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MrBallou [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-02 1:10:31 AM  
Your hero directed a conspiracy to violate several federal laws and organize a violent assault on Congress with the intent of seizing the office of POTUS illegally.

Yeah, that is a little different from what happened in 1800.
 
make me some tea [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-02 1:19:34 AM  
Mark Levin is a goddamn idiot and no one should take legal information from him, ever.

This is a tactic these people use to hook the listener and convince them that he's giving them secret information, like it's the decoder ring or something. It makes them feel special, "l know something you don't know" kind of thing. They get their fix.

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Notabunny [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 2:10:36 AM  
It's not illegal for you to lie to rubes. Have at it.
 
Ass_Master_Flash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-02 2:13:52 AM  
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Were at stage 4
 
enry [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 3:11:06 AM  

Ass_Master_Flash: [Fark user image image 425x285]
Were at stage 4


Also "Democrats did it first" which isn't true or at the very least some real stretch of whatever it was into a current context.

/Shut up, Shake
 
LordBeavis [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 6:20:07 AM  

make me some tea: Mark Levin is a goddamn idiot and no one should take legal information from him, ever.

This is a tactic these people use to hook the listener and convince them that he's giving them secret information, like it's the decoder ring or something. It makes them feel special, "l know something you don't know" kind of thing. They get their fix.

[Fark user image 425x102]


Levin's incoherent ramblings soon to be filtered from Levin to your uncle and regurgitated back to you in a drunken, condescending tone at Thanksgiving.  I can't wait!
 
HighOnCraic
2022-08-02 6:22:28 AM  
From the article:

"John Adams was running as a Federalist, of course, seeking reelection, and his main opponent was Thomas Jefferson, running as a Republican."

How did he manage to run as a Republican in 1800, when the party was founded in 1854?
 
Jake Havechek [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 7:14:21 AM  

HighOnCraic: From the article:

"John Adams was running as a Federalist, of course, seeking reelection, and his main opponent was Thomas Jefferson, running as a Republican."

How did he manage to run as a Republican in 1800, when the party was founded in 1854?


Levin isn't very smart.
 
Weaver95
2022-08-02 7:37:39 AM  
Sorry trumpers, but everyone knows Donald is guilty. We don't lack for evidence of criminal actions. We know he's broken multiple laws and Trump should die in a jail cell.
But Republicans can't admit they backed the wrong guy, and they're going to keep protecting Trump because they cannot ever be wrong about anything.
 
Bill the unknowing [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 8:06:20 AM  
When your banker gives you counterfeit money, Mark, is it against the law?
 
qorkfiend
2022-08-02 8:08:35 AM  
He's sort of right, but is also ignoring the part where they actually tried to submit the fake certificates of ascertainment, which is a crime.
 
UNC_Samurai
2022-08-02 8:10:39 AM  
"You might think..."

That would make one of us, Mark
 
DarkSoulNoHope
2022-08-02 8:11:21 AM  
Seems to me that someone watched The Other Guys and thought mind games would work:

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iheartscotch
2022-08-02 8:11:49 AM  
It would probably not be a crime if they actually anticipated using the false electors as contingent electors. However...they referred to the false electors as false electors from the very beginning.

There was even a conspiracy to supplant the legitimate electors with the false electors that was being led by Sen Grassley, being aided and abetted by the Secret Service.

/ Lordy...were there crimes
 
qorkfiend
2022-08-02 8:12:34 AM  

iheartscotch: It would probably not be a crime if they actually anticipated using the false electors as contingent electors. However...they referred to the false electors as false electors from the very beginning.

There was even a conspiracy to supplant the legitimate electors with the false electors that was being led by Sen Grassley, being aided and abetted by the Secret Service.

/ Lordy...were there crimes


Well the problem there is that there is no such thing as "contingent electors"
 
Fasces Breaker
2022-08-02 8:13:19 AM  
"... to completely misunderstand what the Electoral College is all about "

Easy way to fix that part. Just get rid of the EC and elect who the people give the most votes.
 
JJR
2022-08-02 8:14:40 AM  
here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
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Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-08-02 8:14:57 AM  
If it's not a crime, then the US is well and truly farked.
 
Chief Superintendent Lookout
2022-08-02 8:15:33 AM  
There was talk that Virginia would succeed if Jefferson were not elected.

Succeed at what, exactly?
 
Ragin' Asian [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 8:16:58 AM  
I'll take the pursuit of happiness over Levin any day of the week. Twice on Sundays.

Makes me wonder what else he thinks isn't a crime, though I can probably guess.
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-08-02 8:19:04 AM  

Fasces Breaker: "... to completely misunderstand what the Electoral College is all about "

Easy way to fix that part. Just get rid of the EC and elect who the people give the most votes.


But then 2-bit states with 1000 people wouldn't have the same say as states with millions of people!
 
iheartscotch
2022-08-02 8:19:59 AM  

qorkfiend: iheartscotch: It would probably not be a crime if they actually anticipated using the false electors as contingent electors. However...they referred to the false electors as false electors from the very beginning.

There was even a conspiracy to supplant the legitimate electors with the false electors that was being led by Sen Grassley, being aided and abetted by the Secret Service.

/ Lordy...were there crimes

Well the problem there is that there is no such thing as "contingent electors"


That's why I said that it probably wouldn't be a crime. "Contingent  electors", as you correctly pointed out, do not appear in the constitution and are not actually a thing. It really comes down to intent behind the action in criminal cases.

/ or if you can pay enough lawyers to make enough of a roadblock that it becomes extremely difficult to prosecute you. Either way.
 
Coco LaFemme [OhFark]
2022-08-02 8:20:17 AM  

HighOnCraic: From the article:

"John Adams was running as a Federalist, of course, seeking reelection, and his main opponent was Thomas Jefferson, running as a Republican."

How did he manage to run as a Republican in 1800, when the party was founded in 1854?


Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia

Levin's an idiot, but calling Jefferson a "Republican" isn't wrong.
 
qorkfiend
2022-08-02 8:21:24 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image image 413x722]


And?
 
zeroman987
2022-08-02 8:21:36 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image image 413x722]


That's not how that works.

It's 95 percent of precincts reporting, not 95 percent of the votes counted.  Simple arithmetic shows that is not the case.  Also reading the text on the infographics also shows that is the case.

Also how would they know how many ballots were cast before all of the precincts report? Are you really that dumb?

Like most things, the answer to the question is right in front of your face.  If only you had the ability to read.
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-08-02 8:22:31 AM  

Coco LaFemme: HighOnCraic: From the article:

"John Adams was running as a Federalist, of course, seeking reelection, and his main opponent was Thomas Jefferson, running as a Republican."

How did he manage to run as a Republican in 1800, when the party was founded in 1854?

Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia

Levin's an idiot, but calling Jefferson a "Republican" isn't wrong.


Democratic-Republican != Republican

\hell, Lincoln Republican != modern Republican
 
rikkitikkitavi
2022-08-02 8:23:31 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:


You do (or apparently don't) realize that Wisconsin doesn't use an electoral representative system. It doesn't matter if Trump wins 99 counties to Biden's one. While Trump claimed the undecided counties between that first and second snapshot, the total vote count in the blue counties and cities continued to accrue, dramatically surpassing the total red count. Within individual states, it's total votes, not counties that matter.

It's not rocket-surgery, dude. It's simple math.
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-08-02 8:24:10 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image image 413x722]


Gosh, too bad no one bothered to present that evidence in court. All those smart lawyers, and all they should have used is some rando on the Internet.
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-08-02 8:25:30 AM  

rikkitikkitavi: JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:

You do (or apparently don't) realize that Wisconsin doesn't use an electoral representative system. It doesn't matter if Trump wins 99 counties to Biden's one. While Trump claimed the undecided counties between that first and second snapshot, the total vote count in the blue counties and cities continued to accrue, dramatically surpassing the total red count. Within individual states, it's total votes, not counties that matter.

It's not rocket-surgery, dude. It's simple math.


There's no such thing as "simple math" to a Trumper. They have difficulty with 1 + 1 = 2.
 
mrwhippy
2022-08-02 8:26:20 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image 413x722]


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mrwhippy
2022-08-02 8:27:12 AM  
Forgot to add 
it is a good thing that we count votes and not counties!
 
zappaisfrank
2022-08-02 8:28:18 AM  

Jake Havechek: HighOnCraic: From the article:

"John Adams was running as a Federalist, of course, seeking reelection, and his main opponent was Thomas Jefferson, running as a Republican."

How did he manage to run as a Republican in 1800, when the party was founded in 1854?

Levin isn't very smart.


Levin knows Jefferson wasn't a Republican, but he also knows his listeners are stupid enough to buy a lie like that uncritically and adopt it as fact.

Guys like Levin and the rest know their audience better than they know themselves. That's why their bullshiat works on them. Saying things morons will believe has paid off well for the right but it's really bad for the country.
 
vespertilio-fecal psychosis
2022-08-02 8:29:16 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image 413x722]


Because there were more uncounted votes for Biden in the high population counties already called for Biden  than there were votes for Trump in the counties not yet called in the first picture, and when those votes were counted they unsurprisingly went mostly to Biden. This is a natural and inevitable result of the way votes are counted. Places with lots of votes take longer to count. This is not confusing. This is not complicated.

And yes you can call a county before all the votes are in; if the votes already counted have enough for Biden that it's more than half of all votes cast, you call the county for Biden and keep counting.

This is true even when there aren't deliberate attempts to sow uncertainty in the election.
 
qorkfiend
2022-08-02 8:29:49 AM  

mrwhippy: Forgot to add 
it is a good thing that we count votes and not counties!


And on the flip side why some of the asshole Southern states do count counties for some offices
 
makerofbadjokes [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 8:30:50 AM  

mrwhippy: Forgot to add 
it is a good thing that we count votes and not counties!


Needs to be the law of the land, that...
 
Skleenar
2022-08-02 8:32:10 AM  

Ass_Master_Flash: [Fark user image 425x285]
Were at stage 4


It's got to be weird to be a Fox News watcher. Stage 4 is about when they become aware of the gigantic scandal the rest of the country has known about for years.  Imagine the first time.you even hear about the fake elector scandal is "You might think it's weird, you might think it's unethical, but it's not a crime".

I mean not to say there will be one iota of doubt in their minds in Mark Levin.  Nor that when their kid then runs in the door and says "NO MATTER WHAT SISSY SAYS I DID NOT THROW A FROG AT HER!" they wouldn't handle that situation with the skepticism it deserves.

I'm just saying it must be weird to have a gigantic information blindspot where cognitive dissonance is a required state of being in order to maintain your ignorance.
 
Ishkur [OhFark]
2022-08-02 8:32:16 AM  
What, no Master Levin vids?
 
Snapper Carr
2022-08-02 8:32:23 AM  
7 hours and 34 posts and not a single "Master Levin" video

Master Levin Talks Diet
Youtube j1oilMKAwoE
 
vespertilio-fecal psychosis
2022-08-02 8:33:29 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image image 413x722]

Gosh, too bad no one bothered to present that evidence in court. All those smart lawyers, and all they should have used is some rando on the Internet.


Man, I'm thinking there's grift afoot a business opportunity here. Internet Rando Consulting; Tapping the distributed wisdom of millions of deranged blowhards to justify our client's prejudices. I'ma get to work on the logo right away.
 
Licinius Crassus
2022-08-02 8:34:05 AM  

HighOnCraic: From the article:

"John Adams was running as a Federalist, of course, seeking reelection, and his main opponent was Thomas Jefferson, running as a Republican."

How did he manage to run as a Republican in 1800, when the party was founded in 1854?


That's the first thing I saw.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2022-08-02 8:34:18 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image 413x722]


You should get this in front of a judge!
 
kbronsito
2022-08-02 8:34:28 AM  
Here's a secret that the conservative media doesn't want you to know. It is technically not illegal to round up Trumpers by the hundreds of thousands and throw them into wood chippers. It may be messy, somewhat mass murdery and some may even question if it is ethical. But what the pundits and analysts at Fox and OAN won't tell you is that wood chippers are not even mentioned in the constitution. So it is kinda of a grey area.
 
Skleenar
2022-08-02 8:34:49 AM  

JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:
with 95% of the vote counted - Trump trails Biden by 8,000 votes
[Fark user image 432x739]


Now with 99% of the vote counted - Trump has won every undecided county, including heavily populated Green Bay area. So Biden wins by 20,000 votes
[Fark user image 413x722]


wow.  That is incredible.

Incredibly dumb.
 
DrD'isInfotainment [OhFark]
2022-08-02 8:35:12 AM  
OCD Jewish Nazi MarkLevin is a walking talking crime against humanity spree.

My Jewish father in law always warned me to watch out for Jewish Nazis. At first I was like, wtf???
Then I watched Ariel Sharon and then Bibi Nathanyahu, and I slowly came to understand my wiser than wise FIL was right about these fascists.
 
qorkfiend
2022-08-02 8:35:14 AM  

Skleenar: Ass_Master_Flash: [Fark user image 425x285]
Were at stage 4

It's got to be weird to be a Fox News watcher. Stage 4 is about when they become aware of the gigantic scandal the rest of the country has known about for years.  Imagine the first time.you even hear about the fake elector scandal is "You might think it's weird, you might think it's unethical, but it's not a crime".

I mean not to say there will be one iota of doubt in their minds in Mark Levin.  Nor that when their kid then runs in the door and says "NO MATTER WHAT SISSY SAYS I DID NOT THROW A FROG AT HER!" they wouldn't handle that situation with the skepticism it deserves.

I'm just saying it must be weird to have a gigantic information blindspot where cognitive dissonance is a required state of being in order to maintain your ignorance.


I've been trying to teach the kids about the suspiciously specific denial, like when you knock and say "what's going on" and they immediately yell back "don't come in"
 
abb3w [TotalFark]
2022-08-02 8:36:57 AM  

HighOnCraic: From the article:

"John Adams was running as a Federalist, of course, seeking reelection, and his main opponent was Thomas Jefferson, running as a Republican."

How did he manage to run as a Republican in 1800, when the party was founded in 1854?


States' Rights?
 
zappaisfrank
2022-08-02 8:38:03 AM  

rikkitikkitavi: JJR: here is Wisconsin being stolen in 2020:

You do (or apparently don't) realize that Wisconsin doesn't use an electoral representative system. It doesn't matter if Trump wins 99 counties to Biden's one. While Trump claimed the undecided counties between that first and second snapshot, the total vote count in the blue counties and cities continued to accrue, dramatically surpassing the total red count. Within individual states, it's total votes, not counties that matter.

It's not rocket-surgery, dude. It's simple math.


We are dealing with this same cognitive failure in Michigan which is why the simpletons here believe it was "stolen"...

After polls closed and votes were being counted, Trump jumped out to an early lead. Michigan, however, allows no-excuse absentee balloting and state law mandates those ballots cannot be canvassed until election day. (A policy passed by Republicans, BTW).

Somewhere around 2:30am, counting of a large number of those ballots finished up and they were uploaded to the statewide tally and Trump's lead evaporated.

It was all done by the book with paper trails and accountability. But since Trump supporters are predominantly idiots, they can't put this together and believe it as the factual account it is. They have to cling to lies and conspiracies in order to cope with disappointment after being overconfident.

Trump certainly did manage to capture the hearts and minds of Moron America.
 
stinkyboss
2022-08-02 8:40:22 AM  

make me some tea: Mark Levin is a goddamn idiot and no one should take legal information from him, ever.

This is a tactic these people use to hook the listener and convince them that he's giving them secret information, like it's the decoder ring or something. It makes them feel special, "l know something you don't know" kind of thing. They get their fix.

[Fark user image image 425x102]


the local host on the shiatty radio station here likes to use the "they think you're stupid" line.

i mean, we do, but it's a similar tactic.
 
houstondragon
2022-08-02 8:44:12 AM  

make me some tea: Mark Levin is a goddamn idiot and no one should take legal information from him, ever.

This is a tactic these people use to hook the listener and convince them that he's giving them secret information, like it's the decoder ring or something. It makes them feel special, "l know something you don't know" kind of thing. They get their fix.

[Fark user image image 425x102]


"Democracy hates this one trick for insurrection!" >.>
 
Skleenar
2022-08-02 8:44:21 AM  

zappaisfrank: y the book with paper trails and accountability. But since Trump supporters are predominantly idiots, they can't put this together and believe it as the factual account it is. They have to cling to lies and conspiracies in order to cope with disappointment after being overconfident.


And yet, there is a certain boldness in the confidence to roll out that sort of "reasoning" in a www.farkdotcom.com poltab thread.

It's kind of impressive in it's sheer fail.
 
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