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2004-12-03 7:25:38 PM  
Bank Leumi, one of Israel's biggest banks, said it was developing the card in response to requests from the observant Jewish community.

What numbnuts would request a card like this? If they don't want to use a credit card on the Sabbath, why don't they just get a credit card and not use it on the Sabbath?
 
2004-12-03 7:29:45 PM  
I didn't know shopping was a violation of the Jewish observation of the Sabbath. What about online shopping?

What do they do if there's an emergency on Sunday and they're low on cash?
 
2004-12-03 7:36:24 PM  
I'l just give the card to my shabbes goy to hand to the clerk.
 
2004-12-03 7:44:33 PM  
Apparently swiping a credit card uses a modern convience or whatever so in effect they aren't allowed to do it on the day of the sabboth
 
2004-12-03 8:08:34 PM  
Note to self: scrap plans to go on a shopping spree tomorrow with stolen Jewish credit card.

Wait!

Note to self: disregard previous note. Continue on stolen credit card shopping spree as planned, except do so on Sunday! Brilliant!
 
2004-12-03 9:06:46 PM  
Oy!, no wonder I haven't been able to get my order for "Master of Reality" to go through!
 
2004-12-03 11:48:31 PM  
SHOMER FARKING SHABBIS!
 
2004-12-03 11:51:30 PM  
What if you're on vacation in Japan and it's already tomorrow there? Does the Sabbath at Jerusalem take precedence? What criteria will the company use to determine whether the purchase is kosher or not?
 
2004-12-03 11:54:23 PM  
Why does the article use the term "Ultra-orthodox"? Is there some kind of "halfassed orthodox"?
 
2004-12-03 11:56:07 PM  
Just another example how relgion is just an outdated form of control. What a waste.
 
2004-12-03 11:56:29 PM  
well that's just about stupid.

if you don't believe in doing something, don't do it, ass wipe.
 
2004-12-03 11:56:31 PM  
I think your'e not alowed to "light" anything on the sabbath, spark plug on engine, electricity on monitor, filament on light bulb, etc, etc.
 
2004-12-03 11:56:37 PM  
Um, are there any rabbinic scholars out there reading Fark at the moment?

/crickets chirping
 
2004-12-03 11:58:10 PM  
Would this card adjust for the Sabbath beginning at different times in different time zones? Does it go by solar time or sidereal?

Now if they could only invent a a machinegun that wont work on the Sabbath, then there would be a 14.28% drop in the number of dead Palestinians!
 
2004-12-03 11:58:29 PM  
Come on, who gives a shiat? It's a perfectly voluntary card offered by a bank. Nobody is making anyone use it. If Orthodox Jews want to use it, let 'em. It's no skin off anyone else's nose.
 
2004-12-03 11:58:43 PM  
AWESOME !! Man, I'd like to be an Orthodox Jew. When I worked for a hotel, I remember that on the Sabbath, Orthodox Jews staying at the hotel did not (because it was considered working):


-flip on light switches -or-
-push elevator buttons, among some other things I forget. How they called someone at the front desk I dunno. I'm assuming that using a phone was frowned upon, as well.


Whatever, someone from the front desk had to call the elevators for these people if they left their rooms to go somewhere. Can't recall more, but the front desk people always complained about this stuff.

 
2004-12-03 11:59:03 PM  
The_Passion_of_the_Koresh asks: "Why does the article use the term "Ultra-orthodox"? Is there some kind of "halfassed orthodox"?"

It's just like Ultra Fark, trying to make it sound better then it really is. "We are more observant then thou, we are the ULTRA Orthodox"

/Ultra Fark, when you want to control the world but don't have the tim.... (connection terminated)
 
2004-12-03 11:59:28 PM  
The_Passion...: The kinds of Judaism, in order of descending orthodoxy: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform.
 
2004-12-04 12:01:49 AM  
JQPublic:

Now if they could only invent a a machinegun that wont work on the Sabbath, then there would be a 14.28% drop in the number of dead Palestinians!


Unless inoperable guns can somehow keep palestinian kids from blowing themselves up than I doubt it.
 
2004-12-04 12:02:47 AM  
iollow:What do they do if there's an emergency on Sunday and they're low on cash?

They don't have a problem. Sabbath is on Saturday.
 
2004-12-04 12:04:30 AM  
Can someone tell me what the christian significance of Sunday is? I mean G-d rested on the 7th day and the seventh day of the week is Saturday according to the calendar. Sunday is the first day of the week so its not the day of rest. What is it than?
 
2004-12-04 12:05:07 AM  
Special tiny hat directly from God. With all that universe to take care of, he gives you a little hat.
 
2004-12-04 12:05:18 AM  
If only the bank could get them to stop stealing land on the sabbath, then you'd have something.
 
2004-12-04 12:05:27 AM  
BTW, if there is any kind of life threatning emergency, it ttrumps the sabbath... driving, phones, handling money, labor and whatnots are totally OK in that case.
 
2004-12-04 12:06:07 AM  
iollow

Jewish Sabbath is on Saturdays, mostly - starting Friday night, ending 24 hours later. The most observant don't do a whole lot during this time... no driving, turning on/off lights, writing, buying/selling anything, etc.

This is the part when I just shurg and let the "another world, another culture, I'll mind my own business" train of through run its course.

/not observant, just go to an orthodox temple
//16, and not really having a choice in the matter
 
2004-12-04 12:07:05 AM  
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Cool!
Its religious nutjob night on Fark.

/I love this bar.
 
2004-12-04 12:07:18 AM  
Asteron,

Touche'.


MonkeyAngst,
The Sabbath begins at sunset Friday and ends sunset Saturday.
 
2004-12-04 12:07:47 AM  
SuperCatBarf


Special tiny hat directly from God. With all that universe to take care of, he gives you a little hat.


Actually, that's more of a "fashion statement". Like a community garment. There is no edict in Judaism that requires you to cover your head. It's an "I belong" statement.
 
2004-12-04 12:12:58 AM  
JQPublic...

Wow I was bracing for a flame. Anyway jewish holidays are all start on sunset and end when the sky is dark the next day and that is based on the local sunset/sunrise times. These vary by time zone, DST, latitude, and longitude. I assume the trial program would work only in Israel but later it seems possible to look up a merchants location and calculate the local sunset times automagically. You dont even have to be that exact if you allow for a more liberal blockage of service.
 
2004-12-04 12:13:49 AM  
because when you cant make pepole follow their beliefs you can get a courporation to help.
 
2004-12-04 12:14:13 AM  
That's as nuts as a bank issuing a credit card that can't be used on sundays because some lunatic like Jerry Falwall wanted it that way. It's a LAZY way of observing the holy day. Instead of having the self-discipline to NOT use the card on the sabbath, they expect the bank to police their actions. Just extrememly lazy.

Of course, I could say something about money changers, but I won't go there.
 
2004-12-04 12:14:50 AM  
The little hat is used during religious services.. I think as a sign of respect to G-d who is looking down on you and doesnt want to see your bald head or something... kinda the opposite of taking your hats off in church i guess.
 
2004-12-04 12:15:23 AM  
You know, reading the news lately I was all upset. I was thinking "Why must the fundies plague us?" Then Fark came along and reminded me there are religious nutjobs in other countries too. Thank you Fark.
 
2004-12-04 12:16:10 AM  
ya gotta just wonder how farked in the head some people have to be to go from some "don't work once a week"-rule to.......well I can't open the fridge cause that would be labor but I can keep my food in a cooler and I can keep my coffee warm in a thermo from yesterday but don't make it fresh?!?!? and no shopping?!?!

Really? There are religious leaders that have studied this crap and those are the rules the came up with?

/ don't even bother with the gene pool...way to polluted by now
 
2004-12-04 12:16:13 AM  
oy oy oy, the rabbi was a goy.
 
2004-12-04 12:16:36 AM  
SpacePunk

I guarantee if they made credit cards that didnt work on Sundays (at least Sunday mornings) and had a big picture of Jesus on them they would sell like mad in the bible belt.
 
2004-12-04 12:17:48 AM  
Then curses you with Billy Crystal.

"____________II was funny, ya know? (no laughs) Ey, I'm a Jew (waiting for laughs)!!!!(silence) Ey, I been in a gangster movie. Whadda you think happened? (silence) (erupts into some Jewish talk)(crowd still unresponsive)
 
2004-12-04 12:18:12 AM  
Durendal
Come on, who gives a shiat? It's a perfectly voluntary card offered by a bank. Nobody is making anyone use it. If Orthodox Jews want to use it, let 'em. It's no skin off anyone else's nose.

I don't see anyone saying that this shouldn't be allowed.

What I do see is many people (myself included) who think the idea is completely stupid. And there's no reason why we should feel compelled to pretend we don't think that.

Seriously... who the hell are these people who are so intensely religious that they would want something like this, yet are still unable to follow their religion's rules without someone else forcing them to?
 
2004-12-04 12:18:40 AM  
Kosher credit. What will they think of next?
 
2004-12-04 12:18:48 AM  
There is an orthodox jewish classmate of mine that always biatches because the non jewish students can work on their outlines and stuff while she can't during the jewish holidays (apparently you can't write, or open a book, either?).

I tell her "do you think God is really going to be that pissed at you if you study on a holiday? Don't you think God would be more pissed if you screwed up in school and failed out?". She just gives me a face.

Otherwise, she's a pretty smart woman. Its a shame she's brainwashed like that. Meh. Just gives me a better chance to score higher on the grade curve.
 
2004-12-04 12:20:00 AM  
I'm still waiting for the credit cards that don't work when you're trying to withdraw cash in a strip club.
 
2004-12-04 12:21:26 AM  
By the way, if you don't see how absurd the concept is that they can't push an elevator button or flick on a light switch for religious reasons, you've got to be out of your mind.

/silly religious rules make me nuts
 
2004-12-04 12:24:03 AM  
Sabrett hot dogs rule!
 
2004-12-04 12:28:58 AM  
Hugh G. Rection, ever heard of transubstantiation? Most religions have what might seem to be absurd concepts when viewed as an outsider.

/hates religious intolerance
 
2004-12-04 12:30:50 AM  
Asteron:

Can someone tell me what the christian significance of Sunday is? I mean G-d rested on the 7th day and the seventh day of the week is Saturday according to the calendar. Sunday is the first day of the week so its not the day of rest. What is it than?

Sunday was supposed to be the day that Christ was resurrected, so that is seen as the worship day of Christians, although some do both. I believe that that is the reason why western culture (for the most part) has weekends, Saturdays to rest, Sundays to worship (or is at least a growth from that).
 
2004-12-04 12:32:57 AM  
Asteron
Can someone tell me what the christian significance of Sunday is? I mean G-d rested on the 7th day and the seventh day of the week is Saturday according to the calendar. Sunday is the first day of the week so its not the day of rest. What is it than?

It's Resurrection Day, the day of the week when Jesus rose from the dead. I don't know when the early Christians started celebrating it as the week's "holy day" instead of the original Saturday, but it probably occurred very early in church history. As a side note, there are some Christian churches, such as the Seventh Day Adventists, who hold their services on Saturday in accordance with or out of respect for the original Jewish Sabbath.
 
2004-12-04 12:33:16 AM  
If you were truly observant, shouldn't you use your willpower and just not use the card? Or do I totally miss the point of this. I mean, you could do the things allowed on Sabbath, ut the point is you are willing to give them up for your religion. Can you not resist temptation?

Next thing, men'll be asking women to cover up head to toe in a sheet so we can't be tempted by them.
 
2004-12-04 12:33:24 AM  
The card also prohibits the holder from paying retail
 
2004-12-04 12:33:37 AM  
Here's my take on things:

The UO community in Israel feels threatened by the mostly secular state. They would like to live in isolation, but that is impossible. They have to interact on some basic level with the state, which many of them see as run by sinners. That is not the case for UO living in the US, for example, as gentiles are not sinners. You can only sin within the framework of your own religion. So basically they are unwillingly interacting with a lot of sinning Jews, and for an observant Jew, causing or even not preventing another Jew from sinning, is a serious dilemma.

One type of interaction is retail purchases. If they purchase at a store which does not observe the sabbath (even if they do the purchase on a Wednesday), then they are unwitting party to a sin. So this credit card serves the purpose of blocking the for making a purchase at a sinner's store. In not buying in a sinner's store, they have no association whatsoever with the store's transgressions.

OK, why block it on Sabbath, of the UO themselves will not use it anyway? This is probably a "brand name" thing; like many other identity parepernalia which an orthodox Jew is associated with, mainly in forms of garment. Now they have a "fashion credit card", which -- whenever they swipe it -- strenghtehns their observant nature in the eyes of the surrounding community. "What's in YOUR wallet?"
 
2004-12-04 12:42:01 AM  
Asteron,

No flame. I actually meant to end my initial post like this;

/sarcasm

But I forgot, and it made it look like I was Jew-poaching.
 
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