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2022-07-06 9:15:15 AM  
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Metallica is cool now?
 
2022-07-06 9:15:50 AM  
They didn't sue?
 
2022-07-06 9:20:35 AM  
Bubblegum Grunge fan-like submitting detected
 
2022-07-06 9:21:05 AM  
I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.
 
2022-07-06 9:27:52 AM  

LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.


Too on the (lack of) nose.

// but also more fitting, since Joseph Quinn is British
// Fear of the Dark would have been an excellent choice...
 
2022-07-06 9:27:53 AM  

LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.


I think 2 Minutes to Midnight would have worked great for the character and setting.

That is, unless it turns out Vecna's grand plan is to develop Napster.
 
2022-07-06 9:30:51 AM  
Metallica is thrilled to have a small fraction of Kate Bush's fame.
 
2022-07-06 9:34:26 AM  

Dr Dreidel: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

Too on the (lack of) nose.

// but also more fitting, since Joseph Quinn is British
// Fear of the Dark would have been an excellent choice...


No, Master of Puppets was perfect for the scene. They skipped the second verse because it's basically a spoiler for the climax of the episode: "Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings, Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams, Blinded by me, you can't see a thing, Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream"
 
2022-07-06 9:47:29 AM  

stuhayes2010: They didn't sue?


Nah they knew the Duffer Bros paid for the licensing, but they weren't sure how it was going to be used. This is them being thrilled it was showcased like it was when they were probably expecting it to be background music.
 
2022-07-06 9:47:38 AM  
Metallica is overrated, except for Reload. that's a metal head's metal album right there.
 
2022-07-06 9:49:08 AM  

skyotter: Metallica is thrilled to have a small fraction of Kate Bush's fame.


Everybody rips off of Kate Bush - Group at Last.fm: "If it exists, it was ripped off of Kate Bush. If it was not ripped off of Kate Bush, it is Kate Bush."

Exhibit 20142255:
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2022-07-06 9:50:10 AM  

Dr Dreidel: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

Too on the (lack of) nose.

// but also more fitting, since Joseph Quinn is British
// Fear of the Dark would have been an excellent choice...


Love "Fear of the Dark" (it may be my very favorite Maiden track) but the season is set in 1986 (when Master of Puppets was released) and Fear of the Dark wasn't released until '92.
 
2022-07-06 9:50:48 AM  
People who get their 80s music from Stranger Things are farking poseurs.

There, I said it.
 
2022-07-06 9:51:47 AM  
I still think Crazy Train would best fit the Eddie that we all knew in the 1980s.

Because, let's face it, Eddie was always a few years behind.
Eddie Munson - Crazy Train ( Ozzy Osbourne )Stranger Things 4
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2022-07-06 9:52:31 AM  

stuhayes2010: They didn't sue?


That's what I came here to say -  Lars isn't suing?
 
2022-07-06 9:52:37 AM  

LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.


one thing that gets me

the season takes place at the end of March 86...the skate rink scene happened on march 22

MoP was released March 3 that year.

How did Eddie find the time to learn and practice Master of Puppets--solos and all--in a couple weeks when tab books didn't exist, he's in the middle of a huge dnd campaign, he's trying to graduate high school, and has a drug business on the side
 
2022-07-06 9:53:21 AM  

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Metallica is cool now?


Metallica Napster Bad
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2022-07-06 9:54:31 AM  

Boojum2k: Dr Dreidel: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

Too on the (lack of) nose.

// but also more fitting, since Joseph Quinn is British
// Fear of the Dark would have been an excellent choice...

No, Master of Puppets was perfect for the scene. They skipped the second verse because it's basically a spoiler for the climax of the episode: "Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings, Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams, Blinded by me, you can't see a thing, Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream"


I'm not arguing that - I love that song, and have played it many times on my many basses (/humblebrag). That scene is gold, and gave me chills (I'm a sucker for "reluctant" heroes' big moments).

But, in the alternate universe where they went with Iron Maiden (because Eddie/Eddie, and because Quinn is British), I'd hope they picked FotD - which also fits with the Stranger Things theme, though in a more generalized way than MoP fits this recent season.

// it's also an easier song to play (that farking MoP intro...), so that might detract a bit
// CSB: a good buddy of mine from HS had a Warlock bass - as I recall, the neck dive on it was quite a thing (not as bad as the Ibanez Iceman)
 
2022-07-06 9:54:51 AM  

gnarlywizzard: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

one thing that gets me

the season takes place at the end of March 86...the skate rink scene happened on march 22

MoP was released March 3 that year.

How did Eddie find the time to learn and practice Master of Puppets--solos and all--in a couple weeks when tab books didn't exist, he's in the middle of a huge dnd campaign, he's trying to graduate high school, and has a drug business on the side


He downloaded a pirated advanced copy off the internet
 
2022-07-06 9:55:34 AM  

Dr Dreidel: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

Too on the (lack of) nose.

// but also more fitting, since Joseph Quinn is British
// Fear of the Dark would have been an excellent choice...


Ironically, during one scene when they are searching for music for Nancy, he picks up an Iron Maiden tape and says "THIS IS MUSIC!"

Such a great scene, the last two episodes of this season were awesome.
 
2022-07-06 9:57:57 AM  

LewDux: skyotter: Metallica is thrilled to have a small fraction of Kate Bush's fame.

Everybody rips off of Kate Bush - Group at Last.fm: "If it exists, it was ripped off of Kate Bush. If it was not ripped off of Kate Bush, it is Kate Bush."

Exhibit 20142255:
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Nah. Some bands just ripped off Sparks instead.
 
2022-07-06 9:58:11 AM  

gnarlywizzard: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

one thing that gets me

the season takes place at the end of March 86...the skate rink scene happened on march 22

MoP was released March 3 that year.

How did Eddie find the time to learn and practice Master of Puppets--solos and all--in a couple weeks when tab books didn't exist, he's in the middle of a huge dnd campaign, he's trying to graduate high school, and has a drug business on the side


If you were a guitar dude with a bit of musical theory background, learning songs by ear is how it was done at that point in time. Nearly a month of owning the record and focusing on that song when he IS practicing? Done and done.
 
2022-07-06 9:58:20 AM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Love "Fear of the Dark" (it may be my very favorite Maiden track) but the season is set in 1986 (when Master of Puppets was released) and Fear of the Dark wasn't released until '92.


Well FINE.

// Murders in the Rue Morgue it is!
// or anything off Powerslave (released 1984) - actually, the title song also fits the season's theme, or maybe The Duelists (...Losfer Words?)
// but I will always be partial to Rime of the Ancient Mariner
 
2022-07-06 10:02:27 AM  

LewDux: Bubblegum Grunge fan-like submitting detected


That's what I was thinking as well.

It may seem like that now but Master of Puppets was a dozen light years away from "bubblegum" back then.  It was *only* popular with the metalheads.  They didn't start pulling in non-metal fans until Justice came out and lots of that was due to the "One" video.  Then the Black album put them over the top.

CSB - The Black album released right in the middle of my chAir Force basic training.  When I got out of training, the *very* first thing I did the day they released us was go to the BX and buy the album and listen to it multiple times.  I had to use a tape deck in one of the base rec centers and at any given moment friends and strangers alike would stop by and sit and listen (this was at "tech school" so there were multiple groups just out of basic training).  I was amazed at the sudden and *massive* surge of Metallica fans.
 
2022-07-06 10:03:53 AM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Dr Dreidel: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

Too on the (lack of) nose.

// but also more fitting, since Joseph Quinn is British
// Fear of the Dark would have been an excellent choice...

Love "Fear of the Dark" (it may be my very favorite Maiden track) but the season is set in 1986 (when Master of Puppets was released) and Fear of the Dark wasn't released until '92.


Bravo.
 
2022-07-06 10:06:56 AM  

gnarlywizzard: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

one thing that gets me

the season takes place at the end of March 86...the skate rink scene happened on march 22

MoP was released March 3 that year.

How did Eddie find the time to learn and practice Master of Puppets--solos and all--in a couple weeks when tab books didn't exist, he's in the middle of a huge dnd campaign, he's trying to graduate high school, and has a drug business on the side


I noticed the same but it was still awesome.

In an earlier episode, they played "Play With Me" by Extreme and that wasn't released until 89.
 
2022-07-06 10:09:24 AM  

UberDave: gnarlywizzard: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

one thing that gets me

the season takes place at the end of March 86...the skate rink scene happened on march 22

MoP was released March 3 that year.

How did Eddie find the time to learn and practice Master of Puppets--solos and all--in a couple weeks when tab books didn't exist, he's in the middle of a huge dnd campaign, he's trying to graduate high school, and has a drug business on the side

I noticed the same but it was still awesome.

In an earlier episode, they played "Play With Me" by Extreme and that wasn't released until 89.


They probably got it from a couple stoners traveling in a phone booth.
 
2022-07-06 10:09:57 AM  

UberDave: LewDux: Bubblegum Grunge fan-like submitting detected

That's what I was thinking as well.

It may seem like that now but Master of Puppets was a dozen light years away from "bubblegum" back then.  It was *only* popular with the metalheads.  They didn't start pulling in non-metal fans until Justice came out and lots of that was due to the "One" video.  Then the Black album put them over the top.

CSB - The Black album released right in the middle of my chAir Force basic training.When I got out of training, the *very* first thing I did the day they released us was go to the BX and buy the album and listen to it multiple times.  I had to use a tape deck in one of the base rec centers and at any given moment friends and strangers alike would stop by and sit and listen (this was at "tech school" so there were multiple groups just out of basic training).  I was amazed at the sudden and *massive* surge of Metallica fans.


I had a similar experience with Dre's The Chronic.  For one glorious weekend we were all 'Seaman Recruit Deeznuts'.
 
2022-07-06 10:12:14 AM  

Ishkur: People who get their 80s music from Stranger Things are farking poseurs.

There, I said it.


Or born after the year 2000.

Which is kind of wild because imagine being a kid in the 90s and everyone at school was talking about the cool 1950's show with all the cool 1950's music.
 
2022-07-06 10:13:16 AM  

skyotter: I still think Crazy Train would best fit the Eddie that we all knew in the 1980s.

Because, let's face it, Eddie was always a few years behind.
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That's another thing that annoyed me.

Okay -- show takes place in 1986.

But Eddie belongs in 1981. He is clearly cut from the NWBHM mold, and is something the Duffer brothers added because they obviously forgot this memorable aspect of 80s culture lore.

But then you have the stoner/slacker friend Argyle wearing dayglo visor and long straight hair which belongs in 1991. Never mind the weed -- there were stoners in the 80s too -- but they didn't dress like they were hired extras from Central Casting stepping off the set of Point Break. That took a couple years and seasons of Saved By The Bell (as well as clothing lines like Westbeach and Hypercolor) to fully germinate. I mean Bill & Ted were still 3 years away from this guy.
 
2022-07-06 10:18:21 AM  

Ishkur: skyotter: I still think Crazy Train would best fit the Eddie that we all knew in the 1980s.

Because, let's face it, Eddie was always a few years behind.
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That's another thing that annoyed me.

Okay -- show takes place in 1986.

But Eddie belongs in 1981. He is clearly cut from the NWBHM mold, and is something the Duffer brothers added because they obviously forgot this memorable aspect of 80s culture lore.

But then you have the stoner/slacker friend Argyle wearing dayglo visor and long straight hair which belongs in 1991. Never mind the weed -- there were stoners in the 80s too -- but they didn't dress like they were hired extras from Central Casting stepping off the set of Point Break. That took a couple years and seasons of Saved By The Bell (as well as clothing lines like Westbeach and Hypercolor) to fully germinate. I mean Bill & Ted were still 3 years away from this guy.


Eh, you'd have people in California that were going to be a few years ahead of the national trends in that era. It's not like today where fashion gets instantly spread via TikTok. It took a lot longer back then for the cool stuff to move from the coasts to the heartland.
 
2022-07-06 10:23:11 AM  

Ishkur: skyotter: I still think Crazy Train would best fit the Eddie that we all knew in the 1980s.

Because, let's face it, Eddie was always a few years behind.
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That's another thing that annoyed me.

Okay -- show takes place in 1986.

But Eddie belongs in 1981. He is clearly cut from the NWBHM mold, and is something the Duffer brothers added because they obviously forgot this memorable aspect of 80s culture lore.

But then you have the stoner/slacker friend Argyle wearing dayglo visor and long straight hair which belongs in 1991. Never mind the weed -- there were stoners in the 80s too -- but they didn't dress like they were hired extras from Central Casting stepping off the set of Point Break. That took a couple years and seasons of Saved By The Bell (as well as clothing lines like Westbeach and Hypercolor) to fully germinate. I mean Bill & Ted were still 3 years away from this guy.


The early 80s metal aesthetic was very common in the Midwest up until the early to mid 1990s. Eddie was very on point with how he looked as of 1986.

I love the inclusion of 'Master of Puppets'. It was so completely on brand and perfect for that moment.

I fucking hate Crazy Train. Like it if you want, if it brings you joy then I'm happy for you.  I'd be okay with never hearing that song ever again.
 
2022-07-06 10:23:55 AM  

Ishkur: People who get their 80s music from Stranger Things are farking poseurs.

There, I said it.


Hey we can't all be old. Gotta get exposed to it somewhere.
 
2022-07-06 10:25:35 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Eh, you'd have people in California that were going to be a few years ahead of the national trends in that era. It's not like today where fashion gets instantly spread via TikTok. It took a lot longer back then for the cool stuff to move from the coasts to the heartland.


Right.

So how's this dude in Hawkins, Indiana picking up west coast slacker culture so easily? Is that where his drugs are coming from?

Another thing I thought was an anachronism were skaters. They were still wearing helmets and knee pads like from the 70s. Skaters didn't wear those in the 80s and in 1986 Steve Cabellero and Tony Hawk were already household names in skater culture so things were well established. Needed more punk rock -- Dead Kennedys or Black Flag or somebody.

And goths. Real goths, of the Chris & Cosey, Coil, Laibech, and Kirlian Camera variety. Not that watered down Kate Bush crap.
 
2022-07-06 10:34:21 AM  
Also: I recognize I am nitpicking to an obsessively nerdy extent.

Most people don't care that much about the 80s or its music. But I do. And when I hear an Italo Disco song at a roller rink, I want it to be anything other than farking Tarzan Boy. I mean, come on.
 
2022-07-06 10:37:35 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Which is kind of wild because imagine being a kid in the 90s and everyone at school was talking about the cool 1950's show with all the cool 1950's music.


That actually occurred to me the other day at the mall (they still exist) and I saw at least three teenagers wearing Nirvana t-shirts. That'd be like me walking around with a Bill Haley & His Comets t-shirt back in the day.

Eh, give them a break with the album date. At least they always get all the movie references right. They could have Paul Riser walking by an "Aliens" poster that wasn't released until late summer but they didn't. Actually, I don't think he was ever outside in that episode so it wouldn't have come up.

And yes, they obtained the rights to the song on the up and up, Netflix isn't that stupid. Yes, I'm sure Lars was pissed he didn't get to sue. .
 
2022-07-06 10:39:03 AM  

Ishkur: And goths. Real goths,


Well I'm always in favor of that. Maybe Max becomes a goth when she gets out of her coma.

/taking a seat over here
 
2022-07-06 10:40:40 AM  

Ishkur: Mad_Radhu: Eh, you'd have people in California that were going to be a few years ahead of the national trends in that era. It's not like today where fashion gets instantly spread via TikTok. It took a lot longer back then for the cool stuff to move from the coasts to the heartland.

Right.

So how's this dude in Hawkins, Indiana picking up west coast slacker culture so easily? Is that where his drugs are coming from?

Another thing I thought was an anachronism were skaters. They were still wearing helmets and knee pads like from the 70s. Skaters didn't wear those in the 80s and in 1986 Steve Cabellero and Tony Hawk were already household names in skater culture so things were well established. Needed more punk rock -- Dead Kennedys or Black Flag or somebody.

And goths. Real goths, of the Chris & Cosey, Coil, Laibech, and Kirlian Camera variety. Not that watered down Kate Bush crap.


Argyle didn't live in Hawkins.
 
2022-07-06 10:41:16 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Ishkur: People who get their 80s music from Stranger Things are farking poseurs.

There, I said it.

Or born after the year 2000.

Which is kind of wild because imagine being a kid in the 90s and everyone at school was talking about the cool 1950's show with all the cool 1950's music.


A 1950s song getting re-popularized in the mid-80s? Unpossible!

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// 1955 Marty plays a guitar not made until 1958 (with pickups that were invented in 1957), through an amp that wasn't made (even as a prototype) until 1961
 
2022-07-06 10:43:41 AM  
More expensive jeans for James.
 
2022-07-06 10:44:21 AM  

Mugato: Well I'm always in favor of that. Maybe Max becomes a goth when she gets out of her coma.


Kate Bush is indeed a mild stepping stone.

We will know she's on the right path if she graduates to the Cocteau Twins next.
 
2022-07-06 10:47:45 AM  

Ishkur: Mugato: Well I'm always in favor of that. Maybe Max becomes a goth when she gets out of her coma.

Kate Bush is indeed a mild stepping stone.

We will know she's on the right path if she graduates to the Cocteau Twins next.


I think Max is probably going to be more into the Smiths if they get to 1987.

The Smiths - Girlfriend In A Coma (Official Music Video)
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2022-07-06 10:51:37 AM  

Dr Dreidel: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Love "Fear of the Dark" (it may be my very favorite Maiden track) but the season is set in 1986 (when Master of Puppets was released) and Fear of the Dark wasn't released until '92.

Well FINE.

// Murders in the Rue Morgue it is!
// or anything off Powerslave (released 1984) - actually, the title song also fits the season's theme, or maybe The Duelists (...Losfer Words?)
// but I will always be partial to Rime of the Ancient Mariner


Off that album Flash of the Blade would seem to be most appropriate, plus it has such a great guitar intro
 
2022-07-06 10:54:01 AM  

Dr Dreidel: A 1950s song getting re-popularized in the mid-80s? Unpossible!


That film proved that it was actually the black man who stole the white man's music.

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2022-07-06 10:54:53 AM  
And another thing:

Lucas has a high top fade. That is not necessarily wrong but a little pre-mature for a black teenager in 1986. If anything he should have a jheri curl and let his Soul Glo.

High top fades were a New Jack Swing/90s thing (Kid n Play, Fresh Prince).
 
2022-07-06 10:56:13 AM  

LewDux: Bubblegum Grunge fan-like submitting detected


I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
 
2022-07-06 11:03:03 AM  

Mugato: Dr Dreidel: A 1950s song getting re-popularized in the mid-80s? Unpossible!

That film proved that it was actually the black man who stole the white man's music.

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2022-07-06 11:21:51 AM  

Mugato: That film proved that it was actually the black man who stole the white man's music.


Not the first time that's happened.
 
2022-07-06 11:24:28 AM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Dr Dreidel: LucklessWonder: I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode, and an '80s D&D metalhead like Eddie would definitely be into Master of Puppets.

Though with a name like Eddie, I was hoping for an Iron Maiden riff.

Too on the (lack of) nose.

// but also more fitting, since Joseph Quinn is British
// Fear of the Dark would have been an excellent choice...

Love "Fear of the Dark" (it may be my very favorite Maiden track) but the season is set in 1986 (when Master of Puppets was released) and Fear of the Dark wasn't released until '92.


Yeah. Overall I think MoP is the perfect song there.

2 Minutes to Midnight is a close second, but I think it'd risk conflicting with Vecna's 4 chimes motif. Also had thought about Symphony of Destruction, but same problem as above: released in 1992.
 
2022-07-06 11:27:41 AM  
But, I mean...SoD's lyrics would've been at least as good, if not better, a fit, than MoP, since it's actually about men destroying lives, rather than drugs destroying lives.


You take a mortal man
And put him in control
Watch him become a god
Watch peoples heads a 'roll
A 'roll, a 'roll
Just like the pied piper
Led rats through the streets
We dance like Marionettes
Swaying to the symphony of destruction
 
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