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(Metro)   Police stumped over this taser death   (metro.co.uk) divider line
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3371 clicks; posted to Main » on 05 Aug 2022 at 1:50 PM (10 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-05 11:56:55 AM  
Way back when I worked for a mental hospital, I had a one-legged patient. He had a prosthetic leg but it was stored in a patient property locker; he had to get around in a wheelchair.

This was because he had, on numerous occasion, taken the prosthetic leg off and used it as a weapon against staff and other patients.
 
2022-08-05 1:52:13 PM  
I guess police had to pepper spray and tase him because they didn't think they could win against a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

/and a 93-year-old man at that
 
2022-08-05 1:53:15 PM  
Why not just shoot him? Oh right, this isn't the US.
 
2022-08-05 1:54:57 PM  
There was nothing else they could do, he was shouting some unintelligible rant and shaking his fist right at them!
 
2022-08-05 1:55:38 PM  
they were called in because he was threatening people with a knife, but the article doesn't make clear whether or not he was still brandishing the knife at the cops, but in any case, they should have tried for a leg sweep first.
 
2022-08-05 1:56:01 PM  
He was obviously coming right at them.
 
2022-08-05 1:57:11 PM  
Or, you know, they could have just put some sandbags or something around him. Walked up a slight incline. Gone down like 2 steps.

But hey, yeah. Let's kill him instead.
 
2022-08-05 1:59:25 PM  
Let me see if I understand.

The police, upon encountering a 93 year old wheelchair-bound pensioner, proceeded to panic, and wet their pants before pepper spraying AND tasing him to death!?!?!?!?
 
2022-08-05 2:00:53 PM  

SpectroBoy: Let me see if I understand.

The police, upon encountering a 93 year old wheelchair-bound pensioner, proceeded to panic, and wet their pants before pepper spraying AND tasing him to death!?!?!?!?


That's right. These fine, brave officers did everything by the book. BY. THE. BOOK.
 
2022-08-05 2:01:55 PM  

Munden: they were called in because he was threatening people with a knife, but the article doesn't make clear whether or not he was still brandishing the knife at the cops, but in any case, they should have tried for a leg sweep first.


Knife or not, this was a 93 year old man in a wheelchair.
Just stay out of arms length, find a long stick, and put it through the spokes of his wheels.

"Listen gramps, when you settle down and drop the knife we'll get you inside for some nice food and a spot of tea. Doesn't that sound nice?"
 
2022-08-05 2:03:13 PM  
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2022-08-05 2:03:51 PM  
I had no idea cops in England could be as bad as American cops.

That doesn't make me feel any better. It's just not what I expected.
 
2022-08-05 2:05:15 PM  
WTAF? I'm 5' tall and not at all in shape and even I could have disarmed a gd 93 y/o in a farking wheelchair. Hope those 'officers' feel like big shiat for taking down such a dangerous fella 🙄
 
2022-08-05 2:05:37 PM  
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2022-08-05 2:07:49 PM  
A broomstick in the wheels will stop any wheelchair. After that he is a danger to no one.
He just sits there going, "My veels. My god, I can't move my veels"
 
2022-08-05 2:08:12 PM  
This wouldn't have happened to have been Sandford, Gloucestershire would it?  His leg might have been a sawed of shotgun.


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/The greater good!
 
TWX
2022-08-05 2:09:17 PM  
The one thing in particular that cops always seem to forget about is that unless the perpetrator is actively causing harm, they have time on their side.  If the perpetrator is contained and can't hurt anyone else, they have the luxury through superior numbers of simply being able to wait him out.

Yet it seems like they only play for time when there's an active shooter and victims are lying there dying.
 
TWX
2022-08-05 2:10:02 PM  

Solty Dog: A broomstick in the wheels will stop any wheelchair. After that he is a danger to no one.
He just sits there going, "My veels. My god, I can't move my veels"


It's as if we were glued to the spot!
 
2022-08-05 2:15:19 PM  

Walker: I guess police had to pepper spray and tase him because they didn't think they could win against a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

/and a 93-year-old man at that


Don't forget that he had dementia... that condition can grant you the strength of 10 crackheads, I've been told!


/by police
 
2022-08-05 2:22:06 PM  

Walker: I guess police had to pepper spray and tase him because they didn't think they could win against a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

/and a 93-year-old man at that


And in a wheelchair.
 
2022-08-05 2:22:11 PM  
Needs a better headline:

Heart-stopping moment when police gift elderly man new electric wheelchair and spicy takeout.
 
2022-08-05 2:30:21 PM  

TWX: The one thing in particular that cops always seem to forget about is that unless the perpetrator is actively causing harm, they have time on their side.  If the perpetrator is contained and can't hurt anyone else, they have the luxury through superior numbers of simply being able to wait him out.



Particularly for a 93 year old man. I mean eventually he is just going to fall asleep.
 
2022-08-05 2:31:39 PM  
"It remains unclear what the ultimate cause of Mr Burgess' death was."

TASER's manufacturer will point out that nobody has ever died from a TASER. Like this guy probably died from cardiac arrest while being tased, or maybe cracking his head as he was tased out of his wheelchair. Coincidence!
 
2022-08-05 2:35:38 PM  
Look, when this old guy decided to get dementia, he knew there were risks involved.
 
2022-08-05 2:37:57 PM  
It was a suicide.

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2022-08-05 2:38:41 PM  
Why isnt the UK up in arms? (Not a pun)
Thought they were civilized.
 
2022-08-05 2:40:50 PM  
We'll, how big was the knife? Was it an asagi? A katana? Exactly? Ginzu.?
 
2022-08-05 2:41:02 PM  

Ambitwistor: It was a suicide.

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2022-08-05 2:41:50 PM  

Schmerd1948: We'll, how big was the knife? Was it an asagi? A katana? Exactly? Ginzu.?


EXACTO, you meddlesome device.
 
2022-08-05 2:44:14 PM  

Schmerd1948: We'll, how big was the knife? Was it an asagi? A katana? Exactly? Ginzu.?


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Not a knife guy, guess stabby kind..see above.
 
2022-08-05 2:57:31 PM  
Read the headline as "Police pumped over this taser death"

Seems more fitting, even after reading the article.
 
2022-08-05 3:05:20 PM  

ProfessorTerguson: Why isnt the UK up in arms? (Not a pun)
Thought they were civilized.


No one needs to get up in arms.
Everyone knows what happened and time is on our side for arresting and prosecuting bad cops the right way.
We don't need to run down and fark one.
We can walk down and fark them all.
 
TWX
2022-08-05 3:15:14 PM  

SpectroBoy: TWX: The one thing in particular that cops always seem to forget about is that unless the perpetrator is actively causing harm, they have time on their side.  If the perpetrator is contained and can't hurt anyone else, they have the luxury through superior numbers of simply being able to wait him out.


Particularly for a 93 year old man. I mean eventually he is just going to fall asleep.


It seems very simple to me.

When police respond, whether or not the subject was violent prior to their arrival, they should evaluate if the subject is using violence now, while maintaining both personal caution and a professional sense of detachment to the local circumstances.

If the subject isn't violent now, then then they should not use violence.  Caution, sure, but not violence.  It doesn't even really matter if the subject is uncooperative, being uncooperative is still not grounds for escalating the situation through the use of violence.

If the subject is violent now, then the police should evaluate the risk posed by the subject, and likewise, attenuate their own response based on the actual threat.  A 93 year old wheelchair-bound man armed with a knife does not pose the same threat that a 23 year old able-bodied man armed with a knife would.  Even in the latter case though, if the 23 year old isn't a particular danger to others (ie, he isn't pursuing or approaching others and isn't throwing knives) then it still may not be appropriate to use violence if containment and time will solve the problem.

If the subject is violent and does in some capacity remain a danger or continues to hurt others, then obviously a violent response is on the table.  That response should still be proportional though, if nothing else to avoid the police harming bystanders.
 
2022-08-05 3:19:55 PM  
"He was hopping right at us!"

Good jerb, offal-cers.

/awful sirs?
 
2022-08-05 4:08:53 PM  
To be fair, guys that age slaughtered lots of Germans ...
 
2022-08-05 4:46:03 PM  
Sad.

I've seen a couple of dementia patients that far out of control. But a taser was too much.
 
2022-08-05 5:00:42 PM  

GloomCookie613: WTAF? I'm 5' tall and not at all in shape and even I could have disarmed a gd 93 y/o in a farking wheelchair. Hope those 'officers' feel like big shiat for taking down such a dangerous fella 🙄


No, no, no.  He was dis-legged, not dis-armed.
 
2022-08-05 5:03:44 PM  

SpectroBoy: Let me see if I understand.

The police, upon encountering a 93 year old wheelchair-bound pensioner, proceeded to panic, and wet their pants before pepper spraying AND tasing him to death!?!?!?!?


Actually a 93 year old wheelchair bound pensioner with one leg, get it right.
 
2022-08-05 5:15:09 PM  

austerity101: Why not just shoot him? Oh right, this isn't the US.


It's cops, sweetie. They're not about to fire randomly unless there's a crowd. Ban food trucks!
 
Al!
2022-08-05 5:30:53 PM  
This is clearly a case of What Happens When You Disarm A Society. Had the wheelchair-bound pensioner been armed with an assault rifle and 7 Glocks, the police would not have used their tasers or pepper spray.
 
2022-08-05 6:27:03 PM  

SpectroBoy: Let me see if I understand.

The police, upon encountering a 93 year old wheelchair-bound pensioner, proceeded to panic, and wet their pants before pepper spraying AND tasing him to death!?!?!?!?


Yes, that's right. Now they're being investigated in order to answer the difficult question as to whether police using a taser and pepper spray on a mentally ill 93 year old man in a wheelchair was a necessary and appropriate use of force or not. This while bearing in mind that according to police, the cause of his death is unknown.

We'll see how this one turns out. Personally, I think that eventually real action will be taken by forcing the officers responsible to attend a robust course of sensitivity training. Meanwhile Sussex police will have no choice but to issue a carefully worded public statement in which they express regret that an event occurred which goes against their values while taking no responsibility whatsoever and making no real attempt to address anything.
 
2022-08-05 10:55:46 PM  
The police do the same thing when called to a middle school. What did the care home think was going to happen when they called the police on the old man?
The care home should be investigated. The police were just being police.
 
2022-08-06 10:30:00 AM  
93 year old man..
1 or 2 legs
demensha.
wether or not the cops know about that.

Ninty three year old man.

no matter how in shape he is just caral him in a room and wait.

He's eventuily going to fall asleep.

meanwile you find out a bit of his history.

oh he has demensha..

lets try destracting him with something to calm him down.

Calm enough to secure .. oh wait this is a nursing home
WHO THE F CALLED THE POLICE FOR THIS!

The apropreat responce would be to call the "Orderlies" and the mans doctor after you close him in a room.

Or as many people say... jam up his weel chare.
 
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