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2022-07-06 8:51:43 AM  
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2022-07-06 9:11:29 AM  
Want a weapon that's not bolt action and holds more than five rounds?
Give up one weekend a month and two weeks a year.
That's an originalist view.
 
2022-07-06 9:17:28 AM  
Amen
 
2022-07-06 9:18:50 AM  
It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.
 
2022-07-06 9:40:12 AM  

EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.


I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers
 
2022-07-06 10:20:27 AM  

dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers


Daaaaaaayuuuuuuuum girl.
 
2022-07-06 10:22:01 AM  

EatHam: And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.


There isn't an argument in the Bible against abortion, unless abortion falls under "thou shalt not kill/murder", which as we all know is highly, highly negotiable.
 
2022-07-06 10:22:28 AM  

dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers


Franklin would definitely try to bang a modern dishwasher.
 
2022-07-06 10:22:44 AM  

cretinbob: Want a weapon that's not bolt action and holds more than five rounds?
Give up one weekend a month and two weeks a year.
That's an originalist view.


yeah I'd be A-ok with civilians only having access to bolt action rifles and revolvers, seems a reasonable compromise
 
2022-07-06 10:23:54 AM  

bthom37: dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers

Franklin would definitely try to bang a modern dishwasher.


Wet Hot American Scrubber
 
2022-07-06 10:24:00 AM  

cretinbob: Want a weapon that's not bolt action and holds more than five rounds?
Give up one weekend a month and two weeks a year.
That's an originalist view.


Yep.  John Adams spells it out very clearly in the Federalist Papers.
 
2022-07-06 10:25:03 AM  

bthom37: dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers

Franklin would definitely try to bang a modern dishwasher.


Was it a French dishwasher?
 
2022-07-06 10:25:46 AM  
He just glossed right over 'the people' part
 
2022-07-06 10:25:48 AM  
All that matters is what 5 men in robes say. Even what the Constitution says doesn't matter. Look at the 15th amendment, it promised voting rights would be protected regardless of race. Yet the SCOTUS allowed blacks to be disenfranchised for a century after it passes despite the obvious intent of the people who wrote it.

So who farking cares about the law, or the Constitution, all you need is 5 people who will read it in a certain way
 
2022-07-06 10:26:16 AM  
Ban all assault weapons
Ban all extended magazines
Implement a country-wide buy-back program
You want a gun?  You can have a shotgun or bolt-action rifle, that's it, and you have to get licensed even to have one of those.

There, problem solved.

/not really
//rain the funnies down on me 2A ammosexuals
 
2022-07-06 10:26:54 AM  

Mugato: EatHam: And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.

There isn't an argument in the Bible against abortion, unless abortion falls under "thou shalt not kill/murder", which as we all know is highly, highly negotiable.


On the contrary, in the Old Testament, it says the punishment for murder is death and the punishment for causing a woman to lose a fetus is not death.  Therefore abortion is not murder.

The problem is Christians don't try to live in the world as Christ taught, they pick vanity fights to feel righteous about themselves and what they imagine the Bible to be, instead of reading the thing.
 
2022-07-06 10:27:03 AM  

Fart_Machine: bthom37: dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers

Franklin would definitely try to bang a modern dishwasher.

Was it a French dishwasher?


No, but it could look like one with $20 worth of items from Spenser's.
 
2022-07-06 10:27:49 AM  

Mugato: EatHam: And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.

There isn't an argument in the Bible against abortion, unless abortion falls under "thou shalt not kill/murder", which as we all know is highly, highly negotiable.


That argument is negated by the biblical view that life begins at the first breath, or something to that effect.
 
2022-07-06 10:28:54 AM  

cretinbob: Want a weapon that's not bolt action and holds more than five rounds?
Give up one weekend a month and two weeks a year.
That's an originalist view.


Do we get to *keep* that fun bonus if we retire from said bullshiat
 
2022-07-06 10:29:15 AM  

dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers


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2022-07-06 10:29:49 AM  

EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.


The kind of weapons they had just were not in any way comparable to a modern automatic weapon. It's so far ahead of their technology, the idea that they wanted this weapon in the hands of the people is just ludicrous. They stood in line in fields to fight! That would end rather quickly if either side was spraying bullets from any kind of modern assault weapon.

Should we be able to have our own personal nukes too? I use mine for removing tree stumps and keeping human life out of areas for thousands of years, as is my god given right under the second amendment!
 
2022-07-06 10:30:00 AM  
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2022-07-06 10:30:06 AM  
2A was written when the country literally couldn't afford a standing military, and 2A was their solution. That's not the case anymore.

2A was written at a time when people had reasonably matched weaponry against any authoritarian force. That's not even remotely close to reality today.

2A was written with the idea that the citizens would have to fight off an invading army. The ONLY excuse 2A nuts use is basic home protection against street thugs... not stated in constitution.

The only purpose 2A serves anymore is to allow small dick pricks to shoot up schools. Other than that, it's both unnecessary AND useless, no matter how you twist the context.
 
2022-07-06 10:32:19 AM  
.......and?
 
2022-07-06 10:32:28 AM  

serfdood: Mugato: EatHam: And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.

There isn't an argument in the Bible against abortion, unless abortion falls under "thou shalt not kill/murder", which as we all know is highly, highly negotiable.

That argument is negated by the biblical view that life begins at the first breath, or something to that effect.


Correct, it would seem.

This needs to be incorporated into the messaging.  It's astounding to me that it's not.
 
2022-07-06 10:32:56 AM  
How come his list of "developed nations" isn't the G20?

He wouldn't be cherry picking his data, would he?
 
2022-07-06 10:33:20 AM  

dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers


I want there to be a Fark Comment of the Year with voting open to the public, just so I could vote for this.
 
2022-07-06 10:33:23 AM  

Mugato: There isn't an argument in the Bible against abortion


The only thing the Bible says about abortion is how to perform one.
 
2022-07-06 10:34:35 AM  
Naturally, the Weeners I see after this thing that he should've just linked to a blog or something said, "You forgot 'shall not be infringed'".

There's no talking to these people. Ever. Why are we bothering? The DNC keeps getting shellacked because they desperately want these idiots on their side and it's never going to happen. So stop it.
 
2022-07-06 10:34:49 AM  
The 2nd amrndment was part of the desire for a militia system instead of a standing military because the Founders thought standing armies were oppressive. However, history has shown that our militias were total dogshiat for national defense and we needed a standing army if we didn't want to keep getting wrecked by random bandit groups. Without that context the 2nd Amendment is total gibberish. If you really wanted to defend the 2nd Amendment and go back to the Founders wishes you would have to advocate for the end of the US military and to be a gun owner you would need to be trained servant of your state. Nobody does, because that's dumb. So everyone who says they are a 2nd Amendment originalist is full of shiat.
 
2022-07-06 10:35:33 AM  
You get a bolt action rifle for hunting.  If you miss, get better.
You get a revolver for home defense.  If you have more than 6 people invading your home, get 2 revolvers.
You get a shotgun because they're awesome.  You're welcome.
 
2022-07-06 10:35:47 AM  

dammit just give me a login: EatHam: It's a well-written and compelling thread that makes good sense.  And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.  All of the Founders apart from maybe Ben Franklin would be flabbergasted by a goddamn dishwasher, so they can sit this argument out.

I think a few of the Founding Father's were banging their dishwashers


Lol
 
2022-07-06 10:36:29 AM  
An intelligent, well thought out argument.


The people who need to read that won't understand more than about 3 words.  But I applaud you for writing it all down 👍
 
2022-07-06 10:36:52 AM  
Because Twitter threads are shiatter threads:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1544312189967896579.html
 
2022-07-06 10:37:18 AM  
Originalism is liike biblical literalism. Both are scams, code words for pushing a peculiar view in order to empower a certain class and disempower you.
 
2022-07-06 10:38:11 AM  

g.fro: How come his list of "developed nations" isn't the G20?

He wouldn't be cherry picking his data, would he?


What nation would you like included that doesn't make America look like a statistical outlier?
 
2022-07-06 10:38:27 AM  

Mugato: EatHam: And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.

There isn't an argument in the Bible against abortion, unless abortion falls under "thou shalt not kill/murder", which as we all know is highly, highly negotiable.


The Bible gives instructions on how to abort babies in the Old Testament. So the argument is complete and utter bullshiat from the start.
 
2022-07-06 10:38:32 AM  

TaskForce26: You get a revolver for home defense. If you have more than 6 people invading your home, get 2 revolvers.


If you have more than 6 people invading your home, you're eventually going to get what's coming to you anyway.
 
2022-07-06 10:39:54 AM  
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2022-07-06 10:40:17 AM  

odinsposse: The 2nd amrndment was part of the desire for a militia system instead of a standing military because the Founders thought standing armies were oppressive. However, history has shown that our militias were total dogshiat for national defense and we needed a standing army if we didn't want to keep getting wrecked by random bandit groups. Without that context the 2nd Amendment is total gibberish. If you really wanted to defend the 2nd Amendment and go back to the Founders wishes you would have to advocate for the end of the US military and to be a gun owner you would need to be trained servant of your state. Nobody does, because that's dumb. So everyone who says they are a 2nd Amendment originalist is full of shiat.


Every time I drive past Bladensburg I remember that one time the militia folded like a cheap suit, tucked tail and ran back to DC to go pull a Dolly Madison. The only ones who didn't quit at the first sign of battle? A bunch of farking sailors and marines from the Navy Yard who dragged naval cannon to a meadow.
Militias were useless in 1814 and time has not improved them.
 
2022-07-06 10:41:04 AM  
This guy's "analysis" is as sound as MTG's tweet yesterday.

Maybe you anti-gunners would have some more credibility if you didn't make stuff up.
 
2022-07-06 10:41:12 AM  
Good thing I have a gun to fight off the invading army or dictator that has this firepower at their disposal.
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2022-07-06 10:41:53 AM  
When lawyers get together to practice medicine the best lawyers are called the supreme court.  Whether it's about medical procedures on women or the management of fear they have a prescription for that.

The current interpretation of A2 is to promote fear.  It's apparently part of the "pursuit of happiness."  It's the kind of happiness that most American's feel when they watch A Christmas Story and the Red Ryder Daisy BB gun finally materializes and gets into Ralphie's hands, and we watch a kid live out his dream of protecting his family in the wild west that is Ohio -- a kid whose friend would stick his tongue to a frozen pole in the playground.

The A2 is meant to be read as a prescription, in lieu of mental health treatment or just plain growing up.  It's all in a day's work for Juris Doctor.
 
2022-07-06 10:42:10 AM  
They just better not take away my right to keep and arm bears. That's when it gets real.
 
2022-07-06 10:42:13 AM  

odinsposse: The 2nd amrndment was part of the desire for a militia system instead of a standing military because the Founders thought standing armies were oppressive. However, history has shown that our militias were total dogshiat for national defense and we needed a standing army if we didn't want to keep getting wrecked by random bandit groups. Without that context the 2nd Amendment is total gibberish. If you really wanted to defend the 2nd Amendment and go back to the Founders wishes you would have to advocate for the end of the US military and to be a gun owner you would need to be trained servant of your state. Nobody does, because that's dumb. So everyone who says they are a 2nd Amendment originalist is full of shiat.


This is why we keep having to pass spending bills for the military. Because it wasn't meant to be permanent. You fund the militia/army while needed. Then when the conflict is over, everyone goes home, and the funding automatically expires.

$700b+ every year non-stop is not "funding freedom". It's "building and oppressive force the likes of which would have terrified the founding fathers in every conceivable way."
 
2022-07-06 10:43:00 AM  
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2022-07-06 10:43:06 AM  

cretinbob: Want a weapon that's not bolt action and holds more than five rounds?
Give up one weekend a month and two weeks a year.
That's an originalist view.


No, it's really not.
 
2022-07-06 10:43:17 AM  
The 2nd Amendment suggests that all these state laws giving people the right to open carry without any training whatsoever (like here in Ohio) might be unconstitutional if you read the "well regulated" part as part of the Constitution. "No regulations at all" would be the complete opposite of what it means. Do the gun people not find that disregard of the 2nd Amendment's language offensive?

I'm OK with people having guns but there needs to be some oversight and training, some kind of, oh, I don't know, regulation. Classes of some kind, proficiency tests, licensing, periodic renewals of that license, maybe registration and insurance on the guns themselves. I don't see any of that being at odds with the "shall not be infringed" part. Nothing says you can't have a gun, it just says you need to show the rest of us that you're going to use it responsibly and take responsibility when/if things go awry.
 
2022-07-06 10:44:30 AM  

Marshal Tito: odinsposse: The 2nd amrndment was part of the desire for a militia system instead of a standing military because the Founders thought standing armies were oppressive. However, history has shown that our militias were total dogshiat for national defense and we needed a standing army if we didn't want to keep getting wrecked by random bandit groups. Without that context the 2nd Amendment is total gibberish. If you really wanted to defend the 2nd Amendment and go back to the Founders wishes you would have to advocate for the end of the US military and to be a gun owner you would need to be trained servant of your state. Nobody does, because that's dumb. So everyone who says they are a 2nd Amendment originalist is full of shiat.

Every time I drive past Bladensburg I remember that one time the militia folded like a cheap suit, tucked tail and ran back to DC to go pull a Dolly Madison. The only ones who didn't quit at the first sign of battle? A bunch of farking sailors and marines from the Navy Yard who dragged naval cannon to a meadow.
Militias were useless in 1814 and time has not improved them.


They were made to deal with slave rebellions and native americans. Against regulars, they break like McDonald Happy Meal Toys.
 
2022-07-06 10:45:03 AM  

Mugato: EatHam: And, much like the Biblical argument against abortion, I don't give a single shiat about it, and it doesn't farking matter.

There isn't an argument in the Bible against abortion, unless abortion falls under "thou shalt not kill/murder", which as we all know is highly, highly negotiable.


Leviticus says abortion is not murder.
Genesis says life begins at breath.
 
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