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(The Philadelphia Inquirer)   Yee hah. The science of when guns are shot in the air   (inquirer.com) divider line
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2022-07-07 3:10:25 AM  
12 votes:

haknudsen: Mugato: paywall;dr

The bullet reaches a certain height, falls until it reaches terminal velocity and lands, probably not fast enough to kill someone, despite what those gun grabbing commies would have you think.

That's odd, in the 20 years I lived in Phoenix at least 3 people died by this exact thing. I remember because each time the city it happened in and Maricopa County each passed a law banning shooting into the air.


A bullet fired straight up into the air will lose it's kinetic energy and will tumble. Most bullets weigh less than a penny, and you would be fine if one hit you on the head while travelling at terminal velocity.

The problem is that most bullets fired into the air aren't shot straight up, and they're on a ballistic trajectory, and they still maintain their energy throughout their arc. And they can and will kill. Dropping a round onto your target is an intrinsic part of long range shooting, whether target shooting, hunting, or warfare; those rounds go somewhere, and you need to account for drop over distance.

I've dropped a round into a soda can at 100 yards with a Kimber .45 1911 pistol. I ended up aiming twenty feet above it, and it took three shots to hit it, but it was torn in half. I couldn't believe that I hit it, my Dad couldn't believe that I hit it, he told me there was no way that I could hit that can with a 1911 at 100 yards, it was only good out to 35 yards, but I did. And the bullet still had enough energy to completely destroy the can. It shouldn't have, a .45 shouldn't be able to cause that much damage at 100 yards, but it did.

Firearms, and bullets aren't a joke, and they shouldn't be played with. I have a very healthy respect for them, and I'm absolutely appalled by how people treat them like toys.

Anyway, I figured I should comment, because there's quite a bit of confusion about bullets being fired straight up not being dangerous. But they're almost never fired straight up, and when they're not, they're very dangerous. And if you think firing a gun straight up is fun, and is a good idea, you should never be in possession of a firearm.
 
2022-07-07 2:48:02 AM  
10 votes:
"come to be called celebratory gunfire"

So far the only other countries known to openly do this type of celebrations are fellow Theocracies and Extreme Religous fans in the Middle East.  Probably also Belarus and/or Russia celebrating not being killed that day in Ukraine.

Congrats 'Murica..  👏 👏
 
2022-07-07 2:18:33 AM  
9 votes:

Mugato: paywall;dr

The bullet reaches a certain height, falls until it reaches terminal velocity and lands, probably not fast enough to kill someone, despite what those gun grabbing commies would have you think.


That's odd, in the 20 years I lived in Phoenix at least 3 people died by this exact thing. I remember because each time the city it happened in and Maricopa County each passed a law banning shooting into the air.
 
2022-07-07 3:56:54 AM  
8 votes:

Vern: haknudsen: Mugato: paywall;dr

The bullet reaches a certain height, falls until it reaches terminal velocity and lands, probably not fast enough to kill someone, despite what those gun grabbing commies would have you think.

That's odd, in the 20 years I lived in Phoenix at least 3 people died by this exact thing. I remember because each time the city it happened in and Maricopa County each passed a law banning shooting into the air.

A bullet fired straight up into the air will lose it's kinetic energy and will tumble. Most bullets weigh less than a penny, and you would be fine if one hit you on the head while travelling at terminal velocity.

The problem is that most bullets fired into the air aren't shot straight up, and they're on a ballistic trajectory, and they still maintain their energy throughout their arc. And they can and will kill. Dropping a round onto your target is an intrinsic part of long range shooting, whether target shooting, hunting, or warfare; those rounds go somewhere, and you need to account for drop over distance.

I've dropped a round into a soda can at 100 yards with a Kimber .45 1911 pistol. I ended up aiming twenty feet above it, and it took three shots to hit it, but it was torn in half. I couldn't believe that I hit it, my Dad couldn't believe that I hit it, he told me there was no way that I could hit that can with a 1911 at 100 yards, it was only good out to 35 yards, but I did. And the bullet still had enough energy to completely destroy the can. It shouldn't have, a .45 shouldn't be able to cause that much damage at 100 yards, but it did.

Firearms, and bullets aren't a joke, and they shouldn't be played with. I have a very healthy respect for them, and I'm absolutely appalled by how people treat them like toys.

Anyway, I figured I should comment, because there's quite a bit of confusion about bullets being fired straight up not being dangerous. But they're almost never fired straight up, and when they're not, they're very dangerous. And if you think firing a gun straight up is fun, and is a good idea, you should never be in possession of a firearm.


You lost me at most bullets weighing less than a penny. A penny at 2.5 grams is 38.5 grains. The only common bullets that weigh about that are 22 rimfire.  A 9 mm bullet is three times that, and they go up from that.
 
2022-07-07 5:27:39 AM  
6 votes:
Mythbusters did it.

Mythbusters - "Bullets Fired Up" (Complete)
Youtube lzNNaaxdJho
 
2022-07-07 3:06:48 AM  
3 votes:
I used to shoot a bow with Olympic finalists, not quite Olympians, near the Olympic training center. They were great guys and bowhunters. They had excellent technique. Being a kid and being unsupervised because GenX, one day I decided to ignore the targets we had on our home "acreage" and instead shoot as straight up as I possibly could. You could get a pretty good pull, and you had to be good because if you were too far off of 90 degrees, your arrow would land someplace where it could not be retrieved. With no wind and a clear day, each shot landed closer and closer to me. The target arrows were penetrating about a foot into the hard packed scrubby soil around me.

Hey! I was getting pretty good! I can't say for sure when it dawned on me what I was doing, but it suddenly became clear to me I had been playing Russian roulette for about 20 minutes and that I had better knock it off.

Sorry Darwin.

One thing about being unsupervised is that you have to figure stuff out for yourself. There is therefore a certain wisdom of GenX kidz. Depending on the toys, the time limit for the lesson can be very short.
 
2022-07-07 3:22:17 AM  
3 votes:

Mugato: paywall;dr

The bullet reaches a certain height, falls until it reaches terminal velocity and lands, probably not fast enough to kill someone, despite what those gun grabbing commies would have you think.


You could volunteer as a test article in a proof of your theory.
 
2022-07-07 3:34:46 AM  
3 votes:
Jaskolka speaks out at public events about his injury and the risks of public gunfire. His message: "Put away the gun and think about your fellow citizens. This is dangerous."

I was told that thinking about your fellow citizens is unAmerican. Self only, ever.
 
2022-07-06 9:50:14 PM  
2 votes:
paywall;dr

The bullet reaches a certain height, falls until it reaches terminal velocity and lands, probably not fast enough to kill someone, despite what those gun grabbing commies would have you think.
 
2022-07-07 2:13:48 AM  
2 votes:
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I am no statastician or data visualamationing guy - oh wait, I am, this is horribly hilarious.
GODDAMMIT DOOCHENESS-SKI
 
2022-07-07 2:28:10 AM  
2 votes:
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2022-07-07 2:51:42 AM  
2 votes:
Still, maybe it needs to be said that, as dangerous as it is to shoot into the air, it is safer than shooting at a parade watcher, church-goer, or elementary school child.

Maybe just "guns are deadly" is all that really needs to be said, lest people mistake them for toys or noisemakers, as people apparently do.

Don't shoot guns. It is obvious, right?
 
2022-07-07 5:41:23 AM  
2 votes:
Is there nowhere these idiots could just buy the extra loud blanks for their air-shooting needs?
 
2022-07-07 2:08:06 AM  
1 vote:
Onyx - Throw Ya Gunz
Youtube mQmfzGf9904
 
2022-07-07 6:23:05 AM  
1 vote:
Usually, it is because the gun owner is more haw than gee.

If you know how to drive a team of horses, you understand that
 
2022-07-07 7:22:10 AM  
1 vote:

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Guns are fired or discharged.


Unless it's a cop, then it's "a round was deployed from the officer's service revolver"
 
2022-07-07 7:39:38 AM  
1 vote:

Mugato: paywall;dr

The bullet reaches a certain height, falls until it reaches terminal velocity and lands, probably not fast enough to kill someone, despite what those gun grabbing commies would have you think.


I have removed two from my roof in separate instances within the last 5 years. They went through 2 layers of shingles, the membrane and the decking. They either hit the roof from an arc or an airborne sniper was after my wife and I in our bedroom using a holiday as a distraction.
 
2022-07-07 11:11:53 AM  
1 vote:
On the fourth when me and my oldest son were ABSOLUTELY NOT ILLEGALLY SHOOTING OFF FIREWORKS IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE the later it got, the more guns I heard

Yep, AK
Really? Someone's shooting a 22lr rifle

Oh yep, here comes the AR's
 
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