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(The Sun (Ireland))   Ireland gets triggered about 360k gun licences being issued in five years that could bring on the horror of a school shooting like the US. America: So like a Tuesday   (thesun.ie) divider line
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2022-07-13 9:25:44 PM  
Don't worry Ireland...you get used to them.
 
2022-07-13 9:25:47 PM  
What do you mean school is out for summer? I want to express my impotent rage right meow!

/sarcasm
//calibrate your meter accordingly
 
2022-07-13 9:28:43 PM  
They could also be worried about the Tories getting more desperate.
 
2022-07-13 9:29:19 PM  
Half of those guns just ended up getting deep fried.
 
2022-07-13 9:32:48 PM  
Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.
 
2022-07-13 9:33:05 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Don't worry Ireland...you get used to them.


Are you unfamiliar with Irish history?
 
2022-07-13 9:33:10 PM  
Ireland?  Meh

Probably wound up getting wrapped and buried in a field somewhere.  Irishmen are to guns like a squirrel to nuts
 
2022-07-13 9:35:20 PM  

stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.


Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays
Youtube o2I84-A9duY
 
2022-07-13 9:37:25 PM  
Licenses? Permits? We don't even bother with that shiat anymore.  We just hand out AR's and give directions to the nearest school.
 
2022-07-13 9:37:33 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Sin_City_Superhero: Don't worry Ireland...you get used to them.

Are you unfamiliar with Irish history?


You mean the car-bombings and other IRA shenanigans.  Does the IRA have 300 million people with 1.25 guns-per-person, like America?
 
2022-07-13 9:38:21 PM  
Not to mock their concerns, but Ireland is a civilized country, unlike the USA. Here in the USA we do sometimes allow wannabe rappers or people with face tattoos to have a gun. I hope that in the future we will only allow civilized people to have a gun. Some of them will be of Irish extraction.
 
2022-07-13 9:40:24 PM  
They're always after me lucky charms.
 
2022-07-13 9:47:11 PM  
I've been to an Irish gun store. All they had was bolt action rifles and shotguns. Me thinks that a little exaggeration was done.
 
2022-07-13 9:47:33 PM  
Ireland, think of school shootings as the ultimate game of dodge ball. Winners get PTSD while the losers get to listen to Jimmy Hendrix live.
 
2022-07-13 9:51:04 PM  

iheartscotch: I've been to an Irish gun store. All they had was bolt action rifles and shotguns. Me thinks that a little exaggeration was done.


That's because that is pretty much all you can legally own.  And the restrictions on those are really tight.

My youngest goes to school in Glasnevin.   She has never done a lockdown drill, or even knows what one is.
 
2022-07-13 10:04:10 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: They're always after me lucky charms.


It's been a while, are you the farker that thwarted an armed robber?
 
2022-07-13 10:13:58 PM  
I like that at least there, the pro-gun people's defense is an honest "but they're fun" instead of "mah rights."
 
2022-07-13 10:17:11 PM  

WastrelWay: Not to mock their concerns, but Ireland is a civilized country, unlike the USA. Here in the USA we do sometimes allow wannabe rappers or people with face tattoos to have a gun. I hope that in the future we will only allow civilized people to have a gun. Some of them will be of Irish extraction.


Being racist without saying anything explicitly about race is an art.

Oh, and please tell me how you meant the bad whites too.
 
2022-07-13 10:23:45 PM  

stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.


You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.
 
2022-07-13 10:23:59 PM  

NobleHam: WastrelWay: Not to mock their concerns, but Ireland is a civilized country, unlike the USA. Here in the USA we do sometimes allow wannabe rappers or people with face tattoos to have a gun. I hope that in the future we will only allow civilized people to have a gun. Some of them will be of Irish extraction.

Being racist without saying anything explicitly about race is an art.

Oh, and please tell me how you meant the bad whites too.


Dude thought amazing race was an ongoing documentary series...

But wait, there are bad whites?
Eggshell, or that psuedo high school linoleum yellow-whiteness..
.there are no bad whites, just us libs according to other whites.
Happy to be excluded or exclusive?
 
2022-07-13 10:29:47 PM  

Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.


Shootings maybe.
But the ferocity and straight up one shot from these weapons while blow up a human body.
What'd they have then until 1980? Blunderbuss and your dad's browning as far as speed of killing.

You could also compare those decades to other shootings, say, night clubs or from a farking hotel into a concert or at a movie theater or a FARKING 4TH OF JULY PARADE...guessing 0 all previous decades.

But, tucker loves "facts".
 
2022-07-13 10:35:23 PM  

ProfessorTerguson: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Shootings maybe.
But the ferocity and straight up one shot from these weapons while blow up a human body.
What'd they have then until 1980? Blunderbuss and your dad's browning as far as speed of killing.

You could also compare those decades to other shootings, say, night clubs or from a farking hotel into a concert or at a movie theater or a FARKING 4TH OF JULY PARADE...guessing 0 all previous decades.

But, tucker loves "facts".


What is this nonsense? Pre-1980 guns were "nicer" or some shiat?

Go away. You're just as wrong as the guy I was correcting.
 
2022-07-13 10:36:53 PM  

Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.


Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.
 
2022-07-13 10:39:37 PM  

scanman61: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

[YouTube video: Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays]


1977
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2022-07-13 10:39:41 PM  

Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.


US population has roughly doubled since 1950 (150 million to 300ish million)

School shootings have increased by far more than 2x.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-07-13 10:41:10 PM  

NobleHam: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.


Please provide more detail about your rapidly moving goalposts.
 
2022-07-13 10:43:51 PM  
Not just the occurrences, but the severity. Shootings with the intention of killing as many strangers as possible in schools was exceptionally rare until about 30 years ago.

Before that, yeah, people shot other people at school. But it was the more sane type of violence... Shooting the guy you hated, or the one that 'stole' your girlfriend, or the guy that joined the gang that wears red and not blue and you both really want ownership of the same corner to sell drugs on.

Adults opening fire in elementary schools is pretty different, IMHO
 
2022-07-13 10:44:06 PM  
Sounds like trouble(s)!
 
2022-07-13 10:45:25 PM  
I think on Tuesday we also issues that many licenses
 
2022-07-13 10:46:08 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Bith Set Me Up: Sin_City_Superhero: Don't worry Ireland...you get used to them.

Are you unfamiliar with Irish history?

You mean the car-bombings and other IRA shenanigans.  Does the IRA have 300 million people with 1.25 guns-per-person, like America?


And on that note, when does America get an offensively-named drink named after us?
 
2022-07-13 10:47:54 PM  

InfoFreako: Sin_City_Superhero: Bith Set Me Up: Sin_City_Superhero: Don't worry Ireland...you get used to them.

Are you unfamiliar with Irish history?

You mean the car-bombings and other IRA shenanigans.  Does the IRA have 300 million people with 1.25 guns-per-person, like America?

And on that note, when does America get an offensively-named drink named after us?


It's called Bud Lite and it is disgusting.
 
2022-07-13 10:48:08 PM  

WastrelWay: Not to mock their concerns, but Ireland is a civilized country, unlike the USA. Here in the USA we do sometimes allow wannabe rappers or people with face tattoos to have a gun. I hope that in the future we will only allow civilized people to have a gun. Some of them will be of Irish extraction.


Civilized people.... of Irish extraction.

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2022-07-13 10:48:48 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Bith Set Me Up: Sin_City_Superhero: Don't worry Ireland...you get used to them.

Are you unfamiliar with Irish history?

You mean the car-bombings and other IRA shenanigans.  Does the IRA have 300 million people with 1.25 guns-per-person, like America?


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-07-13 10:49:26 PM  

Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.

Please provide more detail about your rapidly moving goalposts.


Not the guy you replied to. Goalposts unmoved. School shootings with more than 3 casualties are much more common in the last 20 years than the 30 before that, and they were more common in those 30 years than the preceding 100. There is no link to population, but certainly some link to the availability of deadlier firearms. The impulse to kill lots of people isn't all to do with guns, but the ability to do so is largely down to easy access to guns designed for killing people.
 
2022-07-13 10:49:32 PM  
Shootings go up, bombings go down.
On the average, this might be an improvement.
 
2022-07-13 10:49:37 PM  

knbwhite: Sin_City_Superhero: They're always after me lucky charms.

It's been a while, are you the farker that thwarted an armed robber?


I am that guy.
 
2022-07-13 10:50:14 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

US population has roughly doubled since 1950 (150 million to 300ish million)

School shootings have increased by far more than 2x.

[Fark user image image 425x187]


You are correct. The trend is roughly 60% higher than pop growth.
 
2022-07-13 10:50:58 PM  

chitownmike: Sin_City_Superhero: Bith Set Me Up: Sin_City_Superhero: Don't worry Ireland...you get used to them.

Are you unfamiliar with Irish history?

You mean the car-bombings and other IRA shenanigans.  Does the IRA have 300 million people with 1.25 guns-per-person, like America?

[Fark user image image 425x238]


Two drinks never order in Ireland, a Car Bomb or a Black and Tan.
 
2022-07-13 10:51:25 PM  

NobleHam: Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.

Please provide more detail about your rapidly moving goalposts.

Not the guy you replied to. Goalposts unmoved. School shootings with more than 3 casualties are much more common in the last 20 years than the 30 before that, and they were more common in those 30 years than the preceding 100. There is no link to population, but certainly some link to the availability of deadlier firearms. The impulse to kill lots of people isn't all to do with guns, but the ability to do so is largely down to easy access to guns designed for killing people.


Your metric of 3 or more is a goalpost.
 
2022-07-13 10:53:48 PM  

Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.


Your probably right on paper but growing up then I don't ever recall seeing school shooting s on the news.or armed guards at school. Then again a country full of angry redheads with guns can't be good
 
2022-07-13 10:56:44 PM  

NobleHam: Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.

Please provide more detail about your rapidly moving goalposts.

Not the guy you replied to. Goalposts unmoved. School shootings with more than 3 casualties are much more common in the last 20 years than the 30 before that, and they were more common in those 30 years than the preceding 100. There is no link to population, but certainly some link to the availability of deadlier firearms. The impulse to kill lots of people isn't all to do with guns, but the ability to do so is largely down to easy access to guns designed for killing people.


Also: firearms and bullets are no more deadly now than the 1940s and before. Where this silly myth came from puzzles me.

Do you have any idea what a standard issue clip-fed M1 rifle - from WW1 - does to humans? Or any living creature?
 
2022-07-13 10:56:45 PM  

ProfessorTerguson: NobleHam: WastrelWay: Not to mock their concerns, but Ireland is a civilized country, unlike the USA. Here in the USA we do sometimes allow wannabe rappers or people with face tattoos to have a gun. I hope that in the future we will only allow civilized people to have a gun. Some of them will be of Irish extraction.

Being racist without saying anything explicitly about race is an art.

Oh, and please tell me how you meant the bad whites too.

Dude thought amazing race was an ongoing documentary series about neo nazis

But wait, there are bad whites?
Eggshell, or that psuedo high school linoleum yellow-whiteness..
.there are no bad whites, just us libs according to other whites.
Happy to be excluded or exclusive?


Fxt
 
2022-07-13 10:57:14 PM  

Shryke: Fark_Guy_Rob: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

US population has roughly doubled since 1950 (150 million to 300ish million)

School shootings have increased by far more than 2x.

[Fark user image image 425x187]

You are correct. The trend is roughly 60% higher than pop growth.


Fark user imageView Full Size

I'm not a data scientist or anything, but I'm not sure how true that is.
 
2022-07-13 11:00:54 PM  

Shryke: Fark_Guy_Rob: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

US population has roughly doubled since 1950 (150 million to 300ish million)

School shootings have increased by far more than 2x.

[Fark user image image 425x187]

You are correct. The trend is roughly 60% higher than pop growth.


Oh my God, you can't do math either. In your own list, ignoring my goalpost of 3, there were 237 shootings in the last half of the 20th century and 372 in the first 22 years of the 21st, but that doesn't mean shootings have increased only 63% since 1950. If you go by decade it was a 100% increase from the 60s to the 70s, a 50% increase from the 70s to 80s, 50% again into the 90s, a 30% decrease into the 2000s until the Clinton era control laws expired, then a 300% increase into the 2010s, and at this rate a 150% increase in the 2020s.

That never follows population, and it's far more than a 60% increase over time.
 
2022-07-13 11:03:05 PM  

Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.

Please provide more detail about your rapidly moving goalposts.

Not the guy you replied to. Goalposts unmoved. School shootings with more than 3 casualties are much more common in the last 20 years than the 30 before that, and they were more common in those 30 years than the preceding 100. There is no link to population, but certainly some link to the availability of deadlier firearms. The impulse to kill lots of people isn't all to do with guns, but the ability to do so is largely down to easy access to guns designed for killing people.

Also: firearms and bullets are no more deadly now than the 1940s and before. Where this silly myth came from puzzles me.

Do you have any idea what a standard issue clip-fed M1 rifle - from WW1 - does to humans? Or any living creature?


M1s didn't exist in WW1, but giving you the benefit of the doubt that you meant WW2, do you know what the civilian availability of M1s was until the 1990s?
 
2022-07-13 11:06:53 PM  

NobleHam: Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.

Please provide more detail about your rapidly moving goalposts.

Not the guy you replied to. Goalposts unmoved. School shootings with more than 3 casualties are much more common in the last 20 years than the 30 before that, and they were more common in those 30 years than the preceding 100. There is no link to population, but certainly some link to the availability of deadlier firearms. The impulse to kill lots of people isn't all to do with guns, but the ability to do so is largely down to easy access to guns designed for killing people.

Also: firearms and bullets are no more deadly now than the 1940s and before. Where this silly myth came from puzzles me.

Do you have any idea what a standard issue clip-fed M1 rifle - from WW1 - does to humans? Or any living creature?

M1s didn't exist in WW1, but giving you the benefit of the doubt that you meant WW2, do you know what the civilian availability of M1s was until the 1990s?


Typo - WW2. Nonetheless the idea firearms from WW2 and before aren't as lethal as today's is absurd. Agree or no?
 
2022-07-13 11:09:18 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Shryke: Fark_Guy_Rob: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

US population has roughly doubled since 1950 (150 million to 300ish million)

School shootings have increased by far more than 2x.

[Fark user image image 425x187]

You are correct. The trend is roughly 60% higher than pop growth.

[Fark user image image 425x425]
I'm not a data scientist or anything, but I'm not sure how true that is.


My source did not track 2020s - as you can readily see. However, I was rebutting the original claim that these things never happened on the 70s and before. It's false.
 
2022-07-13 11:12:38 PM  

Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: NobleHam: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

Uhh, careful calling other people historically illiterate without actually reading your reference. People have been shot at schools for a long time, yes. But when people talk about "school shootings" they're usually referring to a rampage of the type that first started with the UT shooting in 1966, and which was followed up by 1 or 2 a decade until the 1990s. After Columbine that type of shooting became much more common. The body count per school shooting has not followed population growth. Not even close.

Please provide more detail about your rapidly moving goalposts.

Not the guy you replied to. Goalposts unmoved. School shootings with more than 3 casualties are much more common in the last 20 years than the 30 before that, and they were more common in those 30 years than the preceding 100. There is no link to population, but certainly some link to the availability of deadlier firearms. The impulse to kill lots of people isn't all to do with guns, but the ability to do so is largely down to easy access to guns designed for killing people.

Also: firearms and bullets are no more deadly now than the 1940s and before. Where this silly myth came from puzzles me.

Do you have any idea what a standard issue clip-fed M1 rifle - from WW1 - does to humans? Or any living creature?

M1s didn't exist in WW1, but giving you the benefit of the doubt that you meant WW2, do you know what the civilian availability of M1s was until the 1990s?

Typo - WW2. Nonetheless the idea firearms from WW2 and before aren't as lethal as today's is absurd. Agree or no?


No, because military firearms were not widely available to the public, and certainly not widely purchased even when available. It's not until Heller that the idea an individual should have the right to a military weapon became a thing, so before that they were very highly regulated. Getting an M1 before 1996 was difficult and required training and approval. Same with most other highly deadly firearms.

Something cultural has changed too, but less restrictive gun laws have definitely facilitated the increase in deadliness of shootings. (Which, to your original point which you keep trying to worm your way out of, has, like the overall number of shootings, not followed population.)
 
2022-07-13 11:12:40 PM  

NobleHam: Shryke: Fark_Guy_Rob: Shryke: stevenvictx: Depends
1970s America where school shootings was unheard of.

Or present day where its as common as another COVID variant.

You are historically illiterate, or lying. School shootings have basically followed population growth.

US population has roughly doubled since 1950 (150 million to 300ish million)

School shootings have increased by far more than 2x.

[Fark user image image 425x187]

You are correct. The trend is roughly 60% higher than pop growth.

Oh my God, you can't do math either. In your own list, ignoring my goalpost of 3, there were 237 shootings in the last half of the 20th century and 372 in the first 22 years of the 21st, but that doesn't mean shootings have increased only 63% since 1950. If you go by decade it was a 100% increase from the 60s to the 70s, a 50% increase from the 70s to 80s, 50% again into the 90s, a 30% decrease into the 2000s until the Clinton era control laws expired, then a 300% increase into the 2010s, and at this rate a 150% increase in the 2020s.

That never follows population, and it's far more than a 60% increase over time.


It's a very rough 60% higher increase over the pop growth increase per decade. Again: very rough. But significant.

Example: population grew 50%? School shootings 110%.I am tired so that is probably off
 
2022-07-13 11:15:40 PM  

Shryke: My source did not track 2020s


Pro-tip: your source, Wikipedia, did. It's the link under "2000 to present" at the bottom.
 
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