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(CNN)   You've probably never heard of the Oak Creek Massacre, which is unfortunate because if more people knew about and had done something in its wake, we might not be overrun with white supremacist terrorists right now   (cnn.com) divider line
    More: Murica, Terrorism, Sikh, Racism, Federal Bureau of Investigation, White supremacy, Extremism, Right-wing politics, Far right  
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2022-08-05 8:20:07 AM  
Or maybe it is hard to remember mass shootings anymore because there are so many.
 
2022-08-05 8:22:46 AM  
I'm still reeling from the Bowling Green Massacre.
 
2022-08-05 8:29:48 AM  

spongeboob: Or maybe it is hard to remember mass shootings anymore because there are so many.


They do tend to blur together after a while.
 
2022-08-05 8:34:03 AM  
That sounds suspiciously of CRT, subby...
 
2022-08-05 8:34:33 AM  
The article is pinning the rise of white nationalists on something that happened 10 years ago?   That's WAAAAY too late.  By that point, the Rs in congress were already actively protecting white nationalist groups from investigation by the feds.  By the time you've reached the point where one of your national parties is actively protecting a group, they've already risen.
 
2022-08-05 8:36:13 AM  
Only going back to 2012 is a warning of today? That's a bit late imo...
 
2022-08-05 8:37:12 AM  
Oak Creek was just one of many symptoms of white supremacy, but those wheels were turning long before 2012.
 
2022-08-05 8:37:54 AM  
Yeah, and if we had handled the Bundy ranch farce as the terrorist uprising it was and acted appropriately we might not have had the same emboldened donkeys rampaging through the halls of congress.

White nationalist/ right wing terrorists respect only force and violence is the only language they can understand. They view restraint as weakness and indifference as agreement. Ita no wonder they have pushed so far with almost no effective checks from those who oppose them.
 
2022-08-05 8:39:13 AM  

Explodo: The article is pinning the rise of white nationalists on something that happened 10 years ago?   That's WAAAAY too late.  By that point, the Rs in congress were already actively protecting white nationalist groups from investigation by the feds.  By the time you've reached the point where one of your national parties is actively protecting a group, they've already risen.


Exactly.  Remember after 9/11 Sikhs were getting murdered as well.  This is a long, unbroken chain of white nationalism.
 
2022-08-05 8:40:30 AM  
OMG! Turbans!

For me, it's not just the racism, it's the lazy stupidity that's maddening.
 
2022-08-05 8:42:14 AM  
Overrun?

Lmao.  No.
 
2022-08-05 8:42:26 AM  
Promoting hatred in this way via any media source or group gathering should be illegal. I'm all for free speech, but not free lies. This crap is destroying the country.
 
2022-08-05 8:42:43 AM  
Meanwhile, the Tulsa massacare is waving its hands and saying "anybody remember me?"
 
2022-08-05 8:43:03 AM  
Oh subby, Americans never learn lessons.
 
2022-08-05 8:43:30 AM  

BunchaRubes: Overrun?

Lmao.  No.


Way to live down to your screen name.
 
2022-08-05 8:44:30 AM  

Explodo: The article is pinning the rise of white nationalists on something that happened 10 years ago?   That's WAAAAY too late.  By that point, the Rs in congress were already actively protecting white nationalist groups from investigation by the feds.  By the time you've reached the point where one of your national parties is actively protecting a group, they've already risen.


The rise of white nationalism started with the election of Ronald Reagan.
 
2022-08-05 8:44:58 AM  
OKC Bombing.

Ruby Ridge

Waco.

We needed to stamp out this ideology at that time.

Do you really think McVeigh and Nichols acted alone? Or did they get support from the Michigan Militia and other RWNJ groups.

It's time to stamp out white supremacy/white Christian nationalism before we become Nazi Germany 2.0
 
2022-08-05 8:45:37 AM  

MythDragon: Meanwhile, the Tulsa massacare is waving its hands and saying "anybody remember me?"


No kidding, they were firebombed by airplanes to start. Hundreds dead. And a highway built over the mass graves so no one could check.
 
2022-08-05 8:49:50 AM  

MythDragon: Meanwhile, the Tulsa massacare is waving its hands and saying "anybody remember me?"


On the one hand, yes. On the other, between then and now there was a time when it looked like things might be turning around, with things like the passage of the Civil and Voting Rights Acts. But then we let things like Fox News exist, in the name of "freedom of speech".
 
2022-08-05 8:50:23 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Explodo: The article is pinning the rise of white nationalists on something that happened 10 years ago?   That's WAAAAY too late.  By that point, the Rs in congress were already actively protecting white nationalist groups from investigation by the feds.  By the time you've reached the point where one of your national parties is actively protecting a group, they've already risen.

The rise of white nationalism started with the election of Ronald Reagan.

crowning of Æthelstan.

FTFY

Doesn't matter it was a different nation. It can't be stressed enough what racist bastards the British were for hundreds of years. It poisons all her former colonies.
 
2022-08-05 8:52:13 AM  

Boudyro: Tyrone Slothrop: Explodo: The article is pinning the rise of white nationalists on something that happened 10 years ago?   That's WAAAAY too late.  By that point, the Rs in congress were already actively protecting white nationalist groups from investigation by the feds.  By the time you've reached the point where one of your national parties is actively protecting a group, they've already risen.

The rise of white nationalism started with the election of Ronald Reagan.crowning of Æthelstan.

FTFY

Doesn't matter it was a different nation. It can't be stressed enough what racist bastards the British were for hundreds of years. It poisons all her former colonies.


Maybe, but Canada seems to be doing much better than we are.
 
2022-08-05 8:52:30 AM  
We need to clone P Barnes to deal with all this bullshiat.
 
2022-08-05 8:53:34 AM  
You can probably point to somewhere in the 90s, but if it wasn't 9/11, it was definitely 2008. Palin wasn't was a subtle as a brick.
 
2022-08-05 8:56:02 AM  
Also:

A year later, the FBI agreed to add hate crime categories for Sikhs, Hindus, Arabs and other groups -- the way it already did for Christians, Jews, Muslims and atheists. The change went into effect in 2015.


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Farking hell this country is so bones-deep racist.
 
2022-08-05 9:01:03 AM  

Ragin' Asian: OMG! Turbans!

For me, it's not just the racism, it's the lazy stupidity that's maddening.


Some time after Oak Creek an a-hole in Arizona shot a Sikh gas station employee.  He yelled about "those damn Muslims" as he shot up the place.  At that time I remember thinking how wrong that was on such a multitude of levels.  It was maddening lazy stupidity demonstrated by a crazed nutter who knew nothing about what he was mindlessly doing.  Evil and stupidity are a dangerous combination.
 
2022-08-05 9:03:02 AM  

Chabash: We need to clone P Barnes to deal with all this bullshiat.


What a Noble idea!
Book it.
 
2022-08-05 9:04:26 AM  

Im_Gumby: That sounds suspiciously of CRT, subby...


Agreed - any suggestion that white racism,. or any similar phenomenon, might be real, or a problem, must be viewed with extreme suspicion.
Most likely it is a covert attempt by BLM and Antifa to subvert America and make white people and their children feel bad about themselves.
Fake news, from the Mainstream Liberal Media!
 
2022-08-05 9:07:34 AM  
(Waits until other wisconsinites comes in and realize how non wisconsinites are probably pronouncing Oak Creek, lacking the "Mi'waukee slur" while reading this thread)
 
2022-08-05 9:16:49 AM  

EBN-OZN: Oak Creek was just one of many symptoms of white supremacy, but those wheels were turning long before 2012.


White supremacy was written into the US Constitution.
 
2022-08-05 9:26:03 AM  
While not denying there are racists and minuscule organizations of white supremacists in the US, stating the the US is being "overrun" is a bit over the top.
 
2022-08-05 9:31:11 AM  

EBN-OZN: Oak Creek was just one of many symptoms of white supremacy, but those wheels were turning long before 2012.


A song making fun of it all came out in 1997
Moxy Früvous - Michigan Militia
Youtube deKRFMjQ5sY
 
2022-08-05 9:31:39 AM  

BigGrnEggGriller: While not denying there are racists and minuscule organizations of white supremacists in the US, stating the the US is being "overrun" is a bit over the top.


The conservative base is minuscule?
 
2022-08-05 9:33:57 AM  
Ahh every white is a white supremacist terrorist now? Why don't you just advocate genocide. Be just like hitler. Become hitler.
 
2022-08-05 9:36:48 AM  
I grew up in liberal New York City and attended public school all the way through college. Do you know when the first time I heard about the 1921 Tulsa Massacre was? When I watched the depiction of it on the HBO show Watchmen in 2019. It was never taught to us. Neither was Juneteenth.

Maybe if our actual history was taught we'd have avoided a lot of problem. Probably not though because humans, and unfortunately Americans in particular, are stupid.
 
2022-08-05 9:37:23 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: You can probably point to somewhere in the 90s, but if it wasn't 9/11, it was definitely 2008. Palin wasn't was a subtle as a brick.


I point to 9/11, before that the FBI had been pretty active in keeping the white domestic terrorists in check. Sure they missed OKC, but that was 2 guys, the organized movements were under surveillance and stepped on pretty well when they got too dangerous.
 
2022-08-05 9:38:41 AM  

fyancey: Ahh every white is a white supremacist terrorist now? Why don't you just advocate genocide. Be just like hitler. Become hitler.


I imagine the German Nazis back in WWII making similar arguments as yours.
 
2022-08-05 9:39:38 AM  
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2012?  Pfft.
 
2022-08-05 9:42:43 AM  
Sorry, white people can't be terrorists. They can only be lone wolves with mental problems, completely detached from the society they live in. And if you think otherwise, you're the real racist.
 
2022-08-05 9:47:27 AM  
Counterpoint: The rise of white supremacist terrorism found its roots when Doug Williams proved that a black quarterback could lead a team all the way to victory in the Superbowl. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
2022-08-05 9:49:20 AM  
"overrun" calm down lmao
 
2022-08-05 9:50:10 AM  

amigafin: Promoting hatred in this way via any media source or group gathering should be illegal. I'm all for free speech, but not free lies. This crap is destroying the country.


BigGrnEggGriller: While not denying there are racists and minuscule organizations of white supremacists in the US, stating the the US is being "overrun" is a bit over the top.


The GOP just had Viktor Orban as a guest speaker at CPAC yesterday at got standing ovations from Republican party members. The guy that a week or so ago that stated "we are willing to mix with one and other (Europeans), but we do want to become peoples of mixed-race."

At CPAC he claimed that Christians can't be racist,

"Don't worry. A Christian politician cannot be racist," he said.
CPAC attendees gave him a standing ovation in an apparent embrace of authoritarianism.
Orban claimed that "Christian values protect us from going too far,"


I guess what you are saying is the Republican party and conservative Independents are miniscule organization, there is only about 70 million of them, because they are full on embracing racism and white Christian Nationalism, they are giving standing ovations to it at CPAC.
 
2022-08-05 9:50:51 AM  

BigGrnEggGriller: While not denying there are racists and minuscule organizations of white supremacists in the US, stating the the US is being "overrun" is a bit over the top.


70 million people is "minuscule"?
I would agree with you that "overrun" is excessive hyperbole - but so is "minuscule".
How about we discard the hyperbole and just talk like grownups, M'kay7?
I mean, if we were being "overrun" by BLM and Antifa in 2020, when all those citoies that are still standing were "burned", we are certainly being "overrun" by white nationalist now.
But that would be hyperbole - RIGHT??
 
2022-08-05 9:53:14 AM  

Mimekiller: "overrun" calm down lmao


So you are proposing that we drop the political hyperbole?
Cool - let's do that.
 
2022-08-05 9:54:24 AM  

alitaki: I grew up in liberal New York City and attended public school all the way through college. Do you know when the first time I heard about the 1921 Tulsa Massacre was? When I watched the depiction of it on the HBO show Watchmen in 2019. It was never taught to us. Neither was Juneteenth.

Maybe if our actual history was taught we'd have avoided a lot of problem. Probably not though because humans, and unfortunately Americans in particular, are stupid.


What school did you go to? When?

I was in High School in the early 80s in Queens, and our social studies teacher did an awesome job covering civil rights in the US, including having us discuss several major events like Tulsa and Rosewood. He was a civil rights activist and had marched with MLK, we got lucky and got a real teacher that taught us about the injustice of Jim Crow era racism in America instead of someone that just drones through the supplied text book.
 
2022-08-05 9:54:29 AM  

jso2897: Mimekiller: "overrun" calm down lmao

So you are proposing that we drop the political hyperbole?
Cool - let's do that.


I like how they out themselves in threads about race.
 
2022-08-05 9:54:52 AM  

fyancey: Ahh every white is a white supremacist terrorist now? Why don't you just advocate genocide. Be just like hitler. Become hitler.


Everyone who upsets me is Hitler.
 
2022-08-05 9:56:14 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: amigafin: Promoting hatred in this way via any media source or group gathering should be illegal. I'm all for free speech, but not free lies. This crap is destroying the country.

BigGrnEggGriller: While not denying there are racists and minuscule organizations of white supremacists in the US, stating the the US is being "overrun" is a bit over the top.

The GOP just had Viktor Orban as a guest speaker at CPAC yesterday at got standing ovations from Republican party members. The guy that a week or so ago that stated "we are willing to mix with one and other (Europeans), but we do want to become peoples of mixed-race."

At CPAC he claimed that Christians can't be racist,

"Don't worry. A Christian politician cannot be racist," he said.
CPAC attendees gave him a standing ovation in an apparent embrace of authoritarianism.
Orban claimed that "Christian values protect us from going too far,"

I guess what you are saying is the Republican party and conservative Independents are miniscule organization, there is only about 70 million of them, because they are full on embracing racism and white Christian Nationalism, they are giving standing ovations to it at CPAC.


They know.  They're defending all of this by denying its existence.
 
2022-08-05 9:57:03 AM  
Look at them all, standing on their hind legs like a bunch of little Adolph Hitlers!
 
2022-08-05 9:57:52 AM  

jso2897: Look at them all, standing on their hind legs like a bunch of little Adolph Hitlers!


Pavlov's dog was a German Shepherd, apparently.
 
2022-08-05 10:01:09 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: alitaki: I grew up in liberal New York City and attended public school all the way through college. Do you know when the first time I heard about the 1921 Tulsa Massacre was? When I watched the depiction of it on the HBO show Watchmen in 2019. It was never taught to us. Neither was Juneteenth.

Maybe if our actual history was taught we'd have avoided a lot of problem. Probably not though because humans, and unfortunately Americans in particular, are stupid.

What school did you go to? When?

I was in High School in the early 80s in Queens, and our social studies teacher did an awesome job covering civil rights in the US, including having us discuss several major events like Tulsa and Rosewood. He was a civil rights activist and had marched with MLK, we got lucky and got a real teacher that taught us about the injustice of Jim Crow era racism in America instead of someone that just drones through the supplied text book.


I had the same experience, except I knew about the Tulsa Massacre through my own reading and probably PBS as well. But it was never taught to me in school, either high school or college, both in NYC.
 
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