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(CBR)   So why don't Jedi use double-bladed lightsabers?   (cbr.com) divider line
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2022-07-21 8:37:17 AM  
Thought back in the day that if lightsabers weren't CGI Darth Maul would have been missing some limbs
 
2022-07-21 8:53:36 AM  
I bet their mothers said, "You'll cut your arm off" instead of "You'll put your eye out."
 
2022-07-21 8:57:38 AM  
They don't? Someone ought to let Master Tapal know he's not a Jedi.
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2022-07-21 9:17:03 AM  
Some do? Some use two lightsabers, some use one.

It all depends on your fighting style. Double-bladed lightsaber is a wholly different way to fight than with one or two light sabers.
 
2022-07-21 10:05:41 AM  
Do not visit TwoBladesOneJedi.com
 
2022-07-21 10:30:21 AM  
I've totally checked out of the franchise but I'm mildly curious:  have they done saber-chucks yet?
 
2022-07-21 10:31:46 AM  
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This is better than I was expecting.
 
2022-07-21 10:50:12 AM  

snocone: I bet their mothers said, "You'll cut your arm off" instead of "You'll put your eye out."


The latter is still possible

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2022-07-21 11:28:48 AM  
Because then it wouldn't be a saber.
 
2022-07-21 11:29:13 AM  
I mean, Bastilla Shan, Pong Krell, Jedi Guardians... the clone wars cartoon and cannon video games are littered with them.

Double bladed sabers are super cool, but really crappy weapons in practice, like nunchucks. Ray Park nailed it, though.

Star Wars follows the rule of cool, so all's well.

Odd article, glad I didn't bother reading it.
 
2022-07-21 11:29:41 AM  

Bootleg: They don't? Someone ought to let Master Tapal know he's not a Jedi.
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Didn't he turn to the dark side?
 
2022-07-21 11:31:49 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Bootleg: They don't? Someone ought to let Master Tapal know he's not a Jedi.
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Didn't he turn to the dark side?


Maybe you are thinking of Pong Krell?  Four arms, fought with two double bladed sabers.
 
2022-07-21 11:34:22 AM  
His it been explained whether lightsaber "blades" have any mass. If they don't, then it would be like using a baton, no? Most of the motions used in jedi/with styles wouldn't work. Oh, yeah. Space Magic.
 
2022-07-21 11:37:26 AM  
Two sword style seems like it would be more effective, especially since light sabers aren't really strength based weapons.  You don't gain much advantage from the length on a double blade, when you can only hold the very center without burning your hands off.
 
2022-07-21 11:39:09 AM  

LouisZepher: His it been explained whether lightsaber "blades" have any mass. If they don't, then it would be like using a baton, no? Most of the motions used in jedi/with styles wouldn't work. Oh, yeah. Space Magic.


That's why it takes a Force user to use them properly.
 
2022-07-21 11:39:21 AM  

smileyphase: I mean, Bastilla Shan, Pong Krell, Jedi Guardians... the clone wars cartoon and cannon video games are littered with them.



What a cannon video game might look like

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2022-07-21 11:44:58 AM  
That, however, didn't mean that no Jedi used the weapon.

Clickbait.  Well done, subby.
 
2022-07-21 11:45:08 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Bootleg: They don't? Someone ought to let Master Tapal know he's not a Jedi.
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Didn't he turn to the dark side?


Not so far as I know. Nothing in the Wiki about it.

You're probably thinking of Master Krell.
 
2022-07-21 11:45:45 AM  

NeoCortex42: LouisZepher: His it been explained whether lightsaber "blades" have any mass. If they don't, then it would be like using a baton, no? Most of the motions used in jedi/with styles wouldn't work. Oh, yeah. Space Magic.

That's why it takes a Force user to use them properly.


That's what I figured. Space Magic.
 
2022-07-21 11:48:43 AM  
Star Wars has always followed the rule of cool.

ESB clearly demonstrated what force users could do against regular people.

Lightsabers were for fighting other force users. Regular people were of no consequence. Remember how quickly Vader disarmed Han? Yoink goes the blaster.

And that was the last time we saw force users disarm non-Jedi adversaries. Going forward force users should have been disarming adversaries the moment they reached for their weapons, but instead we got swordplay and other violence. Why, because chopping droids and stormtroopers up with a light saber is cool.
 
2022-07-21 12:01:47 PM  
Same reason people didn't use double-ended swords in the before times. And to burst some other bubbles, dual wielding wasn't really a thing, nor back-scabbards, and two handed swords were mainly used for executions so they'd have the heft to do the job in one blow.

Now that said, my explanation of light saber mass is that energy warps spacetime in the same way matter does, you'd just need a lot of it to add up to any significant amount of mass, but hey those things can cut through anything so they're probably got a bit more than a couple of AA's in them. But I don't really know much about Star Trek.
 
2022-07-21 12:05:27 PM  
Because Jedi aren't characters created by the marketing director of Hot Topic?
 
2022-07-21 12:11:59 PM  
Wasn't the reason given after Phantom Menace why they didn't was because double-bladed sabers were mainly for combat?  I recall reading somewhere that the light saber was also a meditative tool.  Using it was a way to let yourself get closer to the force.  So you can't be at peace and one with the force if you are using something meant for combat.
 
2022-07-21 12:22:29 PM  
Yeah, but what about cube sabres?
 
2022-07-21 12:33:59 PM  
I get that CBR is lazy clickbait, but referencing the deprecated portions of the EU as the basis of an article seems especially dumb, even for them.
 
2022-07-21 12:52:08 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I've totally checked out of the franchise but I'm mildly curious:  have they done saber-chucks yet?


The comic this article more accurately answers this question than the double bladed one.  Check it out.
 
2022-07-21 1:08:21 PM  
A double blade increases the chances of slicing yourself while swinging it, reduces your ability to use the point to stab because you need to keep the back blade away from your own torso, head, arms or legs.  This limits your area to swing as freely as a single blade, and that limitation can be exploited by your opponent.

As a rule, 'point beats edge', that's why rapiers became so popular once steel armor suits became obsolete.  While you're swinging your cutlass, the other guy has already run you through with his rapier.

Better to use two swords, one in each hand, as Miyamoto Musashi did. He called this technique 'Two Heavens Way' or 'Ni-Ten-Do' because he could send you to heaven with either hand.
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2022-07-21 1:21:44 PM  

skyotter: That, however, didn't mean that no Jedi used the weapon.

Clickbait.  Well done, subby.


Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
 
2022-07-21 1:24:27 PM  
It was originally the weapon of Exar Kun (former Jedi) Grand Master Satele Shan also wield it one.
F*cking dipshiat article writers
 
2022-07-21 1:25:46 PM  

johnny_stingray: A double blade increases the chances of slicing yourself while swinging it, reduces your ability to use the point to stab because you need to keep the back blade away from your own torso, head, arms or legs.  This limits your area to swing as freely as a single blade, and that limitation can be exploited by your opponent.

As a rule, 'point beats edge', that's why rapiers became so popular once steel armor suits became obsolete.  While you're swinging your cutlass, the other guy has already run you through with his rapier.

Better to use two swords, one in each hand, as Miyamoto Musashi did. He called this technique 'Two Heavens Way' or 'Ni-Ten-Do' because he could send you to heaven with either hand.
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You're not wrong, but one doesn't become Dark Lord of the Sith by swordplay alone. The Force is a weapon as well. Trust me, I ought to know!
 
2022-07-21 1:28:56 PM  

smileyphase: I mean, Bastilla Shan, Pong Krell, Jedi Guardians... the clone wars cartoon and cannon video games are littered with them.

Double bladed sabers are super cool, but really crappy weapons in practice, like nunchucks. Ray Park nailed it, though.

Star Wars follows the rule of cool, so all's well.

Odd article, glad I didn't bother reading it.


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I mean, was this article written at the time of Phantom Menace or something and wondering why Jedi don't use something that was just invented then? Because you certainly nailed it.
 
2022-07-21 1:36:32 PM  

Bslim: It was originally the weapon of Exar Kun (former Jedi) Grand Master Satele Shan also wield it one.
F*cking dipshiat article writers


Do you know how I know you didn't read the article?

/I know it's Fark, tldnr and all that.
 
2022-07-21 1:42:36 PM  
Because they were the Taliban of their galaxy, and had weapons as developed as the actual Taliban's munitions.
 
2022-07-21 1:43:18 PM  
A better question is why didn't they allow spears/polearms.  It's an equally simple weapon with the benefit of reach, and can be wielded like a bo staff without the hazards of a blade on either side.
 
2022-07-21 1:50:55 PM  

madgonad: Star Wars has always followed the rule of cool.

ESB clearly demonstrated what force users could do against regular people.

Lightsabers were for fighting other force users. Regular people were of no consequence. Remember how quickly Vader disarmed Han? Yoink goes the blaster.

And that was the last time we saw force users disarm non-Jedi adversaries. Going forward force users should have been disarming adversaries the moment they reached for their weapons, but instead we got swordplay and other violence. Why, because chopping droids and stormtroopers up with a light saber is cool.


This is why Yoda going all nutso with his lightsabers was annoying to me. Palpatine showed his disdain for Luke's lightsaber, treating it like the tool of a non proficient chump. It felt like if you got attuned enough with the Force you became more like a Pei Mei - you'd just dodge everything and give all your foes the "stop hitting yourself" treatment.
Yoda vs Dooku feels like it should have been a Force duel, almost like the Samurai showdowns from the old movies/DND Oriental Adventures where they both struggle mentally with each other before the other snaps and gets flung aside.
 
2022-07-21 1:59:49 PM  

LouisZepher: His it been explained whether lightsaber "blades" have any mass. If they don't, then it would be like using a baton, no? Most of the motions used in jedi/with styles wouldn't work. Oh, yeah. Space Magic.


In "The book of Bobba Fett", the mandalorian comment on how heavy the darksaber is. They seem to at least have inertia.
 
2022-07-21 2:00:23 PM  
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2022-07-21 2:02:59 PM  

smileyphase: I mean, Bastilla Shan, Pong Krell, Jedi Guardians... the clone wars cartoon and cannon video games are littered with them.

Double bladed sabers are super cool, but really crappy weapons in practice, like nunchucks. Ray Park nailed it, though.

Star Wars follows the rule of cool, so all's well.

Odd article, glad I didn't bother reading it.


So... double bladed light sabres = Bat'leth?

The Mek'leth was the superior* weapon, anyway.

* according to Worf
 
2022-07-21 2:03:38 PM  

deadsanta: A better question is why didn't they allow spears/polearms.  It's an equally simple weapon with the benefit of reach, and can be wielded like a bo staff without the hazards of a blade on either side.


The article actually answers that.
 
2022-07-21 2:05:49 PM  

deadsanta: A better question is why didn't they allow spears/polearms.  It's an equally simple weapon with the benefit of reach, and can be wielded like a bo staff without the hazards of a blade on either side.


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2022-07-21 2:06:20 PM  

padraig: In "The book of Bobba Fett", the mandalorian comment on how heavy the darksaber is. They seem to at least have inertia.


The Darksaber is a very odd weapon and shouldn't be relied on too heavily in discussions. I'd be like using the 2010 Detroit Lions and saying "Oh, yeah, they must be a good franchise to go 10-6..." and no, no they weren't, it was an aberration.
 
2022-07-21 2:09:01 PM  

LouisZepher: NeoCortex42: LouisZepher: His it been explained whether lightsaber "blades" have any mass. If they don't, then it would be like using a baton, no? Most of the motions used in jedi/with styles wouldn't work. Oh, yeah. Space Magic.

That's why it takes a Force user to use them properly.

That's what I figured. Space Magic.


So why didn't knights or anyone else before guns took over use two ended swords?  Easy, lack of Space Magic.
 
2022-07-21 2:09:22 PM  

YodaTuna: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I've totally checked out of the franchise but I'm mildly curious:  have they done saber-chucks yet?

The comic this article more accurately answers this question than the double bladed one.  Check it out.


Eh, that requires effort and I'm seriously that burnt out on Star Wars.

I'll just make up head-canon and move on:  Jedi Master Brooslie wielded saber-chucks in the Clown Wars, got it. 👍
 
2022-07-21 2:10:35 PM  

deadsanta: A better question is why didn't they allow spears/polearms.  It's an equally simple weapon with the benefit of reach, and can be wielded like a bo staff without the hazards of a blade on either side.


They did. Actually, Jedi Temple Guards' primary weapons were yellow bladed saber pikes - though they were double-bladed lightsabers with the option of a handle.
 
2022-07-21 2:19:40 PM  

Fano: This is why Yoda going all nutso with his lightsabers was annoying to me. Palpatine showed his disdain for Luke's lightsaber, treating it like the tool of a non proficient chump. It felt like if you got attuned enough with the Force you became more like a Pei Mei - you'd just dodge everything and give all your foes the "stop hitting yourself" treatment.
Yoda vs Dooku feels like it should have been a Force duel, almost like the Samurai showdowns from the old movies/DND Oriental Adventures where they both struggle mentally with each other before the other snaps and gets flung aside.


I've been saying that for years. We never should have seen Yoda or Palpatine even ignite a lightsaber. Their characters felt much more powerful without weapons.

/my brain goes to the higher level Dark Sun psionic battles instead of Oriental Adventures
 
2022-07-21 2:24:26 PM  

deadsanta: A better question is why didn't they allow spears/polearms.  It's an equally simple weapon with the benefit of reach, and can be wielded like a bo staff without the hazards of a blade on either side.


Spears are more effective than swords (without shields) but not as cool (the only  [non sword and sandal] movie to use them was Dragonslayer) so the Space Magic doesn't add enough bonuses to make them worthwhile.  Other polearms are typically used to break through armor, pretty pointless with a light saber blade.

Tranquil Hegemony: Same reason people didn't use double-ended swords in the before times. And to burst some other bubbles, dual wielding wasn't really a thing, nor back-scabbards, and two handed swords were mainly used for executions so they'd have the heft to do the job in one blow.

Now that said, my explanation of light saber mass is that energy warps spacetime in the same way matter does, you'd just need a lot of it to add up to any significant amount of mass, but hey those things can cut through anything so they're probably got a bit more than a couple of AA's in them. But I don't really know much about Star Trek.


Two handed swords (now called longswords) were fairly popular, although they'd be considered "bastard swords" (you could kinda wield them one handed) in D&D.  Often the prefered side arm of wealthy burghers (and most samurai).  The big "D&D two handed swords" (zweihänder, diakatanas) also existed but were pretty specialized (although they do surviving European manuals on how to use them, so they weren't that odd) and often found as VIP's bodyguards.  I'm fairly sure that the fighting variety outnumbered the executioner's type, but possibly only because axes were more popular for executions.

The real key is that swords were sidearms and that you only had them in case your main weapon broke, or you were going around town and weren't going to carry a halberd or something (the town guard would certainly object as well).  Sword + shield might have been an effective battlefield weapon (ask the Romans) but most cultures preferred spears.
 
2022-07-21 2:30:38 PM  
I've read somewhere that swords and weapons were quite like handguns and assault rifles know. You wouldn't go to war with just a 1911, and walking around town with an AR-15 tends to make people nervous.
The same way, people who saw you with your sword knew it was for self-defence. Carrying a polearm was a good way though to make people flee you.
 
2022-07-21 2:56:32 PM  
Because a double ended lightsaber is a really dumb weapon.
 
2022-07-21 3:09:03 PM  

Bootleg: They don't? Someone ought to let Master Tapal know he's not a Jedi.
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Or the Jedi Temple guards:

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2022-07-21 3:10:06 PM  

smileyphase: I mean, Bastilla Shan, Pong Krell, Jedi Guardians... the clone wars cartoon and cannon video games are littered with them.

Double bladed sabers are super cool, but really crappy weapons in practice, like nunchucks. Ray Park nailed it, though.

Star Wars follows the rule of cool, so all's well.

Odd article, glad I didn't bother reading it.


I mean, if you would have bothered reading the article you would know it addressed Jedi that do in fact use them. It doesn't say no Jedi use, just most don't. But you don't want to be bothered. You'd rather make comments that come from a place of ignorance on the subject.
 
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