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2022-07-06 9:07:58 AM  
If I really applied myself, instead of reading Fark, I could probably squeeze what I typically do in a week into three days.
 
2022-07-06 9:09:06 AM  
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2022-07-06 9:19:40 AM  
If your a parent working around day care schedules or rushing to get your kids to after school a activities, 10 hour workdays could be hard to pull off.
 
hej
2022-07-06 9:23:23 AM  
So what's the other 90%, subhole?
 
2022-07-06 9:23:51 AM  
I have 4 day weeks (regular hours) in the summer
 
2022-07-06 9:25:13 AM  
I've done 4X10 a few times. It takes a couple of weeks to get used to it, but it isn't terrible.

/ WFH is still better.
 
2022-07-06 9:29:28 AM  

Another Government Employee: I've done 4X10 a few times. It takes a couple of weeks to get used to it, but it isn't terrible.

/ WFH is still better.


4x10 is great if you can get it as a 3 day weekend. You really feel recharged at the end of the weekend and have all your stuff like laundry taken care of. You can do all your appointments and whatnot on your weekday off and still have a whole weekend.

You get used to the longer days, like you said, and it's a boon if you have any kind of commute as it takes one day off the table.
 
2022-07-06 9:30:50 AM  
When NPR called a manufacturing plant in the northeast that makes steel products, a floor manager who answered the phone said he didn't have time to grab a supervisor to speak on the record. Before hanging up, he said the plant was so slammed because of supply chain shortages and backlogged orders, that there's no way they could make a four-day workweek happen.

And, as we learned during Covid, this is the bottom line.  The more time you lonely Farkers spend at home, the more time the rest of us will have to spend manufacturing and delivering dildos to you.
 
2022-07-06 9:35:15 AM  

On-Farkin-On: If I really applied myself, instead of reading Fark, I could probably squeeze what I typically do in a week into three days.


Honestly most people have about 30 productive "job" hours every week. That's about what we can process, but it may be less for certain manual labor jobs due to inherent physical stresses breaking down the body.
 
2022-07-06 9:35:25 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: If your a parent working around day care schedules or rushing to get your kids to after school a activities, 10 hour workdays could be hard to pull off.


There's lots of ways to deal with that but I understand not everyone has those available.  But having that Friday off is a big deal.  It would at least be nice to have the option.  And as someone mentioned, WFH would be much better.

Most, or at least many, places treat professional jobs the same as an hourly position cranking out widgets.
 
2022-07-06 9:36:17 AM  

Naido: When NPR called a manufacturing plant in the northeast that makes steel products, a floor manager who answered the phone said he didn't have time to grab a supervisor to speak on the record. Before hanging up, he said the plant was so slammed because of supply chain shortages and backlogged orders, that there's no way they could make a four-day workweek happen.

And, as we learned during Covid, this is the bottom line.  The more time you lonely Farkers spend at home, the more time the rest of us will have to spend manufacturing and delivering dildos to you.


While this is a slightly humorous response, there are diminishing returns when you're making people work 50+ hours a week.
 
2022-07-06 9:40:04 AM  
Years ago, due to a vacation scheduling issue, i wound up with 6 independent days that I couldn't do as a block.

So I took Wednesdays off for a month. It made the week so much better. It felt like I had 2 day work weeks.
 
2022-07-06 9:41:06 AM  
The idea for 4 day workweeks is not 4x10, even in TFA. It's 4x8, for the same pay as a 40 hour workweek.

The big problem is not that our work is spread over too many days, it's that workers have enjoyed virtually none of the massive productivity gains in the last 40+ years. I'd be cool with wages increasing 25% instead, but fewer hours worked is probably a better option in several ways.
 
2022-07-06 9:52:10 AM  
When I worked in manufacturing they had a 4x10 shift that ran Sunday to Wednesday. It was great. I was a kid then (20s) so it was just "3 day weekend woo!" Even better was switching from that back to a M-F 5x8, 4 day weekend!

If I could do that now (4 day workweek, not necessarily Sun-Wed) it'd be perfect. 1 day for household chores (groceries, anything else that involves leaving the house, prepping food for the week), 1 day hobbies, 1 day for nothing but mental/spiritual recharging (aka couch meet butt).
 
2022-07-06 10:00:26 AM  

hej: So what's the other 90%, subhole?


Neoliberal think tanks, trusts, billionaire funded non profits and I think some orgs related to healthcare.
 
2022-07-06 10:06:24 AM  
They're right. Some people might prefer to work four five-day weeks in a row and then take a week off.
 
2022-07-06 10:35:04 AM  
Zero-day is definitely better, if you can pull it off.
 
2022-07-06 10:44:20 AM  
The vast majority of Los Alamos National Labs works 4/10 schedule.

I'm on 9/80 schedule, and a handful of people are 5/8. But, yeah. I think over 90% of the staff is 4/10 if you don't include the guards.
 
2022-07-06 10:52:32 AM  
 

inglixthemad: Naido: When NPR called a manufacturing plant in the northeast that makes steel products, a floor manager who answered the phone said he didn't have time to grab a supervisor to speak on the record. Before hanging up, he said the plant was so slammed because of supply chain shortages and backlogged orders, that there's no way they could make a four-day workweek happen.
And, as we learned during Covid, this is the bottom line.  The more time you lonely Farkers spend at home, the more time the rest of us will have to spend manufacturing and delivering dildos to you.
While this is a slightly humorous response, there are diminishing returns when you're making people work 50+ hours a week.


There are also diminishing returns for working until the planet burns down, but nobody seems to give a shiat about that.  Everyone wants to work less--so they have more time to consume.  Not because they give a fark about anything else.  Nobody in this thread is talking about working less, so that we can save more.  It doesn't even  compute, in America.  It's only about us having more time for US--to consume.

so selfish to the end, I"m sure.  We started like that, and we'll put the blinders on and keep right on doing it, until our products can't physically be delivered to us, because the world has finally died of abuse.
I don't give a fark how much you work, more than likely you live off of "corporate sponsors" too, so you're not objective.  Your work is meaningful and good for us all!
Almost none of it is.  It's just more farking advertising.  Get over yourselves.
 
2022-07-06 11:07:29 AM  

inglixthemad: Naido: When NPR called a manufacturing plant in the northeast that makes steel products, a floor manager who answered the phone said he didn't have time to grab a supervisor to speak on the record. Before hanging up, he said the plant was so slammed because of supply chain shortages and backlogged orders, that there's no way they could make a four-day workweek happen.

And, as we learned during Covid, this is the bottom line.  The more time you lonely Farkers spend at home, the more time the rest of us will have to spend manufacturing and delivering dildos to you.

While this is a slightly humorous response, there are diminishing returns when you're making people work 50+ hours a week.


There was a time I was working seven day weeks. I'd hit 40 by Wednesday. Never again.
 
2022-07-06 11:16:32 AM  

hej: So what's the other 90%, subhole?


Uncritical interviews with fascists, in order not to be called "liberal".
 
2022-07-06 12:02:53 PM  

gunther_bumpass: inglixthemad: Naido: When NPR called a manufacturing plant in the northeast that makes steel products, a floor manager who answered the phone said he didn't have time to grab a supervisor to speak on the record. Before hanging up, he said the plant was so slammed because of supply chain shortages and backlogged orders, that there's no way they could make a four-day workweek happen.

And, as we learned during Covid, this is the bottom line.  The more time you lonely Farkers spend at home, the more time the rest of us will have to spend manufacturing and delivering dildos to you.

While this is a slightly humorous response, there are diminishing returns when you're making people work 50+ hours a week.

There was a time I was working seven day weeks. I'd hit 40 by Wednesday. Never again.


Same. I was working on a cruise ship as a photographer/videographer. Fun as hell to go to all of those exotic locations and film them, tiring as hell to work 80-hour weeks with no days off. Depending on if riding the tour buses to the tours counted as working or not, I was actually going over the legal limit of how many hours I was supposed to be working, because too many hours might mean I was too exhausted to function in a ship emergency. But my supervisor was confused about the purpose of me entering my hours, so I didn't know I was breaking the rules until my contract was almost up.
 
2022-07-06 12:13:43 PM  

Another Government Employee: I've done 4X10 a few times. It takes a couple of weeks to get used to it, but it isn't terrible.

/ WFH is still better.


With that in mind, 4 12s is even better.  4 day weekends are great
 
2022-07-06 1:06:20 PM  

cryinoutloud: inglixthemad: Naido: When NPR called a manufacturing plant in the northeast that makes steel products, a floor manager who answered the phone said he didn't have time to grab a supervisor to speak on the record. Before hanging up, he said the plant was so slammed because of supply chain shortages and backlogged orders, that there's no way they could make a four-day workweek happen.
And, as we learned during Covid, this is the bottom line.  The more time you lonely Farkers spend at home, the more time the rest of us will have to spend manufacturing and delivering dildos to you.
While this is a slightly humorous response, there are diminishing returns when you're making people work 50+ hours a week.

There are also diminishing returns for working until the planet burns down, but nobody seems to give a shiat about that.  Everyone wants to work less--so they have more time to consume.  Not because they give a fark about anything else.  Nobody in this thread is talking about working less, so that we can save more.  It doesn't even  compute, in America.  It's only about us having more time for US--to consume.

so selfish to the end, I"m sure.  We started like that, and we'll put the blinders on and keep right on doing it, until our products can't physically be delivered to us, because the world has finally died of abuse.
I don't give a fark how much you work, more than likely you live off of "corporate sponsors" too, so you're not objective.  Your work is meaningful and good for us all!
Almost none of it is.  It's just more farking advertising.  Get over yourselves.


Why don't people just buy more money?
 
2022-07-06 1:06:47 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: hej: So what's the other 90%, subhole?

Uncritical interviews with fascists, in order not to be called "liberal".


Have you listened to NPR in the last few years?
 
2022-07-06 1:51:19 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: The idea for 4 day workweeks is not 4x10, even in TFA. It's 4x8, for the same pay as a 40 hour workweek.

The big problem is not that our work is spread over too many days, it's that workers have enjoyed virtually none of the massive productivity gains in the last 40+ years. I'd be cool with wages increasing 25% instead, but fewer hours worked is probably a better option in several ways.


And the boomers wonder why "nobody wants to work" or these young kids are so "entitled". Paying more than 30% of your gross in rent was considered a financial sin for decades.  Now in most cities the bottom barrel rents for a 1 bedroom anywhere close to your work using those guidelines is impossible for most people in their 20s.

Plus minimal social safety nets (mostly gutted in the 90s) and tons of debt just for the right to work a non retail job (who are spending ridiculous amounts of their paycheck for rent) and these kids have no idea the evils of socialism (which they interchangeablely view with communism because they've been brainwashed for decades)

Then they normalize it as the young always hate the old.  Nah not like this.  Like I have no hate for the silent generation (or genx, or gen z).  They had their own issues (like all generations and often a product of the time they inhibit) and cared a lot about appearances and things like that, but they didn't single handedly move through the timeline of this country like locusts.  Ignorant ones at that.  Their parents called them the me generation and nothing has changed.
 
2022-07-06 4:22:26 PM  

Fireproof: gunther_bumpass: inglixthemad: Naido: When NPR called a manufacturing plant in the northeast that makes steel products, a floor manager who answered the phone said he didn't have time to grab a supervisor to speak on the record. Before hanging up, he said the plant was so slammed because of supply chain shortages and backlogged orders, that there's no way they could make a four-day workweek happen.

And, as we learned during Covid, this is the bottom line.  The more time you lonely Farkers spend at home, the more time the rest of us will have to spend manufacturing and delivering dildos to you.

While this is a slightly humorous response, there are diminishing returns when you're making people work 50+ hours a week.

There was a time I was working seven day weeks. I'd hit 40 by Wednesday. Never again.

Same. I was working on a cruise ship as a photographer/videographer. Fun as hell to go to all of those exotic locations and film them, tiring as hell to work 80-hour weeks with no days off. Depending on if riding the tour buses to the tours counted as working or not, I was actually going over the legal limit of how many hours I was supposed to be working, because too many hours might mean I was too exhausted to function in a ship emergency. But my supervisor was confused about the purpose of me entering my hours, so I didn't know I was breaking the rules until my contract was almost up.


And... AND the farkwits I worked with decided that they could get a better deal not being in a union (they didn't) so overtime magically resets on Sunday. Fark you, work 40 days in a row. Managers have parties to attend.
 
2022-07-06 11:33:52 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: If your a parent working around day care schedules or rushing to get your kids to after school a activities, 10 hour workdays could be hard to pull off.


And if you're not a parent and have to constantly cover for breeders because little billy has a booboo, being at work one day less would probably be amazing
 
2022-07-07 6:25:49 AM  
Discussions about a 4 day workweek are definitely "salaried office drone" kind of chatter, particularly if the paradigm is 40 hours of compensation for 32 hours of work. "I'll just be more productive in my 32 hours!  Hell, I'm dicking around most of the time anyway!  I browse Fark at my desk half the time anyway! LOL!"

There's no reason 40 hours (or 42 in standard Panamas)* is sacrosanct, but how we fill jobs that require coverage across the clock has to be solved.  First Responders, security, hospital staff, etc. have to have 24/7 coverage.  Manufacturing and Retail also require extensive coverage, but could adapt more easily than the previously mentioned through greater mechanization or robotization.

These are already career fields that are stressed with staffing shortages.  If other occupations or professions become more attractive with shorter hours, they become more difficult to fill.  Hiring more people?  That costs money.  Pay more to these jobs across the board to attract more workers and you're creating inflation and often stressing local/state coffers - does the money come from taxes or cuts to other programs, and how do you get that particular pill swallowed?  Even if you add part timers to fill the gaps (with people using that extra 8 hours free from other jobs) that still increases payroll.

No trite "We can just defend the popo or slash the DOD or tax the billionaires."  These are all third rails to some extent... you still have to get these things enacted.  All it takes is a wave of crime (real or perceived) or an international incident of aggression (nobody whines about defense contracts for arms when they're being supplied to Ukrainians) to make them untenable. Now increase payroll costs in a period with inflation and you have a real battle. Now think of supply constrictions: even just housing,  decreasing homebuilder labor by 20%, shipment of home building supplies, etc.  Yes, we office folk could easily condense our activities, but do we really want to wave a sign saying "we have 20% excess staffing!" So eagerly?

Noble effort for sure... but LOTS of shiat to figure out to make it work.  There's a reason these are pilot programs being tested very cautiously.  Waving a wand and saying "40 hours are now 32!" Is just an attempt at chaos.

*If you aren't familiar, Panamas run three on, two off, two on, three off two on two off, with 12 hour shifts, giving you a 60 hr workweek alternating with a 24 hr workweek for an average of 42.  Do it with two daily 12 hour shifts, and have A teams and B teams on each, and you have 24/7 coverage.
 
2022-07-07 8:30:35 AM  
That's right, all news that you don't like is definitely a conspiracy.
 
2022-07-07 9:36:09 PM  

Izunbacol: Discussions about a 4 day workweek are definitely "salaried office drone" kind of chatter, particularly if the paradigm is 40 hours of compensation for 32 hours of work. "I'll just be more productive in my 32 hours!  Hell, I'm dicking around most of the time anyway!  I browse Fark at my desk half the time anyway! LOL!"

There's no reason 40 hours (or 42 in standard Panamas)* is sacrosanct, but how we fill jobs that require coverage across the clock has to be solved.  First Responders, security, hospital staff, etc. have to have 24/7 coverage.  Manufacturing and Retail also require extensive coverage, but could adapt more easily than the previously mentioned through greater mechanization or robotization.

These are already career fields that are stressed with staffing shortages.  If other occupations or professions become more attractive with shorter hours, they become more difficult to fill.  Hiring more people?  That costs money.  Pay more to these jobs across the board to attract more workers and you're creating inflation and often stressing local/state coffers - does the money come from taxes or cuts to other programs, and how do you get that particular pill swallowed?  Even if you add part timers to fill the gaps (with people using that extra 8 hours free from other jobs) that still increases payroll.

No trite "We can just defend the popo or slash the DOD or tax the billionaires."  These are all third rails to some extent... you still have to get these things enacted.  All it takes is a wave of crime (real or perceived) or an international incident of aggression (nobody whines about defense contracts for arms when they're being supplied to Ukrainians) to make them untenable. Now increase payroll costs in a period with inflation and you have a real battle. Now think of supply constrictions: even just housing,  decreasing homebuilder labor by 20%, shipment of home building supplies, etc.  Yes, we office folk could easily condense our activities, but do we really ...


Not to mention the fact that all the office dicks will be complaining " why come Costfart isnt open today? Where my Amazorn package of towel?"

It's a good idea, but the people cheering the most for it only want it for themselves.
 
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