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2022-07-06 5:51:10 PM  
I have the same problem with my bedroom
 
2022-07-06 5:55:09 PM  
I noted the banner in the page stating that the boards of companies in the EU must be at least 40% women.
 
2022-07-06 6:21:51 PM  
I mean William Golding probably agrees with her, that was after all, The Problem above all other problems on that island.
 
2022-07-06 7:20:21 PM  
Well, get on there and start adding info.  That's how it works.  Or you can write an article complaining that somebody hasn't done it for you.
 
2022-07-06 7:52:41 PM  

InfoFreako: Well, get on there and start adding info.  That's how it works.  Or you can write an article complaining that somebody hasn't done it for you.


CSB...

In college we had a 'help desk'. It was an incredibly desirable job. It paid better than almost anything else on campus and you got to do computer stuff. Awesome.

They would get hundreds of applications. Probably something like 1/50 got a job. And they were like CS majors with years of experience, an internship, and they worked IT during high school.

None of the employees were men. Some chick wrote an article about how unfair it was and how the highest paying student job was a boys club! Then a bunch of other women got upset about it. Apparently there was a small protest, also covered in the campus paper.

The thing was... No woman had ever applied. At least, not that we could tell from the name.

Naturally the appearance of diversity is super high priority for the University... But literally... Not a single girl applied. The director went around, basically begging, us to get any girl to show up. No experience needed.

Some dude got his girlfriend to apply. Elementary Ed major. She got hired. She couldn't use a computer. I thought it was pretty embarrassing and a disservice to women who actually could have done the job. She was a reasonably nice person though and I can't fault her for the weird situation she was in.

There is nothing stopping anyone from participating on Wikipedia, just like there was nothing stopping anyone from applying to work at the Help Desk.

These people don't want to actually change anything, they just want to feel like they are fighting for a cause. If they cared, they'd contribute content.
 
2022-07-06 8:31:10 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: InfoFreako: Well, get on there and start adding info.  That's how it works.  Or you can write an article complaining that somebody hasn't done it for you.

CSB...

In college we had a 'help desk'. It was an incredibly desirable job. It paid better than almost anything else on campus and you got to do computer stuff. Awesome.

They would get hundreds of applications. Probably something like 1/50 got a job. And they were like CS majors with years of experience, an internship, and they worked IT during high school.

None of the employees were men. Some chick wrote an article about how unfair it was and how the highest paying student job was a boys club! Then a bunch of other women got upset about it. Apparently there was a small protest, also covered in the campus paper.

The thing was... No woman had ever applied. At least, not that we could tell from the name.

Naturally the appearance of diversity is super high priority for the University... But literally... Not a single girl applied. The director went around, basically begging, us to get any girl to show up. No experience needed.

Some dude got his girlfriend to apply. Elementary Ed major. She got hired. She couldn't use a computer. I thought it was pretty embarrassing and a disservice to women who actually could have done the job. She was a reasonably nice person though and I can't fault her for the weird situation she was in.

There is nothing stopping anyone from participating on Wikipedia, just like there was nothing stopping anyone from applying to work at the Help Desk.

These people don't want to actually change anything, they just want to feel like they are fighting for a cause. If they cared, they'd contribute content.


I don't know when you went to college, but I imagine it was at least a few decades ago.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the social and educational pipeline that allowed applicants to have "CS majors with years of experience, an internship, and they worked IT during high school" didn't exist to the same degree for women?

The tech industry has historically been, and largely remains, openly hostile to women. When not outright denied education and participation, the looming threat of harrassment and sexual abuse hangs like a Sword of Damocles.

Progress is being made on this front and we're better for it, but let's not pretend that everyone had equal oppprtunity to participate and this is entirely the fault of women who simply prefer to sit around and biatch rather than do anything.
 
2022-07-06 8:46:31 PM  
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2022-07-06 9:00:19 PM  
I haven't heard about any toxic masculinity issues with Wikipedia editors.

Certainly plenty of other toxic issues, but not ones that chase women away.

Is there anything stopping women? Or just they cbf? It's not like Wiki markets themselves to be edited by men.
 
2022-07-06 9:54:09 PM  

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2022-07-06 10:39:16 PM  

emtwo: Fark_Guy_Rob: InfoFreako: Well, get on there and start adding info.  That's how it works.  Or you can write an article complaining that somebody hasn't done it for you.

CSB...

In college we had a 'help desk'. It was an incredibly desirable job. It paid better than almost anything else on campus and you got to do computer stuff. Awesome.

They would get hundreds of applications. Probably something like 1/50 got a job. And they were like CS majors with years of experience, an internship, and they worked IT during high school.

None of the employees were men. Some chick wrote an article about how unfair it was and how the highest paying student job was a boys club! Then a bunch of other women got upset about it. Apparently there was a small protest, also covered in the campus paper.

The thing was... No woman had ever applied. At least, not that we could tell from the name.

Naturally the appearance of diversity is super high priority for the University... But literally... Not a single girl applied. The director went around, basically begging, us to get any girl to show up. No experience needed.

Some dude got his girlfriend to apply. Elementary Ed major. She got hired. She couldn't use a computer. I thought it was pretty embarrassing and a disservice to women who actually could have done the job. She was a reasonably nice person though and I can't fault her for the weird situation she was in.

There is nothing stopping anyone from participating on Wikipedia, just like there was nothing stopping anyone from applying to work at the Help Desk.

These people don't want to actually change anything, they just want to feel like they are fighting for a cause. If they cared, they'd contribute content.

I don't know when you went to college, but I imagine it was at least a few decades ago.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the social and educational pipeline that allowed applicants to have "CS majors with years of experience, an internship, and they worked IT during high school" didn't exist to the same degree for women?

The tech industry has historically been, and largely remains, openly hostile to women. When not outright denied education and participation, the looming threat of harrassment and sexual abuse hangs like a Sword of Damocles.

Progress is being made on this front and we're better for it, but let's not pretend that everyone had equal oppprtunity to participate and this is entirely the fault of women who simply prefer to sit around and biatch rather than do anything.


Nobody is pretending. We aren't talking about applying different standards to women applicants...we are talking about no women applying.

The girl that got the job....

1 - had no desire to learn IT stuff
2 - didn't learn IT stuff
3 - Undoubtedly convinced *a lot* of students that stereotypes about women being bad with computers was true.

I wasn't like pals with them, but I have every reason to believe she successfully completed her degree and went on to teach elementary school. She wasn't like breaking barriers for women everywhere. She did an awful job at a position she was unqualified for and had no desire to become qualified for. Then she graduated and left.

This was back in the mid 00s, not 1960 or something. We had women students in CS, we even had women professors in CS. They were, admittedly, in the minority.

It's literally the same as getting upset because none of the kindergarten teacher's aids were men, when no men applied, then hiring an unqualified man...just because the something like 97% of all kindergarten teachers in the US are women.
 
2022-07-07 3:31:07 AM  
Women get paid less and guns are fantastic
 
2022-07-07 6:15:57 AM  
I gave up on Wikipedia years ago.

There are a few areas in which I'm an expert, but too many mouth-breathing 14-year-old morons to fight with. The days when any casual user could correct an error are long gone. Some dick will revert the change and fight to the death to keep it.
 
2022-07-07 10:37:52 AM  

crumblecat: I gave up on Wikipedia years ago.

There are a few areas in which I'm an expert, but too many mouth-breathing 14-year-old morons to fight with. The days when any casual user could correct an error are long gone. Some dick will revert the change and fight to the death to keep it.


Or just vandalize from an IP address until it gets banned.

It's not a simple thing to "just go edit". The communication, if you can call it that, is badly structured. If you find some subject nobody else cares enough about to fight over it it can be fine. Dog help you if you wander into someone else's life passion. Flames, nomination for deletion, doxing, and a lot of other nonsense are all over the place.

There are some editors who wander around helping folks out. The Wikipedia Women In Red community is pretty good. Once you get used to how talk pages work it's not so bad. But "just go and edit" is a great way to lose your enthusiasm fast.
 
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