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(NPR)   Local officials around the nation are coming to the slow realization that maybe leaving lead water pipes in place until they actually start killing people isn't such a great idea because white people might be hurt by it, too   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-07-20 9:01:54 AM  
I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning
 
2022-07-20 9:08:00 AM  
Yes, but that costs money and we can't possibly raise taxes.

So, we'll just pray and let Jesus solve it.
 
2022-07-20 11:51:36 AM  
SSDD

How many people need to be killed BEFORE we fix something???
🤔
 
2022-07-20 11:51:50 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Yes, but that costs money and we can't possibly raise taxes.

So, we'll just pray and let Jesus solve it.


Worked for COVID. A million+ people died and the problem was solved.
 
2022-07-20 11:52:53 AM  

marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning


I have a theory that the leaded gas generations definitely have some lead induced early cognitive decline.
 
2022-07-20 11:55:50 AM  

marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning


I've long wondered if lead is the reason why so many boomers are... Well, you know.
 
2022-07-20 11:56:28 AM  

marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning


FTA: Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin that poisons thousands of kids each year in Missouri, Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska.

Yes.
 
2022-07-20 11:56:54 AM  
But if you replace all the lead pipes the Republican party will cease to exist!
/only half serious
 
2022-07-20 11:59:06 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Yes, but that costs money and we can't possibly raise taxes.

So, we'll just pray and let Jesus solve it.


Just charge the residents because the city farked up.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/20/us-cities-force-residents-pay-thousands-replace-lead-pipes-risk-drinking-toxic-water
 
2022-07-20 11:59:29 AM  
Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.
 
2022-07-20 11:59:49 AM  
You have to wait until it starts killing people in order to receive federal funding to replace the pipes. There's no possibility of getting your local tax payers to foot the bill, especially if it's only really hurting one side of town.
 
2022-07-20 12:01:53 PM  

Fart_Machine: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

FTA: Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin that poisons thousands of kids each year in Missouri, Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska.

Yes.


Boomers breathed leaded air for decades!
 
2022-07-20 12:03:46 PM  

meat0918: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

I have a theory that the leaded gas generations definitely have some lead induced early cognitive decline.


Well it's a good thing our leaders and elected officials are all so youthful and vigorous, then.
 
2022-07-20 12:04:41 PM  

marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning


But it's only the white people going completely insane. Flint isn't full of a bunch of MAGA anti-vax QAnoners.
 
2022-07-20 12:05:21 PM  

rogue49: SSDD

How many people need to be killed BEFORE we fix something???
🤔


It's not "how many", it's "which".
 
2022-07-20 12:05:34 PM  
This explains quite a bit

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2022-07-20 12:07:13 PM  

marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning


Alternative facts are the obvious result of increasingly lax education standards.

Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.


Ya it is racist, but subby isn't. No one cared when Native Americans or Black communities had no potable water, but inconvenience some nice, decent white people and suddenly something needs to be done. Almost like the US has some insanely racist policies in place.
 
2022-07-20 12:07:27 PM  
So blueprints of the early 20th century aren't available any more?

Now of course I understand that some pipes are pre-20th century, but one would think early blueprints would be a starting point, which I, hopefully believe, would help in testing existing old pipes to tag for replacement.

However, I'm rather sure any republican held town, county, state municipality will give the work to their family and friends and overinflate those costs for grifting.
 
2022-07-20 12:09:35 PM  

Fart_Machine: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

FTA: Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin that poisons thousands of kids each year in Missouri, Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska.

Yes.


So, for the conspiracy-theory minded:

Corn has an interesting side effect when eaten: it has a tendency to block iron uptake. This was discovered in the Mayan Empire, which relied heavily upon maize, and children especially suffered badly from aplastic anemia. It turns out that ground maize blocks absorption of iron in the small intestine, leading to anemia.

Fast forward to the 1980s. High-fructose corn syrup becomes a cheap replacement for sugar in processed foods. High-fructose corn syrup is made, of course, of corn. Now, the action of corn syrup in affecting iron uptake is not known, to the best of my knowledge it has never been studied.

However.

Although anemia is not an issue in America, iron deficiency, especially in early childhood, has been connected to autism, ADHD, psychosis, anxiety disorders, bipolar disorder, and frontal lobe damage.

Fast forward to the 2020's and howcome so many weirdos and psychos seem to be running things these days? Hm, could it be that we're seeing the results of 30 years of heavy-metal poisoning and iron deficiency?
 
2022-07-20 12:11:35 PM  

marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning


Yes.

I believe there have been actual studies showing it, but they are poo-poo'd and hushed up and generally not given much airtime because "how dare you make conservatives look bad by pointing out they're scientifically-proven to be stupid?"
 
2022-07-20 12:14:11 PM  

SMB2811: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

Alternative facts are the obvious result of increasingly lax education standards.

Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.

Ya it is racist, but subby isn't. No one cared when Native Americans or Black communities had no potable water, but inconvenience some nice, decent white people and suddenly something needs to be done. Almost like the US has some insanely racist policies in place.


See also: the opioid crisis.
 
2022-07-20 12:14:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Fart_Machine: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

FTA: Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin that poisons thousands of kids each year in Missouri, Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska.

Yes.

So, for the conspiracy-theory minded:

Corn has an interesting side effect when eaten: it has a tendency to block iron uptake. This was discovered in the Mayan Empire, which relied heavily upon maize, and children especially suffered badly from aplastic anemia. It turns out that ground maize blocks absorption of iron in the small intestine, leading to anemia.

Fast forward to the 1980s. High-fructose corn syrup becomes a cheap replacement for sugar in processed foods. High-fructose corn syrup is made, of course, of corn. Now, the action of corn syrup in affecting iron uptake is not known, to the best of my knowledge it has never been studied.

However.

Although anemia is not an issue in America, iron deficiency, especially in early childhood, has been connected to autism, ADHD, psychosis, anxiety disorders, bipolar disorder, and frontal lobe damage.

Fast forward to the 2020's and howcome so many weirdos and psychos seem to be running things these days? Hm, could it be that we're seeing the results of 30 years of heavy-metal poisoning and iron deficiency?


The conspiracy minded such as yourself? Your corn-iron connection isn't true - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/619040/
 
2022-07-20 12:14:56 PM  

Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.


Dude, no one gave a shiat when docs (me amongst them) were raising the red flag about sky-high lead toxicity rates in Black patients in Flint. No one gave a shiat when we were seeing children with developmental delays.

No one cared until white people were affected. Same as opioids- no one cared until it started hitting the white community, then you start seeing Suboxone, Naltrexone, Narcan showing up. Manage it, treat it, because now it's seen as serious.

Just like with AIDS in the LGBTQ community in the early 80s, heroin and cocaine with the Black community in the 1970s. No one gave a shiat until white folks were affected, then it's a crisis.

I mean, fark. You know what they called AIDS back in the early 80s? GRID. Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.

And no one cared until white folks got it.

The system is racist. Always has been.
 
2022-07-20 12:15:29 PM  
If we could only figure out a way to fix this by throwing vast amounts of taxpayer money at Raytheon and Boeing and other arms manufacturers, this would be all done.

Spend billions to design a jet that bombs the sewer pipes?  Then rebuild them after that?
 
2022-07-20 12:17:07 PM  
Missouri. How would anyone notice?
 
2022-07-20 12:17:27 PM  

meat0918: Ya it is racist, but subby isn't. No one cared when Native Americans or Black communities had no potable water, but inconvenience some nice, decent white people and suddenly something needs to be done. Almost like the US has some insanely racist policies in place.

See also: the opioid crisis.


Well, this was true. But more recent numbers are starting to show trends in the ongoing opioid crisis that suggest minority populations, including Blacks, are increasing in number and even becoming the dominant number in some place. So expect to start hearing more and more "get tough on crime" language around this in the near future, and much less about "caring for addiction," "reformative interventions," and so on.
 
2022-07-20 12:19:02 PM  
I really don't understand the point of government if it isn't going to exist to provide basic necessities. It's bad enough they decided to make utilities a for-profit industry in order to be able to completely fark over the poor but when they start delivering poison to each household instead of clean drinking water - they're no longer justifying their existence.

We really need to find a way to do a total reset on our system.
 
2022-07-20 12:19:36 PM  

meat0918: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

I have a theory that the leaded gas generations definitely have some lead induced early cognitive decline.


TFG is more popular with the 30-55 age group than with those over 60.
 
2022-07-20 12:22:31 PM  

rogue49: SSDD

How many people need to be killed BEFORE we fix something???
🤔


Deaths rate is higher than birth rate. It is the way of the wasp.
 
2022-07-20 12:24:57 PM  

Sword and Shield: Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.

Dude, no one gave a shiat when docs (me amongst them) were raising the red flag about sky-high lead toxicity rates in Black patients in Flint. No one gave a shiat when we were seeing children with developmental delays.

No one cared until white people were affected. Same as opioids- no one cared until it started hitting the white community, then you start seeing Suboxone, Naltrexone, Narcan showing up. Manage it, treat it, because now it's seen as serious.

Just like with AIDS in the LGBTQ community in the early 80s, heroin and cocaine with the Black community in the 1970s. No one gave a shiat until white folks were affected, then it's a crisis.

I mean, fark. You know what they called AIDS back in the early 80s? GRID. Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.

And no one cared until white folks got it.

The system is racist. Always has been.


Google really doesn't want to pull the picture I'm thinking of but, I remember signs saying "AIDS is the cure" being carried by hate groups.

Didn't care, actually relished the plague, when it was just the queers.
 
2022-07-20 12:25:59 PM  
We've known for a while that monochloromine causes lead to leach into the water. Yet municipalities are still switching to it without regard for the health of their own citizens.
 
2022-07-20 12:26:48 PM  
Trenton - like many other water systems - doesn't know where all of its lead service lines are.

Do they know where all their service lines are at all? Seems like this could be solved by some smartass with magnets and x-rays if that part's out of the way.

/Step 2. Draw the rest of the owl.
 
2022-07-20 12:29:13 PM  

meat0918: SMB2811: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

Alternative facts are the obvious result of increasingly lax education standards.

Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.

Ya it is racist, but subby isn't. No one cared when Native Americans or Black communities had no potable water, but inconvenience some nice, decent white people and suddenly something needs to be done. Almost like the US has some insanely racist policies in place.

See also: the opioid crisis.


I'm not sure we actually care about the opioid crisis. Sure there is some movement in some areas but generally it seems like token efforts at best.
 
2022-07-20 12:29:33 PM  

HerptheDerp: Sword and Shield: Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.

Dude, no one gave a shiat when docs (me amongst them) were raising the red flag about sky-high lead toxicity rates in Black patients in Flint. No one gave a shiat when we were seeing children with developmental delays.

No one cared until white people were affected. Same as opioids- no one cared until it started hitting the white community, then you start seeing Suboxone, Naltrexone, Narcan showing up. Manage it, treat it, because now it's seen as serious.

Just like with AIDS in the LGBTQ community in the early 80s, heroin and cocaine with the Black community in the 1970s. No one gave a shiat until white folks were affected, then it's a crisis.

I mean, fark. You know what they called AIDS back in the early 80s? GRID. Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.

And no one cared until white folks got it.

The system is racist. Always has been.

Google really doesn't want to pull the picture I'm thinking of but, I remember signs saying "AIDS is the cure" being carried by hate groups.

Didn't care, actually relished the plague, when it was just the queers.


Westboro I assume
 
2022-07-20 12:32:37 PM  

SMB2811: Gyrfalcon: Fart_Machine: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

FTA: Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin that poisons thousands of kids each year in Missouri, Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska.

Yes.

So, for the conspiracy-theory minded:

Corn has an interesting side effect when eaten: it has a tendency to block iron uptake. This was discovered in the Mayan Empire, which relied heavily upon maize, and children especially suffered badly from aplastic anemia. It turns out that ground maize blocks absorption of iron in the small intestine, leading to anemia.

Fast forward to the 1980s. High-fructose corn syrup becomes a cheap replacement for sugar in processed foods. High-fructose corn syrup is made, of course, of corn. Now, the action of corn syrup in affecting iron uptake is not known, to the best of my knowledge it has never been studied.

However.

Although anemia is not an issue in America, iron deficiency, especially in early childhood, has been connected to autism, ADHD, psychosis, anxiety disorders, bipolar disorder, and frontal lobe damage.

Fast forward to the 2020's and howcome so many weirdos and psychos seem to be running things these days? Hm, could it be that we're seeing the results of 30 years of heavy-metal poisoning and iron deficiency?

The conspiracy minded such as yourself? Your corn-iron connection isn't true - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/619040/


That's just what they WANT you to think...study it out!
 
2022-07-20 12:32:50 PM  

HerptheDerp: Sword and Shield: Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.

Dude, no one gave a shiat when docs (me amongst them) were raising the red flag about sky-high lead toxicity rates in Black patients in Flint. No one gave a shiat when we were seeing children with developmental delays.

No one cared until white people were affected. Same as opioids- no one cared until it started hitting the white community, then you start seeing Suboxone, Naltrexone, Narcan showing up. Manage it, treat it, because now it's seen as serious.

Just like with AIDS in the LGBTQ community in the early 80s, heroin and cocaine with the Black community in the 1970s. No one gave a shiat until white folks were affected, then it's a crisis.

I mean, fark. You know what they called AIDS back in the early 80s? GRID. Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.

And no one cared until white folks got it.

The system is racist. Always has been.

Google really doesn't want to pull the picture I'm thinking of but, I remember signs saying "AIDS is the cure" being carried by hate groups.

Didn't care, actually relished the plague, when it was just the queers.


Speaking of which, I am shocked, SHOCKED and hat a lot of the old homophobia and misconceptions is being revived for Monkey Pox... Well okay, not THAT shocked.
 
2022-07-20 12:33:52 PM  

suebhoney: So blueprints of the early 20th century aren't available any more?

Now of course I understand that some pipes are pre-20th century, but one would think early blueprints would be a starting point, which I, hopefully believe, would help in testing existing old pipes to tag for replacement.

However, I'm rather sure any republican held town, county, state municipality will give the work to their family and friends and overinflate those costs for grifting.


Have you ever had to search archives for old construction and utility drawings? It's not easy to find things if they even exists in the first place. And you can't confirm the latter till you've searched everything. Some places are working on digitization, but it's few an far between, and a low priority even where it is ongoing.

"Are these design drawings or as-builts?"
"These don't line up with any streets"
"Why it it showing a lake where downtown is?"
"Lead is keyed note 5 on the legend... is that a 5 or an 8 next to this pipe?"
 
2022-07-20 12:37:12 PM  
The Japanese have some excellent countertop water purification systems.  You guys see problems.  I see solutions.   Just need to buy a few million on spec, fix that power for 120 or 121.  Whatever it takes.  Not even going to translate the manual.  No Merican ever reads the manual.  Maybe hire a hawt Japanese lady to make a Youtube and point the mouth breathers to it.
 
2022-07-20 12:40:22 PM  

MattytheMouse: Speaking of which, I am shocked, SHOCKED and hat a lot of the old homophobia and misconceptions is being revived for Monkey Pox... Well okay, not THAT shocked.


Hey Matty!

Long time no see! How goes?
 
2022-07-20 12:41:02 PM  
How do water districts not know what pipes they have?  This is madness
 
2022-07-20 12:46:35 PM  

mrwhippy: This explains quite a bit

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Half, that's funny and wrong.  The number is MUCH higher. The whole of the human population has lost statistically significant intelligence because of lead.

The Man Who Accidentally Killed The Most People In History
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I was working at a medical marijuana farm where we grew for the distilled oils, through 202. I quit when I came across our lab results. Aside from the obvious amounts of mold, fungus, bugs, and regular crap we expected; our weed was also testing positive for lead, "below the state (the one with a fark tag) threshold" on the distilled product. I  f'n shudder to think what the actual lead count on the flowers were.  A  few months before I quit, directly across the street from the farm they started construction of a new housing development.  The evaporative wet walls we used were blowing the dust in from the construction directly onto the plants.   A thin film of black shiat all over everything, floors, walls, equipment and most importantly the plants.  That shiat was the lead being kicked up from the construction. They sampled the soil from the construction site and verified that was the source. 

Then the whole of the management just shrugged it off and moved on.  So I quit, I have too much respect for weed to be party to that shiat. Yeah lead is in farking everything because of one asshole, the water pipes are just the tip of the lead-berg.
 
2022-07-20 12:46:42 PM  

Sword and Shield: MattytheMouse: Speaking of which, I am shocked, SHOCKED and hat a lot of the old homophobia and misconceptions is being revived for Monkey Pox... Well okay, not THAT shocked.

Hey Matty!

Long time no see! How goes?


Hey S&S! It goes well! I've recently taken up sculpting!
Fark user imageView Full Size

This is a scrapped sculpture. It's a learning process, you know?

Anyway, f**k Roger Stone.
 
2022-07-20 12:48:55 PM  

HerptheDerp: NewportBarGuy: Yes, but that costs money and we can't possibly raise taxes.

So, we'll just pray and let Jesus solve it.

Worked for COVID. A million+ people died and the problem was solved.


c.tenor.comView Full Size
 
2022-07-20 12:54:44 PM  

Gaddiel: suebhoney: So blueprints of the early 20th century aren't available any more?

Now of course I understand that some pipes are pre-20th century, but one would think early blueprints would be a starting point, which I, hopefully believe, would help in testing existing old pipes to tag for replacement.

However, I'm rather sure any republican held town, county, state municipality will give the work to their family and friends and overinflate those costs for grifting.

Have you ever had to search archives for old construction and utility drawings? It's not easy to find things if they even exists in the first place. And you can't confirm the latter till you've searched everything. Some places are working on digitization, but it's few an far between, and a low priority even where it is ongoing.

"Are these design drawings or as-builts?"
"These don't line up with any streets"
"Why it it showing a lake where downtown is?"
"Lead is keyed note 5 on the legend... is that a 5 or an 8 next to this pipe?"


I understand, yes.
 
2022-07-20 1:03:20 PM  

SMB2811: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

Alternative facts are the obvious result of increasingly lax education standards.

Mikey1969: Yeah subby, it's only about the "white" people.

Farking racist.

Ya it is racist, but subby isn't. No one cared when Native Americans or Black communities had no potable water, but inconvenience some nice, decent white people and suddenly something needs to be done. Almost like the US has some insanely racist policies in place.


"It's not a problem until it's OUR problem!"
 
2022-07-20 1:06:49 PM  
[Narrator:  "... it was America, in the community, with a lead pipe..."

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2022-07-20 1:21:06 PM  

austerity101: marklar2012: I wonder if "alternative facts" are a symptom of lead poisoning

But it's only the white people going completely insane. Flint isn't full of a bunch of MAGA anti-vax QAnoners.


Not yet. Give it time. Another decade or so should do.
 
2022-07-20 1:25:17 PM  
The old orthophosphate-coated lead pipes are perfectly safe in place unless, as in Flint MI, the outside idiots brought in to run the water system as cheaply as possible switch sources causing the coating to leach away and endangering everyone because they're absolute buffoons.

Old lead pipes aren't the problem. Proper water utility management that focuses on quality & health as much as cost is the problem.
 
2022-07-20 1:33:00 PM  
So you're saying we might need some kind of time period to repair the important things we depend on? I wonder what we might call that.
 
2022-07-20 1:42:27 PM  

Fart_Machine: NewportBarGuy: Yes, but that costs money and we can't possibly raise taxes.

So, we'll just pray and let Jesus solve it.

Just charge the residents because the city farked up.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/20/us-cities-force-residents-pay-thousands-replace-lead-pipes-risk-drinking-toxic-water


Hey, they haven't paid for that free lead either. That stuff costs money too, you know.
 
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