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(Guardian)   Apparently it's good to be the Queen of England, you get to be exempt from 160 British laws   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2022-07-14 5:14:16 PM  
Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
2022-07-14 5:23:17 PM  

bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.


Technically, yes. All criminal prosecutions are "The Crown vs ....." so how could the Queen prosecute herself? In practise it's never really been tested, at least for the last few hundred years. If Andrew had killed a hooker in Buck House and the police were refused entry to investigate I suspect Parliament would start to take a look into the law.
 
2022-07-14 5:26:39 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: If Andrew had killed a hooker in Buck House and the police were refused entry to investigate I suspect Parliament would start to take a look into the law.


I don't think he would sweat it.
 
2022-07-14 5:52:21 PM  
"No Blacks in the Big House"
 
2022-07-14 5:53:06 PM  

bostonguy: Carter Pewterschmidt: If Andrew had killed a hooker in Buck House and the police were refused entry to investigate I suspect Parliament would start to take a look into the law.

I don't think he would sweat it.


Hasn't so far, at least.  Betting their protection detail would quietly take care of it for him before it ever got that far.
 
2022-07-14 5:53:44 PM  

bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.


Judge Dredd: I AM THE LAW
The Queen: NOT COMPARED TO ME YOU AINT! I'M GOD'S CHOSEN VESSEL!
 
2022-07-14 5:53:57 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.

Technically, yes. All criminal prosecutions are "The Crown vs ....." so how could the Queen prosecute herself? In practise it's never really been tested, at least for the last few hundred years. If Andrew had killed a hooker in Buck House and the police were refused entry to investigate I suspect Parliament would start to take a look into the law.


If were the queen I would be shooting commoners from the balcony for sport. Oh, be sure to vote for me the November for commissioner! Heh, you know which party ticket I'm on...
 
2022-07-14 5:56:23 PM  
Mopary?
 
2022-07-14 5:59:02 PM  

bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.


She's the sovereign. She is the law. She can tell cops to sod off, if she wants to. She can't be arrested or prosecuted because the prosecution represents the crown, which is her.

She's the only UK national to not require a driving license or a passport, because they are issued in the name of the sovereign, which is her.
 
2022-07-14 6:00:02 PM  
Can she still eat every dolphin caught off the coast of England?
 
2022-07-14 6:01:55 PM  
And this one law over here says the queen gets a free small ice cream with the purchase of two or more adult meals at Beans Over-and-Under Toast.
 
2022-07-14 6:03:17 PM  
Technically, the queen is above the law anywhere she goes, both inside the UK due to sovereign immunity, and outside the UK due to diplomatic immunity.
Could the Queen Get Away with Murder Legally?
Youtube msxQWb4eR14
 
2022-07-14 6:03:52 PM  

Fano: Can she still eat every dolphin caught off the coast of England?


Only the ones that spend all their money on lottery tickets.
 
2022-07-14 6:06:44 PM  

darth sunshine: Mopary?


Sexual acts involving a moped.
 
2022-07-14 6:06:58 PM  
Yep, that's monarchy. Law is law because it's been decreed so by the person in whose veins the royal blood flows. (S)he may have some trusted advisors in government and a parliament to assist in the crafting of law, but obviously said law can't apply to the monarch.

It doesn't work on paper, but reality seems to be OK.
 
2022-07-14 6:07:06 PM  
Big deal. I'm exempt from all those British laws too just by not living there.
 
2022-07-14 6:10:30 PM  

Erik_Emune: Yep, that's monarchy. Law is law because it's been decreed so by the person in whose veins the royal blood flows. (S)he may have some trusted advisors in government and a parliament to assist in the crafting of law, but obviously said law can't apply to the monarch.

It doesn't work on paper, but reality seems to be OK.


Until they get a monarch who has the personality of Donald Trump.  Just like all the unwritten rules about what you can and can't do as President went out the goddamn window, so it would be in the UK - that king would be a f*cking murderous son of a b*tch, no two ways about it.
 
2022-07-14 6:14:19 PM  
She also doesn't need a passport or a driver's license.  The financial piece is more interesing since everything is in trust so she can't stand pawning stuff if she got a little over her skies betting at Royal Ascot. I thought I heard that the valuation of her true fortune can't be estimated unless they throw open the books fully.
 
2022-07-14 6:15:49 PM  

dustman81: bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.

She's the sovereign. She is the law. She can tell cops to sod off, if she wants to. She can't be arrested or prosecuted because the prosecution represents the crown, which is her.

She's the only UK national to not require a driving license or a passport, because they are issued in the name of the sovereign, which is her.


Just wait until some nutcase who rejects royal decorum and shiats all over the law and the people ends up inheriting the throne, half of UK will be re-thinking this whole monarchy system and the associated "these people are above the law" motto, while the other half will line up to make excuses for their behavior..
 
2022-07-14 6:20:16 PM  

dustman81: Technically, the queen is above the law anywhere she goes, both inside the UK due to sovereign immunity, and outside the UK due to diplomatic immunity.
[YouTube video: Could the Queen Get Away with Murder Legally?]


If the Queen invites you to go hiking in Yellowstone park, you are definitely not coming back.
 
2022-07-14 6:21:57 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: She also doesn't need a passport or a driver's license.  The financial piece is more interesing since everything is in trust so she can't stand pawning stuff if she got a little over her skies betting at Royal Ascot. I thought I heard that the valuation of her true fortune can't be estimated unless they throw open the books fully.


The estimates I've seen have varied wildly. Do you include all the crown countries, just the UK, Royal holdings, etc.? You have to start with the problem of what does she "own". They all start out with certain assumptions.
 
2022-07-14 6:23:51 PM  
It's good to be the king queen.
 
2022-07-14 6:25:13 PM  

nytmare: Just wait until some nutcase who rejects royal decorum and shiats all over the law and the people ends up inheriting the throne, half of UK will be re-thinking this whole monarchy system and the associated "these people are above the law" motto, while the other half will line up to make excuses for their behavior..


Good news! There has been precedent for just that scenario.

OK, it was somewhat more nuanced than that since some may argue (eg: whoever wears the crown) royal decorum is anything the monarch does, no matter how egregiously awful, greedy or absurd. Suffice to say that when the dust settles usually there's either a new royal backside on the throne, or an entirely new political system is established.
 
2022-07-14 6:32:04 PM  
Don't forgot that you also own a countryfull of those tasty, plump delicous swans
 
2022-07-14 6:40:33 PM  
Plus, all the swans you can eat. Really.
 
2022-07-14 6:50:52 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.

Technically, yes. All criminal prosecutions are "The Crown vs ....." so how could the Queen prosecute herself? In practise it's never really been tested, at least for the last few hundred years. If Andrew had killed a hooker in Buck House and the police were refused entry to investigate I suspect Parliament would start to take a look into the law.


I would imagine if something like that happened the number of Republicans (British Republicans not American Republicans) would skyrocket overnight.

The way I see it, HRH has one political bullet in her metaphorical gun.  If she shoots and hits a target that needs shooting, like removing a Prime Minister who was taking the country towards a civil war (or a prime minister of commonwealth who's tenure was so turbulent that's needs firing by her governor-general), then she might get another bullet.

But if she uses it protecting her own interests....Parliament would be voting to remove her as the head of state the next day.  And the House of Lords would be the next thing to go.
 
2022-07-14 6:51:32 PM  

bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.


Yes, she has Sovereign immunity; no civil or criminal actions can be brought against Her. Procedurally, they're issued in Her name, prosecuted by people on Her behalf and judged by people on Her payroll, who swore oaths to Her, so it might be a bit difficult finding people "independent" enough to do so, even though the monarch no longer directly administers justice.

Instead, the Queen simply voluntarily follows the law to uphold it. Except, of course, where the Queen doesn't.
 
2022-07-14 6:55:00 PM  
Hell, the President of the United States* is completely Above the Law.

(*if impeached twice)
 
2022-07-14 6:55:53 PM  

nytmare: dustman81: bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.

She's the sovereign. She is the law. She can tell cops to sod off, if she wants to. She can't be arrested or prosecuted because the prosecution represents the crown, which is her.

She's the only UK national to not require a driving license or a passport, because they are issued in the name of the sovereign, which is her.

Just wait until some nutcase who rejects royal decorum and shiats all over the law and the people ends up inheriting the throne, half of UK will be re-thinking this whole monarchy system and the associated "these people are above the law" motto, while the other half will line up to make excuses for their behavior..


Despite what people think, Parliament could change the law any time it wanted if this happened. We literally fought wars over this since Magna Carta eight hundred years ago.
 
2022-07-14 6:57:20 PM  

nytmare: dustman81: bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.

She's the sovereign. She is the law. She can tell cops to sod off, if she wants to. She can't be arrested or prosecuted because the prosecution represents the crown, which is her.

She's the only UK national to not require a driving license or a passport, because they are issued in the name of the sovereign, which is her.

Just wait until some nutcase who rejects royal decorum and shiats all over the law and the people ends up inheriting the throne, half of UK will be re-thinking this whole monarchy system and the associated "these people are above the law" motto, while the other half will line up to make excuses for their behavior..


Such a person would be a threat to "the system" and the privileges of the ruling class. Unlike Trump, they'd be very quickly made to understand the error of their ways and brought to heel, either through family and literal Peer pressure, or through being tragically accidentally shot by a hundred different confused upper class twits during a fox hunt. Or, of course, simply taken for a car ride through a tunnel in Paris.
 
2022-07-14 6:59:38 PM  

Erek the Red: The way I see it, HRH has one political bullet in her metaphorical gun.  If she shoots and hits a target that needs shooting, like removing a Prime Minister who was taking the country towards a civil war (or a prime minister of commonwealth who's tenure was so turbulent that's needs firing by her governor-general), then she might get another bullet.

But if she uses it protecting her own interests....Parliament would be voting to remove her as the head of state the next day.  And the House of Lords would be the next thing to go.


Exactly. The Queen is the UKs answer to separation of powers, in case a PM started arresting political opponents or having journalists locked up etc. If she used her power for anything less than that then Parliament would act instantly.

The role of the House Of Lords is to say "Are you absolutely sure about this old chap?"
The role of the monarch is to say "Are you out of your freaking mind?"
 
2022-07-14 7:02:18 PM  

dustman81: Technically, the queen is above the law anywhere she goes, both inside the UK due to sovereign immunity, and outside the UK due to diplomatic immunity.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/msxQWb4eR14]


I think there's been times when she'd love to.
 
2022-07-14 7:09:08 PM  

Ghastly: Big deal. I'm exempt from all those British laws too just by not living there.


I told Them To F@k off a couple hundred years ago and they listened.

Yeah, that was me.

I also made Kanye popular and made sure the movie Moonfall got Made and shown.

I am the destroyer of worlds.
 
2022-07-14 7:14:24 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: nytmare: dustman81: bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.

She's the sovereign. She is the law. She can tell cops to sod off, if she wants to. She can't be arrested or prosecuted because the prosecution represents the crown, which is her.

She's the only UK national to not require a driving license or a passport, because they are issued in the name of the sovereign, which is her.

Just wait until some nutcase who rejects royal decorum and shiats all over the law and the people ends up inheriting the throne, half of UK will be re-thinking this whole monarchy system and the associated "these people are above the law" motto, while the other half will line up to make excuses for their behavior..

Despite what people think, Parliament could change the law any time it wanted if this happened. We literally fought wars over this since Magna Carta eight hundred years ago.


The Queen can dissolve Parliament. She can also appoint anyone she wants to as Prime Minister. The Queen obeys the law because she wants to, not because she has to.
 
2022-07-14 7:22:32 PM  
I cant find the pic right now, but some tabloid had a photo of the queen in a car without a seatbelt on and someone captioned it with "alright, who grassed the queen?"

Made me laugh at the time.
 
2022-07-14 7:23:01 PM  

dustman81: Technically, the queen is above the law anywhere she goes, both inside the UK due to sovereign immunity, and outside the UK due to diplomatic immunity.
[YouTube video: Could the Queen Get Away with Murder Legally?]


Killer Queen (Remastered 2011)
Youtube cBMXQrW3VNA
 
2022-07-14 7:25:16 PM  

englaja: ...Or, of course, simply taken for a car ride through a tunnel in Paris.


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2022-07-14 7:47:19 PM  

dustman81: The Queen obeys the law because she wants to, not because she has to.


Arguably true for all of all of us, but the 'finding out' of the consequences for you, me and most other folk telling the law to 'do one' tends to be somewhat more problematic.
 
2022-07-14 7:58:15 PM  
The real crime here is the amount of butt-hurt these left wing lunatics at the Guardian have for Betty Windsor and the anguish they have at fact she can't be arrested for riding a bicycle at night with no lights.  I like to think of myself as a very liberal person, but fark me, the Guardian editorial staff would sell their collective grandmothers for the chance to take a pop at the Queen.  They are obsessed with it, and this socialist clap trap shows them for the petty minded, spiteful little girls they are.

God save the Queen.
 
2022-07-14 8:00:19 PM  

Aardvark Inc.: dustman81: The Queen obeys the law because she wants to, not because she has to.

Arguably true for all of all of us, but the 'finding out' of the consequences for you, me and most other folk telling the law to 'do one' tends to be somewhat more problematic.


Because the monarchs that have really pushed the boundaries and sensibilities of something other than the toffs (Edward VIII, James II and Charles I being the most prominent) found out that doesn't end well.
 
2022-07-14 8:04:03 PM  
While to environmental and employee exemptions are disgusting and go a long way to showing who she really is, it's not like the Queen can do whatever she wants. Her reign only exists because the public tolerates it.
 
2022-07-14 8:05:28 PM  
Personalised exemptions for the Queen in her private capacity have been written into more than 160 laws since 1967, granting her sweeping immunity from swathes of British law - ranging from animal welfare to workers' rights

What is Her Majesty doing with those poor animals?


gameshowhost: "No Blacks in the Big House"


The practice of preventing the Queen's employees from bringing discrimination claims against her household dates back to the late 1960s, when courtiers told ministers that "it was not, in fact, the practice to appoint coloured immigrants or foreigners" to clerical roles in the royal household.


shiat you weren't joking...
 
2022-07-14 8:06:56 PM  

dustman81: Technically, the queen is above the law anywhere she goes, both inside the UK due to sovereign immunity, and outside the UK due to diplomatic immunity.
[YouTube video: Could the Queen Get Away with Murder Legally?]


Diplomatic immunity is idiotic. Sure, give some leeway, but if you're murdering people? F*ck off, you shouldn't get protection from that.
 
2022-07-14 8:10:22 PM  

I'm an excellent driver: The real crime here is the amount of butt-hurt these left wing lunatics at the Guardian have for Betty Windsor and the anguish they have at fact she can't be arrested for riding a bicycle at night with no lights.  I like to think of myself as a very liberal person, but fark me, the Guardian editorial staff would sell their collective grandmothers for the chance to take a pop at the Queen.  They are obsessed with it, and this socialist clap trap shows them for the petty minded, spiteful little girls they are.

God save the Queen.


Dude... what.
 
2022-07-14 8:11:19 PM  
TFG laughs at these exemptions.  The Queen never said, "I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it."
 
2022-07-14 8:23:14 PM  

dustman81: Carter Pewterschmidt: nytmare: dustman81: bostonguy: Pretty sure the monarch of the UK is considered the embodiment of the state and has immunity to all prosecution.

UK farkers, correct me if I'm wrong.

She's the sovereign. She is the law. She can tell cops to sod off, if she wants to. She can't be arrested or prosecuted because the prosecution represents the crown, which is her.

She's the only UK national to not require a driving license or a passport, because they are issued in the name of the sovereign, which is her.

Just wait until some nutcase who rejects royal decorum and shiats all over the law and the people ends up inheriting the throne, half of UK will be re-thinking this whole monarchy system and the associated "these people are above the law" motto, while the other half will line up to make excuses for their behavior..

Despite what people think, Parliament could change the law any time it wanted if this happened. We literally fought wars over this since Magna Carta eight hundred years ago.

The Queen can dissolve Parliament. She can also appoint anyone she wants to as Prime Minister. The Queen obeys the law because she wants to, not because she has to.


On paper, perhaps, but as the kings and queens of old learned, their power only goes as far as the people willing to listen. A Parliament wouldn't just shrug, say "oh no, she got us" and go home.
 
2022-07-14 8:24:25 PM  

proteus_b: Personalised exemptions for the Queen in her private capacity have been written into more than 160 laws since 1967, granting her sweeping immunity from swathes of British law - ranging from animal welfare to workers' rights

What is Her Majesty doing with those poor animals?


gameshowhost: "No Blacks in the Big House"


The practice of preventing the Queen's employees from bringing discrimination claims against her household dates back to the late 1960s, when courtiers told ministers that "it was not, in fact, the practice to appoint coloured immigrants or foreigners" to clerical roles in the royal household.

shiat you weren't joking...


Yep. The closer to the Queen, the pastier all the help gets, peaking at 100% pastiness in the immediate chambers.

/tho maybe that finally changed the past few years
 
2022-07-14 8:47:21 PM  

dustman81: Technically, the queen is above the law anywhere she goes, both inside the UK due to sovereign immunity, and outside the UK due to diplomatic immunity.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/msxQWb4eR14]


I don't think that's quite right. I don't think she is absolutely above all laws. Having said that, I would love to see her give it a proper test.

Honestly, who wouldn't want to see her stroll into a bank with a stocking over her head, a large sack in one hand and a sawn-off shotgun in the other, being trailed by a small group of yapping corgis as she politely demands everyone to get down on the floor while the employees shovel banknotes into the sack?
 
2022-07-14 9:13:54 PM  
Pales in comparison to Trump's being entirely above the law.
 
2022-07-14 9:18:47 PM  
I didn't realize there were laws she WASN'T exempt from. Being, you know, a literal queen.
 
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