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2022-07-12 10:48:32 PM  
I get that reference.

Plus I shake a tiny fist at the submitter who got this in faster than me. And let's face it a better headline.
 
2022-07-12 10:49:13 PM  
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2022-07-12 10:50:52 PM  
Take them home, country roads.
 
2022-07-12 10:51:37 PM  
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2022-07-12 10:51:55 PM  
4 THOUSAND??!!

Holy shiat that's a lot of baying lil beagles
 
2022-07-12 10:54:58 PM  
What were they breeding beagles for?  I guess more specifically, what were they being supplied for?

And how many beagles did they breed and supply over 20 years?  I feel like that's important before deciding on whether 15 puppies a year is a lot.  It sounds like a lot, but against 4,000 (apparently the number of dogs on-hand) it's less than a percent.
 
zez
2022-07-12 10:55:42 PM  
It kept saying research facility but never mentioned what kind of research they were doing
 
2022-07-12 10:56:48 PM  

zez: It kept saying research facility but never mentioned what kind of research they were doing


Peanuts research, I'd assume.
 
2022-07-12 10:58:54 PM  
the only guy who picked them up was a little guy that looked familiar, doug fauci,
and he wanted them boxed for overseas shipping....
 
2022-07-12 11:00:32 PM  
4,000?  That's a lox of beagles.
 
2022-07-12 11:00:56 PM  
Daisy Hill? That's where my parents sent my  beagle to live back in 1994. Is Charles Barksley ok??
 
2022-07-12 11:01:56 PM  
Here's hoping every last barky boi beagle finds a loving forever home.
 
2022-07-12 11:06:03 PM  
4,000 dogs?

WTF

That's horrifying
 
2022-07-12 11:06:54 PM  
Before you give money to places like this got to your local pet shelter and spend a few minutes checking out all the dogs and cats. Starve the puppy mills out of existence. Dogs are nothing more than livestock the most of them.
 
2022-07-12 11:09:24 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Daisy Hill? That's where my parents sent my  beagle to live back in 1994. Is Charles Barksley ok??


I have some bad news.
 
2022-07-12 11:13:43 PM  
I never understood how they could use Beagles in research labs. Howling, barking and screaming. The sound must be deafening. Maybe it's a form of self flagellation on the part of the scientists?
 
2022-07-12 11:14:52 PM  

minnesotaboy: I get that reference.

Plus I shake a tiny fist at the submitter who got this in faster than me. And let's face it a better headline.


Good grief!
 
2022-07-12 11:16:15 PM  

skyotter: What were they breeding beagles for?  I guess more specifically, what were they being supplied for?



That's like one and a half British fox hunting parties.

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2022-07-12 11:16:16 PM  

Warthog: zez: It kept saying research facility but never mentioned what kind of research they were doing

Peanuts research, I'd assume.


The Red Baron doesn't defeat himself! How many dogs do you think are required to learn how to fly a Sopwith Camel to ace standards?
 
2022-07-12 11:18:50 PM  
Wait, is this a research facility or a breeding facility? Who was buying their dogs?

Sounds like any research done with animals from this location should be revisited.

The animal researchers I know work really hard to maintain healthy, happy dogs.  This is both because they are good people who care about dogs and because stressed, inbred dogs create bad data.

Also there are regulations because some people are terrible. Sounds like this place didn't even try to follow them.
 
2022-07-12 11:21:41 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Here's hoping every last barky boi beagle finds a loving forever home.


They probably will. Going to a shelter these days, you have the option of choosing between a backyard bred pitbull with behavioral issues, a backyard bred pitbull with behavioral issues, a chihuahua (oops already been adopted. Sorry it's still on our website 4 months later), a backyard bred putbull with behavioral issues, pitbull, pitbull, pitbull, pitbull. 4000 beagles! Better make that 3000, we were running out of space so we had 1000 of them share a cage with a pitbull.
 
2022-07-12 11:28:48 PM  

My Sober Alt: Before you give money to places like this got to your local pet shelter and spend a few minutes checking out all the dogs and cats. Starve the puppy mills out of existence. Dogs are nothing more than livestock the most of them.


This wasn't a puppy mill. It was breeding beagles for research, and there's a hell of a lot more involved with research animals. Bloodlines, known genetic issues, etc. Lots and lots of record-keeping. These dogs are bred for consistency, so that other researchers can replicate previous research if needed.

IIRC, many years ago, it was discovered that some suspect animals had been used in drug research, which pretty much wiped out several lines of research and cost a lot of money and effort. Consistency in testing is essential.
 
2022-07-12 11:29:39 PM  

I want that sauce Morty!: fragMasterFlash: Here's hoping every last barky boi beagle finds a loving forever home.


They probably will. Going to a shelter these days, you have the option of choosing between a backyard bred pitbull with behavioral issues, a backyard bred pitbull with behavioral issues, a chihuahua (oops already been adopted. Sorry it's still on our website 4 months later), a backyard bred putbull with behavioral issues, pitbull, pitbull, pitbull, pitbull. 4000 beagles! Better make that 3000, we were running out of space so we had 1000 of them share a cage with a pitbull.


It really depends where in the country you are. In the LA area the shelter will have two-thousand untrained chihuahua's, to the point that they have to distribute them to shelters in other parts of the country to give them a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting adopted.
 
2022-07-12 11:30:35 PM  
They're used for medical research, among other purposes. I don't know why beagles, maybe they're easier to handle or the bloodline has known genetic faults that can be corrected for when doing drug testing, who knows. It's really not the point here.

At some phase of research, the drug or whatever has to be injected into a live creature to see what will happen, and ethically it can't be put into humans at that stage. That's hardly news. But if scientists are going to use live animals, then ALSO ethically they must treat those animals decently, give them reasonable care, good food, good housing, and not stress them more than absolutely necessary beyond the purposes of the testing. The same is true of the breeding facilities.

Of course, they're not pets; but they're also not pieces of machinery. They deserve at minimum to be treated as living beings.
 
2022-07-12 11:32:41 PM  

schubie: I never understood how they could use Beagles in research labs. Howling, barking and screaming. The sound must be deafening. Maybe it's a form of self flagellation on the part of the scientists?


Google says beagles were chosen because they are small and docile. Possibly because they haven't been selectively bred for specific characteristics to the same degree that other breeds have.
 
2022-07-12 11:43:08 PM  

indy_kid: My Sober Alt: Before you give money to places like this got to your local pet shelter and spend a few minutes checking out all the dogs and cats. Starve the puppy mills out of existence. Dogs are nothing more than livestock the most of them.

This wasn't a puppy mill. It was breeding beagles for research, and there's a hell of a lot more involved with research animals. Bloodlines, known genetic issues, etc. Lots and lots of record-keeping. These dogs are bred for consistency, so that other researchers can replicate previous research if needed.

IIRC, many years ago, it was discovered that some suspect animals had been used in drug research, which pretty much wiped out several lines of research and cost a lot of money and effort. Consistency in testing is essential.


Yeah, it is a bit scary wondering where these dogs were being sent.

I mean, the people I know who use beagles for research are good to them, but it's easy to see how the dogs could be abused without good regulations protecting them.

Mistreatment and inbreeding would skew the results of a pharmaceutical study, but I also know how often people in corporations are blinded by the bottom line. I have to imagine that's what happened here.  The more I work in industry, the more thankful I am for clear regulations that force us to pay attention and do the right thing.

Regulations for the win.
 
2022-07-12 11:58:10 PM  

Shadow Blasko: 4 THOUSAND??!!

Holy shiat that's a lot of baying lil beagles


LOOOT! LOOOOT! LOOOT!  LOOOOOT!

/heehee we don't really even notice it
 
2022-07-13 12:10:00 AM  
That's good eating
 
2022-07-13 12:23:11 AM  

schubie: I never understood how they could use Beagles in research labs. Howling, barking and screaming. The sound must be deafening. Maybe it's a form of self flagellation on the part of the scientists?


I've heard the lab beagles are assholes and tend to bite a bit.  They're not raised as pets, that's for sure.  I've known animal facility people that won't work the dog labs if they can avoid it.

Useful for anesthesia studies, though.
 
2022-07-13 12:25:07 AM  

wingedkat: Wait, is this a research facility or a breeding facility? Who was buying their dogs?

Sounds like any research done with animals from this location should be revisited.

The animal researchers I know work really hard to maintain healthy, happy dogs.  This is both because they are good people who care about dogs and because stressed, inbred dogs create bad data.

Also there are regulations because some people are terrible. Sounds like this place didn't even try to follow them.


^^^^this^^^^

I'd seriously question *all* the husbandry practices there.  There's a reason the parent company shut it down.
 
2022-07-13 12:39:20 AM  

zez: It kept saying research facility but never mentioned what kind of research they were doing


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2022-07-13 2:16:29 AM  
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2022-07-13 4:48:05 AM  

dbrunker: [Fark user image image 850x850]


I have a friend with a rather large snoopy collection who gets upset when she sees one of them mos-labeled.

When I took her to surgery a few years back, I took some of the ones from her collection to greet her when she got home

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And there's a few non-snoopys in there, too
 
2022-07-13 4:57:12 AM  

schubie: I never understood how they could use Beagles in research labs. Howling, barking and screaming. The sound must be deafening. Maybe it's a form of self flagellation on the part of the scientists?


They're not nearly as noisy or troublesome as human test subjects, who have a nasty tendency of developing telekinetic superpowers and then going about destroying the place and turning the scientists into red paste and interrupting the billionaire owner's manifesto speech. So rude!
 
2022-07-13 5:55:25 AM  

wingedkat: indy_kid: My Sober Alt: Before you give money to places like this got to your local pet shelter and spend a few minutes checking out all the dogs and cats. Starve the puppy mills out of existence. Dogs are nothing more than livestock the most of them.

This wasn't a puppy mill. It was breeding beagles for research, and there's a hell of a lot more involved with research animals. Bloodlines, known genetic issues, etc. Lots and lots of record-keeping. These dogs are bred for consistency, so that other researchers can replicate previous research if needed.

IIRC, many years ago, it was discovered that some suspect animals had been used in drug research, which pretty much wiped out several lines of research and cost a lot of money and effort. Consistency in testing is essential.

Yeah, it is a bit scary wondering where these dogs were being sent.

I mean, the people I know who use beagles for research are good to them, but it's easy to see how the dogs could be abused without good regulations protecting them.

Mistreatment and inbreeding would skew the results of a pharmaceutical study, but I also know how often people in corporations are blinded by the bottom line. I have to imagine that's what happened here.  The more I work in industry, the more thankful I am for clear regulations that force us to pay attention and do the right thing.

Regulations for the win.


The worst bit of the video was a working saying to an undercover investigator that the dogs hadn't been fed in a week...and if that got out, it'd be bad for them.

As someone that's typing this from bed, with a beagle curled up behind my knees...these kinds of stories kill me.
 
2022-07-13 6:52:54 AM  

Excelsior: skyotter: What were they breeding beagles for?  I guess more specifically, what were they being supplied for?


That's like one and a half British fox hunting parties.

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"The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable."  Oscar Wilde
 
2022-07-13 7:24:37 AM  

wingedkat: Wait, is this a research facility or a breeding facility? Who was buying their dogs?

Sounds like any research done with animals from this location should be revisited.

The animal researchers I know work really hard to maintain healthy, happy dogs.  This is both because they are good people who care about dogs and because stressed, inbred dogs create bad data.

Also there are regulations because some people are terrible. Sounds like this place didn't even try to follow them.


Thank goodness for AICUC and the Animal Welfare Act that oversees their wellbeing for the most part. If only other animals in research who have passed empathy tests such as rats were given equal treatment.
 
2022-07-13 7:30:04 AM  

zez: It kept saying research facility but never mentioned what kind of research they were doing


They're a company that provides "subjects" for research, apparently https://www.envigo.com/contract-breeding
 
2022-07-13 7:31:21 AM  
Theyre going to need a lot of cream cheese and lox.
 
2022-07-13 7:49:41 AM  

evilsofa: schubie: I never understood how they could use Beagles in research labs. Howling, barking and screaming. The sound must be deafening. Maybe it's a form of self flagellation on the part of the scientists?

They're not nearly as noisy or troublesome as human test subjects, who have a nasty tendency of developing telekinetic superpowers and then going about destroying the place and turning the scientists into red paste and interrupting the billionaire owner's manifesto speech. So rude!


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2022-07-13 8:21:19 AM  
In 2005, when we lived in New Jersey, we adopted an American Foxhound that had been raised in a heart medicine laboratory somewhere here in Ohio. The rescuer had given him (and others) cheeseburgers as a treat for a few months before he got to the SPCA, still with a shunt in his chest for the injections.

Anyway, he was nice, though foxhoundy, and would take off like a shot after a squirrel or rabbit, which was sometimes problematic. But although we fed him the best recommended diet, he'd try to sneak other food, occasionally succeeding, and when he was 8.5, he became diabetic and quickly went blind. So he had shots for 4 years, and was easier to find when he decided to go walkabout. He was chipped anyway, in case he went far afield. In his last years here in Ohio, he'd occasionally lope up the sidewalk a ways, because still no gate was a match for him, but age really was.

And then one day he suddenly stopped acting like himself, didn't want to eat or drink or do anything. We took him to the emergency vet and learned his diabetes was well in hand and all those parts checked out okay, but he had a tumor wrapped around his heart. And so then we had to say goodbye.

So what on earth was in that heart medicine?
 
2022-07-13 11:05:14 AM  

Excelsior: I want that sauce Morty!: fragMasterFlash: Here's hoping every last barky boi beagle finds a loving forever home.


They probably will. Going to a shelter these days, you have the option of choosing between a backyard bred pitbull with behavioral issues, a backyard bred pitbull with behavioral issues, a chihuahua (oops already been adopted. Sorry it's still on our website 4 months later), a backyard bred putbull with behavioral issues, pitbull, pitbull, pitbull, pitbull. 4000 beagles! Better make that 3000, we were running out of space so we had 1000 of them share a cage with a pitbull.

It really depends where in the country you are. In the LA area the shelter will have two-thousand untrained chihuahua's, to the point that they have to distribute them to shelters in other parts of the country to give them a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting adopted.


Here in SE Wisconsin we get the expected assortment of bully dogs as well as a decent selection of hounds of indeterminate ancestry. We also receive dogs from shelters all over the country who are either at risk because of a natural disaster or just plain overcrowded. I would not at all be surprised to hear some baying from the dog room next time I take my foster kittens in for shots. They once took in 250 chinchillas.

Getting all serious here, I am very proud to be associated with HAWS (Humane Animal Welfare Society) of Waukesha. They are what shelters hope to become. It is community funded but open admission and no-kill. They average over 5000 adoptions every year and will accept all the usual pet creatures, including the occasional goldfish. They also work closely with a wildlife rehabilitation organization and county sheriff. I foster kittens for them but still see a lot of the dogs. Last week they had a beautiful black dog who was mostly GSD with maybe some lab.
 
2022-07-13 11:07:07 AM  

minnesotaboy: I get that reference.

Plus I shake a tiny fist at the submitter who got this in faster than me. And let's face it a better headline.


It took me a minute. As soon as I saw that they were beagles, the reference clicked.
 
2022-07-13 5:28:30 PM  
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2022-07-13 6:12:20 PM  

Oneiros: dbrunker: [Fark user image image 850x850]

I have a friend with a rather large snoopy collection who gets upset when she sees one of them mos-labeled.

When I took her to surgery a few years back, I took some of the ones from her collection to greet her when she got home

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And there's a few non-snoopys in there, too


She wouldn't happen to be in her late 40s, first initial "D", maiden-name begins with "Sc"?
 
2022-07-13 9:55:26 PM  

Prof. Frink: She wouldn't happen to be in her late 40s, first initial "D", maiden-name begins with "Sc"?


Mid forties.  A, unmarried, K, has been on Jeopardy in the late Trebeck period.
 
2022-07-14 8:37:09 AM  

Oneiros: Prof. Frink: She wouldn't happen to be in her late 40s, first initial "D", maiden-name begins with "Sc"?

Mid forties.  A, unmarried, K, has been on Jeopardy in the late Trebeck period.


Ah. that sounds like not who I thought it might be. Oh well.
 
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