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(CBC)   Police are ordered not to enforce state abortion ban in..... Texas?   (cbc.ca) divider line
    More: Interesting, Roe v. Wade, Texas cities, Law, Supreme Court of the United States, enforcement of abortion-related crimes, Denton city council, state law, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton  
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2166 clicks; posted to Politics » on 22 Jul 2022 at 2:11 PM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-07-22 10:14:50 AM  
It's almost like there's an election coming up.
 
2022-07-22 10:29:45 AM  
I guess the Texas Rangers will change their motto: One Abortion, One Ranger
 
2022-07-22 12:29:57 PM  
That's their plan?  To give the police "orders"?  Uh-huh.
 
2022-07-22 12:47:48 PM  
Nothing to stop the Austin cops from just ignoring this, or having a Travis County deputy arrest and or beat the doctor and mother to death instead.
 
2022-07-22 1:48:05 PM  
Good. The police should concentrate on real crime, and im sorry RePukeLicans, but a woman's reproductive rights are not a crime
 
2022-07-22 2:12:49 PM  
Better f*cking work.
 
2022-07-22 2:14:07 PM  
However, the resolutions do not legalize abortion in the cities or provide protection from state-level enforcement.


This is like getting pissed off in traffic so you put up your middle finger; only it's just below the window so you're the only person who knows you're doing it.
 
2022-07-22 2:16:09 PM  
Because if anyone always acts in the best interest of citizens and follows orders, it's the police.


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2022-07-22 2:16:31 PM  
What do you think their emergency phone operator lines are like? How often are they're getting phone calls from nosy neighbors and aggressive parents reporting "abortion crimes"?
 
2022-07-22 2:19:53 PM  
Good luck red states, blue cities are the only thing you've got going.
 
2022-07-22 2:20:12 PM  
Doesn't matter. The state police will do enough to discourage it. Those prison terms are pretty long to risk based solely on local law enforcement ignoring the issue.
 
2022-07-22 2:22:09 PM  
It can't work. I approve, of course, but this doesn't defang the bounty laws and the state will just respond with more of its beloved "local-control-NO-NOT-THAT" laws to override it. Texas shiatbags overturned local ordinances banning plastic bags, you think they won't slap this down?

Hey, but while I've got you here, I can tell you what does work -- locating the places of wealth and safety in which rich people gather, and ministering unto them with your Majestic Jesus Totem in controlled three-word orations. I betcha if rich people have a chance to really come to understand the Good Word from the book of Christ -- or I suppose the magazine of Christ if you're a light reader -- they'll have themselves a think about what happens when their trumpos and their godites run wild.

Praise the Jesus!
 
2022-07-22 2:23:28 PM  

fnordfocus: Nothing to stop the Austin cops from just ignoring this, or having a Travis County deputy arrest and or beat the doctor and mother to death instead.


I mean local cops are city employees so yeah ignoring city laws can be reason to terminate.

State troopers will just enforce it though.
 
2022-07-22 2:24:41 PM  
Greg Abbott has closed the state prison system to accepting new inmates, saddling the big city counties with the extra burden of hosting guests who are only in local custody because there's no where else to put them.

Who pays for that?

Greg Abbott expects the locals to pay for their own school districts, then micromanages whether a school gets to mandate masks, impacting school, staff, administration.

Who pays for that?

When you gather 400 cops of various jurisdictions in a town of 16,000, where is Greg Abbott for micromanage a school hostage situation. since his personal state bodyguard is there.

Who dies for that?

What ever Greg Abbott does leaves a hole where local budgets used to be.
 
2022-07-22 2:25:16 PM  
Yeah, good luck. Austin and Denton have already tried to buck the state and the lege just said fark you. Roller peg will walk into town with DPS or the Texas Rangers (the ones that can hit, not the baseball team).
 
2022-07-22 2:25:36 PM  
Hmmm, going to be fun watching the cities scream CITY's rights at the "State"
 
2022-07-22 2:35:02 PM  
Pretty sure the idea of slow walking laws that towns don't like is probably why we also have sanctuary cities - like Austin, too.

I hope all this pisses off Abbott and Paxton to no end. He's gonna be like... "et tu Denton?"
 
2022-07-22 2:35:58 PM  
Texas is like every single other state in the country. Blue where people live, red where they don't.
 
TWX
2022-07-22 2:36:54 PM  

Gin Buddy: However, the resolutions do not legalize abortion in the cities or provide protection from state-level enforcement.


This is like getting pissed off in traffic so you put up your middle finger; only it's just below the window so you're the only person who knows you're doing it.


No, but if police investigations are delayed then it may be much more difficult to present a case, particularly if any clinics have been cleaned and sterilized per standard clinical safety practices, coding for medical billing is kept generic enough that it doesn't conclusively prove what kind of procedure took place, and the women that might ultimately be persecuted have time to recover and don't cooperate with the police by talking to them.

It could also be that municipal police departments won't be allowed to form investigative units specializing in abortion cases, meaning that officers that do perform investigations may not have access to the sorts of resourses or expertise that would be needed to present such cases to prosecutors.  And those same municipal police departments might also not have resources available to assist county- or state-level law enforcement either.

Texas has a LOT of counties:

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It could well be that many counties in Texas are so urban that county-level law enforcement is quite minimal, almost nonexistent.  Here are counties urban vs rural:

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It would not surprise me if those darkest-green counties' law enforcement is nearly all handled by the cities, where the few county-level police mostly perform highway patrol duties or law enforcement on the little bit of unincorporated land, leaving most enforcement within city limits to the municipal police departments.  These darkest-green areas are also where the bulk of the people live, which probably means that they're where the bulk of the medical services are, which would further mean these are the places most likely to host clinics capable of performing abortions among other services.

And it's not that county officials can't perform law enforcement actions within city limits, it's just that they may be so unaccustomed to out of simply having no need to that they simply aren't equipped or trained to do so.
 
TWX
2022-07-22 2:38:52 PM  

LL316: Texas is like every single other state in the country. Blue where people live, red where they don't.


It's almost like in order for people to coexist together in large groups, that some sort of deference to one's fellow man is required.
 
2022-07-22 2:47:50 PM  

Mugato: It's almost like there's an election coming up.


Indeed. I get to try and get Paxton out, again.
 
2022-07-22 2:48:41 PM  

fnordfocus: Nothing to stop the Austin cops from just ignoring this, or having a Travis County deputy arrest and or beat the doctor and mother to death instead.


They'll ignore it. They don't do much here anyway. Understaffed and nuggets budget ever. It's a whole thing.
 
2022-07-22 2:48:50 PM  

fnordfocus: Nothing to stop the Austin cops from just ignoring this, or having a Travis County deputy arrest and or beat the doctor and mother to death instead.


"You see, that's the kind of 'can-do' solutions I'm looking for. That's why we hired this guy. Any other ideas?"
 
2022-07-22 2:49:43 PM  
It doesn't matter if they all band together and say they won't. Clinics are closing or not performing those procedures.
 
2022-07-22 3:03:31 PM  
"I, McKenzie Clabbered, under threat of perjury, do solemnly swear that the entity I am carrying within me is THE SPAWN OF SATAN and must, forthwith, be expelled and neutralized with an appropriately-blessed water bath, so help me God."

"Bailiff, administer the Test of Purity!"
 
2022-07-22 3:07:17 PM  

LL316: Texas is like every single other state in the country. Blue where people live, red where they don't.


There might be a slight difference or two here and there
https://www.kcra.com/article/california-gun-control-law-mimics-texas-abortion-measure/40689671
 
2022-07-22 3:10:21 PM  
What possible reason is there that police will follow orders?!
 
2022-07-22 3:12:49 PM  
Police ordered to not go after the abortions that aren't happening in Texas because no provider is willing to risk their practice and freedom.
 
2022-07-22 3:14:37 PM  
That's great and all, but boy I don't think anyone's gonna' be eager to provide safe abortion services when doing so is still illegal at the end of the day. You'd have to be high to open a business just because the cops are looking the other way for now.
 
2022-07-22 3:17:15 PM  
I remember having this discussion with an anti-abortionist.

Me: "If you get your way and abortion is abolished, how should we punish women who break that law? Same as for murder? Execution? Life imprisonment?"

god-botherer: "We shouldnt punish them at all"

Me: "So why have a law then? All this does is serve to delegitimize and dilute our system of laws."

god-botherer: "Because abortion is murder!!"


The anti-abortion movement is now a classic case of the car-chasing dog that caught the car & doesnt know what to do with it.
 
2022-07-22 3:22:34 PM  

olorin604: Police ordered to not go after the abortions that aren't happening in Texas because no provider is willing to risk their practice and freedom.


Aren't they also going to be prosecuting women who go out of state for abortions now?
 
2022-07-22 3:38:54 PM  

fnordfocus: olorin604: Police ordered to not go after the abortions that aren't happening in Texas because no provider is willing to risk their practice and freedom.

Aren't they also going to be prosecuting women who go out of state for abortions now?


As I understand it that is a statute that allows citizens to file suits up to 10,000$ that was passed pre do bs to circumvent roe prohibitions against the gvt acting.
 
2022-07-22 3:54:12 PM  

HerptheDerp: What do you think their emergency phone operator lines are like? How often are they're getting phone calls from nosy neighbors and aggressive parents reporting "abortion crimes"?


I guarantee it's not zero.
 
2022-07-22 5:49:32 PM  

Mugato: It's almost like there's an election coming up.


No.

Texas state government is ultra red. Austin city government is blue.

/Horray for the Longhorns.
//There are times even a Sooner cheers for Austin.
 
2022-07-22 9:41:51 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Mugato: It's almost like there's an election coming up.

No.

Texas state government is ultra red. Austin city government is blue.

/Horray for the Longhorns.
//There are times even a Sooner cheers for Austin.


Not just Austin. El Paso, Houston and San Antonio are islands of blue. The problem is the rest of the state are full of  the 'But her email' and 'Trump is muh gawd' crowd.
 
2022-07-23 3:50:17 AM  

chewd: I remember having this discussion with an anti-abortionist.

Me: "If you get your way and abortion is abolished, how should we punish women who break that law? Same as for murder? Execution? Life imprisonment?"

god-botherer: "We shouldnt punish them at all"

Me: "So why have a law then? All this does is serve to delegitimize and dilute our system of laws."

god-botherer: "Because abortion is murder!!"


The anti-abortion movement is now a classic case of the car-chasing dog that caught the car & doesnt know what to do with it.


Wow, you're an optimist.
An optimist who has spent the last ten years on Mars.
In a cave.
With your fingers in your wears.
Most of the pro-life movement leadership is now calling for the DP/life imprisonment for mothers and doctors who abort fetuses, and have been for a while.
They intend to execute people over this, and started saying the quiet part aloud a while back.
They already HAVE murdered numerous people over it.
Wake the f**k up.
They know exactly what they plan to do with the car they caught, and it is murder - like everything else their insane blood-God religion worships and requires.
 
2022-07-23 1:00:00 PM  

jso2897: chewd: I remember having this discussion with an anti-abortionist.

Me: "If you get your way and abortion is abolished, how should we punish women who break that law? Same as for murder? Execution? Life imprisonment?"

god-botherer: "We shouldnt punish them at all"

Me: "So why have a law then? All this does is serve to delegitimize and dilute our system of laws."

god-botherer: "Because abortion is murder!!"


The anti-abortion movement is now a classic case of the car-chasing dog that caught the car & doesnt know what to do with it.

Wow, you're an optimist.
An optimist who has spent the last ten years on Mars.
In a cave.
With your fingers in your wears.
Most of the pro-life movement leadership is now calling for the DP/life imprisonment for mothers and doctors who abort fetuses, and have been for a while.
They intend to execute people over this, and started saying the quiet part aloud a while back.
They already HAVE murdered numerous people over it.
Wake the f**k up.
They know exactly what they plan to do with the car they caught, and it is murder - like everything else their insane blood-God religion worships and requires.


Point is they dont know what they want, theyre not unified and a good majority of them never thought it through that far.
Sure there are the clinic bombers who want to execute the doctor, the patient, the nurses and everybody in between, but i asked this question of quite a few xtians over my years of debating them and the majority of the ones i talked to didnt want to punish the woman at all, however i did find that most wanted the doctor to suffer some sort of penalty... but even that ranged quite a bit.
My experience was that most anti-abortionists were under the impression that once it was abolished it would just magically stop happening with no need for any kind of penalty.
But then these are people who are predisposed to magical thinking.
 
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