end up passing out from inhalation.

Also, modern synthetics burn a lot faster than old solid wood furniture and other natural materials.  I can't remember exactly where, but some safety institute did a study and found a "modern" home's interior goes up in flames in a few minutes whereas older mid-century homes gave you like 15 minutes to get out.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/733-1st-St-Nescopeck-PA-18635/53548233_zpid/

That is apparently the house in question. My understanding from what I've read is that there were 14 people living there, with 13 present at the time of the fire, plus 13 dogs, living in a house described as 1576 sq feet and 3 bedrooms, 1 bath. Since the fire was overnight, most would likely have been asleep, and densely packed into that space.



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Zestimate®: $173,000

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It looks like this property has missing facts, which can affect the accuracy of home value estimates.
 
2022-08-05 10:17:50 PM  

Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?


A fire can double in size every 30 seconds, in theory. The reality is that fires today, because of the fuel load, heat release rate and how houses are made to conserve energy, generate more volume wise and lethal toxicity of smoke. It doesn't take much actual fire to kill people. Most fire victims are, pardon the tasteless pun, smoked before they're fried.
 
2022-08-05 10:18:02 PM  

New Rising Sun: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Fourteen people living in a house, plus guests at the time apparently.  Looking at pictures on other news sites, this wasn't a mansion, just a normal sized house.  Clutter, panic, darkness, and smoke probably play a part as much as how fast the fire spread.  Adults scrambling around trying to corral kids and locate missing ones and end up passing out from inhalation.

Also, modern synthetics burn a lot faster than old solid wood furniture and other natural materials.  I can't remember exactly where, but some safety institute did a study and found a "modern" home's interior goes up in flames in a few minutes whereas older mid-century homes gave you like 15 minutes to get out.


Poisonous gases from burning plastics don't help.  And if they had polyester sheets, clothing, curtains, rugs?  That stuff burns like crazy.
 
2022-08-05 10:18:13 PM  

New Rising Sun: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Fourteen people living in a house, plus guests at the time apparently.  Looking at pictures on other news sites, this wasn't a mansion, just a normal sized house.  Clutter, panic, darkness, and smoke probably play a part as much as how fast the fire spread.  Adults scrambling around trying to corral kids and locate missing ones and end up passing out from inhalation.

Also, modern synthetics burn a lot faster than old solid wood furniture and other natural materials.  I can't remember exactly where, but some safety institute did a study and found a "modern" home's interior goes up in flames in a few minutes whereas older mid-century homes gave you like 15 minutes to get out.


I can say from personal experience in a "we're all going to die" situation one night: I somehow got a 90° left turn in the darkness and instead ran straight into the bathroom. I was banging on the back of the shower stall, wondering how someone suddenly magically bricked up my door; á la The Matrix's déja vu scene. It took way *way* too long for me to figure out I wasn't where I thought I was. Panic does weird things to the mind; if things had gone differently, I could have died there, punching the bejeepers out of the shower, wondering why there was suddenly a wall there.
 
2022-08-05 10:19:35 PM  

Archie Goodwin: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Pretty quick, but for only 3 of 13 to escape I'd say something else was involved. Gas maybe? Just guessing.


They are opening a criminal investigation, from what I heard on the news earlier
 
2022-08-05 10:20:41 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Archie Goodwin: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Pretty quick, but for only 3 of 13 to escape I'd say something else was involved. Gas maybe? Just guessing.

They are opening a criminal investigation, from what I heard on the news earlier


would be farked if the poor guy was charged with some sort of negligence after all that, too

injury meet insult.
 
2022-08-05 10:21:00 PM  
"fark this family in particular", indeed.  Yikes.

If there was ever a fire in my home and I couldn't make it to an exit then I'm going through the wall as quickly as possible.
 
2022-08-05 10:21:49 PM  
This is one of the reasons I never progressed beyond fire cadet. In a tiny town over one summer it was several people I knew who experienced tragedies, including the fire chief's grandson dead in the field next to the fire house. (if you shoot arrows, pick them up. Even the broken ones.)

And I realized I probably wasn't cut out to be a small-town volunteer first responder.
 
2022-08-05 10:22:56 PM  

SiriusClown: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Depends on the fuel of the fire. Certain fabrics go up like fireworks, some have a great burn point. Depends on the construct of the house, materials used.... Fire is a wicked element.


An entire famiy just got destroyed. You're showing the compassion of a tiny stone in Kensington.
 
2022-08-05 10:25:55 PM  
14 people and 13 dogs in a little 3 bed, 1 bath house with at least one of the exits blocked by crap.
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/Not a surprise the body count was so high, what is a surprise is that someone made it out
 
2022-08-05 10:26:03 PM  
Check your smoke alarms, and also watch this

There are two types of smoke alarm. One of 'em ain't so good.
Youtube DuAeaIcAXtg
 
2022-08-05 10:30:47 PM  
Depends on the house too. It sounds like the porch had some clutter from the article and we don't know the interior status of the home. Were they fixing it up? Was it a recent remodel? Was there paint and other building supplies lying around?

Had something similar a couple months ago not far from where I grew up. The house was old with old wiring and newspaper insulation. Wood was also had issues with dry rot or something. I can't remember what they said the cause was, I think electrical but it went up hot and it went up fast due to that. The people inside were older or disabled and they didn't have a chance to get out and no one could get in to save them :(
 
2022-08-05 10:31:54 PM  

The Ice Queen: Depends on the house too. It sounds like the porch had some clutter from the article and we don't know the interior status of the home. Were they fixing it up? Was it a recent remodel? Was there paint and other building supplies lying around?

Had something similar a couple months ago not far from where I grew up. The house was old with old wiring and newspaper insulation. Wood was also had issues with dry rot or something. I can't remember what they said the cause was, I think electrical but it went up hot and it went up fast due to that. The people inside were older or disabled and they didn't have a chance to get out and no one could get in to save them :(


Ugh, hate when I hit enter too soon.

Anyways, I feel for this poor man. To watch essentially 3 generations of his family be taken away from him. I couldn't imagine :(
 
2022-08-05 10:33:02 PM  
Rent to Own. A lot of them end up being scams. Wouldn't be surprised if there was something very wrong with the house.
 
2022-08-05 10:40:54 PM  

Archie Goodwin: Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?

Pretty quick, but for only 3 of 13 to escape I'd say something else was involved. Gas maybe? Just guessing.


Blocked exits and only one path out of the second floor.
 
2022-08-05 10:41:19 PM  

Lsherm: Harold Baker, a Nescopeck Volunteer Fire Company firefighter, said by phonethat the 10 victims included his son, daughter, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, three grandchildren and two other relatives. He said his two children and the other young victims were visiting their aunt and uncle's home for summertime activities like going to a swimming pool.

What the absolute FARK? How fast can a house go up?


Smokey, or fumes from plastics, while people were asleep.

There were 10 people and 13 dogs in the house. That seems unusual to me.

To be fair, my family once had a Thanksgiving with 21 people sleeping in a single-wide mobile home with a16' x 32' greatroom added onto it. All those folks with 1.5 bathrooms. My stepfather ended up dropping a deuce in the barn because he couldn't wait any longer. The next night 12 of those people were in motel rooms. It was memorable, but never again.
 
2022-08-05 10:42:18 PM  
Damn
 
2022-08-05 10:42:57 PM  
Why is Google Street View so sparse in this area?
 
2022-08-05 10:49:47 PM  
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I'll say.
 
2022-08-05 10:50:42 PM  
UL FSRI Home Furnishings Comparison (Natural vs. Synthetic)
Youtube 87hAnxuh1g8


**New Rising Sun

I thought of the same video...
 
2022-08-05 10:51:56 PM  
14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.
 
2022-08-05 10:55:35 PM  

Sasquach: [YouTube video: UL FSRI Home Furnishings Comparison (Natural vs. Synthetic)]

**New Rising Sun

I thought of the same video...


The video specifically deals with flashover....when the fire heats the air enough to where shiat just starts combusting (even without contact from flame).

In the video, watch the carpet as the smoke layer descends...just before the video ends, it ALL just lights up.
 
2022-08-05 11:04:00 PM  

EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.


Would be interesting to see how many people/pets normally lived there on a regular basis.  I've been to holiday celebrations with my exs' side of the family years back where there were at least that many there, where they normally had 4 people and two pets normally.

Sad situation, I won't bash on anyone who just went through something like this.  Don't know if I would at any time.
 
2022-08-05 11:05:39 PM  

EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.


The article failed to mention everyone living at the house were hydrogen elementals. -15 saving throw vs fire, all damage quadrupled.
 
2022-08-05 11:06:37 PM  

EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.


You can't put 14 people in a 1500 square foot house of a hoarder. You just can't. You need floor space.
 
2022-08-05 11:08:21 PM  

EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.


They had extended family visiting.
It wasn't his house, it was his Aunt's house.
 
2022-08-05 11:09:12 PM  

Shryke: EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.

The article failed to mention everyone living at the house were hydrogen elementals. -15 saving throw vs fire, all damage quadrupled.


And for the dumbest take, as usual it's shartforbrains... er, shryke.
 
2022-08-05 11:23:56 PM  
C'mon, Farkers, how can you be giving sympathy so soon after the event?

You haven't even found out if the members of the family voted Republican, in which case you all will begin celebrating the deaths.
 
2022-08-05 11:29:49 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Shryke: EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.

The article failed to mention everyone living at the house were hydrogen elementals. -15 saving throw vs fire, all damage quadrupled.

And for the dumbest take, as usual it's shartforbrains... er, shryke.


You ok, cookie? Forget what site you're on? And the shiat you've posted?
 
2022-08-05 11:47:50 PM  

Shryke: Peter von Nostrand: Shryke: EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.

The article failed to mention everyone living at the house were hydrogen elementals. -15 saving throw vs fire, all damage quadrupled.

And for the dumbest take, as usual it's shartforbrains... er, shryke.

You ok, cookie? Forget what site you're on? And the shiat you've posted?


No, I'm fully aware quoting you = shiatposting.
 
2022-08-05 11:53:06 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Shryke: Peter von Nostrand: Shryke: EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.

The article failed to mention everyone living at the house were hydrogen elementals. -15 saving throw vs fire, all damage quadrupled.

And for the dumbest take, as usual it's shartforbrains... er, shryke.

You ok, cookie? Forget what site you're on? And the shiat you've posted?

No, I'm fully aware quoting you = shiatposting.


Aww. Well, god knows a mod will never warn you for personal insults, so enjoy your freedom, you boring asshole.
 
2022-08-05 11:55:14 PM  
As an EMT my biggest fear has always been being called to someone I know personally or a family member in need..   This makes my fears seems trivial in comparison. Holy shiat..
 
2022-08-06 12:23:33 AM  

wxboy: That is apparently the house in question. My understanding from what I've read is that there were 14 people living there, with 13 present at the time of the fire, plus 13 dogs, living in a house described as 1576 sq feet and 3 bedrooms, 1 bath. Since the fire was overnight, most would likely have been asleep, and densely packed into that space.


And since the fire seems to have started on the porch even if there were smoke detectors the fire got a head start.
 
2022-08-06 12:24:29 AM  

Lsherm: EBN-OZN: 14 people and 13 dogs in a 1500 sq ft home with some exits blocked? I'm thinking hoarders. A house full of junk goes up in flames even faster. Probably no smoke alarms.

What a horrible scene for the guy to walk into.

You can't put 14 people in a 1500 square foot house of a hoarder. You just can't. You need floor space.


The most my hoarder parents managed to do was 8 people and 6 dogs, but four were just visiting.
 
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