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2022-07-06 11:50:00 PM  
Trusting your software to someone else?

What could go wrong?
 
2022-07-06 11:50:44 PM  

indy_kid: Trusting your software to someone else?

What could go wrong?


indy_kid: Trusting your software to someone else?

What could go wrong?


Well they are not trusting Amazon with their data evidently.
 
2022-07-07 12:09:47 AM  
It is difficult to believe that anyone can save money by giving more money to Oracle.
 
2022-07-07 12:13:18 AM  
Typical business mistake.

"We think we'll save big money, so we'll do this thing that could totally fark us if things go south."

You don't have your own data on your own servers in your own custody? Good Luck!
 
2022-07-07 12:20:31 AM  
Eh, it'll happen to most everyone eventually, despite the howling of BOFHs.

A lot of vendors aren't even doing on prem versions of their products anymore, and if they are it's a cobbled-together mess of their cloud based product.
 
2022-07-07 12:32:52 AM  

fnordfocus: It is difficult to believe that anyone can save money by giving more money to Oracle.


Cue the Admiral Ackbar meme...
 
2022-07-07 12:37:51 AM  
Moving to the "cloud" is like offshoring your program development to India: at first glance the costs seem lower, but once you start having to deal with all the issues, it'll likely end up being a wash.

Welcome to living within your providers' SLAs.
 
2022-07-07 1:09:20 AM  

Dinjiin: Moving to the "cloud" is like offshoring your program development to India: at first glance the costs seem lower, but once you start having to deal with all the issues, it'll likely end up being a wash.

Welcome to living within your providers' SLAs.


Yeah, no. I worked for a company that did business with FedEx. They had no idea how to run their data centers. It's not surprising, if you think about it - with all the jobs available to good developers and sysadmins, why would they take a crappy job at FedEx? They had bad turnover, they had ancient equipment, they were put together in the least efficient way imaginable. They couldn't even figure out their own problems and would throw money at them. Duct tape on top of duct tape. Think about it - why would FedEx need to spend $400M per year in data center costs? That's INSANE.

It's not surprising if you think about it. FedEx is all about shipping, logistics and trucking. Their execs and board don't know shiat about running a DC. Hell, they would say DC means "Distribution Center", not "Data Center". Outsourcing this is absolutely the right decision.
 
2022-07-07 1:10:14 AM  

leviosaurus: It's not surprising, if you think about it 

It's not surprising if you think about it.


Yeah, time to go to sleep.
 
2022-07-07 1:27:23 AM  

Dinjiin: Moving to the "cloud" is like offshoring your program development to India: at first glance the costs seem lower, but once you start having to deal with all the issues, it'll likely end up being a wash.



I know. Only idiots use products or services that rely on the cloud.
 
2022-07-07 1:36:42 AM  
If you haven't already bought stock in your favorite hyperscale cloud service provider WTF are you waiting for? You want to be able to afford to have yourself uploaded to San Junipero eventually, right?
 
2022-07-07 1:43:52 AM  

leviosaurus: Yeah, no. I worked for a company that did business with FedEx. They had no idea how to run their data centers.


My anecdote: I had a Fed Ex package that was apparently misdelivered (which happens, that's not what I'm complaining of).  Fed Ex tracking was completely nonsensical, couldn't make up its mind whether it was delivered or still in transit.  A few days later, for whatever reason, it showed up on the other side of the country, then was sent to a distribution center not really in the correct direction, then they handed it off to USPS deliver the order (it arrived in my mailbox).  Which is weird because my understanding is sometimes Fed Ex uses USPS for local delivery, but not for distance shipping.

With my computing knowledge I was able to figure out what the probable underlying issues produced the tracking anomalies, so I was not really concerned.  But yeah, doesn't surprise me and, for them, moving to cloud may be the better decision.

Anyway, I'm typing this on the SSD they sent me, so it worked out in the end.
 
2022-07-07 1:44:58 AM  
Yeah, figures FedEx would be the ones that can't even deliver packages to themselves without losing them.
 
2022-07-07 1:56:12 AM  
I'll never forgive what they did to Solaris.
 
2022-07-07 2:30:00 AM  
Yeah, once you get past the screeching sysadmins you quickly realize, as someone already mentioned, that FedEx did a crappy job of running their own datacenters because that's not what they do.

I don't know about choosing Oracle (I guess AWS was a no-go due to it being Amazon and all) but it is a pretty logical move now that the cloud offerings have become more robust.

Dinjiin: Welcome to living within your providers' SLAs.


Set up the right multi-region (and/or multi-cloud) footprint and that's still a better SLA than your in-house people would have delivered. Assuming you're not in the business of running datacenters.
 
2022-07-07 5:49:51 AM  
Hopefully this will fix FedEx from "delivering" packages to me that were never really sent yet.
 
2022-07-07 6:51:39 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Hopefully this will fix FedEx from "delivering" packages to me that were never really sent yet.


Or their infamous delivery attempted spiel where there driver waits 10sec out on your street and then drives off without getting out or knocking.
 
2022-07-07 6:58:06 AM  
FedEx to Stop Using Mainframes, Close All Data Centers By 2024. The company is moving to the cloud

Here, let me fix that:

FedEx to start using somebody else's mainframes.
 
2022-07-07 7:06:29 AM  
I really wish things like Fedex and UPS would go away. I much preferred things with the USPS especially since it was mandated in the constitution and frankly should be better cared for by our government.
 
2022-07-07 7:27:47 AM  
This is a good idea. Mainframes use lots of power. If everyone shut down their mainframes and just used the cloud, it would go a long way to helping the environment. Google should lead the way on this.
 
2022-07-07 7:31:52 AM  

Nimbull: I really wish things like Fedex and UPS would go away. I much preferred things with the USPS especially since it was mandated in the constitution and frankly should be better cared for by our government.


Uh, about that.

Article 1, Section 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Article 1, Section 8
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

The Congress is granted the power to establish post offices.  That's not the same as mandating the creation of a post office.
 
2022-07-07 7:40:27 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Nimbull: I really wish things like Fedex and UPS would go away. I much preferred things with the USPS especially since it was mandated in the constitution and frankly should be better cared for by our government.

Uh, about that.

Article 1, Section 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Article 1, Section 8
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

The Congress is granted the power to establish post offices.  That's not the same as mandating the creation of a post office.


Close enough for me especially since they aren't a private company looking at a bottom line the cheapest way possible while losing packages left and right.
 
2022-07-07 7:45:09 AM  

Nimbull: I really wish things like Fedex and UPS would go away. I much preferred things with the USPS especially since it was mandated in the constitution and frankly should be better cared for by our government.


Hah, until FedEx and UPS provided serious competition to the USPS their level of customer service was awful. I remember the days when you'd be expecting a package in the mail and they would not give a single fark about it - couldn't tell you where it was or when it would be delivered, and it was always *IF* it would be delivered. They literally would not care one bit about it and they didn't have to care.

Now there is pretty decent tracking and service with packages because that sector has become the lifeline of the USPS. It's not perfect as I can attest. I mailed something in December, with tracking as Priority Mail, and it was undeliverable at that address for some reason. I filed a request in the tracking system to redeliver to a valid address and it was sent to the lost mail department. I filed a search request and now, about 7 months later, it's simply marked as "unable to be located." I can't figure out how something with a tracking number on the priority mail packaging is "unable to be located" when it should be easily located, but I guess that happens.
 
2022-07-07 7:47:39 AM  

fnordfocus: It is difficult to believe that anyone can save money by giving more money to Oracle.


It's "give money to Oracle" or "give money to Oracle and also pay a bunch of people to maintain the Oracle systems"
 
2022-07-07 9:36:25 AM  
I wouldn't touch that program with a 10 foot pole. Did it already for Estee Lauders global footprint and it was bananas. I can't imagine running FedExs migration.
 
2022-07-07 11:35:35 AM  
LOL old people snapping their suspenders. "Good luck with your 'cloud' fad, suckers!!".
 
2022-07-07 11:58:55 AM  

SouthParkCon: I wouldn't touch that program with a 10 foot pole. Did it already for Estee Lauders global footprint and it was bananas. I can't imagine running FedExs migration.


You have the correct perception.

On top of that, I'm sure FedEx will try to do this on the cheap.

I've done cloud migrations in software companies that knew what they're doing, and it's still painful as hell.
 
2022-07-07 2:51:36 PM  

leviosaurus: SouthParkCon: I wouldn't touch that program with a 10 foot pole. Did it already for Estee Lauders global footprint and it was bananas. I can't imagine running FedExs migration.

You have the correct perception.

On top of that, I'm sure FedEx will try to do this on the cheap.

I've done cloud migrations in software companies that knew what they're doing, and it's still painful as hell.


**Boss waves hands around the entire data center**

"Just throw it all on a VM, it'll be fine"
 
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