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2022-08-04 7:23:16 AM  
More like FIRSTPAYME amirite?
 
2022-08-04 7:31:00 AM  
"Your money or your life" isn't a threat in America, it's the corporate motto.
 
2022-08-04 7:36:28 AM  
Hey Libertarians! Tell us again how much better the world would be if we allowed corporations to do whatever they wanted by removing all of those pesky regulations holding them back.
 
2022-08-04 7:37:00 AM  
I don't know what people expect...?

Of course the individual workers don't care. They have a crappy job and don't get paid nearly enough to justify the stress or responsibility that comes with healthcare.

The workers are performing as expected in their role.

The guy didn't pay his bill and didn't submit the paperwork required for preferential treatment based on a medical condition. They treated him exactly like that, someone who didn't pay, then did pay, who didn't have a medical condition.

Everyone in those roles hear a million excuses every day. Their job isn't to evaluate them. It's to inform the customer of their options, disable the power and hopefully, turn it back on.

If they used the honor system, everyone who stopped paying would claim a medical issue and everyone who was eligible to have their power turned on would have a medical issue that lets them jump the line.

That's why they require a more formal process.

Anyone who has life threatening needs for electricity should deal with the paperwork in advance and take measures to protect themselves during a service interruption. They should absolutely look into it before they realize they can't pay their bill.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but many places have laws that regulate power shutoffs. Undoubtedly this person went several billing periods without paying, knowing they needed electricity to live.

If this person lacked the mental abilities to manage this, they were already a danger to themselves and shouldn't have been living alone. That's hardly the fault of the electric company.

And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.
 
2022-08-04 7:41:38 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.


And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.
 
2022-08-04 7:48:26 AM  
every T1 diabetic looks at you with the noose around their neck, and asks, "First time?"
 
2022-08-04 7:49:37 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know what people expect...?

Of course the individual workers don't care. They have a crappy job and don't get paid nearly enough to justify the stress or responsibility that comes with healthcare.

The workers are performing as expected in their role.

The guy didn't pay his bill and didn't submit the paperwork required for preferential treatment based on a medical condition. They treated him exactly like that, someone who didn't pay, then did pay, who didn't have a medical condition.

Everyone in those roles hear a million excuses every day. Their job isn't to evaluate them. It's to inform the customer of their options, disable the power and hopefully, turn it back on.

If they used the honor system, everyone who stopped paying would claim a medical issue and everyone who was eligible to have their power turned on would have a medical issue that lets them jump the line.

That's why they require a more formal process.

Anyone who has life threatening needs for electricity should deal with the paperwork in advance and take measures to protect themselves during a service interruption. They should absolutely look into it before they realize they can't pay their bill.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but many places have laws that regulate power shutoffs. Undoubtedly this person went several billing periods without paying, knowing they needed electricity to live.

If this person lacked the mental abilities to manage this, they were already a danger to themselves and shouldn't have been living alone. That's hardly the fault of the electric company.

And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.


Ever notice how during bad times of financial struggle, the energy companies still pay out dividends after we give them massive bailouts for their "hard times"? Ya, they can keep people's farking electric on indefinitely if they can pay out dividends.
 
2022-08-04 7:51:55 AM  
Medicare for all now
 
2022-08-04 7:54:44 AM  

NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.


A Municipal system would perform no better.
 
2022-08-04 7:57:52 AM  

Another Government Employee: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

A Municipal system would perform no better.


Municipalities handle water and sanitation well.  Municipal natural gas was a bit overpriced when I lived in a town with municipal natural gas, but that also might have been the fact that my rental was leaky as fark.  My gas bills during the summer were practically non-existent just to fuel my hot water heater and stove.
 
2022-08-04 8:00:38 AM  
That article read like a Master Class in corporate villainy. Disregarding cutting off a man's life support over a few dollars, Firstenergy has been engaged in illegal and outright evil that has gouged it's customers out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Perhaps if they weren't so busy illegally overcharging their customers, the rates would have been low enough the man could have paid them.
 
2022-08-04 8:04:32 AM  
Privatized utilities are setting in like education and healthcare. Unless there is a major reversal in that trend expect more of these kinds of things to happen to people. Unless people are willing to get their hands dirty to wrestle those back to the public space then Americans are stuck with this.People are making money off other peoples suffering. Good luck stopping them as they buy out politicians for it to continue.
 
2022-08-04 8:08:33 AM  

Madeup Farkname: Hey Libertarians! Tell us again how much better the world would be if we allowed corporations to do whatever they wanted by removing all of those pesky regulations holding them back.


Um pay your bills and your electricity won't be shut off in the first place.
 
2022-08-04 8:16:57 AM  
This happened in 2019
 
2022-08-04 8:20:38 AM  

Nimbull: Privatized utilities are setting in like education and healthcare. Unless there is a major reversal in that trend expect more of these kinds of things to happen to people. Unless people are willing to get their hands dirty to wrestle those back to the public space then Americans are stuck with this.People are making money off other peoples suffering. Good luck stopping them as they buy out politicians for it to continue.



Even publicly-run utilities will cut people off for non-payment.  (If you have municipal water, try not paying your water bill and see how that goes for you.)  The only options they have to force payment are to cut you off or to put a lien on your house.  Unless we're going to a system where utilities are completely free (meaning completely paid for by tax dollars), there has to be some system to force payment.  (And we probably don't want them to settle for breaking your kneecaps if you don't pay?)


And completely "free"/subsidized utilities (aside from phone/internet) come with their own set of problems - you have no incentive to conserve, so they are wasteful / bad for the environment / contribute to climate change / etc.  Consider Venezuela where electricity is heavily subsidized and almost free.  People use their free electricity to mine bitcoin.


Also, sample size of one, but when I bought my house, setting up services with all of the utilities run by businesses was super-easy, barely an inconvenience.  I was either able to do it online with no interaction with a human, or a single phone call got service.  With the city and water, I had to submit a paper form (either mail or in person) and the day I moved in, someone from the city showed up to turn off my water because the old owner had left.  Fortunately, I was here and he was able to call the city and get someone to tell him that I had arranged for water service and so he just did a meter read and left.  One city over is even worse - the only way to get water service is to show up at City Hall personally to hand-deliver the paperwork and show your ID plus a purchase contract or rental contract.  (It is not accepted by mail for some reason.)


I chalk it up to companies are going to do whatever saves money (which, obviously, letting you submit stuff over the internet and not having to hire people saves them money).  But governments are using the same process that they used 50 years ago because why change it?
 
2022-08-04 8:40:08 AM  
David hadn't submitted a "medical certification"

There is the problem. Utilities bend over backwards to not disconnect anyone who has a medical need for electricity (oxygen concentrator, ventilator, etc.) and then, if they do, the go to the home with police and other local welfare authorities to arrange for the electricity to be safely disconnected with the patient moved somewhere else so their medical needs are met.

This guy didn't mail in the paperwork to keep his electricity on.
 
2022-08-04 8:43:09 AM  

Private_Citizen: That article read like a Master Class in corporate villainy. Disregarding cutting off a man's life support over a few dollars, Firstenergy has been engaged in illegal and outright evil that has gouged it's customers out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Perhaps if they weren't so busy illegally overcharging their customers, the rates would have been low enough the man could have paid them.


Not to mention FirstEnergy is under federal investigation for bribing Ohio lawmakers into passing House Bill 6 which was called "the worst energy bill in the 21st century" which allowed FirstEnergy to charge its customers to keep its obsolete nuclear and coal-fired operating while reducing subsidies for renewal energy and energy efficiency. The corruption went to the top of FirstEnergy as their now ex-CEO Chuck Jones was fired. FirstEnergy was fined $230 million but the law is still in place.
 
2022-08-04 8:44:48 AM  

IDisposable: put a lien on your house


The water department in my city doesn't even do that. Their way to ensure payment is the bill is linked to the property, and whomever wants the water turned on has to satisfy overdue bills. Doesn't matter if you just bought the house and the overdue bill is some rental tenant who got months behind and absconded without paying - now it's your problem. It's a common thing and all the realtors know to advise buyers to check the water department to see if bills are overdue, because you might buy a property that you now owe money to keep the water on or get it turned back on. Right at closing, some buyers show up with paperwork and tell the seller "PAY THE WATER BILL!" before they will close on the deal.
 
2022-08-04 8:46:20 AM  

Madeup Farkname: Hey Libertarians! Tell us again how much better the world would be if we allowed corporations to do whatever they wanted by removing all of those pesky regulations holding them back.


"Freedom to die of starvation in the gutter".
 
2022-08-04 8:51:45 AM  

NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.


If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.
 
2022-08-04 8:53:29 AM  

IDisposable: And completely "free"/subsidized utilities (aside from phone/internet) come with their own set of problems - you have no incentive to conserve, so they are wasteful / bad for the environment / contribute to climate change / etc.  Consider Venezuela where electricity is heavily subsidized and almost free.  People use their free electricity to mine bitcoin.


In Chicago, some properties have unmetered water. The monthly bill is estimated by taking the size of the property, number of fixtures (toilets, taps, showers, etc.) in the house, and just making a calculation.

So, I know a family friend who has a couple properties rental like this. He's renovated them over the years to change the inside but his water bill is stuck at old, lower rates that were calculated with one bathroom.

The huge add-on he did to take advantage of the unmetered water was to install heat pumps for heating and cooling. He uses water as the heating/cooling fluid. In summer, the cold water from the main flows through a heat exchanger so the heat pump can cool the house and then it goes right out into a storm drain. In winter, the same water is used to extract heat and then it goes right out into a storm drain.

It's amazingly wasteful but he saves a huge amount of money on heating and cooling.
 
2022-08-04 9:12:24 AM  
Good thing I have Amazon Prime® Healthcare.

What a country/planet/solar system/galaxy/universe/giant turtle.
 
2022-08-04 9:38:52 AM  
The important thing is that his debt gets paid. Doesn't matter who pays it, just that he pays what he owes.

Best American investment ever. Laws on your side. Forget blue chips, etc, invest in misery, suffering, and servitude, it's the American way!

PROUD REPUBLICAN!
 
2022-08-04 9:42:08 AM  

Madeup Farkname: Hey Libertarians! Tell us again how much better the world would be if we allowed corporations to do whatever they wanted by removing all of those pesky regulations holding them back.


Yes, we're much better off with the government giving corporations the power to behave this way. Why, the government is wonderful, with price supports, subsidies, and monopolies for all! Maybe the President can raise some more tariffs!
 
2022-08-04 9:58:20 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.


It's always funny when libertarians forget the rest of the world exists.

"If X weren't privatized, it would totally suck"
"But counties like Sweden have widespread government run X and it's better than we have in the US."
"Umm well you umm see uhhh... government bad. SMOKEBOMB"
 
2022-08-04 9:59:23 AM  

AlphaG33k: The important thing is that his debt gets paid. Doesn't matter who pays it, just that he pays what he owes.

Best American investment ever. Laws on your side. Forget blue chips, etc, invest in misery, suffering, and servitude, it's the American way!

PROUD REPUBLICAN!


And what exactly is your plan, other than just shouting "capitalism bad"?

(Keep in mind that, according to TFA, this person did not submit the "medical certification" paperwork, which would have prevented his power from being disconnected.  So the evil capitalist pigs wouldn't have turned his power off if he had actually followed the process that is already in place.)

There are not but so many different options:

1. Make it "free"/fully subsidized and either have waste/abuse or punish people who waste/abuse
2. Charge for it, but don't do anything if someone doesn't pay the bill, which basically makes it free
3. Charge for it and disconnect people who don't pay the bill.
 
2022-08-04 9:59:36 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.


In my experience, nonprofit organizations handle that stuff better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merit_Network#Bringing_the_Internet_to_Michigan:_1985_to_2001

I couldn't have finished my degree without the cheap net access that MERIT provided.
 
2022-08-04 10:08:52 AM  
If you need electricity to live you shouldn't skip paying your electric bill.
 
2022-08-04 10:14:05 AM  

sorceror: Ketchuponsteak: If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

In my experience, nonprofit organizations handle that stuff better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merit_Network#Bringing_the_Internet_to_Michigan:_1985_to_2001

I couldn't have finished my degree without the cheap net access that MERIT provided.


I have good experiences with both.

But ultimately the best service I have had was private, because the competition motive always lacked with the non-profit.

Like my last ISP is customer owned, and is stuck at 100mbit/sec for about 15USD. The board would always decide that "100 Mbit is enough for everyone", and that's it.

Better than nothing, sure. But now I'm on a state regulated private net, where I get 1gbit for 25USD. The reason is that speed is also a factor in competition. So yeah, I pay more, even though it ought to cost the same, but regardless, the private companies are more attuned to react to demands.
 
2022-08-04 10:27:35 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Ketchuponsteak: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.

It's always funny when libertarians forget the rest of the world exists.

"If X weren't privatized, it would totally suck"
"But counties like Sweden have widespread government run X and it's better than we have in the US."
"Umm well you umm see uhhh... government bad. SMOKEBOMB"


Sweden is a poor example since the UN predicts Sweden will be a third world country by 2030.

If you do stupid shiat there's a lag before the bill comes due during which people run their mouths about how this proves socialism works. See also: Venezuela.
 
2022-08-04 10:28:50 AM  
Did I stutter? Capitalism is great, it's how I make my living.

Cut the benefits, Reduce the minimum wage [or get rid of it alltogther ] , and remove worker protections.

Profits!


IDisposable: AlphaG33k: The important thing is that his debt gets paid. Doesn't matter who pays it, just that he pays what he owes.

Best American investment ever. Laws on your side. Forget blue chips, etc, invest in misery, suffering, and servitude, it's the American way!

PROUD REPUBLICAN!

And what exactly is your plan, other than just shouting "capitalism bad"?

(Keep in mind that, according to TFA, this person did not submit the "medical certification" paperwork, which would have prevented his power from being disconnected.  So the evil capitalist pigs wouldn't have turned his power off if he had actually followed the process that is already in place.)

There are not but so many different options:

1. Make it "free"/fully subsidized and either have waste/abuse or punish people who waste/abuse
2. Charge for it, but don't do anything if someone doesn't pay the bill, which basically makes it free
3. Charge for it and disconnect people who don't pay the bill.

 
2022-08-04 10:58:29 AM  

Another Government Employee: A Municipal system would perform no better.


Really because I've lived around places with municipal power co's and the power was without issues and cheaper. The linemen lived in the area too so they fixed stuff quick.
 
2022-08-04 11:02:57 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: But ultimately the best service I have had was private, because the competition motive always lacked with the non-profit.

Like my last ISP is customer owned, and is stuck at 100mbit/sec for about 15USD. The board would always decide that "100 Mbit is enough for everyone", and that's it.


Counterpoint: Comcast "just the tip? going in dry" Xfinity. Oh and it's gonna cost you 2x the local municipal isp gigabit fiber two towns over for 1/5 the speed because go f*ck yourself.
 
2022-08-04 11:13:36 AM  

Klyukva: Sweden is a poor example since the UN predicts Sweden will be a third world country by 2030.

If you do stupid shiat there's a lag before the bill comes due during which people run their mouths about how this proves socialism works. See also: Venezuela.


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2022-08-04 11:37:07 AM  
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2022-08-04 11:50:33 AM  

NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.


Québec bashing is not uncommon on Fark, but there are some (many) things Québec does right. One of them was nationalization of electricity
 
2022-08-04 11:55:23 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.


Where the fark do you think the money came for to pay for the infrastructure for Internet services? Hint: it wasn't the private sector.
 
2022-08-04 12:00:40 PM  
Klyukva:

Sweden is a poor example since the UN predicts Sweden will be a third world country by 2030.

Show us that UN report, please.
Easy prediction by me: Sweden is not going to be a third world country in 7.5 years.
 
2022-08-04 12:25:53 PM  

Klyukva: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Ketchuponsteak: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.

It's always funny when libertarians forget the rest of the world exists.

"If X weren't privatized, it would totally suck"
"But counties like Sweden have widespread government run X and it's better than we have in the US."
"Umm well you umm see uhhh... government bad. SMOKEBOMB"

Sweden is a poor example since the UN predicts Sweden will be a third world country by 2030.

If you do stupid shiat there's a lag before the bill comes due during which people run their mouths about how this proves socialism works. See also: Venezuela.


ROFL. You still believe that tripe? It was discounted 7 years ago. It's amazing how susceptible to fake stories you derpers continue to be no matter how many times you are shown to be the fool. Next up, why jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

Oh man, that's funny.
 
2022-08-04 12:44:36 PM  

NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.


I don't see that as relevant in the slightest. The post office isn't private and they won't mail my package without payment either.

If you mean the electric company should be non-private and adopt entirely different systems... Sure. I mean.. Maybe.

You could just as easily allow the utilities to remain private and pass a law that doesn't allow them to ever turn off power for anyone ever
 
2022-08-04 12:49:18 PM  

jayphat: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know what people expect...?

Of course the individual workers don't care. They have a crappy job and don't get paid nearly enough to justify the stress or responsibility that comes with healthcare.

The workers are performing as expected in their role.

The guy didn't pay his bill and didn't submit the paperwork required for preferential treatment based on a medical condition. They treated him exactly like that, someone who didn't pay, then did pay, who didn't have a medical condition.

Everyone in those roles hear a million excuses every day. Their job isn't to evaluate them. It's to inform the customer of their options, disable the power and hopefully, turn it back on.

If they used the honor system, everyone who stopped paying would claim a medical issue and everyone who was eligible to have their power turned on would have a medical issue that lets them jump the line.

That's why they require a more formal process.

Anyone who has life threatening needs for electricity should deal with the paperwork in advance and take measures to protect themselves during a service interruption. They should absolutely look into it before they realize they can't pay their bill.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but many places have laws that regulate power shutoffs. Undoubtedly this person went several billing periods without paying, knowing they needed electricity to live.

If this person lacked the mental abilities to manage this, they were already a danger to themselves and shouldn't have been living alone. That's hardly the fault of the electric company.

And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

Ever notice how during bad times of financial struggle, the energy companies still pay out dividends after we give them massive bailouts for their "hard times"? Ya, they can keep people's farking electric on indefinitely if they can pay out dividends.


Nobody is claiming they can't. Why would they?

This person didn't notify them of a medical condition and stopped paying them.

What the company did was seemingly legal and entirely expected. Nobody should be surprised. If we want to change how that all works, cool. But this is like getting arrested for smoking crack or getting a huge medical bill after going to the hospital.
 
2022-08-04 1:22:12 PM  

jayphat: Where the fark do you think the money came for to pay for the infrastructure for Internet services? Hint: it wasn't the private sector.


it absolutely was the private sector.  which nationwide phone network was built by the public sector?
 
2022-08-04 1:40:41 PM  

asciibaron: jayphat: Where the fark do you think the money came for to pay for the infrastructure for Internet services? Hint: it wasn't the private sector.

it absolutely was the private sector.  which nationwide phone network was built by the public sector?


WITH OUR MONEY. The US government literally gave away over $250 billion between the 80's and 90's to build out broadband. They built about half of what was actually supposed to be spent and pocketed the rest.
 
2022-08-04 1:40:57 PM  
This is all on him and his wife. The guy didn't pay his bills, blew off the letters sent to him.  He also never filled out the forms needed to let the power company know he was on oxygen.  The power company and the State has a way to do that, and it works.  What, they were supposed to read his mind?
 
2022-08-04 2:47:28 PM  
Honestly  i would have sent a guy to reconnect the power post haste rather than risk a potential wrongful death suit which even if won would result in a nasty black eye in public opinion.

Then i would work with the guy on step so he could prevent this from reoccurring.
 
2022-08-04 2:49:26 PM  

jayphat: Ketchuponsteak: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.

Where the fark do you think the money came for to pay for the infrastructure for Internet services? Hint: it wasn't the private sector.


You don't think the state should regulate utilities, you do think they should, what?
 
2022-08-04 4:50:49 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: jayphat: Ketchuponsteak: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.

Where the fark do you think the money came for to pay for the infrastructure for Internet services? Hint: it wasn't the private sector.

You don't think the state should regulate utilities, you do think they should, what?


I absolutely believe they should, if not actually be running said utilities. They should not be a for-profit model, because all that does is incentivize cutting corners and worrying more about shareholders than customers. My response was supposed to be directly to the bolded statement above.
 
2022-08-04 6:59:39 PM  
Around here you can't get the best rates on electricity if you have a medical certification.  The disconnection prevention rules only apply to "standard plans" because of the over head of processing the request.  That means a bunch of out of work people are going to be paying US$0.34 per kwh when their current contract rolls over.  The government will kick in a trivial amount towards the bill.  It is much cheaper to not have the medical certification on file and get a good contract rate for most people.
 
2022-08-04 7:23:30 PM  

jayphat: Ketchuponsteak: jayphat: Ketchuponsteak: NM Volunteer: Fark_Guy_Rob: And while I agree, it would be great, in theory, to live in a happy place where everyone got free housing and free utilities and no old person was ever cut-off... We don't have that. You can't get mad at the companies for doing things companies do. If you don't like the system, that's a problem with our government, protest, riot, revolt, whatever. But until we have those things, of course a utility company is going to stop giving away free electricity.

And there's the problem.  Utilities shouldn't be privatized.

If utilities hadn't been privatised, I'd probably still use dialup at 10Cents per minute.

Its better to have privatised utilities, and then have the state regulate them, without also themselves having a profit motive.

I know the state sucks at regulation in USA, but it does not have to be like that.

Where the fark do you think the money came for to pay for the infrastructure for Internet services? Hint: it wasn't the private sector.

You don't think the state should regulate utilities, you do think they should, what?

I absolutely believe they should, if not actually be running said utilities. They should not be a for-profit model, because all that does is incentivize cutting corners and worrying more about shareholders than customers. My response was supposed to be directly to the bolded statement above.


Competition works in the favour of the consumer, if its real.

Where I live, I have like 30+ options for a telco, 30+ for an ISP, 30+ for an electricity supplier, etc.

Most of them are reselling their rented lines, which they rent on the terms the regulators have set. That's where the element of competition works in the consumers favour, because I'll get 30 different offers, for the same product.
 
2022-08-04 7:28:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Your money or your life" isn't a threat in America, it's the corporate motto.


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