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2022-07-25 11:01:42 PM  
I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.
 
2022-07-25 11:13:01 PM  
I've seen a non-starting start menu in Windows 10, but the desktop wallpaper prominently featured the logo of a government [redacted] agency that I presume felt Windows 10 wasn't already annoying enough to use, and needed to be made more user-unfriendly.  Sigh.
 
2022-07-25 11:17:27 PM  

Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.


I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.
 
2022-07-25 11:47:44 PM  
What's "Windows"?

/39yo
//havent used Windows in 15 years
///is cntrl+alt+delete still a thing?
 
2022-07-26 4:26:36 AM  

morg: Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.

I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.


They're already testing tmwhat the market will bear with Word as a subscription service.

Office software
A f*cking subscription
 
2022-07-26 6:57:49 AM  

morg: Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.


I don't have any control over the version of Windows I have to use for work (VPN, remote desktop to what's currently a Windows 10 VM), but after seeing what the Win 11 requirements would be, I decided to preemptively abandon Windows.  Installed Linux Mint on all of my computers, and for those Windows applications I absolutely have to use locally, I installed both Win 7 and Win 10 as VMs under VirtualBox.  It's been a breeze.
 
2022-07-26 7:47:29 AM  
The line-up consisted, simply, of six hydrocoptic marzal veins, so fitted to the ambiphasient lunar waneshaft that side fumbling was effectively prevented.
 
2022-07-26 7:56:15 AM  
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2022-07-26 8:59:05 AM  

Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.


Other than its cleaner looks, I guess that it can run Linux and Android (I know Android is Linux, but it was added as two different things).

Thats what I have noticed anyway. No downsides apart from initially being slower.
 
2022-07-26 9:01:01 AM  

morg: Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.

I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.


It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...
 
2022-07-26 9:16:50 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...


The problem with "easy" is that it's a relative term.  Would I be able to do it?  Sure.  I've been working with computers since DOS 3.x was brand spankin' new, so I've never come across something I can't figure out.  It's why Linux was easy for me, from installation to looking up how to do things, even when the solution requires a terminal window.

Would my wife be able to handle a workaround?  No, because she's a typical computer user.  And that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on, the vast majority of people not being technically proficient enough to avoid the new requirements in Windows 11.
 
2022-07-26 9:21:08 AM  

born_yesterday: morg: Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.

I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.

They're already testing tmwhat the market will bear with Word as a subscription service.

Office software
A f*cking subscription


They're still launching one off purchase versions. I'm still using Office 2007. No one is forcing you to use the subscription version.
 
2022-07-26 9:50:20 AM  

The Weekend Baker: Ketchuponsteak: It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

The problem with "easy" is that it's a relative term.  Would I be able to do it?  Sure.  I've been working with computers since DOS 3.x was brand spankin' new, so I've never come across something I can't figure out.  It's why Linux was easy for me, from installation to looking up how to do things, even when the solution requires a terminal window.

Would my wife be able to handle a workaround?  No, because she's a typical computer user.  And that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on, the vast majority of people not being technically proficient enough to avoid the new requirements in Windows 11.


I believe the work around was disconnecting the internet during account setup. If you know about it, it's easy.

Why someone who uses Microsoft Windows would be against having at Microsoft account is beyond me though. If someone hates/distrust Microsoft, then using their software seems folly.

Myself, I have firstnamelastname on Outlook just to prevent other people from getting it. And then forward it to Gmail, wooptidoo.
 
2022-07-26 10:12:22 AM  

fatalvenom: What's "Windows"?

/39yo
//havent used Windows in 15 years
///is cntrl+alt+delete still a thing?


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2022-07-26 10:25:48 AM  

morg: Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.

I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.


I'll second this bit. I upgraded to 11 when something in my 10 Pro install got borked by some unknown gremlin.

It does what it's supposed to do, and I've not had any really issues. Performance has been on par with, or a bit faster than 10, and I've not had any slow down issues some folks complained about.

The only big complaint I have is that if I go to open an app using the start menu, there's an extra click to get to the full list, and there's an extra click in the context menu should I need to use 7Zip (which one of my clients prefers as a delivery format).

Outside of that, no real difference +/-.
 
2022-07-26 10:30:34 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: The Weekend Baker: Ketchuponsteak: It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

The problem with "easy" is that it's a relative term.  Would I be able to do it?  Sure.  I've been working with computers since DOS 3.x was brand spankin' new, so I've never come across something I can't figure out.  It's why Linux was easy for me, from installation to looking up how to do things, even when the solution requires a terminal window.

Would my wife be able to handle a workaround?  No, because she's a typical computer user.  And that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on, the vast majority of people not being technically proficient enough to avoid the new requirements in Windows 11.

I believe the work around was disconnecting the internet during account setup. If you know about it, it's easy.

Why someone who uses Microsoft Windows would be against having at Microsoft account is beyond me though. If someone hates/distrust Microsoft, then using their software seems folly.

Myself, I have firstnamelastname on Outlook just to prevent other people from getting it. And then forward it to Gmail, wooptidoo.


Nah, not even that. I built a rig for my buddy recently and set him up on 11 using his Yahoo email account (which left me a little shook, frankly). It asked me twice to create a Microsoft account, but it wasn't mandatory. This was a couple months ago.
 
2022-07-26 11:17:33 AM  
Gets Apple device (needs Apple ID) - ok!
Gets Google device (needs Google ID) - ok!
Gets Microsoft device (needs Microsoft ID) - ZOMG WHAT THE HELL?!?! THIS IN AN INVASION OF MY PRIVACY! EVEN IF ALL I NEED TO DO IS CREATE A RANDOM THROWAWAY EMAIL ADDRESS!!! FASCISM!!!
 
2022-07-26 12:38:32 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: morg: Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.

I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.

It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...


I thought the workaround was only available for Pro? As for the registration, it's just the principle of the thing. There's no good reason they need a registered account associated with an install other than data collection.
 
2022-07-26 12:56:22 PM  

morg: I thought the workaround was only available for Pro? As for the registration, it's just the principle of the thing. There's no good reason they need a registered account associated with an install other than data collection.


what about restoration?

OS gets borked and you need to reinstall?

lost the DVD or the software key, then what?  sign into your account to download a copy to load from a USB?

that is about the only thing I can think of.
 
2022-07-26 1:59:41 PM  

morg: Ketchuponsteak: morg: Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.

I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.

It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

I thought the workaround was only available for Pro? As for the registration, it's just the principle of the thing. There's no good reason they need a registered account associated with an install other than data collection.


https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

The workaround works for both. You're thinking about how pro. used to allow you to circumvent it directly. But that's not really a workaround, since its officially supported.

I mean, consider the alternative. Microsoft doesn't want to prevent people without internet from using Windows 11 Home, lest they are forced to use Linux. ;)

From their perspective there's several good reasons. There's the Windows Store, like Google Play, which requires an account. And to offer you their various services. Dunno if two good reasons counts as several.

All the same, now that Windows is basically free, it makes sense that Microsoft is more keen on pushing their other services.

I have my account back from when I owned a Lumia 930, and from what I can tell their services are just as good as their direct competitors.
 
2022-07-26 2:01:32 PM  

urethra_franklin: Ketchuponsteak: The Weekend Baker: Ketchuponsteak: It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

The problem with "easy" is that it's a relative term.  Would I be able to do it?  Sure.  I've been working with computers since DOS 3.x was brand spankin' new, so I've never come across something I can't figure out.  It's why Linux was easy for me, from installation to looking up how to do things, even when the solution requires a terminal window.

Would my wife be able to handle a workaround?  No, because she's a typical computer user.  And that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on, the vast majority of people not being technically proficient enough to avoid the new requirements in Windows 11.

I believe the work around was disconnecting the internet during account setup. If you know about it, it's easy.

Why someone who uses Microsoft Windows would be against having at Microsoft account is beyond me though. If someone hates/distrust Microsoft, then using their software seems folly.

Myself, I have firstnamelastname on Outlook just to prevent other people from getting it. And then forward it to Gmail, wooptidoo.

Nah, not even that. I built a rig for my buddy recently and set him up on 11 using his Yahoo email account (which left me a little shook, frankly). It asked me twice to create a Microsoft account, but it wasn't mandatory. This was a couple months ago.


That was probably Pro. Its been removed from Home as far as I can read.
 
2022-07-26 2:16:14 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Gets Apple device (needs Apple ID) - ok!
Gets Google device (needs Google ID) - ok!
Gets Microsoft device (needs Microsoft ID) - ZOMG WHAT THE HELL?!?! THIS IN AN INVASION OF MY PRIVACY! EVEN IF ALL I NEED TO DO IS CREATE A RANDOM THROWAWAY EMAIL ADDRESS!!! FASCISM!!!


Android devices generally do not require a Google account to use.  Google Store and Google Suite apps do, but that can be avoided somewhat by side-loading apps and using Google-free alternatives.
 
2022-07-26 2:19:14 PM  

Hyjamon: morg: I thought the workaround was only available for Pro? As for the registration, it's just the principle of the thing. There's no good reason they need a registered account associated with an install other than data collection.

what about restoration?

OS gets borked and you need to reinstall?

lost the DVD or the software key, then what?  sign into your account to download a copy to load from a USB?

that is about the only thing I can think of.


That's actually a pretty good reason. It's pretty amazing that I haven't borked an OS that badly yet.
 
2022-07-26 2:42:18 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: The Weekend Baker: Ketchuponsteak: It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

The problem with "easy" is that it's a relative term.  Would I be able to do it?  Sure.  I've been working with computers since DOS 3.x was brand spankin' new, so I've never come across something I can't figure out.  It's why Linux was easy for me, from installation to looking up how to do things, even when the solution requires a terminal window.

Would my wife be able to handle a workaround?  No, because she's a typical computer user.  And that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on, the vast majority of people not being technically proficient enough to avoid the new requirements in Windows 11.


I believe the work around was disconnecting the internet during account setup. If you know about it, it's easy.

Why someone who uses Microsoft Windows would be against having at Microsoft account is beyond me though


Microsoft has patched that workaround out for the 2022 fall release.  Unplugging the network during OOBE will take you back to the 'connect to a network' screen.  The requirement for MS account sign-in to complete OOBE is extended to Pro in the upcoming release.

The problems with logging into your system with a Microsoft account are that it disables many local administration features, enables push features you may not want, and ruins your ability to access non-Microsoft domain resources.

My biggest problem with it is that I have four different accounts at Microsoft that I need to use simultaneously.  Microsoft's services are total failure at understanding that the PC login MS id is not the one they need to use. Logging into the PC with one of my Microsoft IDs blocks me from using the other three IDs until I change user.
 
2022-07-26 3:01:17 PM  

Hyjamon: lost the DVD or the software key, then what?


Up-to-date Windows ISO image is available from Microsoft, and the software key can usually be read from the motherboard
 
2022-07-26 3:50:46 PM  

Dinjiin: Representative of the unwashed masses: Gets Apple device (needs Apple ID) - ok!
Gets Google device (needs Google ID) - ok!
Gets Microsoft device (needs Microsoft ID) - ZOMG WHAT THE HELL?!?! THIS IN AN INVASION OF MY PRIVACY! EVEN IF ALL I NEED TO DO IS CREATE A RANDOM THROWAWAY EMAIL ADDRESS!!! FASCISM!!!

Android devices generally do not require a Google account to use.  Google Store and Google Suite apps do, but that can be avoided somewhat by side-loading apps and using Google-free alternatives.


Meh, I still fail to see why signing up with a random email you never use for anything that doesn't have your name etc is such a deal breaker.
 
2022-07-26 3:54:33 PM  

thrasherrr: My biggest problem with it is that I have four different accounts at Microsoft that I need to use simultaneously.  Microsoft's services are total failure at understanding that the PC login MS id is not the one they need to use. Logging into the PC with one of my Microsoft IDs blocks me from using the other three IDs until I change user.


this is one aspect of "connective-ness" and syncing that is really annoying.

I would like to keep work and personal separate.  Then in my own personal life there are facets I don't want interacting and syncing yet again.

something I have yet to crack is why when I use google for directions on my home PC the "find my location" pings my work address as my current location.
 
2022-07-26 3:55:34 PM  

Rob4127: Hyjamon: lost the DVD or the software key, then what?

Up-to-date Windows ISO image is available from Microsoft, and the software key can usually be read from the motherboard


cool, didn't know about the motherboard part.
 
2022-07-26 3:57:34 PM  

morg: Hyjamon: morg: I thought the workaround was only available for Pro? As for the registration, it's just the principle of the thing. There's no good reason they need a registered account associated with an install other than data collection.

what about restoration?

OS gets borked and you need to reinstall?

lost the DVD or the software key, then what?  sign into your account to download a copy to load from a USB?

that is about the only thing I can think of.

That's actually a pretty good reason. It's pretty amazing that I haven't borked an OS that badly yet.


my one case was a slowly dying HDD.  luckily it died slow enough I could back up data and then buy a new fangled SSD.
 
2022-07-26 4:34:36 PM  

thrasherrr: Ketchuponsteak: The Weekend Baker: Ketchuponsteak: It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

The problem with "easy" is that it's a relative term.  Would I be able to do it?  Sure.  I've been working with computers since DOS 3.x was brand spankin' new, so I've never come across something I can't figure out.  It's why Linux was easy for me, from installation to looking up how to do things, even when the solution requires a terminal window.

Would my wife be able to handle a workaround?  No, because she's a typical computer user.  And that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on, the vast majority of people not being technically proficient enough to avoid the new requirements in Windows 11.


I believe the work around was disconnecting the internet during account setup. If you know about it, it's easy.

Why someone who uses Microsoft Windows would be against having at Microsoft account is beyond me though

Microsoft has patched that workaround out for the 2022 fall release.  Unplugging the network during OOBE will take you back to the 'connect to a network' screen.  The requirement for MS account sign-in to complete OOBE is extended to Pro in the upcoming release.

The problems with logging into your system with a Microsoft account are that it disables many local administration features, enables push features you may not want, and ruins your ability to access non-Microsoft domain resources.

My biggest problem with it is that I have four different accounts at Microsoft that I need to use simultaneously.  Microsoft's services are total failure at understanding that the PC login MS id is not the one they need to use. Logging into the PC with one of my Microsoft IDs blocks me from using the other three IDs until I change user.


I am not familiar with Windows Server, but, I am guessing Microsoft has a product that fits your use case?
 
2022-07-26 5:53:09 PM  

morg: Ketchuponsteak: morg: Hyjamon: I assume shortcut keyboard commands were eliminated to make things more "efficient" for the users?

what is great about 11? it is starting to be rolled out at work.

I've got it on a laptop I don't use too much and it's not exactly a ringing endorsement but I haven't found anything too annoying and there wasn't any perceptable performance drop off which I was expecting with my meager resources. Actually the most annoying thing is that every few updates they keep trying to get me to register and login with an MS account. When that becomes mandatory is when I quit windows.

It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

I thought the workaround was only available for Pro? As for the registration, it's just the principle of the thing. There's no good reason they need a registered account associated with an install other than data collection.


Big and useful features like Onedrive cloud storage clearly need an account to log into.
The fact that any text messages I get on my phone appear on the desktop of my PC needs a central account to work. Ditto all the photos I take with my phone appearing on my PC desktop automatically.
If I see an interesting article on my tablet while out and want to read it when I get home I click a icon on Edge and that that URL pops up when I open Edge on my desktop PC.
If I'm on holiday on the other side of the world and need a copy of my passport or a copy of my travel insurance I can log into my onedrive account and get those documents.

You don't have to use any of these features, but they're very useful, and they need an account.
 
2022-07-26 5:55:56 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: From their perspective there's several good reasons. There's the Windows Store, like Google Play, which requires an account. And to offer you their various services. Dunno if two good reasons counts as several.


Another good point. I got a new Windows tablet a few months ago and I went to the windows store and it listed all the apps I had had on my previous tablet as well as my PC. I just clicked the ones I wanted on the new tablet and it downloaded them all. Saved me trying to remember then, searching for them etc.
 
2022-07-26 6:07:09 PM  

Hyjamon: thrasherrr: My biggest problem with it is that I have four different accounts at Microsoft that I need to use simultaneously.  Microsoft's services are total failure at understanding that the PC login MS id is not the one they need to use. Logging into the PC with one of my Microsoft IDs blocks me from using the other three IDs until I change user.

this is one aspect of "connective-ness" and syncing that is really annoying.

I would like to keep work and personal separate.  Then in my own personal life there are facets I don't want interacting and syncing yet again.

something I have yet to crack is why when I use google for directions on my home PC the "find my location" pings my work address as my current location.


Edge lets you set up different profiles, all with different accounts, logins, favourites etc.
Manage Work and Personal Profiles in Microsoft Edge
Youtube OFYQwaS4UVw
 
2022-07-26 6:31:16 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Hyjamon: thrasherrr: My biggest problem with it is that I have four different accounts at Microsoft that I need to use simultaneously.  Microsoft's services are total failure at understanding that the PC login MS id is not the one they need to use. Logging into the PC with one of my Microsoft IDs blocks me from using the other three IDs until I change user.

this is one aspect of "connective-ness" and syncing that is really annoying.

I would like to keep work and personal separate.  Then in my own personal life there are facets I don't want interacting and syncing yet again.

something I have yet to crack is why when I use google for directions on my home PC the "find my location" pings my work address as my current location.

Edge lets you set up different profiles, all with different accounts, logins, favourites etc.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/OFYQwaS4UVw]


agreed that profiles are nice, still not fluent with them.

Yet have that setup with chrome. a work and personal profile. have done my damnest to separate the two and yet the "current location" thing still persists and I still have "ghost folders" on my home PC from when it was connected to my work OneDrive account during the pandemic

/been a while since I did a refresh of my win 10 as it is.
//oneDrive is kinda nice
 
2022-07-26 7:18:11 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Ketchuponsteak: From their perspective there's several good reasons. There's the Windows Store, like Google Play, which requires an account. And to offer you their various services. Dunno if two good reasons counts as several.

Another good point. I got a new Windows tablet a few months ago and I went to the windows store and it listed all the apps I had had on my previous tablet as well as my PC. I just clicked the ones I wanted on the new tablet and it downloaded them all. Saved me trying to remember then, searching for them etc.


From a SysADMs perspective, as someone replied to me, perhaps it can be annoying.

But from my, well, talking to someone who signed up for Apple, Samsung, Google, Huawei, etc., it's really just a cloud service, that does what it does. So I don't get the gripe from someone who uses either, and is surprised to see that Microsoft does the same.

I do use Gmail, so, I guess. And it remembers my passwords, oh well.

At least I am aware. :)
 
2022-07-26 7:28:25 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Dinjiin: Representative of the unwashed masses: Gets Apple device (needs Apple ID) - ok!
Gets Google device (needs Google ID) - ok!
Gets Microsoft device (needs Microsoft ID) - ZOMG WHAT THE HELL?!?! THIS IN AN INVASION OF MY PRIVACY! EVEN IF ALL I NEED TO DO IS CREATE A RANDOM THROWAWAY EMAIL ADDRESS!!! FASCISM!!!

Android devices generally do not require a Google account to use.  Google Store and Google Suite apps do, but that can be avoided somewhat by side-loading apps and using Google-free alternatives.

Meh, I still fail to see why signing up with a random email you never use for anything that doesn't have your name etc is such a deal breaker.


Apple had no problem letting me sign up for iCloud or whatever with my GMail address as my ID, either.
 
2022-07-26 10:56:50 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: urethra_franklin: Ketchuponsteak: The Weekend Baker: Ketchuponsteak: It'll never become mandatory, there's an easy workaround.

Creating an account is also easy. But I guess some people...

The problem with "easy" is that it's a relative term.  Would I be able to do it?  Sure.  I've been working with computers since DOS 3.x was brand spankin' new, so I've never come across something I can't figure out.  It's why Linux was easy for me, from installation to looking up how to do things, even when the solution requires a terminal window.

Would my wife be able to handle a workaround?  No, because she's a typical computer user.  And that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on, the vast majority of people not being technically proficient enough to avoid the new requirements in Windows 11.

I believe the work around was disconnecting the internet during account setup. If you know about it, it's easy.

Why someone who uses Microsoft Windows would be against having at Microsoft account is beyond me though. If someone hates/distrust Microsoft, then using their software seems folly.

Myself, I have firstnamelastname on Outlook just to prevent other people from getting it. And then forward it to Gmail, wooptidoo.

Nah, not even that. I built a rig for my buddy recently and set him up on 11 using his Yahoo email account (which left me a little shook, frankly). It asked me twice to create a Microsoft account, but it wasn't mandatory. This was a couple months ago.

That was probably Pro. Its been removed from Home as far as I can read.


Good to know. Didn't realize that could be a difference, being Microsoft I should've assumed.
 
2022-07-27 12:51:02 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: My biggest problem with it is that I have four different accounts at Microsoft that I need to use simultaneously.  Microsoft's services are total failure at understanding that the PC login MS id is not the one they need to use. Logging into the PC with one of my Microsoft IDs blocks me from using the other three IDs until I change user.


I am not familiar with Windows Server, but, I am guessing Microsoft has a product that fits your use case?


The problem isn't the product.  It's that Microsoft's own server policies assume that your PC login on the MS AD is the only MS login instance you will ever use.  So you do something like try to log into Connect on another ID from a PC joined to the MS AD, and the Connect web site explodes from sucking your machine login creds into a bad cookie.  Or you log into a second instance of Office 365 and OneDrive deletes all the files your second ID has in the cloud because they don't match the machine instance. Or you can't change any password on other domains, because the option to change passwords is just gonefrom Windows if your PC ID is logged into Microsoft..

The answer is 'Don't log your personal PC into Microsoft'.  If you do that, you can use app instance logins and everything works pretty well.
 
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