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(Guardian)   In Russian chess robot takes you   (theguardian.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Robotics, Chess, Robot, Industrial robot, Sergey Lazarev, Last week, quick responses of a seven-year-old boy, child's finger  
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2022-07-24 11:42:13 AM  
Philadelphia was right to murder Hitch-Bot and send a message immediately.
 
2022-07-24 12:18:36 PM  
Nuclear mega torpedoes for peace.
 
2022-07-24 1:38:20 PM  
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2022-07-24 2:31:23 PM  
Worked with industrial robots at the start of my career. There was always a fence with a tripwire or optical sensor that would emergency-stop the robot if crossed. Everyone inside the workcell was holding a Deadman switch and if anyone let go, the robot would e-stop. There were hydraulic and software interlocks that would e-stop the robot if something weird or unexpected happened.

If work was being done on the robot itself, each person had their own padlock locking down the power supply so the robot could not be activated until all the locks were removed by the person who attached it. Once a guy had a heart attack while working on a robot and got rushed to the hospital. Took two days and multiple consultations with legal before that padlock could be cut off.

Or, apparently, you can just do whatever and hope nothing bad happens?
 
2022-07-24 3:51:42 PM  
Well. I'm going to hell.  The headline made me laugh 😆 🤣 😂 😄 😀 💀
 
2022-07-24 3:55:04 PM  
Jesus, that's creepy

The dystopia is very real. Russian chess robots are gonna murder us all

*goes to write screenplay*
 
2022-07-24 3:55:17 PM  
Robot built in Ukraine?
 
2022-07-24 3:55:39 PM  
I like how the article segues into industrial robot deaths in the US. Factories are dangerous. I've worked in a few and you really gotta respect the robots pathways.

Now I didn't sit down with em for a nice game of chess though...
 
2022-07-24 3:56:30 PM  
Was he cheating? Seven year olds are born cheaters.
 
2022-07-24 3:56:53 PM  
Jump the queen!
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2022-07-24 3:57:16 PM  
"He broke the rules so I broke his finger"
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2022-07-24 3:57:56 PM  

sorceror: Worked with industrial robots at the start of my career. There was always a fence with a tripwire or optical sensor that would emergency-stop the robot if crossed. Everyone inside the workcell was holding a Deadman switch and if anyone let go, the robot would e-stop. There were hydraulic and software interlocks that would e-stop the robot if something weird or unexpected happened.

If work was being done on the robot itself, each person had their own padlock locking down the power supply so the robot could not be activated until all the locks were removed by the person who attached it. Once a guy had a heart attack while working on a robot and got rushed to the hospital. Took two days and multiple consultations with legal before that padlock could be cut off.

Or, apparently, you can just do whatever and hope nothing bad happens?


It was a chess tournament in Moscow.

So, ya know, it went like typical for them lately. They're like the Alabama of the globe.
 
2022-07-24 3:59:01 PM  
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2022-07-24 4:01:16 PM  

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2022-07-24 4:01:42 PM  
Really there should be signage at the tournament table

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2022-07-24 4:01:45 PM  
And in the under 400 ELO division, they'll make you eat your own bishop
 
2022-07-24 4:02:29 PM  
Who knew Bender played chess?
 
2022-07-24 4:02:31 PM  
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STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!
 
2022-07-24 4:08:12 PM  
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Russia? Robot? Are we sure it was not some guy in a robot costume?
 
2022-07-24 4:09:46 PM  
Sergey Smagin, vice-president of the Russian Chess Federation, told Baza the robot appeared to pounce after it took one of the boy's pieces. Rather than waiting for the machine to complete its move, the boy opted for a quick riposte, he said.

"There are certain safety rules and the child, apparently, violated them. When he made his move, he did not realise he first had to wait," Smagin said. "This is an extremely rare case, the first I can recall," he added.

Lazarev had a different account, saying the child had "made a move, and after that we need to give time for the robot to answer, but the boy hurried and the robot grabbed him". Either way, he said, the robot's suppliers were "going to have to think again".


So, not malevolence on the robot's part: the child moved out of turn, and the robot mistook his fingers for a misplaced piece that needed to be reset.

This is still how the robot uprising happens, though.  Not by the machines breaking the rules we set for them, but by ruthlessly following them despite the unintended consequences.
 
2022-07-24 4:09:58 PM  
Even the robots cheat in Russia.
 
2022-07-24 4:10:05 PM  
Want to try my guy, Russian robot?

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2022-07-24 4:18:23 PM  

Mouser: This is still how the robot uprising happens, though.  Not by the machines breaking the rules we set for them, but by ruthlessly following them despite the unintended consequences.


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2022-07-24 4:21:15 PM  

drewogatory: Was he cheating? Seven year olds are born cheaters.


Moscow incident occurred because child 'violated' safety rules

There you have it. Break Violate the rules and the robot breaks violates you.

Voila!
 
2022-07-24 4:23:01 PM  
Ahhhh, the age old phalange phalanx.
 
2022-07-24 4:49:56 PM  
why do I hear boss music? (original)
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2022-07-24 4:52:51 PM  
Sam Waterston was right:
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2022-07-24 4:57:00 PM  
First Law
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Third Law
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
 
2022-07-24 4:58:04 PM  

Mouser: Sergey Smagin, vice-president of the Russian Chess Federation, told Baza the robot appeared to pounce after it took one of the boy's pieces. Rather than waiting for the machine to complete its move, the boy opted for a quick riposte, he said.

"There are certain safety rules and the child, apparently, violated them. When he made his move, he did not realise he first had to wait," Smagin said. "This is an extremely rare case, the first I can recall," he added.

Lazarev had a different account, saying the child had "made a move, and after that we need to give time for the robot to answer, but the boy hurried and the robot grabbed him". Either way, he said, the robot's suppliers were "going to have to think again".

So, not malevolence on the robot's part: the child moved out of turn, and the robot mistook his fingers for a misplaced piece that needed to be reset.

This is still how the robot uprising happens, though.  Not by the machines breaking the rules we set for them, but by ruthlessly following them despite the unintended consequences.


You're absolutely right. Malicious compliance and the failure of the Three Laws will doom us all. Looking forward to it
 
2022-07-24 5:03:10 PM  
Russian safety culture.

Again.
 
2022-07-24 5:10:30 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: First Law
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Third Law
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.


But... the robot was not harming a human being, it was picking up a chess piece which inexplicably resisted
 
2022-07-24 5:18:06 PM  

jamspoon: But... the robot was not harming a human being, it was picking up a chess piece which inexplicably resisted


Which should have immediately thrown an exception handled by a full safety stop.

You let go, you don't try to power through whatever got in your way.
 
2022-07-24 5:20:03 PM  
The brat tried the Magnus opening against Magnus.   There had to be consequences.
 
2022-07-24 5:27:47 PM  

studebaker hoch: jamspoon: But... the robot was not harming a human being, it was picking up a chess piece which inexplicably resisted

Which should have immediately thrown an exception handled by a full safety stop.

You let go, you don't try to power through whatever got in your way.


Found the video. Robot appears to be placing the piece, but doesn't release when the path is blocked

https://twitter.com/xakpc/status/1550224137041371144
 
2022-07-24 5:38:08 PM  

studebaker hoch: jamspoon: But... the robot was not harming a human being, it was picking up a chess piece which inexplicably resisted

Which should have immediately thrown an exception handled by a full safety stop.

You let go, you don't try to power through whatever got in your way.


Oh, goodness, you don't know me at all. I'd have thrown the kid across the room for violating my space. I wasn't even finished moving my piece, and the little bastard tried to invade Ukraine. Russians! Feh.
 
2022-07-24 5:44:05 PM  
Ridiculous that they blame a 7 year old when they have an unguarded industrial robot in the middle grabbing at stuff with a mechanical claw.

Even assuming the kid was in the wrong, the basic assumption should be that robots and humans don't mix. You surround your robots with sensors and electronic gates and if there is any intrusion in the safety area, you halt the robot or slow it right down and impede some actions like grabbing pieces.
 
2022-07-24 5:45:44 PM  
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2022-07-24 5:48:02 PM  
"I´m sorry Frank, I think you missed it"

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2022-07-24 5:48:20 PM  

hammettman: Want to try my guy, Russian robot?

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I submitted this story with a Wookiee headline.

Whose arms do I tear from their sockets?

/internetToughGuy
 
2022-07-24 5:54:03 PM  

jamspoon: But... the robot was not harming a human being, it was picking up a chess piece which inexplicably resisted


Was... was the piece black?
 
2022-07-24 5:54:56 PM  
So uh, why the hell are they using a robot with enough power to break bones to move 1/2 ounce chess pieces?  Seems to be more of a feature than a bug if we're being honest with ourselves.
 
2022-07-24 5:55:05 PM  

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2022-07-24 6:02:36 PM  
For now we're just talking about broken fingers.   The real dangers are in teledildonics.
 
2022-07-24 6:03:08 PM  
Interesting game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of invasion?
 
2022-07-24 6:04:10 PM  

studebaker hoch: For now we're just talking about broken fingers.   The real dangers are in teledildonics.


Sir, this is chess tournament
 
2022-07-24 6:10:29 PM  

Rezurok: So uh, why the hell are they using a robot with enough power to break bones to move 1/2 ounce chess pieces?  Seems to be more of a feature than a bug if we're being honest with ourselves.


According to another article the chess robot was playing multiple games at once with this child and others.
 
2022-07-24 6:38:31 PM  
Played by humans, chess is a game of strategic thinking, calm concentration and patient intellectual endeavour. Violence does not usually come into it.

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2022-07-24 6:43:49 PM  
So the robot took a piece and cleared it, kid immediately played another piece into that same square, bot mistook it as a failed clearance of the board and tried again, grabbing kid's hand while it was still on the new piece.

Logically, fine. But yeah how much grab power is needed to pick up a chess piece?
 
2022-07-24 6:48:05 PM  

Don Gato: Who knew Bender played chess?


Sure, if "chess" is something involving blackjack and hookers.
 
2022-07-24 6:48:36 PM  

jamspoon: studebaker hoch: jamspoon: But... the robot was not harming a human being, it was picking up a chess piece which inexplicably resisted

Which should have immediately thrown an exception handled by a full safety stop.

You let go, you don't try to power through whatever got in your way.

Found the video. Robot appears to be placing the piece, but doesn't release when the path is blocked

https://twitter.com/xakpc/status/1550224137041371144


Agreed.

The robot was capturing a piece which appears to be programmed as a two-part move: first remove the piece being captured, then place its piece into position. The robot was in the process of placing its piece when the child, in his impatience (and seeing the speed of the robot, that's understandable) moves his piece into that position, just as the arm is trying to place the piece. Child's finger is pinched underneath, robot won't let go because its positional sensors indicate it hasn't yet reached the board. Nice interlocks ya got there. *sigh*

Headline is all too apt, great jorb Subby
 
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