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(The Gamer)   Ubisoft is here to remind you that you can't purchase digital games from them. You can only rent them for a while   (thegamer.com) divider line
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2022-07-11 10:49:53 AM  
Gather around, children and I'll tell you a tale of a time when you could walk into a building, purchase a game on some form of physical media and I swear this is true...the game you bought was completed.
 
2022-07-11 11:10:59 AM  
This is likely because you won't be able to link your Ubisoft account to the games, potentially making it impossible to prove that you own the DLC.

If you don't care enough to support it anymore, you should stop caring if the DLC is legitimate.
 
2022-07-11 11:45:04 AM  
"Closing the online services for some older games allows us to focus our resources on delivering great experiences for players who are playing newer or more popular titles. To help us achieve this, a number of older titles will be added to our list of decommissioned online services on 1 September 2022."

God I hate bullshiat execuspeak. All it's missing is some bullshiat sentence about 'consuming' media. Anytime someone mentions "consuming" media you know 95% of all they have ever said in life is bullshiat.

"We're not 'shutting down games and depriving people of things they paid for', we're adding it to a list of decommissioned services, there's a difference."
"Don't you worry about DLC, let me worry about blank".
 
2022-07-11 11:45:54 AM  
And this is precisely why SaaS is utter bullshiat and why I will never again buy any of their games.  I don't care how good they are, if they can just stop me from playing them whenever they want for any reason they want, even if in the playing it doesn't even touch their servers except for the BS login crap, then they can go fark themselves with a KA-BAR.  This is why I love GOG.
 
2022-07-11 11:58:02 AM  
Either provide a patch to "unlock" the content, or keep the system to verify them live.  If they're not that active, it can't take that many resources to keep them going.

I know some games that were tied to Games for Windows (Street Fighter IV, for instance) got patches to just use basic Steam verification once the GFW services shut down.  They didn't just turn the games off like assholes.
 
2022-07-11 12:31:46 PM  
Ok, I won't buy their games. Seems pretty simple.
 
2022-07-11 12:54:25 PM  
Ubisoft on Steam advertises games that you can't buy on Steam
 
2022-07-11 12:55:53 PM  
I don't think Ubisoft wrote those laws.
 
2022-07-11 1:00:48 PM  
and this is the same fate every game that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.

was never yours, was never anyone's history, was only ever a for profit product product that only it's real owners can have in perpetuity access to.
You can just have a culture whose entire existence is only whatever the current pop products are.
No way to know if what you got today is any good, if nothig from yesterday is around to compare it to.
 
2022-07-11 1:02:31 PM  
I don't think developers need to support games years after release when normal people have moved on ages ago. Also, I like to get my games on the high seas because developers don't support their games years down the road for abnormal people like myself.
 
2022-07-11 1:11:02 PM  
There's a reason I don't buy/rent from Ubisoft.
 
2022-07-11 1:12:10 PM  

EvilEgg: This is likely because you won't be able to link your Ubisoft account to the games, potentially making it impossible to prove that you own the DLC.

If you don't care enough to support it anymore, you should stop caring if the DLC is legitimate.


Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.

PvtStash: and this is the same fate every game and music / movie that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.


This is why I don't buy digital only items.
 
2022-07-11 1:12:53 PM  
So since they'll no longer be providing support for the DLC I'm sure they'll be happy to unlock it for free for everyone and remove the need to verify it. Right?

Right?
 
2022-07-11 1:27:22 PM  
'It remains to be seen if Ubisoft offers any compensation for those affected.'

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2022-07-11 1:32:51 PM  
WE STILL HAVE ALL YOUR FARKING MONEY
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2022-07-11 1:37:33 PM  

inglixthemad: Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.


That's pretty much my feeling on the matter.  I get frustrated about being unable to buy a copy of a thing because someone simply does not wish to sell it but at the same time is also upset when I go and get it through other means.
 
2022-07-11 1:40:50 PM  
Ubisoft management protects rapists.
 
2022-07-11 1:44:10 PM  

inglixthemad: EvilEgg: This is likely because you won't be able to link your Ubisoft account to the games, potentially making it impossible to prove that you own the DLC.

If you don't care enough to support it anymore, you should stop caring if the DLC is legitimate.

Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.

PvtStash: and this is the same fate every game and music / movie that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.

This is why I don't buy digital only items.


The only way to support most indie devs is to buy digital-only.
 
2022-07-11 1:47:05 PM  

inglixthemad: EvilEgg: This is likely because you won't be able to link your Ubisoft account to the games, potentially making it impossible to prove that you own the DLC.

If you don't care enough to support it anymore, you should stop caring if the DLC is legitimate.

Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.

PvtStash: and this is the same fate every game and music / movie that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.

This is why I don't buy digital only items.



i was just KISS for on topic about games, but yeah all thigns are either you do own your own physical copy of that product / data, or it is not yours.

I do find the awareness of this reality is something that marks our age. younger people are not aware and it is both frightening and hilarious to hear them finding out about this when they suddenly can't get whatever it was they assumed they could.

Clearly the details about concepts of ownership are getting lost along the way between generations, and the evolving freedoms corporations get that people don't.
 
2022-07-11 2:05:02 PM  
I love how much gamers freak out about 10 year old games are losing some ancillary online features.  After all that $50 they paid makes them entitled for perpetuity.  shiat, I pissed out the $50 worth of cocktails i drank Friday night by early Saturday morning.

That being said, Ubi sucks.
 
2022-07-11 2:06:13 PM  

PvtStash: and this is the same fate every game that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.

was never yours, was never anyone's history, was only ever a for profit product product that only it's real owners can have in perpetuity access to.
You can just have a culture whose entire existence is only whatever the current pop products are.
No way to know if what you got today is any good, if nothig from yesterday is around to compare it to.


I can't recall anything disappearing off my steam list.

I've lost track of or just plain lost plenty of physical media I "Owned" since then.
 
2022-07-11 2:30:40 PM  

lilplatinum: PvtStash: and this is the same fate every game that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.

was never yours, was never anyone's history, was only ever a for profit product product that only it's real owners can have in perpetuity access to.
You can just have a culture whose entire existence is only whatever the current pop products are.
No way to know if what you got today is any good, if nothig from yesterday is around to compare it to.

I can't recall anything disappearing off my steam list.

I've lost track of or just plain lost plenty of physical media I "Owned" since then.


There are a number of issues with physical media. They degrade over time, for starters. Eventually all cartridges and discs won't work anymore. On top of that physical media has the massive downside of requiring a specific time period's electronics and software to work. Try installing some stuff from the 90's on a modern machine and it just can't. Not to mention that there are no automatic patches to bring that stuff up to speed.

Both digital and physical have their flaws. It's just tends to be what's more convenient nowadays and that trends towards digital. Auto patching, recent updates, on-demand downloads, having your entire collecting at your fingertips at any moment, having older games altered to work on modern systems. It just comes with the massive fault of not actually 'owning' any of it and being held at the whims of the company and distributor as to whether you'll be allowed to access your own content. If they decide to stop supporting an older game... that's it. You don't even have the option to reinstall it once they take their servers down. And if they decide to change something you don't like? Tough luck.
 
2022-07-11 3:10:48 PM  

lilplatinum: PvtStash: and this is the same fate every game that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.

was never yours, was never anyone's history, was only ever a for profit product product that only it's real owners can have in perpetuity access to.
You can just have a culture whose entire existence is only whatever the current pop products are.
No way to know if what you got today is any good, if nothig from yesterday is around to compare it to.

I can't recall anything disappearing off my steam list.

I've lost track of or just plain lost plenty of physical media I "Owned" since then.


I've heard of a few that were completely pulled from everything.  Most of them were ones that were severely controversial and/or violated an ethics or policy rule.  Like that rape game.  But that happening seems to be extraordinarily rare.  Supposedly Fable 3 is in that boat.  People purchased it on Steam or via Steam Key (when it was available), played it, bought DLC stuff, etc.  Then one day it stopped working, and if you didn't have it already installed you weren't able to install it despite it showing in your list as "Owned".  So in that regard it didn't quite *poof* disappear, but is a dead title in those users' Libraries.
 
2022-07-11 3:28:41 PM  

Myk-House of El: inglixthemad: Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.

That's pretty much my feeling on the matter.  I get frustrated about being unable to buy a copy of a thing because someone simply does not wish to sell it but at the same time is also upset when I go and get it through other means.


Black & White.

It is ridiculous that there is no store who will accept my money for a legit copy.
 
2022-07-11 3:32:36 PM  

Stargazer86: It just comes with the massive fault of not actually 'owning' any of it and being held at the whims of the company and distributor as to whether you'll be allowed to access your own content. If they decide to stop supporting an older game... that's it. You don't even have the option to reinstall it once they take their servers down. And if they decide to change something you don't like? Tough luck.


I mean that massive fault seems pretty small since of all my steam games I don't remember it having once, and of all the physical media games i've ever bought I couldn't even tell you where they are now.

Plus if any game is remotely worth a damn and the publisher shut it down, some virgin on the internet somewhere will have it cracked and torrented somewhere.  I just don't see how the off chance of mild inconvenience could possibly offset the vast superiority of having everything readily accessible on the cloud. I just get boggled how people get worked up over what is always some shiat game that looses support.  I guess I do understand people who are 'collectors' and what not.
 
2022-07-11 3:32:49 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: inglixthemad: EvilEgg: This is likely because you won't be able to link your Ubisoft account to the games, potentially making it impossible to prove that you own the DLC.

If you don't care enough to support it anymore, you should stop caring if the DLC is legitimate.

Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.

PvtStash: and this is the same fate every game and music / movie that will be "streamed online from the cloud" already has.

This is why I don't buy digital only items.

The only way to support most indie devs is to buy digital-only.


Most indie developers will sell you a game that's yours to keep forever, instead of selling you a license to play a game that they can revoke at any time for any or no reason.
 
2022-07-11 3:34:23 PM  

WoodyHayes: Myk-House of El: inglixthemad: Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.

That's pretty much my feeling on the matter.  I get frustrated about being unable to buy a copy of a thing because someone simply does not wish to sell it but at the same time is also upset when I go and get it through other means.

Black & White.

It is ridiculous that there is no store who will accept my money for a legit copy.


https://www.amazon.com/Black-White-PC/dp/B00004UE0O?th=1
 
2022-07-11 3:37:31 PM  

WoodyHayes: Myk-House of El: inglixthemad: Also, if a vendor stops supporting a product it should be considered abandoned and no longer under copyright.

That's pretty much my feeling on the matter.  I get frustrated about being unable to buy a copy of a thing because someone simply does not wish to sell it but at the same time is also upset when I go and get it through other means.

Black & White.

It is ridiculous that there is no store who will accept my money for a legit copy.


Now that's a franchise I can't believe hasn't been rebooted in recent years.
 
2022-07-11 3:39:15 PM  

Stargazer86: There are a number of issues with physical media. They degrade over time, for starters. Eventually all cartridges and discs won't work anymore. On top of that physical media has the massive downside of requiring a specific time period's electronics and software to work. Try installing some stuff from the 90's on a modern machine and it just can't. Not to mention that there are no automatic patches to bring that stuff up to speed.


GOG literally spends weeks to months patching old games to work on modern operating systems, and if they can't manage to patch it natively (and it's old enough), they'll wrap it in DOSBox.  Speaking of which, DOSBox emulation is another means by which you can get older games to run perfectly fine on modern hardware.  Even old Windows 3.1 and 95 stuff with DOSBox-X.  Failing that, there are virtual machines on which you can install a guest OS of your choice and run the software that way.

There's always a way.

Stargazer86: Both digital and physical have their flaws. It's just tends to be what's more convenient nowadays and that trends towards digital. Auto patching, recent updates, on-demand downloads, having your entire collecting at your fingertips at any moment, having older games altered to work on modern systems. It just comes with the massive fault of not actually 'owning' any of it and being held at the whims of the company and distributor as to whether you'll be allowed to access your own content. If they decide to stop supporting an older game... that's it. You don't even have the option to reinstall it once they take their servers down. And if they decide to change something you don't like? Tough luck.


GOG.com literally lets you download the installation archive to store locally and install whenever and wherever you want.  No DRM.  When you buy a game there, it's yours.  Forever.
 
2022-07-11 3:55:54 PM  

Mugato: Gather around, children and I'll tell you a tale of a time when you could walk into a building, purchase a game on some form of physical media and I swear this is true...the game you bought was completed.


Ubisoft's terrible business practices aside, when was this? Buggy and games with massive glitches certainly existed when games were physical only.

And this is about downloaded additional DLC content. I played AC3 and Brotherhood and those games were complete without their downloadable content? I even bought them on physical media!

Ubi can fark off with this nonsense though. They should just turn off the check if purchased process so that people who paid money can still access content they've downloaded.
 
2022-07-11 4:03:53 PM  

Mugato: Gather around, children and I'll tell you a tale of a time when you could walk into a building, purchase a game on some form of physical media and I swear this is true...the game you bought was completed.


Someone never bought Daggerfall back in the day.
 
2022-07-11 4:30:31 PM  

Psychopusher: Stargazer86: There are a number of issues with physical media. They degrade over time, for starters. Eventually all cartridges and discs won't work anymore. On top of that physical media has the massive downside of requiring a specific time period's electronics and software to work. Try installing some stuff from the 90's on a modern machine and it just can't. Not to mention that there are no automatic patches to bring that stuff up to speed.


GOG literally spends weeks to months patching old games to work on modern operating systems, and if they can't manage to patch it natively (and it's old enough), they'll wrap it in DOSBox.  Speaking of which, DOSBox emulation is another means by which you can get older games to run perfectly fine on modern hardware.  Even old Windows 3.1 and 95 stuff with DOSBox-X.  Failing that, there are virtual machines on which you can install a guest OS of your choice and run the software that way.

There's always a way.


Yeah, until I want to play Total Annihilation: Kingdoms, and then the farking video renderer refuses to farking work and now it's been a farking year of searching through Google results for a fix with no luck.

// GOG has otherwise been fine, I'm just salty about that
 
2022-07-11 5:56:37 PM  
Hell, I don't think I've paid for a Ubisoft game since Prince of Persia on the Gamecube. Probably bought it used, so I was already considered a pirate by their standards.
 
2022-07-11 6:27:32 PM  
Wonder when Ubi is going to remember this only hurts legitimate customers and not the pirates... oh wait, they don't give one flying fark about harming their customers. Fark them, they keep proving why pirating their games is acceptable.
 
2022-07-11 7:37:06 PM  
That's ok, I haven't bought a Ubisoft game since FC4.
 
2022-07-11 8:39:54 PM  
Then I consider my money being "rented" to them. As long as I can play the game, they can have the money. If I can't play the game, I want my full refund.
 
2022-07-11 8:44:41 PM  

NeoCortex42: Either provide a patch to "unlock" the content, or keep the system to verify them live.  If they're not that active, it can't take that many resources to keep them going.

I know some games that were tied to Games for Windows (Street Fighter IV, for instance) got patches to just use basic Steam verification once the GFW services shut down.  They didn't just turn the games off like assholes.


I remember when Windows Live shut down  I had to do some sketchy shennanigans to get my store bought copy of Bulletstorm to work again. And that was like a year after I bought it. It wasn't old.
 
2022-07-11 9:19:24 PM  

ParadoxDice: Then I consider my money being "rented" to them. As long as I can play the game, they can have the money. If I can't play the game, I want my full refund.


Thats... not how renting works.
 
2022-07-11 9:22:54 PM  
Ubisoft has always just been a very-slightly-less-evil EA. I avoid buying anything by them, EA, and Activision, and I'm really not missing much by doing so.

20 year old Steam purchases will still run fine. Well, fine on Steam's end anyway, they may choke on modern versions of Windows.

/Spell check tried to turn "Activision" into "Vivisection". Sounds about right for what they did to Blizzard.
 
2022-07-11 11:57:06 PM  
I'll buy Steam games during the sales for funsies, but I do that knowing I don't really own them. Good thing most of my favorite games are old and available elsewhere.
 
2022-07-12 12:06:19 AM  

RolfBlitzer: I'll buy Steam games during the sales for funsies, but I do that knowing I don't really own them. Good thing most of my favorite games are old and available elsewhere.


Has Valve changed their policy in the last couple years? Even pre-pandemic when they were asked about "what happens if Steam shuts down?" the answer has been they have patches ready to shutdown the online authentication for games and regularly test them.

I mean, grain of salt and all that, but Valve, for the complaints I do have against them, has not given me reason in all these years to doubt their sincerity on that.

Some other publishers will probably revolt and insist on us rebuying on their platforms, but I'm sure the internet will see to that.
 
2022-07-12 12:14:32 AM  

lilplatinum: ParadoxDice: Then I consider my money being "rented" to them. As long as I can play the game, they can have the money. If I can't play the game, I want my full refund.

Thats... not how renting works.


Yes, but the button I clicked said "BUY", it didn't say "Rent until September 2022."

I consider digital content to be NFTs. So... I could sell crypto currency like Bit Coin, and then declare that it was all just "rented"? Are other NFTs just "renting"? Those crypto coins are just as real and owned as my game in the cloud, or on my hard drive.
 
2022-07-12 12:56:08 AM  

Sgt. Expendable: RolfBlitzer: I'll buy Steam games during the sales for funsies, but I do that knowing I don't really own them. Good thing most of my favorite games are old and available elsewhere.

Has Valve changed their policy in the last couple years? Even pre-pandemic when they were asked about "what happens if Steam shuts down?" the answer has been they have patches ready to shutdown the online authentication for games and regularly test them.

I mean, grain of salt and all that, but Valve, for the complaints I do have against them, has not given me reason in all these years to doubt their sincerity on that.

Some other publishers will probably revolt and insist on us rebuying on their platforms, but I'm sure the internet will see to that.


I think we're seeing right here what happens when a game shuts down on Steam.
 
2022-07-12 4:30:31 AM  

RolfBlitzer: Sgt. Expendable: RolfBlitzer: I'll buy Steam games during the sales for funsies, but I do that knowing I don't really own them. Good thing most of my favorite games are old and available elsewhere.

Has Valve changed their policy in the last couple years? Even pre-pandemic when they were asked about "what happens if Steam shuts down?" the answer has been they have patches ready to shutdown the online authentication for games and regularly test them.

I mean, grain of salt and all that, but Valve, for the complaints I do have against them, has not given me reason in all these years to doubt their sincerity on that.

Some other publishers will probably revolt and insist on us rebuying on their platforms, but I'm sure the internet will see to that.

I think we're seeing right here what happens when a game shuts down on Steam.


I have several games on Steam that have been removed from the shop. They're still in my library. I can download and play them at any time. That should continue to be the case as long as Steam exists. According to Valve, if they do shut down Steam then users will be able to download DRM-free installers for everything in their libraries.

None of this applies to games that are sold on Steam to be activated on another service. Those will only be available as long as the third party service provides them. There's nothing Valve can do about that. Other than simply not sell them through Steam in the first place. Which would be nice.
 
2022-07-12 5:53:19 AM  

King Something: Most indie developers will sell you a game that's yours to keep forever, instead of selling you a license to play a game that they can revoke at any time for any or no reason


Um, no.  They sell you a license just like everyone else.
 
2022-07-12 9:50:48 AM  
Hard media or digital, eventually they both die. CD/DVD's are a bit worse than cartridges, because the layer can come off, or sun can damage the data layer, cartridges last a bit longer but eventually corrode and die (or their batteries die). Steam meanwhile, the digital download warehouse to end all digital warehouses, isn't going anywhere.

As to the games mentioned in the article, I didn't know that so many would get up in arms over DLC for semi-modern titles that are 10 years old. The base games will continue to work. 

Also, just as an example, Far Cry 3 has 570 current players. The DLC "Blood Dragon" has 17. That's why they are killing it.
 
2022-07-12 11:29:34 AM  
I want to be mad about this...but am having a difficult time finding the rage anymore. As time has gone one, I've come to realize that Ubisoft retiring games like this isn't much different than what happened to my collection of games I amassed as a kid/teenager.

Gazillions of CD jewel cases, enshrining games like Homeworld, Thief, Deus Ex, System Shock, Mass Effect, Command & Conquer, Dawn of War, Quake, Unreal, Half Life, Duke Nukem, Wing Commander, etc, and myriads of expansion packs, all became...basically worthless. No machine I've owned in years has a drive to use them, and even if they did none of the software will run on newer operating systems. If I had wanted to play any of them, I'd have to buy an optical drive and set up a virtual machine (or find several generations of various ancient PC's and try and maintain them and house them), or buy new updated versions at additional cost from value-added cloud services like GOG and steam.

Most of these titles Ubisoft is retiring look like they were released a decade ago or more. Look at any videogame from the 90's and ask yourself if you could have still played that on a contemporary machine 10 years later without jumping through all sorts of hoops. Did you buy the original Doom from 1993? By 2003 most machines had lost their floppy drives and were running on WinXP, meaning you'd need to find a drive and set up DOSbox to play it, or find an updated version.

Like, fark Ubisoft, I'm all on board with that for a wide variety of reasons that they very much deserve.

But at the same time, games aging out of playability isn't a new thing, right around the decade mark is when lots of titles start running into that. In this case it's because Ubisoft is being cheap, but they're also still *around*, I've got tons of games I can't play (and that had far shorter lifespans than a decade) because the publisher no longer exists. Warhammer Online, Hawken...looking at you.

So yeah, it sucks, I feel it, it's scummy on Ubisofts part, but if you expected to always be able to play all your videogames forever without needing to either resort to technical adaptations or remastered/updated re-releases (or outright piracy), you really need to be taking a more realistic look at what can be expected from a $60 entertainment product.
 
2022-07-12 11:56:17 AM  

ParadoxDice: Those crypto coins are just as real and owned as my game in the cloud, or on my hard drive.


Correct but not in the way you intended I think.
 
2022-07-12 12:17:44 PM  
I own (or thought I did) half the titles on that list.  This'll be the last time I pay for any Ubisoft games.

As others have said, if they patched them so that I could still use all my single-player stuff, I'd be fine with that.  I've played other games where they shut down multiplayer servers (which I never use) and single player still worked fine.  Leave me with that and I'll be perfectly happy.
 
2022-07-12 5:55:05 PM  

Xander_CDN: I own (or thought I did) half the titles on that list.  This'll be the last time I pay for any Ubisoft games.

As others have said, if they patched them so that I could still use all my single-player stuff, I'd be fine with that.  I've played other games where they shut down multiplayer servers (which I never use) and single player still worked fine.  Leave me with that and I'll be perfectly happy.


When was the last time you played one of them?

zbtop: I want to be mad about this...but am having a difficult time finding the rage anymore. As time has gone one, I've come to realize that Ubisoft retiring games like this isn't much different than what happened to my collection of games I amassed as a kid/teenager.

Gazillions of CD jewel cases, enshrining games like Homeworld, Thief, Deus Ex, System Shock, Mass Effect, Command & Conquer, Dawn of War, Quake, Unreal, Half Life, Duke Nukem, Wing Commander, etc, and myriads of expansion packs, all became...basically worthless.


Yep. Or worse, a CD/DVD folio/wallet, which, if you tried to get them out now after years and years of sitting there - you'll find that they will be stuck, or will peel the data layer off when you take them out. I literally haven't had an optical drive in my computer since 2009. 

If there is some game I'm feeling particularly nostalgic over, I'll re-buy or download it (if possible) from a variety of sources, even piracy in extreme cases.
 
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