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(Engadget)   Say what you will, but Diner's Club never had to defend itself in a child porn case   (engadget.com) divider line
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1052 clicks; posted to Business » on 01 Aug 2022 at 8:53 PM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-01 9:09:46 PM  
Discover Card knows the age of consent in every state, though.
 
2022-08-01 9:12:44 PM  
Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.
 
2022-08-01 9:19:03 PM  

Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.


Citation(s) please.
 
2022-08-01 9:31:25 PM  
Player's Club unavailable for comment.
 
2022-08-01 9:40:07 PM  
FTFA: "The lawsuit was filed by a woman whose underage videos were posted on Pornhub without her permission. "

Traci Lords?
 
2022-08-01 9:52:09 PM  
Now, if someone gets a court order on Pornhub that illegal things are going down THEN absolutely everyone has a responsibility to cut it out. But there's shaky ground on saying Visa has a responsibility to do detective work ahead of time to make sure they're not doing anything illegal.

I'm kind of on Visa's side on this strangely enough. They can't keep track of everything that is being done by every employee of every store in America. If it doesn't involve the payment network in any way whatsoever, what obligation is there to make sure no one in any store is doing something illegal? Are they going to send secret shoppers to my grocery store to make sure they're not overcharging me on lettuce?
 
2022-08-01 9:56:17 PM  

Sim Tree: Now, if someone gets a court order on Pornhub that illegal things are going down THEN absolutely everyone has a responsibility to cut it out. But there's shaky ground on saying Visa has a responsibility to do detective work ahead of time to make sure they're not doing anything illegal.

I'm kind of on Visa's side on this strangely enough. They can't keep track of everything that is being done by every employee of every store in America. If it doesn't involve the payment network in any way whatsoever, what obligation is there to make sure no one in any store is doing something illegal? Are they going to send secret shoppers to my grocery store to make sure they're not overcharging me on lettuce?


Frankly it just sounds like an anti-porn crusader tactic. "Better not process porn payments or you might be charged/accused of profiting from illegal activity!"
 
2022-08-01 9:57:46 PM  
I don't understand. People pay for porn? With actual money?
 
2022-08-01 10:09:13 PM  

greatgodyoshi: I don't understand. People pay for porn? With actual money?


Yeah. It's weird.
 
2022-08-01 10:22:27 PM  
There is child porn on pornhub?  I thought they were legit, I mean at least as far as that goes with porn.
 
2022-08-01 10:32:49 PM  

EvilEgg: There is child porn on pornhub?  I thought they were legit, I mean at least as far as that goes with porn.


I assume it's the nearly-legal-age variety, but I don't go to pornhub. How dare they charge for porn?
 
2022-08-01 11:02:53 PM  

Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.


Of course credit cards are used for illicit things. The difference is, and the point of the lawsuit was that...

Because it's centralized there is someone (VISA) who could potentially be negligent in processing payments for kiddie porn.

If it were BTC there would be nobody to include in the lawsuit. It being inherently more immune to regulation and oversight is exactly why people prefer it for illicit things.
 
2022-08-01 11:03:31 PM  

Sim Tree: Now, if someone gets a court order on Pornhub that illegal things are going down THEN absolutely everyone has a responsibility to cut it out. But there's shaky ground on saying Visa has a responsibility to do detective work ahead of time to make sure they're not doing anything illegal.

I'm kind of on Visa's side on this strangely enough. They can't keep track of everything that is being done by every employee of every store in America. If it doesn't involve the payment network in any way whatsoever, what obligation is there to make sure no one in any store is doing something illegal? Are they going to send secret shoppers to my grocery store to make sure they're not overcharging me on lettuce?


For the purposes of pre-trial summary judgement, the court assumes all the accusations are real, and will be proven at trial.  It's then up to the plaintiff to actually prove them at trial.

Summary judgement would only be granted if, even assuming all the allegations are true, the respondent still didn't do anything for which they'd be liable.
 
2022-08-01 11:36:18 PM  

EvilEgg: There is child porn on pornhub?  I thought they were legit, I mean at least as far as that goes with porn.


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2022-08-02 7:51:22 AM  

2wolves: Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.

Citation(s) please.



Citation?  my Memory over the last 1+ years.
 
2022-08-02 8:01:54 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.

Of course credit cards are used for illicit things. The difference is, and the point of the lawsuit was that...

Because it's centralized there is someone (VISA) who could potentially be negligent in processing payments for kiddie porn.

If it were BTC there would be nobody to include in the lawsuit. It being inherently more immune to regulation and oversight is exactly why people prefer it for illicit things.



i trust the Community more than any government regulation or "oversight"

the reason is that the very same people doing the "oversight" in the government are former Industry mogals.

its a revolving door between government and the Industry they are "regulating"

its called Regulatory Capture.

look it up.

Murca
 
2022-08-02 8:03:37 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.

Of course credit cards are used for illicit things. The difference is, and the point of the lawsuit was that...

Because it's centralized there is someone (VISA) who could potentially be negligent in processing payments for kiddie porn.

If it were BTC there would be nobody to include in the lawsuit. It being inherently more immune to regulation and oversight is exactly why people prefer it for illicit things.



Goldman's Sack even has its own group in the Congress.  kinda handy to have them around for Goldman.
 
2022-08-02 8:24:26 AM  

Sim Tree: Now, if someone gets a court order on Pornhub that illegal things are going down THEN absolutely everyone has a responsibility to cut it out. But there's shaky ground on saying Visa has a responsibility to do detective work ahead of time to make sure they're not doing anything illegal.

I'm kind of on Visa's side on this strangely enough. They can't keep track of everything that is being done by every employee of every store in America. If it doesn't involve the payment network in any way whatsoever, what obligation is there to make sure no one in any store is doing something illegal? Are they going to send secret shoppers to my grocery store to make sure they're not overcharging me on lettuce?


Would it change your position if Visa had account managers for specific corporate customers that process huge amounts? I.e., Tom's Diner down the street processing $80k a month through Visa has to call the 1-800 number, but Pornhub selling $80 million/ month receives a phone call, "Hi Pornhub, this is Terry, your service rep from Visa platinum payment processing. Let's talk about keeping you in the Visa family..."

I'm not saying it's like that. I'm just curious if it would (if true) potentially influence your opinion?
 
2022-08-02 8:25:37 AM  

trialpha: Sim Tree: Now, if someone gets a court order on Pornhub that illegal things are going down THEN absolutely everyone has a responsibility to cut it out. But there's shaky ground on saying Visa has a responsibility to do detective work ahead of time to make sure they're not doing anything illegal.

I'm kind of on Visa's side on this strangely enough. They can't keep track of everything that is being done by every employee of every store in America. If it doesn't involve the payment network in any way whatsoever, what obligation is there to make sure no one in any store is doing something illegal? Are they going to send secret shoppers to my grocery store to make sure they're not overcharging me on lettuce?

Frankly it just sounds like an anti-porn crusader tactic. "Better not process porn payments or you might be charged/accused of profiting from illegal activity!"


The lawsuit is not anti-porn. It is anti child rape.
 
2022-08-02 8:27:05 AM  

greatgodyoshi: I don't understand. People pay for porn? With actual money?


I don't think so. But advertisers pay Pornhub to display their advertisements next to the videos. It may be understandable if someone has not noticed those ads.
 
2022-08-02 4:54:54 PM  

EvilEgg: There is child porn on pornhub?  I thought they were legit, I mean at least as far as that goes with porn.


truly doubt it is anything beyond months shy of 18.

xnxx.com FTW
 
2022-08-02 5:50:45 PM  

Linux_Yes: 2wolves: Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.

Citation(s) please.


Citation?  my Memory over the last 1+ years.


So you're going with anecdotes.  OK, you run with that.
 
2022-08-02 7:35:43 PM  

2wolves: Linux_Yes: 2wolves: Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.

Citation(s) please.


Citation?  my Memory over the last 1+ years.

So you're going with anecdotes.  OK, you run with that.



well, mr Lawyer......memory does do quite well in a court room.  especially in front of a Jury.

you sound like another dumb murcan.
 
2022-08-02 7:37:29 PM  
i'm still waiting for someone to look up Regulatory Capture.

geez farkers, let's get on it. let's learn something today for a change.
 
2022-08-02 7:40:32 PM  

2wolves: Linux_Yes: 2wolves: Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.

Citation(s) please.


Citation?  my Memory over the last 1+ years.

So you're going with anecdotes.  OK, you run with that.


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2022-08-02 7:43:35 PM  

2wolves: Linux_Yes: 2wolves: Linux_Yes: Gee

i thought only crypto was used for these kinds of purchases............at least that's what i hear on Fark.

Citation(s) please.


Citation?  my Memory over the last 1+ years.

So you're going with anecdotes.  OK, you run with that.


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2022-08-03 6:27:54 AM  
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And that's not anecdotal.

My first WAN/LAN was a WANG 2200.  Things change.
 
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