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(Fox Sports)   Will Pete Carroll ever recover from losing Russell Wilson? And will Mike McCarthy ever recover from losing Aaron Rodgers?   (amp.foxsports.com) divider line
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2022-07-14 8:14:00 PM  
McCarthy has more around him, players and staff, and most importantly a guy willing to spend.

And his problem is stubbornness.

Pete's problem is age.
 
2022-07-14 8:23:43 PM  

puffy999: McCarthy has more around him, players and staff, and most importantly a guy willing to spend.

And his problem is stubbornness.


Money doesn't buy clock management skills
 
2022-07-14 8:34:51 PM  
I'm seeing a hurried USC-before-sanctions style exit for Pete in the near future.
 
2022-07-14 8:39:27 PM  

rjakobi: I'm seeing a hurried USC-before-sanctions style exit for Pete in the near future.


Yeah but the NFL doesn't have a bunch of embarrassed SEC coaches demanding the Seahawks get punished while their violations get ignored.
 
2022-07-14 8:39:28 PM  

rjakobi: I'm seeing a hurried USC-before-sanctions style exit for Pete in the near future.


What's the NFL equivalent of recruitment violations? Just tampering or are there specific draft/combine related rules he can break?
 
2022-07-14 8:46:07 PM  
He's a pretty good author. Maybe he should write a sequel to the one where that girl Alice gets drunk on liquefied peyote.
 
2022-07-14 8:58:31 PM  
Man.  you have to wonder how different NFL history goes if they just hand the ball of to Marshawn.  the narrative is such that it's all assumed he gets in and Seattle has their second SB (back to back at that, I think), and one never knows.  what if the handoff gets bobbled, or a lineman breaks through and stops Lynch, or there's a penalty* that pushes Seattle 10 yards back, etc.

But.....i remember thinking, "why do you even pass, period????"  I get it.  "No no no, they did the one thing they're not expecting!"  but....yeah.  and of course, had the pass worked, Carroll would be the Geniusest Genius That Ever Geniused, but....man.  what a stunning result.

*yeah, i know, "hurf hurf hurf, do you really think the refs would flag a hold on THE FINAL DAMN PLAY OF THE SUPER BOWL, farkSTICK?????"  saved you a post.
 
2022-07-14 9:12:05 PM  

darkman2000: puffy999: McCarthy has more around him, players and staff, and most importantly a guy willing to spend.

And his problem is stubbornness.

Money doesn't buy clock management skills


That's the only safe prop bet in a Seahawks game. How many minutes left on the game click when they use their third and final timeout on a dumb challenge.

Smart money is on the late 3rd quarter.
 
2022-07-14 9:12:28 PM  

rickythepenguin: Man.  you have to wonder how different NFL history goes if they just hand the ball of to Marshawn.  the narrative is such that it's all assumed he gets in and Seattle has their second SB (back to back at that, I think), and one never knows.  what if the handoff gets bobbled, or a lineman breaks through and stops Lynch, or there's a penalty* that pushes Seattle 10 yards back, etc.

But.....i remember thinking, "why do you even pass, period????"  I get it.  "No no no, they did the one thing they're not expecting!"  but....yeah.  and of course, had the pass worked, Carroll would be the Geniusest Genius That Ever Geniused, but....man.  what a stunning result.

*yeah, i know, "hurf hurf hurf, do you really think the refs would flag a hold on THE FINAL DAMN PLAY OF THE SUPER BOWL, farkSTICK?????"  saved you a post.


It wasn't the final play, though, and Seattle's last playoff loss happened...when they ran Marshawn Lynch for a TD with not very much time left, then gave up a huge play, Falcons kicked a FG, they got eliminated.

Brady had been carving up the Seahawks' defense since they lost Avril and were down to Bennett as their only good pass rusher on the roster. (Let's not forget that Sherman and Thomas had injured themselves in the NFCCG and Chancellor had gotten injured during SB practices, so they were all playing hurt, and they lost their nickelback, Lane, on that first quarter INT return?

I absolutely understand a pass there. IMO you run a bootleg, killing more clock and allowing Wilson to throw it away if nothing is there...but there had been literally zero INTs on slants in that situation across the league all year. Or you trust ANYONE more than Lockette. Then again, maybe Golden Tate is the one running that route (and I bet he doesn't let Butler jump it) if Wilson and his camp don't lie about him sleeping with Wilson's wife so Wilson can try to get with Ciara without public shame AND free up cap room for Wilson.
 
2022-07-14 9:19:06 PM  
Sorry, Seattle's last playoff loss GOING INTO THAT Super Bowl was in Atlanta when Lynch ran in with about 30 seconds to go, Ryan hit a huge bomb downfield, and they kicked a FG to win it 30-28 with no time left IIRC.

In that SB, Seattle had a timeout left and remember there were two kneel downs from the Pats and Bennett tried to start a fight. So there was plenty of time left and I KNOW that Atlanta game and the shredding the secondary was taking on was in Carroll's mind. I was drunk AF and it was the first thing I thought of when Lynch broke toward the end zone on the previous play. Just "please don't score on this play, you gotta kill more clock".
 
2022-07-14 9:20:01 PM  
Pete probably should have been the one to leave, not Russell. I'm not like that upset he left, I get it, but I also would not have minded at all watching him finish his career in Seattle.
 
2022-07-14 9:22:26 PM  
But yeah, Carroll won't recover because his QBs are Drew Lock and Geno Smith lol and he's old AF.

But they weren't gonna win sh*t with Wilson, either, and that was true from the second that SB ended.

McCarthy has a loaded roster but he's not a good enough coach. IMO Rodgers is way better than Wilson but the drop from Rodgers to Dak is smaller than the drop from Wilson to Lock.
 
2022-07-14 9:23:04 PM  

rickythepenguin: Man.  you have to wonder how different NFL history goes if they just hand the ball of to Marshawn.  the narrative is such that it's all assumed he gets in and Seattle has their second SB (back to back at that, I think), and one never knows.  what if the handoff gets bobbled, or a lineman breaks through and stops Lynch, or there's a penalty* that pushes Seattle 10 yards back, etc.

But.....i remember thinking, "why do you even pass, period????"  I get it.  "No no no, they did the one thing they're not expecting!"  but....yeah.  and of course, had the pass worked, Carroll would be the Geniusest Genius That Ever Geniused, but....man.  what a stunning result.

*yeah, i know, "hurf hurf hurf, do you really think the refs would flag a hold on THE FINAL DAMN PLAY OF THE SUPER BOWL, farkSTICK?????"  saved you a post.


I always said he had an ace high full house and threw away the pair of kings hoping for four aces.
 
2022-07-14 9:25:43 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Pete probably should have been the one to leave, not Russell. I'm not like that upset he left, I get it, but I also would not have minded at all watching him finish his career in Seattle.


No reason to keep Wilson, though. He's Russell Westbrook of the NFL in that once that athleticism and the ability to make "I'm just gonna out-athlete you" plays goes away, he doesn't have sh*t else. He never sees guys open over the middle until after a play breaks down, he can't escape all those sacks with the looping back move anymore...he'll still put up good numbers and make people think Denver is dangerous...but they aren't.
 
2022-07-14 9:27:37 PM  

IAmRight: It wasn't the final play, though, and Seattle's last playoff loss happened...when they ran Marshawn Lynch for a TD with not very much time left, then gave up a huge play, Falcons kicked a FG, they got eliminated.


ha, i was way wrong.  i thought it was the last play, or at least, a like, "35 seconds on the clock, a TD ices it" play.

but yeah, whenever that loss comes up, it always kinda makes my twitch, the assumption that if Marshawn gets the ball it's a fait accompli.  probably, but you never know.

as with any sports "risky choice", if it pays off, great, if it fails, "OMG WHAT WAS HE THINKING?????"  you never know.
 
2022-07-14 9:35:26 PM  

RandyJohnson: I always said he had an ace high full house and threw away the pair of kings hoping for four aces.


more like he was about get the final card at Candyland, but he drew Plumpy!
 
2022-07-14 9:35:36 PM  

rjakobi: I'm seeing a hurried USC-before-sanctions style exit for Pete in the near future.


FWIW: notice how the program, valuable as it may be to the Big Ten, has never come close to his success.

/fwiw the fact that Reggie Bush brought down USC but Auburn didn't get shiat for signing Cam Newton's parents' checks says all there needs to be said about the NCAA and college football and the whole racketeering scheme involved therein
 
2022-07-14 9:37:11 PM  

puffy999: rjakobi: I'm seeing a hurried USC-before-sanctions style exit for Pete in the near future.

FWIW: notice how the program, valuable as it may be to the Big Ten, has never come close to his success.

/fwiw the fact that Reggie Bush brought down USC but Auburn didn't get shiat for signing Cam Newton's parents' checks says all there needs to be said about the NCAA and college football and the whole racketeering scheme involved therein


Err, never *since* come close.

And it was decades prior that they were close to that good.
 
2022-07-14 9:39:12 PM  

rickythepenguin: RandyJohnson: I always said he had an ace high full house and threw away the pair of kings hoping for four aces.

more like he was about get the final card at Candyland, but he drew Plumpy!


If he gave the ball to Lynch we would not be here tonight.
 
2022-07-14 9:43:09 PM  

rickythepenguin: IAmRight: It wasn't the final play, though, and Seattle's last playoff loss happened...when they ran Marshawn Lynch for a TD with not very much time left, then gave up a huge play, Falcons kicked a FG, they got eliminated.

ha, i was way wrong.  i thought it was the last play, or at least, a like, "35 seconds on the clock, a TD ices it" play.

but yeah, whenever that loss comes up, it always kinda makes my twitch, the assumption that if Marshawn gets the ball it's a fait accompli.  probably, but you never know.

as with any sports "risky choice", if it pays off, great, if it fails, "OMG WHAT WAS HE THINKING?????"  you never know.


I also forgot that in the NFCCG that year...

Everyone remembers the muffed onside kick and the Seahawks winning...but that kick was at around 2 minutes left. Marshawn scored on a 24-yard run with a little over a minute to go and GB got the FG to extend the game to OT, where the Seahawks won.

You can understand why Carroll did NOT want to score on that play.
 
2022-07-14 9:46:24 PM  
That said...c'mon, bootleg. Be smarter, Bevell.

/they 100% wanted Wilson to be the face of the victory, though. And they deserve to have lost for putting him front and center.
 
2022-07-14 9:48:33 PM  

IAmRight: No reason to keep Wilson, though. He's Russell Westbrook of the NFL in that once that athleticism and the ability to make "I'm just gonna out-athlete you" plays goes away, he doesn't have sh*t else. He never sees guys open over the middle until after a play breaks down, he can't escape all those sacks with the looping back move anymore...he'll still put up good numbers and make people think Denver is dangerous...but they aren't.


I mean, when you run the same offense for a decade, and expect lesser/injury prone/non-fitting players to be bulk load RBs after Lynch leaves... Especially if you have a QB with a height vulnerability, you need to hire the right OC.  Otherwise you're asking a short guy to do pocket shiat or improvise. And somehow Wilson basically did the level of "Aaron Rodgers is at the end of his career" (before two MVPs) with that... which, is still collective HOF numbers as much as people may hate the player.

I certainly can't say the Donks are the answer to patching the holes in Wilson's game, height and timing, but it takes more than one slightly overrated lineman and one slightly overrated WR to make a guy who's either slightly underrated (not one MVP vote ever) or very overrated (Doug Baldwin is just a smaller Calvin Johnson**) to be a good NFL team, in spite of what Tom Brady fanbois yarble about. It's possible the guy goes full Randy Johnson and becomes a beast after nearly a decade in Seattle. Not likely, but still possible. In a football player's case, the scheme and team matter.

**please note sarcasm as nobody has said that directly, I hope

/the fact that DK Metcalf had a better rapport with Geno Smith says something, at least about how Wilson went into 2021, he was *done* with Seattle
 
2022-07-14 9:49:33 PM  

IAmRight: rickythepenguin: IAmRight: It wasn't the final play, though, and Seattle's last playoff loss happened...when they ran Marshawn Lynch for a TD with not very much time left, then gave up a huge play, Falcons kicked a FG, they got eliminated.

ha, i was way wrong.  i thought it was the last play, or at least, a like, "35 seconds on the clock, a TD ices it" play.

but yeah, whenever that loss comes up, it always kinda makes my twitch, the assumption that if Marshawn gets the ball it's a fait accompli.  probably, but you never know.

as with any sports "risky choice", if it pays off, great, if it fails, "OMG WHAT WAS HE THINKING?????"  you never know.

I also forgot that in the NFCCG that year...

Everyone remembers the muffed onside kick and the Seahawks winning...but that kick was at around 2 minutes left. Marshawn scored on a 24-yard run with a little over a minute to go and GB got the FG to extend the game to OT, where the Seahawks won.

You can understand why Carroll did NOT want to score on that play.


Now, that game? Wilson was so shiat. He should have cried, the fact that they didn't lose *specifically because of him* was a miracle.
 
2022-07-14 9:50:17 PM  
F*CKING BOSTICK GOD DAMNIT
 
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