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(International Business Times)   Working for Tesla is almost as humiliating as driving one   (ibtimes.com) divider line
    More: Awkward, Layoff, Tesla workers, Termination of employment, Severance package, part of Tesla, Tesla's gigafactory plant, Elon Musk, weeks' pay  
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2022-07-06 4:08:18 AM  
You don't want to be in the "pony club".
 
2022-07-06 5:44:57 AM  
Subby, gonna need you to explain what exactly is humiliating about "driving one"

/doesn't "drive one"
//or plan to drive one - neat cars but sit too low
///intrigued by Rivian
 
2022-07-06 5:50:01 AM  
Only one or two weeks severance pay?

I'm thinking that Elon Musk isn't as rich as his forged documents and press treatment wants us to believe he is
 
2022-07-06 6:42:18 AM  
I don't believe anything involving lawsuits and Tesla as being legitimate.

Their business operations are being used to undermine the court system and they're paying employees to retain high-priced lawyers to set bad precedents.
 
2022-07-06 6:42:56 AM  
If it's a consumer class action lawsuit, then I'll bite.
 
2022-07-06 6:43:52 AM  
Having been part of a mass layoff I can sympathize. But WARN compensation is different from a company severance package. Assuming Tesla isn't actually ripping them off they should've at least gotten a copy of the WARN notice itself, which I did. My employer then provided a severance on top of that with 1 paycheck per 1 year of employment. Wasn't the greatest but it was something.
 
2022-07-06 7:38:08 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: Only one or two weeks severance pay?

I'm thinking that Elon Musk isn't as rich as his forged documents and press treatment wants us to believe he is


Never underestimate the greed of rich people. They'll cut every corner if it means more money for them, and less for everyone else.
 
2022-07-06 7:48:51 AM  
I remember hearing stories a while back about how much people made at SpaceX and Tesla and it intrigued me enough to look into it. Whatever money they're paying isn't worth the complete eradication of any semblance of work/life balance. Maybe, maybe if you're a crazy single person with zero responsibilities and you just love working 80-100 hours/week including weekends. Maybe you do that for a year or two and stash some money away, but I couldn't do it.
 
2022-07-06 8:20:02 AM  
Everyone else is ramping up production of electric vehicles and Tesla is laying people off. Tesla never intended to gain the market share they claimed. It was always about stock price manipulation.
 
2022-07-06 8:20:25 AM  
Honestly with some of the EV's that have entered in the last year or two, Tesla most likely won't be the way I go, but they are fun cars to drive, even the lower end ones.

Ford is going to put them out of business, between the lightning, mustang (say what you will about the branding), and on the maverick on the hybrid side.

Another 2 years or so and you will see them dump something great into the Lincoln line for luxury, or my idea if you are reading this Ford, bring back Mercury as a niche label for performance\semi luxury. An EV Thunderbird would be sweet and give some flexibility in styling.
 
2022-07-06 8:23:21 AM  

The_Homeless_Guy: Everyone else is ramping up production of electric vehicles and Tesla is laying people off. Tesla never intended to gain the market share they claimed. It was always about stock price manipulation.


Really they just didn't know how to build cars, and did a shiat job of getting people in charge that did. They focused on hype to drive the price, but give credit where credit is due, they proved there was a market, and they helped advance a lot of the tech that now the grownups are comfortable getting into the game, and are going to school them.

Well, not GM, they are like the Mets of car companies.
 
2022-07-06 8:26:46 AM  

The_Homeless_Guy: Everyone else is ramping up production of electric vehicles and Tesla is laying people off. Tesla never intended to gain the market share they claimed. It was always about stock price manipulation.


Musk should be buying stock in Ford instead of Twitter, agreed.
 
2022-07-06 8:30:39 AM  

Sajuuk Khar: Having been part of a mass layoff I can sympathize. But WARN compensation is different from a company severance package. Assuming Tesla isn't actually ripping them off they should've at least gotten a copy of the WARN notice itself, which I did. My employer then provided a severance on top of that with 1 paycheck per 1 year of employment. Wasn't the greatest but it was something.


That is fairly standard. Anyone i have ever worked with, or dealt with when they went through layoffs that were covered by WARN did pretty much that.

"Hey, you are most likely getting fired in 60 days (more in some states). If your boss hasn't pulled you aside by now (again varies by state) or you have any question in your mind as to if you are out the door, you are, and we completely expect you to not give a shiat for the next 2 months, and there is nothing we can do about it. Severance will be 2 to 4 weeks pay, with an additional 1 week per year of service after 2 years, and you will still qualify for UI. Depending on the state you work in, you may be able to claim immediately, or may need to wait through your severance period. Health Insurance will continue as if you were employed through the severance period, then get out your checkbook for COBRA."
 
2022-07-06 9:10:57 AM  

WhackingDay: I remember hearing stories a while back about how much people made at SpaceX and Tesla and it intrigued me enough to look into it. Whatever money they're paying isn't worth the complete eradication of any semblance of work/life balance. Maybe, maybe if you're a crazy single person with zero responsibilities and you just love working 80-100 hours/week including weekends. Maybe you do that for a year or two and stash some money away, but I couldn't do it.


No different from any Silicon Valley company. Or accounting firm anywhere in the USA. Or law firm, for junior members.
 
2022-07-06 9:39:21 AM  
Two employees. I will leave the outrage to others who have been jerked around with severance pay and such.

A lot of people don't get severance pay and they certainly don't get options, so...

I will reserve my outrage for the next scandal, which will be coming along very soon now.
 
2022-07-06 9:55:22 AM  
- Two Employees
- Out of 500 laid off
- Out of 7,000+ -  at that facility

Sounds like they're chasing dead weight.
 
2022-07-06 9:57:22 AM  
.....reads up on WARN Act.....

Wow, that would have been nice to have after the Challenger disaster.  I worked at the NASA Michould facility where they made the External Tank.

I think it was three weeks from crash to layoffs.
 
2022-07-06 11:05:45 AM  

Izunbacol: Subby, gonna need you to explain what exactly is humiliating about "driving one"

/doesn't "drive one"
//or plan to drive one - neat cars but sit too low
///intrigued by Rivian


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2022-07-06 11:06:38 AM  
Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk told top managers last month that he had a "super bad feeling" about the economy and that the company needed to cut staff by about 10%.

FFS, what's next? Does Musk just change his name to Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg at this point?
 
2022-07-06 11:20:35 AM  
Everyone seems to be having "super bad feeling" about Tesla.
 
2022-07-06 11:25:07 AM  

LineNoise: Honestly with some of the EV's that have entered in the last year or two, Tesla most likely won't be the way I go, but they are fun cars to drive, even the lower end ones.

Ford is going to put them out of business, between the lightning, mustang (say what you will about the branding), and on the maverick on the hybrid side.

Another 2 years or so and you will see them dump something great into the Lincoln line for luxury, or my idea if you are reading this Ford, bring back Mercury as a niche label for performance\semi luxury. An EV Thunderbird would be sweet and give some flexibility in styling.


Tesla benefited enormously from the know hows of the other car companies by hiring experienced talent and the ecosystem of suppliers that the auto industry has created.

At some point they had to become one of the car manufacturers.

It would only work as long as Tesla stock was going x10 every few years.
 
2022-07-06 11:30:24 AM  

Izunbacol: Subby, gonna need you to explain what exactly is humiliating about "driving one"

/doesn't "drive one"
//or plan to drive one - neat cars but sit too low
///intrigued by Rivian


Reading an IBT link is almost as humiliating and posting one. Got that subby?
 
2022-07-06 11:35:08 AM  
Personally, I prefer to own cars where all the doors open even if the car doesn't have power.

And hell I have a car with suicide doors.
 
2022-07-06 11:58:33 AM  
I don't own a Tesla but have a driven a few of my friends and they are great cars. My friends all love them.  I don't think the problem is the cars, but just the CEO who got too rich and famous and tore the brand down. It's a shame because Tesla really opened up the EV market where all the big auto companies sat on their asses like cowards, but this is pretty much standard these days. Young mavericks challenge the status quo, succeed, then the big companies steal their ideas and force them out of the market they created.  As for this scenario, just applying "Tesla" to the front of any normal business practice doesn't actually mean anything.  Companies lay people off constantly and stiff severance and a bunch of other jerky things.  Tesla certainly did not invent that.
 
2022-07-06 12:20:51 PM  

mr0x: LineNoise: Honestly with some of the EV's that have entered in the last year or two, Tesla most likely won't be the way I go, but they are fun cars to drive, even the lower end ones.

Ford is going to put them out of business, between the lightning, mustang (say what you will about the branding), and on the maverick on the hybrid side.

Another 2 years or so and you will see them dump something great into the Lincoln line for luxury, or my idea if you are reading this Ford, bring back Mercury as a niche label for performance\semi luxury. An EV Thunderbird would be sweet and give some flexibility in styling.

Tesla benefited enormously from the know hows of the other car companies by hiring experienced talent and the ecosystem of suppliers that the auto industry has created.

At some point they had to become one of the car manufacturers.

It would only work as long as Tesla stock was going x10 every few years.


It was fun watching them try to fully automate the production line and failing spectacularly.  Elon thought he was too cool for school.  Toyota wouldn't have added more people to the production line if fully automated was possible.
 
2022-07-06 12:25:08 PM  

Lochaber_Axe: I don't own a Tesla but have a driven a few of my friends and they are great cars. My friends all love them.  I don't think the problem is the cars, but just the CEO who got too rich and famous and tore the brand down. It's a shame because Tesla really opened up the EV market where all the big auto companies sat on their asses like cowards, but this is pretty much standard these days. Young mavericks challenge the status quo, succeed, then the big companies steal their ideas and force them out of the market they created.  As for this scenario, just applying "Tesla" to the front of any normal business practice doesn't actually mean anything.  Companies lay people off constantly and stiff severance and a bunch of other jerky things.  Tesla certainly did not invent that.


Tesla was taken over by someone with hubris who is a giant BS artist.
 
2022-07-06 12:35:12 PM  

LineNoise: The_Homeless_Guy: Everyone else is ramping up production of electric vehicles and Tesla is laying people off. Tesla never intended to gain the market share they claimed. It was always about stock price manipulation.

Really they just didn't know how to build cars, and did a shiat job of getting people in charge that did. They focused on hype to drive the price, but give credit where credit is due, they proved there was a market, and they helped advance a lot of the tech that now the grownups are comfortable getting into the game, and are going to school them.

Well, not GM, they are like the Mets of car companies.


An upstart founded in 2003 (Musk didn't show up until 2006) went from zero cars to  building competitive cars that rank among luxury stalwarts and are seen on every corner.  It took Hyundai decades to go from shiatboxes to decentboxes.  Chrysler Corp still can't seem to pull its finger from the light socket.  That's damn impressive.

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Meanwhile, they seem to attract quality tier buyers.  They don't have a stigma attached to them like Nissan, Cadillac, Mitsubishi where they sell to the barely solvent subprime underclass.

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Besides, this is the business tab on Fark. It's not like most of us couldn't buy one right now if we wanted*. It seems to be some kind of Anti-Musk posturing to try to fit in with the "cool kids" who are so over Tesla. I get it, Musk is a tool, but the cars are pretty impressive.

*Farkers love this "how do you do, fellow poor people?" schtick, but this place is the online equivalent of a leafy suburb with a country club in the middle and dads sitting on the patio with their Golden Retrievers saying "we're not rich, but we're comfortable."

/an HOA that won't let you put up Washington Post or NYTimes flags
// and only begrudgingly allows cursing
/// and encouraged public consumption
 
2022-07-06 12:50:46 PM  

Izunbacol: but the cars are pretty impressive.


They'd be even more impressive if they supported Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, which are trivial to support
 
2022-07-06 12:59:55 PM  

Izunbacol: LineNoise: The_Homeless_Guy: Everyone else is ramping up production of electric vehicles and Tesla is laying people off. Tesla never intended to gain the market share they claimed. It was always about stock price manipulation.

Really they just didn't know how to build cars, and did a shiat job of getting people in charge that did. They focused on hype to drive the price, but give credit where credit is due, they proved there was a market, and they helped advance a lot of the tech that now the grownups are comfortable getting into the game, and are going to school them.

Well, not GM, they are like the Mets of car companies.

An upstart founded in 2003 (Musk didn't show up until 2006) went from zero cars to  building competitive cars that rank among luxury stalwarts and are seen on every corner.  It took Hyundai decades to go from shiatboxes to decentboxes.  Chrysler Corp still can't seem to pull its finger from the light socket.  That's damn impressive.

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Meanwhile, they seem to attract quality tier buyers.  They don't have a stigma attached to them like Nissan, Cadillac, Mitsubishi where they sell to the barely solvent subprime underclass.

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Besides, this is the business tab on Fark. It's not like most of us couldn't buy one right now if we wanted*. It seems to be some kind of Anti-Musk posturing to try to fit in with the "cool kids" who are so over Tesla. I get it, Musk is a tool, but the cars are pretty impressive.

*Farkers love this "how do you do, fellow poor people?" schtick, but this place is the online equivalent of a leafy suburb with a country club in the middle and dads sitting on the patio with their Golden Retrievers saying "we're not rich, but we're comfortable."

/an HOA that won't let you put up Washington Post or NYTimes flags
// and only begrudgingly allows cursing
/// and encouraged public consumption


That all is true it is just annoying that Musk has never been sanctioned for his strategy of "announce a great product at a great price" and then completely fail to deliver. Cybertruck is endlessly delayed and will be much more expensive then promised. Same goes with the semi. All Musk had to do was be first to the pickup market and failed miserably.

Seem pretty much every other company has realized this is a winning strategy to boost the stock price. I was following an electric UTV maker for a while as one would be very useful, I would just be using it for farm work and to drive the 5 miles between my house and my mothers. I don't need 100's of miles of range for hunting and I don't really get the point of hooning around in one for fun (If I'm out in the wilderness I want to be burning calories/getting exercise). Engine maintenance on the tractor is enough so having something without an engine would be great. They promised a great product at a good price. Ended up released a much worse product for more than double what they claimed. Luckily the stock market seems to have realized this as well and they are down 75+% from their IPO (when they made the extraordinary claims).
 
2022-07-06 1:03:50 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: All Musk had to do was be first to the pickup market and failed miserably.


It still needed to conform to some basic pickup truck norms that the Cybertruck doesn't, so I don't think it would've mattered.  Slanted rails on a pickup?  I'll take a Subaru Baja instead
 
2022-07-06 1:28:31 PM  

FormlessOne: Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk told top managers last month that he had a "super bad feeling" about the economy and that the company needed to cut staff by about 10%.

FFS, what's next? Does Musk just change his name to Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg at this point?


Multi pass
 
2022-07-06 2:44:15 PM  

bhcompy: The_Homeless_Guy: All Musk had to do was be first to the pickup market and failed miserably.

It still needed to conform to some basic pickup truck norms that the Cybertruck doesn't, so I don't think it would've mattered.  Slanted rails on a pickup?  I'll take a Subaru Baja instead


True. Which is also kind of my point. If he had just made a simple standard body on rails/frame truck it would have sold like crazy and could have been rushed out years ago. I am also much more interested in a lightning or similar.
 
2022-07-06 7:03:15 PM  

WhackingDay: I remember hearing stories a while back about how much people made at SpaceX and Tesla and it intrigued me enough to look into it. Whatever money they're paying isn't worth the complete eradication of any semblance of work/life balance. Maybe, maybe if you're a crazy single person with zero responsibilities and you just love working 80-100 hours/week including weekends. Maybe you do that for a year or two and stash some money away, but I couldn't do it.


to be fair, Jeff's gonna have your ass day and night.
 
2022-07-06 7:04:20 PM  

mr0x: Everyone seems to be having "super bad feeling" about Tesla.



because they can't afford one and are getting poorer every decade.
 
2022-07-06 9:50:06 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: Seem pretty much every other company has realized this is a winning strategy to boost the stock price. I was following an electric UTV maker for a while as one would be very useful, I would just be using it for farm work and to drive the 5 miles between my house and my mothers.


Funny you mention this. I'm upstate right now, and what 9 out of 10 people do is buy used golf carts for that purpose.

I think its trashy as shiat, and even as a city folk, we sprung for a real UTV for that purpose.

Sure it was like 10x the price, but its 10x more functional, and i'm not cruising around in a farking golf cart on short runs.
 
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