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(NBC News)   Not drugs or CTE self-harm - Marion Barber died of heat stroke in his Frisco, Texas apartment   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2022-07-12 10:18:25 AM  
Per TMZ, he had appeared to have been exercising in "sauna-like conditions" in his apartment.

Jeez...
 
2022-07-12 11:32:11 AM  
You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.
 
2022-07-12 11:35:20 AM  
I don't really see how the heat helps other than cranking the sweat level to 11. Maybe it's the manly thing to do.

There are exercise places around  that do this on purpose

https://www.hotworx.net/

plus the hot yoga thing has been around a long time.

Then again the days when it's 100 or more degrees out I'll see people out for a jog who I never see out jogging any other time.
 
2022-07-12 11:37:14 AM  
As someone that lives in the area, and frequently exercises outside in the heat, I can say with absolute certainty, that it is very easy to get heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Especially if you're unaware of the symptoms. Heat exhaustion can just start off feeling bad, and there are people that will push through that, into heat stroke territory. Simply because they do not recognize the symptoms. Having suffered from heat exhaustion a couple times, it's sneaky. Hell, I got heat exhaustion on my first run in the 100 degree weather, and I was running to a very low heart rate.

No surprise that a former professional athlete in a sport where toughness is paramount, would push through dangerous symptoms, and end up dying.
 
2022-07-12 11:40:46 AM  
I once had what I would later learn after looking up the symptoms was heat exhaustion. It was scary as fark, especially because I had no idea what was happening. Dumbass that I am, of course I didn't tell anybody because I had just gotten there a few days prior to that and not being able to hack it is not exactly a good foot to start off on. It is different once you're established as being solid because it can happen to anybody but it definitely is not how you want to be known when that is your main reference point.

Still today I'll push myself probably farther than I know is smart when I'm exercising alone but I do taper things back a bit when I get goosebumps which happens with a fair amount of regularity. Getting home a few hours ago I made the decision to put things off until tonight when the sun goes down because it feels awfully muggy even though the data doesn't say it is as high as it seems to be. I feel safer when I've got somebody with me and I start recognizing the symptoms.

Chug your water and eat your bananas, kids.
 
2022-07-12 11:54:22 AM  

question_dj: As someone that lives in the area, and frequently exercises outside in the heat, I can say with absolute certainty, that it is very easy to get heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Especially if you're unaware of the symptoms. Heat exhaustion can just start off feeling bad, and there are people that will push through that, into heat stroke territory. Simply because they do not recognize the symptoms. Having suffered from heat exhaustion a couple times, it's sneaky. Hell, I got heat exhaustion on my first run in the 100 degree weather, and I was running to a very low heart rate.

No surprise that a former professional athlete in a sport where toughness is paramount, would push through dangerous symptoms, and end up dying.


I've lived in Texas my whole life, and this summer is unlike anything I can remember. It's just absolutely f**king miserable.
 
2022-07-12 11:55:14 AM  

question_dj: As someone that lives in the area, and frequently exercises outside in the heat, I can say with absolute certainty, that it is very easy to get heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Especially if you're unaware of the symptoms. Heat exhaustion can just start off feeling bad, and there are people that will push through that, into heat stroke territory. Simply because they do not recognize the symptoms. Having suffered from heat exhaustion a couple times, it's sneaky. Hell, I got heat exhaustion on my first run in the 100 degree weather, and I was running to a very low heart rate.

No surprise that a former professional athlete in a sport where toughness is paramount, would push through dangerous symptoms, and end up dying.


I had an incident while visiting St. Louis last week.  I'm from a normally dry place so I was trying to be hyper aware of how I was feeling and still had some mild heat related symptoms from a walk in super humid weather.  It wasn't that hot, really, mid 80s, but still.  I had strategically left water for me back at my car knowing I'd need it.  I just sat there for several minutes, A/C going and drinking a bit before I went back to my hotel.
 
2022-07-12 12:18:46 PM  
While they were conducting a welfare check on June 1, police found Barber, 38, at an apartment he was believed to have been leasing in the Dallas suburb.

Wow, so after the old lady in the freezer story, I assumed "welfare checks" meant they were looking for welfare fraud.  Evidently not.
 
2022-07-12 12:54:05 PM  
Years ago, I was at Six Flags over Texas in the middle of summer with a group of roller coaster nerds.  It was the hottest day I've ever experienced and people were dropping left and right unless they stayed super hydrated.

Unreasonably high temperature + adrenaline = no good outcome
 
2022-07-12 1:08:48 PM  

Uncle Pooky: question_dj: As someone that lives in the area, and frequently exercises outside in the heat, I can say with absolute certainty, that it is very easy to get heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Especially if you're unaware of the symptoms. Heat exhaustion can just start off feeling bad, and there are people that will push through that, into heat stroke territory. Simply because they do not recognize the symptoms. Having suffered from heat exhaustion a couple times, it's sneaky. Hell, I got heat exhaustion on my first run in the 100 degree weather, and I was running to a very low heart rate.

No surprise that a former professional athlete in a sport where toughness is paramount, would push through dangerous symptoms, and end up dying.

I've lived in Texas my whole life, and this summer is unlike anything I can remember. It's just absolutely f**king miserable.


Yeah my aunt lives in Dallas and I always randomly check the weather... 9 straight 100 degree days so far with another full week on tap before I'm seeing next Monday will 'only' hit 99, but with it being a week away, that could easily change.

But... when you average 96... is 103 really all that much worse?

/I refuse to live anywhere where if the AC or heat goes out, you just die.  North Dakota winter, your heater goes out... you literally freeze to death.  Pretty quickly.  In Dallas, your AC goes out, you die of heat stroke pretty quickly.
 
2022-07-12 1:20:05 PM  
How strung out are you when the electric gets cut off and stays off?
 
2022-07-12 1:36:55 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.


Yeah, but if he had CTE the autopsy report would have said so, even if its mention would have been something like "decadent had CTE but it was not a contributing factor in their death."


/see also Billy Mays and cocaine
 
2022-07-12 1:51:40 PM  
CSB

I was at Arlington National Cemetery a few years ago in mid-summer and it was hot and humid as crap, and there was what looked to be a small group of 8 or so probably 13-15 year old girls being chaperoned by two people, a man and a woman.  One of the girls collapsed from the heat at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and one of the chaperones decided the use the opportunity to use some cold water to cool her down, copping a huge feel of her breasts in the process.  A couple people who noticed started yelling at him, the girl woke up, and the woman basically said to the bystanders "Nothing to see here move along" and ushered the guy and the girls away.

/CSB
 
2022-07-12 1:56:44 PM  

King Something: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

Yeah, but if he had CTE the autopsy report would have said so, even if its mention would have been something like "decadent had CTE but it was not a contributing factor in their death."


/see also Billy Mays and cocaine


Given his playing style and observed post football behavior, it would be a farking miracle if he didn't. Don't set so much store by the coroner's report. For all we know, they may not have even looked. These are often not the best and brightest the medical profession has to offer. What will happen if they screw up? The patient's already dead. Not by any means a new observation, but I forget who said it first.
 
2022-07-12 2:03:30 PM  

anotherluser: King Something: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

Yeah, but if he had CTE the autopsy report would have said so, even if its mention would have been something like "decadent had CTE but it was not a contributing factor in their death."


/see also Billy Mays and cocaine

Given his playing style and observed post football behavior, it would be a farking miracle if he didn't. Don't set so much store by the coroner's report. For all we know, they may not have even looked. These are often not the best and brightest the medical profession has to offer. What will happen if they screw up? The patient's already dead. Not by any means a new observation, but I forget who said it first.


I mean, I'm not a doctor (and I doubt you are either, tbf). But I have to think that you can be a bit loopy after your playing career and it's not always CTE. CTE's kind of become the go-to diagnosis by sport-fan doctors for everything
 
2022-07-12 2:15:54 PM  

IRS.Agent.009: I don't really see how the heat helps other than cranking the sweat level to 11. Maybe it's the manly thing to do.

There are exercise places around  that do this on purpose

https://www.hotworx.net/

plus the hot yoga thing has been around a long time.

Then again the days when it's 100 or more degrees out I'll see people out for a jog who I never see out jogging any other time.


mentioned he was training as a boxer so he could have been trying to lose water weight through sweating to drop to a lower weight class
 
2022-07-12 2:22:52 PM  
A highly trained athlete dying of heatstroke at age 38? Yeh, right.

Frisco TX is a small enough place to be able to completely control the news with a less-than astronomical amount of money - say, about the amount of money a former NFL player's family may have once he kicks it. Pass out a few well-placed bribes around that good-old-boy club, and he could've shot trump on main street and gotten away with it. I figure it was drugs.
 
2022-07-12 2:56:49 PM  

Stephen_Falken: A highly trained athlete dying of heatstroke at age 38? Yeh, right.

Frisco TX is a small enough place to be able to completely control the news with a less-than astronomical amount of money - say, about the amount of money a former NFL player's family may have once he kicks it. Pass out a few well-placed bribes around that good-old-boy club, and he could've shot trump on main street and gotten away with it. I figure it was drugs.


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A little meth boost in the morning before a workout wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Increase heart rate and core temperature and here we are.
 
2022-07-12 3:08:51 PM  
worst i had heat exhaustion/stroke whatever it would've been classified as was doing a race in SC when it was 98 degrees and crazy humid.  i was in pretty good shape but coming from ny where it had been in the 60s most of the spring so far, i wasn't acclimatized to it yet.  temp in the car had to have been 120-130 and i did 3.5 hours.  my brain was empty halfway through and just going on instinct.  they had to peel me out of the car to get the next guy in for the next stint.  i did another 2.5 hours the next day but it was a bit cooler and cloudier.  i don't think i felt normal again for like a week
 
2022-07-12 3:11:18 PM  
Social Justice Warlock:

All three issues in the headline can be a factor.


Let's turn up the heat, snort some coke while running on a treadmill.
 
2022-07-12 3:38:30 PM  
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2022-07-12 5:44:58 PM  

TDWCom29: anotherluser: King Something: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

Yeah, but if he had CTE the autopsy report would have said so, even if its mention would have been something like "decadent had CTE but it was not a contributing factor in their death."


/see also Billy Mays and cocaine

Given his playing style and observed post football behavior, it would be a farking miracle if he didn't. Don't set so much store by the coroner's report. For all we know, they may not have even looked. These are often not the best and brightest the medical profession has to offer. What will happen if they screw up? The patient's already dead. Not by any means a new observation, but I forget who said it first.

I mean, I'm not a doctor (and I doubt you are either, tbf). But I have to think that you can be a bit loopy after your playing career and it's not always CTE. CTE's kind of become the go-to diagnosis by sport-fan doctors for everything


Being a bit loopy post career is CTE, unless you had significant cognitive deficits before you began playing. And the reason it's such a go to is, the vast majority of people who played a violent sport for a significant length of time, and  who have received a really thorough post mortem brain exam were found to have it. I may not have an MD, but I seem to be less ignorant on the topic than you. Sorry dude. I know you don't like thinking about it, but your Saturday and Sunday afternoon entertainment in the Fall is coming at the cost of turning people into dementia patients in later life. The ethical thing to do would be to not watch.
 
2022-07-12 6:05:43 PM  

anotherluser: TDWCom29: anotherluser: King Something: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

Yeah, but if he had CTE the autopsy report would have said so, even if its mention would have been something like "decadent had CTE but it was not a contributing factor in their death."


/see also Billy Mays and cocaine

Given his playing style and observed post football behavior, it would be a farking miracle if he didn't. Don't set so much store by the coroner's report. For all we know, they may not have even looked. These are often not the best and brightest the medical profession has to offer. What will happen if they screw up? The patient's already dead. Not by any means a new observation, but I forget who said it first.

I mean, I'm not a doctor (and I doubt you are either, tbf). But I have to think that you can be a bit loopy after your playing career and it's not always CTE. CTE's kind of become the go-to diagnosis by sport-fan doctors for everything

Being a bit loopy post career is CTE, unless you had significant cognitive deficits before you began playing.


Oh, so you are a doctor!
 
2022-07-12 6:33:20 PM  

TDWCom29: anotherluser: TDWCom29: anotherluser: King Something: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

Yeah, but if he had CTE the autopsy report would have said so, even if its mention would have been something like "decadent had CTE but it was not a contributing factor in their death."


/see also Billy Mays and cocaine

Given his playing style and observed post football behavior, it would be a farking miracle if he didn't. Don't set so much store by the coroner's report. For all we know, they may not have even looked. These are often not the best and brightest the medical profession has to offer. What will happen if they screw up? The patient's already dead. Not by any means a new observation, but I forget who said it first.

I mean, I'm not a doctor (and I doubt you are either, tbf). But I have to think that you can be a bit loopy after your playing career and it's not always CTE. CTE's kind of become the go-to diagnosis by sport-fan doctors for everything

Being a bit loopy post career is CTE, unless you had significant cognitive deficits before you began playing.

Oh, so you are a doctor!


Whatever. Welcome to "ignore". Life is too short to read stupid shiat.
 
2022-07-12 6:43:24 PM  

Creoena: CSB

I was at Arlington National Cemetery a few years ago in mid-summer and it was hot and humid as crap, and there was what looked to be a small group of 8 or so probably 13-15 year old girls being chaperoned by two people, a man and a woman.  One of the girls collapsed from the heat at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and one of the chaperones decided the use the opportunity to use some cold water to cool her down, copping a huge feel of her breasts in the process.  A couple people who noticed started yelling at him, the girl woke up, and the woman basically said to the bystanders "Nothing to see here move along" and ushered the guy and the girls away.

/CSB


Not saying I condone meting out righteous indignation in public, but a cemetery is one of the more convenient places.
 
2022-07-12 6:55:40 PM  

anotherluser: TDWCom29: anotherluser: TDWCom29: anotherluser: King Something: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

Yeah, but if he had CTE the autopsy report would have said so, even if its mention would have been something like "decadent had CTE but it was not a contributing factor in their death."


/see also Billy Mays and cocaine

Given his playing style and observed post football behavior, it would be a farking miracle if he didn't. Don't set so much store by the coroner's report. For all we know, they may not have even looked. These are often not the best and brightest the medical profession has to offer. What will happen if they screw up? The patient's already dead. Not by any means a new observation, but I forget who said it first.

I mean, I'm not a doctor (and I doubt you are either, tbf). But I have to think that you can be a bit loopy after your playing career and it's not always CTE. CTE's kind of become the go-to diagnosis by sport-fan doctors for everything

Being a bit loopy post career is CTE, unless you had significant cognitive deficits before you began playing.

Oh, so you are a doctor!

Whatever. Welcome to "ignore". Life is too short to read stupid shiat.


But what if I need to ask you for medical advice?! You're diagnosing CTE on people you've never met you obviously have some kind of incredible medical background I may need!

Also, I love when people put me on ignore because then I can say their shiat is stupid with no stupid responses
 
2022-07-12 8:09:43 PM  

jake3988: Uncle Pooky: question_dj: As someone that lives in the area, and frequently exercises outside in the heat, I can say with absolute certainty, that it is very easy to get heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Especially if you're unaware of the symptoms. Heat exhaustion can just start off feeling bad, and there are people that will push through that, into heat stroke territory. Simply because they do not recognize the symptoms. Having suffered from heat exhaustion a couple times, it's sneaky. Hell, I got heat exhaustion on my first run in the 100 degree weather, and I was running to a very low heart rate.

No surprise that a former professional athlete in a sport where toughness is paramount, would push through dangerous symptoms, and end up dying.

I've lived in Texas my whole life, and this summer is unlike anything I can remember. It's just absolutely f**king miserable.

Yeah my aunt lives in Dallas and I always randomly check the weather... 9 straight 100 degree days so far with another full week on tap before I'm seeing next Monday will 'only' hit 99, but with it being a week away, that could easily change.

But... when you average 96... is 103 really all that much worse?

/I refuse to live anywhere where if the AC or heat goes out, you just die.  North Dakota winter, your heater goes out... you literally freeze to death.  Pretty quickly.  In Dallas, your AC goes out, you die of heat stroke pretty quickly.


There is a huuuuuuuge difference between 96 and 103. It's the difference between me being able to run for an hour and only being able to do 30 minutes.
 
2022-07-12 10:55:52 PM  
Heat exhaustion/stroke can be really sneaky. I had my hypertension meds changed a few years back, and my body no longer dumps heat by respiration or radiation. I immediately go into "sweating profusely", and hope for evaporation. I did a lot of yardwork, came in the house, and had to sit on the steps and have the SO bring me a cold, wet towel to put on my head. I couldn't stand up, and was dizzy. Yes, I drink a lot of water. Five minutes earlier, and I had felt fine. If I lived by myself, I would have been in real trouble.
 
2022-07-13 4:41:10 AM  

Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.


"Everybody has CTE, my grandma and my dog Old Blue,...."

You idjits sound like a broken record.
 
2022-07-13 10:46:29 AM  

jake3988: Yeah my aunt lives in Dallas and I always randomly check the weather... 9 straight 100 degree days so far with another full week on tap before I'm seeing next Monday will 'only' hit 99, but with it being a week away, that could easily change.

But... when you average 96... is 103 really all that much worse?


It's 103 but the heat index is 113. And it's every. f**king. day.

at 10pm it's still in the high 90's. we're at or near record highs here regularly.
 
2022-07-13 12:24:45 PM  
Didn't Ft. Worth already have 100 days of 100+ temps?
 
2022-07-13 12:41:50 PM  

syrynxx: Didn't Ft. Worth already have 100 days of 100+ temps?


no. they will by the time summer is over, most likely.
 
2022-07-13 1:59:02 PM  

stoli n coke: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

"Everybody has CTE, my grandma and my dog Old Blue,...."

You idjits sound like a broken record.


I think you're ascribing idiocy to the wrong poster. Barber's running style involved a lot of running through people, rather than avoiding them, and he began exhibiting strange behavior and getting into legal trouble for shiat that didn't make any sense following his career. I'm not aware of anybody who fit that set of circumstances who wasn't found to have CTE.
 
2022-07-13 7:58:16 PM  

anotherluser: stoli n coke: Social Justice Warlock: You're 38 and you die of heatstroke...? Sure it *can* be accidental. But an accident so stupid as to warrant suspicion of CTE.

"Everybody has CTE, my grandma and my dog Old Blue,...."

You idjits sound like a broken record.

I think you're ascribing idiocy to the wrong poster. Barber's running style involved a lot of running through people, rather than avoiding them, and he began exhibiting strange behavior and getting into legal trouble for shiat that didn't make any sense following his career. I'm not aware of anybody who fit that set of circumstances who wasn't found to have CTE.


Regardless, CTE had nothing to do with his death. I get it, a bunch of people who were picked last in PE saw a Will Smith movie, so now they're trying to abolish football "for everybody's own good."
 
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