Skip to content
Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(BBC-US)   In unprecedented joint appearance, both US and UK intelligence agencies warn that China presents an "immense" threat. The details are chilling   (bbc.com) divider line
    More: Scary, United States, People's Republic of China, China, Taiwan, Qing Dynasty, Han Chinese, Han Dynasty, MI5 head  
•       •       •

5084 clicks; posted to Politics » on 06 Jul 2022 at 2:46 PM (21 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



126 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2022-07-06 2:21:00 PM  
Good thing none of our politicians are married to any Chinese Nationals, isn't it Mitch?
 
2022-07-06 2:24:37 PM  
Not cool story bro.

Back a while I worked for a company doing business in China. Our executives visited there a f ew times. Then they were informed that the Chinese had hacked their phone, used them to eavesdrop on meetings, and even as a gateway to the corporate network(s).

We ended up pulling out 100% our business including manufacturing capacity.

Still stands as a good decision.
 
2022-07-06 2:25:00 PM  
Better add $200B to the defense budget just in case, right?
 
2022-07-06 2:26:22 PM  
Wouldn't be this immense threat if we didn't ship off our wealth along with our jobs to them.
 
2022-07-06 2:33:21 PM  
Learn Mandarin.
 
2022-07-06 2:49:41 PM  

SpectroBoy: Not cool story bro.

Back a while I worked for a company doing business in China. Our executives visited there a f ew times. Then they were informed that the Chinese had hacked their phone, used them to eavesdrop on meetings, and even as a gateway to the corporate network(s).

We ended up pulling out 100% our business including manufacturing capacity.

Still stands as a good decision.


But think of how much shareholder value you list!  /S
 
2022-07-06 2:50:15 PM  
It's just a picture of Nicholas Cage.

youdontsay.jpg
 
2022-07-06 2:50:24 PM  
Fark used to have a dedicated source for news like this.

alchetron.comView Full Size
 
2022-07-06 2:50:30 PM  
Nuke 'em from orbit.
 
2022-07-06 2:50:30 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Learn Mandarin.


Trevor Slattery or Xu Wenwu?
 
2022-07-06 2:50:39 PM  
So what are we going to do? Nothing? I'm assuming nothing.
 
2022-07-06 2:51:21 PM  
FTFA "Which included chief executives of businesses and senior figures from universities - that the Chinese government was "set  ...."


Never mind. Thread was derailed before 5 posts in.
 
2022-07-06 2:51:49 PM  
Why is the FBI involved?
 
2022-07-06 2:51:56 PM  
More of a threat than the Republicans? LOL

Yes, I'm saying the Republicans are as bad for America as the Chinese government.

Seems kinda obvious, really.
 
2022-07-06 2:51:57 PM  
Well yeah, they're supposedly doing shiat like this.
 
2022-07-06 2:52:34 PM  
Are they bad just because they are not us? Because they want their economy to dominate the world like us? Because they interfere in elections like us?

I really wish people would stop shiatting themselves about these nebulous "threats to our national security/interests" which really just mean threats to rich peoples money.

Worry about y'all qaeda instead. They live next door, have guns, and are getting more and more brazen in their nazism.
 
2022-07-06 2:52:50 PM  
Profits must be at stake. Now lemme RTFA.
 
2022-07-06 2:53:31 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Are they bad just because they are not us? Because they want their economy to dominate the world like us? Because they interfere in elections like us?



*3 social credits have been added to you account*
 
2022-07-06 2:53:46 PM  

austerity101: So what are we going to do? Nothing? I'm assuming nothing.



I'm preparing a petition right now!
 
2022-07-06 2:54:31 PM  
So China is doing wide-scale corporate espionage and is using a massive investment in cyber-attack strategies for both government and corporate because it is highly effective and will continue to do so?

Sounds like status quo
 
2022-07-06 2:54:51 PM  
FBI director Christopher Wray said China was the "biggest long-term threat to our economic and national security" and had interfered in politics, including recent elections.

The FBI's Wray warned that if China was to forcibly take Taiwan it would "represent one of the most horrific business disruptions the world has ever seen".

He said it posed "an even more serious threat to western businesses than even many sophisticated businesspeople realised".


Oh no... our tax-dodging businesses need defending... quick! pour all our tax money into defending our tax-dodging business people before its too late to save our tax-dodging big businesses.
 
2022-07-06 2:54:57 PM  
I work in the Telecom industry. China has been off and on attacking our corporate network for at least a decade.
 
2022-07-06 2:55:08 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Learn Mandarin.


I told you, I'm moving to France !
 
2022-07-06 2:55:09 PM  

cherryl taggart: Good thing none of our politicians are married to any Chinese Nationals, isn't it Mitch?


Elaine Chao is from Taiwan, she just has a lot of business interests in mainland China
 
2022-07-06 2:55:13 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Worry about y'all qaeda instead. They live next door, have guns, and are getting more and more brazen in their nazism.


I really hate the "we can't do more than one thing at a time!" trolling that permeates PolTab's links and denizens sometimes.

God forbid anyone in this country of walks and chews gum at the same time.
 
2022-07-06 2:55:37 PM  

Subtonic: Karma Chameleon: Are they bad just because they are not us? Because they want their economy to dominate the world like us? Because they interfere in elections like us?


*3 social credits have been added to you account*


So you're saying I have a ....credit score.
 
2022-07-06 2:56:02 PM  

Karma Chameleon: I really wish people would stop shiatting themselves about these nebulous "threats to our national security/interests" which really just mean threats to rich peoples money.


This is why I buy direct from China.  99% of what I buy is made there anyway, I just don't pay an unnecessary local middleman a commission.

What do I care if a Chinese suit or an American suit gets richer?  Neither is going to do anything for me.
 
2022-07-06 2:56:26 PM  
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-07-06 2:56:28 PM  
china's got its own problems.  They are sitting on a demographic bomb that is already starting to manifest.
 
2022-07-06 2:57:05 PM  
Anyone buying Chinese products over the last 4 decades knows the quality has improved and is still improving.

The question is why Taiwan, China should stay "in China" and not try to pull a Russia.
I do not see the gains China would make in destroying Taiwan, as the semiconductor facilities would cease to exist during the invasion, I suppose the Chinese desire to invade Taiwan is "personal", not strategic.
 
2022-07-06 2:57:22 PM  

Outshined_One: Karma Chameleon: Worry about y'all qaeda instead. They live next door, have guns, and are getting more and more brazen in their nazism.

I really hate the "we can't do more than one thing at a time!" trolling that permeates PolTab's links and denizens sometimes.

God forbid anyone in this country of walks and chews gum at the same time.


Of course we can do more than one thing at once. But why does one of those things always have to be trying to control what the rest of the world does when our own house is in disorder?
 
2022-07-06 2:57:29 PM  

Meatsim1: cherryl taggart: Good thing none of our politicians are married to any Chinese Nationals, isn't it Mitch?

Elaine Chao is from Taiwan, she just has a lot of business interests in mainland China


Damn, doesn't that make her a double quisling?
 
2022-07-06 2:58:21 PM  
FTA:

"The FBI's Wray warned that if China was to forcibly take Taiwan it would "represent one of the most horrific business disruptions the world has ever seen".

Yes, because the potential for China to take Taiwan and the "business disruptions" it could cause are soooo much worse than Russian oligarchs funding global anti-democratic efforts including the propagation of disinformation and homegrown white ethno-nationalism.

fark off, Wray. Tell us how bad China is after you've publicly flogged your boss Garland for the perception of slow-walking J6, et al.
 
2022-07-06 2:59:02 PM  

Jesterling: austerity101: So what are we going to do? Nothing? I'm assuming nothing.


I'm preparing a petition right now!


And I'll go shiatpost on facebook.

Team.....GO!
 
2022-07-06 2:59:04 PM  
FTFA: Wray said China was drawing "all sorts of lessons" from the conflict in Ukraine. This included trying to insulate themselves from any future sanctions of the type that have hit Russia. If China did invade Taiwan, the economic disruption would be much greater than that seen this year, he said, with western investments in China becoming "hostages" and supply chains disrupted.

Related:

American Factories Are Making Stuff Again as CEOs Take Production Out of China

Rattled by the most recent wave of strict Covid lockdowns in China, the long-time manufacturing hub of choice for multinationals, CEOs have been highlighting plans to relocate production -- using the buzzwords onshoring, reshoring or nearshoring -- at a greater clip this year than they even did in the first six months of the pandemic, according to a review of earnings call and conference presentations transcribed by Bloomberg. (Compared to pre-pandemic periods, these references are up over 1,000%.)

Coming Home
More importantly, there are concrete signs that many of them are acting on these plans.

The construction of new manufacturing facilities in the US has soared 116% over the past year, dwarfing the 10% gain on all building projects combined, according to Dodge Construction Network. There are massive chip factories going up in Phoenix: Intel is building two just outside the city; Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing is constructing one in it. And aluminum and steel plants that are being erected all across the south: in Bay Minette, Alabama (Novelis); in Osceola, Arkansas (US Steel); and in Brandenburg, Kentucky (Nucor). Up near Buffalo, all this new semiconductor and steel output is fueling orders for air compressors that will be cranked out at an Ingersoll Rand plant that had been shuttered for years.

Scores of smaller companies are making similar moves, according to Richard Branch, the chief economist at Dodge. Not all are examples of reshoring. Some are designed to expand capacity. But they all point to the same thing -- a major re-assessment of supply chains in the wake of port bottlenecks, parts shortages and skyrocketing shipping costs that have wreaked havoc on corporate budgets in the US and across the globe.
 
2022-07-06 2:59:04 PM  
The GOP demonstrated that China was no longer dependent upon the US for anything.  The leadership had long suspected this was true, and had laid groundwork for confirmation.  We are seeing the results of that preparation now.  They have proxies everywhere, and control of all important resources.
 
2022-07-06 3:00:45 PM  
BBC saying it today? Dead cat strategy?
 
2022-07-06 3:01:13 PM  

severedtoe: china's got its own problems.  They are sitting on a demographic bomb that is already starting to manifest.


As has been demonstrated so clearly in recent years, demographics is not destiny.  Demographics were supposed to render Russia completely invalid.  Instead they are tearing Ukraine down, piece by piece, little by little.  Demographics were supposed to make Texas a bastion for liberal democracy.  Instead it is the tip of the spear for Christian Nationalism.
 
2022-07-06 3:02:25 PM  

SpectroBoy: Not cool story bro.

Back a while I worked for a company doing business in China. Our executives visited there a f ew times. Then they were informed that the Chinese had hacked their phone, used them to eavesdrop on meetings, and even as a gateway to the corporate network(s).

We ended up pulling out 100% our business including manufacturing capacity.

Still stands as a good decision.


You're not supposed to bring your real phone to China ever. Burner phone and a get past the great firewall simm, that was China travel 101. Morans. Of course they were running a company.

/google maps in china is very interesting.
 
2022-07-06 3:02:59 PM  
Is making TVs and getting rich not enough?
 
2022-07-06 3:03:19 PM  
30 years ago, my wife worked in a high-tech industry that will remain nameless and they were licensing their technology to Chinese and South Korean firms.  On numerous occasions, she caught Chinese nationals visiting on business sneaking off and rifling through files.  She reported them and to her knowledge nothing was done about it.

I always questioned the practice of licensing technology to China.  It's like letting Pandora out of the box.  There's no putting it back in and they will dominate your industry in a matter of years.  30 years later and the original company is long gone and the husk of it was absorbed by a European competitor.  In hindsight, I don't even think they were interested in the technology they were licensing, as a different technology that the company had sole possession of through decades of research and refinement was of far more use to China based on their resources and consumption patterns.
 
2022-07-06 3:03:25 PM  
So wait, you're saying the chinese have been stealing technology? No wai...
 
2022-07-06 3:03:42 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: FTFA: Wray said China was drawing "all sorts of lessons" from the conflict in Ukraine. This included trying to insulate themselves from any future sanctions of the type that have hit Russia. If China did invade Taiwan, the economic disruption would be much greater than that seen this year, he said, with western investments in China becoming "hostages" and supply chains disrupted.

Related:

American Factories Are Making Stuff Again as CEOs Take Production Out of China

Rattled by the most recent wave of strict Covid lockdowns in China, the long-time manufacturing hub of choice for multinationals, CEOs have been highlighting plans to relocate production -- using the buzzwords onshoring, reshoring or nearshoring -- at a greater clip this year than they even did in the first six months of the pandemic, according to a review of earnings call and conference presentations transcribed by Bloomberg. (Compared to pre-pandemic periods, these references are up over 1,000%.)

Coming Home
More importantly, there are concrete signs that many of them are acting on these plans.

The construction of new manufacturing facilities in the US has soared 116% over the past year, dwarfing the 10% gain on all building projects combined, according to Dodge Construction Network. There are massive chip factories going up in Phoenix: Intel is building two just outside the city; Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing is constructing one in it. And aluminum and steel plants that are being erected all across the south: in Bay Minette, Alabama (Novelis); in Osceola, Arkansas (US Steel); and in Brandenburg, Kentucky (Nucor). Up near Buffalo, all this new semiconductor and steel output is fueling orders for air compressors that will be cranked out at an Ingersoll Rand plant that had been shuttered for years.

Scores of smaller companies are making similar moves, according to Richard Branch, the chief economist at Dodge. Not all are examples of reshoring. Some are designed to expand capacity. But they all ...


Makes sense, the US was/is a massive economic and manufacturing powerhouse because it doesn't need to import very many raw materials for manufacturing because pretty much all the raw materials you need are here. It was just more economically viable to import materials and outsource manufacturing for the past 40 years.

We will need to do a huge update/upgrade to our transportation infrastructure if we are going to go back to widespread manufacturing however.
 
2022-07-06 3:04:15 PM  
Like I've always said...Russia is a regional threat. China is a global threat.

We ignore Chinese imperialism at our peril. While we've been fully distracted with wars for oil over the last 20+ years they have been building the connections and infrastructure with much of the world to assume the leadership role the USA has all but abandoned.
 
2022-07-06 3:04:44 PM  
Maybe us Americans can use our guns to stop China!

Oh, wait, no. Americans only use their guns on other Americans.
 
2022-07-06 3:05:25 PM  
hey gop i found some commies for ya
 
2022-07-06 3:05:41 PM  

Palined Parenthood: hey gop i found some commies for ya


i mean like the real kind
 
2022-07-06 3:06:00 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: The construction of new manufacturing facilities in the US has soared 116% over the past year, dwarfing the 10% gain on all building projects combined, according to Dodge Construction Network.


Expressing this as percentages is spouting weasel words.

Just give me the actual numbers and let me experience by own emotions
 
2022-07-06 3:07:26 PM  

Halfabee64: 30 years ago, my wife worked in a high-tech industry that will remain nameless and they were licensing their technology to Chinese and South Korean firms.  On numerous occasions, she caught Chinese nationals visiting on business sneaking off and rifling through files.  She reported them and to her knowledge nothing was done about it.

I always questioned the practice of licensing technology to China.  It's like letting Pandora out of the box. There's no putting it back in and they will dominate your industry in a matter of years.  30 years later and the original company is long gone and the husk of it was absorbed by a European competitor.  In hindsight, I don't even think they were interested in the technology they were licensing, as a different technology that the company had sole possession of through decades of research and refinement was of far more use to China based on their resources and consumption patterns.


Actually, the caretaker of the box was named Pandora. When she opened it out of curiosity, the evils held within spilled out into the world. Also, it was originally known as a jar but over time turned into a box.

/the more you know!
 
2022-07-06 3:08:43 PM  

chewd: FBI director Christopher Wray said China was the "biggest long-term threat to our economic and national security" and had interfered in politics, including recent elections.

The FBI's Wray warned that if China was to forcibly take Taiwan it would "represent one of the most horrific business disruptions the world has ever seen".

He said it posed "an even more serious threat to western businesses than even many sophisticated businesspeople realised".


Oh no... our tax-dodging businesses need defending... quick! pour all our tax money into defending our tax-dodging business people before its too late to save our tax-dodging big businesses.


Sorta. You think you can't find anything in store shelves now? Wait until we get in to an evacuation and immolation of assets in Taiwan when Chinese owned businesses that make up a huge chunk of our agricultural production from soy and grains to meat packing and distribution are suddenly upended.

Suddenly there's no manufacturing base to boost because we have no manufactured goods. And everything from chips to plastics to wiring to circuit boards are in short supply.

Then everything becomes a high value commodity.

It's not just preserving rich people profits. It's preserving our economy.

The good thing is Chinas economy is resting on poorly made stilts and cheap props. And anything they do to us, is going to cause massive hemorrhaging for them.
 
Displayed 50 of 126 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking




On Twitter


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.