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Ringshadow [TotalFark]
2022-07-05 11:31:14 PM  
News: DOJ does literally anything
 
DocUi
2022-07-05 11:34:49 PM  
^  Done.   Turn out the lights, leave some biscuits and milk for the trolls and carry on.
 
BitwiseShift
2022-07-05 11:34:53 PM  
Let's go back and revisit every decision.  Courts always have repeat visitors as their business model.

I'm working on a whole line of fashion with "Stare Decisis" as the brand, and displayed prominently on all articles.  I hope to work an advertising or shared profits deal with the American Bar Association, which is feeling a little ignored recently due to all the Trump appointees slipping through the vetting process.
 
The Dog Ate My Homework
2022-07-05 11:37:01 PM  
Unfortunately, the 2013 SCOTUS was nothing like the 2022 SCOTUS, which doesn't think anyone has a right to vote (or any other rights, for that matter) unless they're a republican. And you can bet Arizona is well aware of this.
 
the money is in the banana stand
2022-07-05 11:37:22 PM  
You should have to prove citizenship to register to vote, but you should not have to prove citizenship to vote.
 
nmrsnr [TotalFark]
2022-07-05 11:37:40 PM  
The last decision was 7-2, with Thomas and Alito dissenting. Something tells me Arizona will take it back up to the Supreme Court, who will somehow find that 2013 ruling was super unfair to Arizona.
 
Master P but not that one
2022-07-05 11:38:13 PM  
These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?
 
nicholas m schumacher [TotalFark]
2022-07-05 11:48:46 PM  

Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?


Because illegally voting has a risk-reward that doesn't actually benefit the person committing voter fraud is looking at not just 5 years of detention, but in this case deportation. For what? One vote?

Also, verifying citizenship comes up when you register, not actually vote. So there's also that.
 
Mad-n-FL
2022-07-05 11:49:45 PM  

Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?


Because, like a drivers license gives you the right to drive, after proving yourself legal to drive; a voter registration card has already required you to prove your citizenship in order to register to vote.
 
buzzcut73 [TotalFark]
2022-07-05 11:51:39 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: You should have to prove citizenship to register to vote, but you should not have to prove citizenship to vote.


That's what makes it so stupid. I had to show a birth certificate in order to register which was in and of itself a pain in the ass. If my registration is good, that should be the end of it.
 
DarkDawg
2022-07-05 11:52:51 PM  
This is getting dumb.  if the gop really want sime type of id to vote then the feds should just do a national id you get at the post office and its paid for by a small tax. everyone can get one and this matter is over.

but its not really about proctecting the vote now is it?
 
Master P but not that one
2022-07-05 11:58:40 PM  

Mad-n-FL: Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?

Because, like a drivers license gives you the right to drive, after proving yourself legal to drive; a voter registration card has already required you to prove your citizenship in order to register to vote.


After reading other articles (thanks useless CNN link) I get the point the feds are making. Especially when the local yokels get to decide who/how to inspect and make decisions. Yeah.. I'm sure their is no chance of bias being used there.

I was thinking this law was for registration and not day of voting.

I see less problem with requiring proof of citizenship to REGISTER to vote. However, I get the feeling it is simply legislating to solve a problem that doesn't exist. While hindering lower economic families from voting.
 
nicholas m schumacher [TotalFark]
2022-07-06 12:01:19 AM  

nicholas m schumacher: Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?

Because illegally voting has a risk-reward that doesn't actually benefit the person committing voter fraud is looking at not just 5 years of detention, but in this case deportation. For what? One vote?

Also, verifying citizenship comes up when you register, not actually vote. So there's also that.


Actually, for me verifying citizenship came up when I was getting a driver's license like Mad-n-FL talked about. In my case (CSB), it was because the grandfather in charge of getting my birth-certificate from the courthouse when I was born balked at the charge, and decided to make a copy instead (it was only a nickle at the time). So my family had to spend a day at the courthouse reissuing a proper birth certificate with the required water-mark so I could get a driver's license.
 
somedude210 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-07-06 12:03:17 AM  
DOJ doesn't do something fast enough
Farkers: "DAMMIT, Garland, DO SOMETHING"

DOJ does something
Farkers: "Oh look, DOJ did something*yawn*"

/When you get laid, do you pay the hooker or roll your eyes and demand it should be free because she didn't make you cum in 30 seconds or less?
 
nmrsnr [TotalFark]
2022-07-06 12:06:43 AM  

Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?


Because it is a hurdle that is easy to cross for the affluent, and discouraging to low income people. It's like a poll tax, which is explicitly unconstitutional.

Since many places now allow driver's licenses to non-citizens, the one form of ID most people have, is not acceptable.

Since the law is saying that merely having successfully registered to vote is not enough, a voter ID card is not acceptable.

Many American citizens do not have a passport, nor is a passport free or easily acquired in a hurry (6-8 weeks normally, meaning if you only tune in to elections in September, you may already be too late for that particular ID).

The DMV is only open during regular work ours when lower income people are, you know, working. So in order to obtain some arbitrary proof of citizenship, people have to take day off of work, which often costs them wages. Even if the ID itself is free, the cost in time and wages is not.

All of this works to disenfranchise a certain class of voter. Namely those who are in lower income and immigrant communities.

TL;DR version from Washington Post in 2017
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YakBoy42
2022-07-06 12:12:59 AM  
Damned if they do and damned if they don't. DoJ can either sue, knowing that the case will make it to SCOTUS who will rule based on the long-standing legal principle of IOKIYAR, or they can just suck it up and let Arizona do its thing. Either way Republicans get to decide who votes.
 
Dinjiin [BareFark]
2022-07-06 12:15:02 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: You should have to prove citizenship to register to vote, but you should not have to prove citizenship to vote.


Only if the state provides identification, research, and transportation (you to them or them to you) at no cost.  So if some paraplegic dude living on disability out in Supai doesn't have a state-issued birth certificate or ID, but has other documents to support that they were born in the US, you need to foot the bill.

Then when 99.9% of the state's voting age population has sufficient ID, then you can start turning folks away at registration.
 
Chris Crude
2022-07-06 12:21:00 AM  

somedude210: DOJ doesn't do something fast enough
Farkers: "DAMMIT, Garland, DO SOMETHING"

DOJ does something
Farkers: "Oh look, DOJ did something*yawn*"

/When you get laid, do you pay the hooker or roll your eyes and demand it should be free because she didn't make you cum in 30 seconds or less?


Jokes on you! I always cum in 30 seconds or less! Wait...
 
DocUi
2022-07-06 12:22:02 AM  

somedude210: DOJ doesn't do something fast enough
Farkers: "DAMMIT, Garland, DO SOMETHING"

DOJ does something
Farkers: "Oh look, DOJ did something*yawn*"

/When you get laid, do you pay the hooker or roll your eyes and demand it should be free because she didn't make you cum in 30 seconds or less?


For the record, with no rancor, my agreement with the initial posting was that the DOJ could issue a water is wet comment and that would be newsworthy.  Irrespective of the substance of the thing, but this, this is a good thing.  Any good thing is a good thing.
 
DocUi
2022-07-06 12:23:30 AM  

DocUi: somedude210:

/When you get laid, do you pay the hooker or roll your eyes and demand it should be free because she didn't make you cum in 30 seconds or less?


/here for a good time
//not a long time
///for the sunshiny day.
 
Palined Parenthood
2022-07-06 12:27:59 AM  
Nobody is suggesting SCOTUS wants to restrict the right to vote; they just want to leave it up to the states. This is actually good news for individual liberty.

*wretches*
 
Palined Parenthood
2022-07-06 12:28:29 AM  

Chris Crude: somedude210: DOJ doesn't do something fast enough
Farkers: "DAMMIT, Garland, DO SOMETHING"

DOJ does something
Farkers: "Oh look, DOJ did something*yawn*"

/When you get laid, do you pay the hooker or roll your eyes and demand it should be free because she didn't make you cum in 30 seconds or less?

Jokes on you! I always cum in 30 seconds or less! Wait...


Found Moderator's alt!
 
scanman61
2022-07-06 12:52:16 AM  

Mad-n-FL: Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?

Because, like a drivers license gives you the right to drive, after proving yourself legal to drive; a voter registration card has already required you to prove your citizenship in order to register to vote.


Prove?  No

Attest to?  Yes.

All you have to do is check Yes where it says "Are you an American citizen?       Yes    No"  You don't have to prove anything.
 
Master P but not that one
2022-07-06 12:57:06 AM  
When it comes to disparity of IDs I think of when I moved to a tiny Appalachian town in KY. I got my drivers license without my wallet, zero proof of ID, but the guy lived next to the guy that hired me and heard I was moving into town that week.

Voted in a primary in which I put my vote in a shoe box with 200 other people and nobody watching the show box.

Voted in a presidential election where everybody just signed a sheet of paper and told the poll worker who I lived beside.

It voted 99% Republican. Any chance of voter fraud?
 
gaspode
2022-07-06 1:15:24 AM  
Dont worry the scrotus will fix the mistake made by the old scotus
 
My Klezmer Metal Cover Band
2022-07-06 1:20:38 AM  

Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?


Verifying citizenship wouldn't be a bad thing. If that was ever the intent, anyway.

But it's not and it wasn't. The GOP decided long ago it didn't want it need votes from communities of color. Among communities of color, you know who are the strongest and most reliable voters in the rainbow of interest that masquerades as the Democratic Party? Black women that's who. And who are the most strongest and most reliable? Old Black women.

To take just one recent example, if not for the staunch public voluntarism (and inevitable brow-beatings at home) of this single cohort - old Black women - Twumpy could very well still be president. (Well it was really old Black women and the Navajo who saved our asses but these problems are intertwined as you will see in a moment.)

Now. Who do you suppose, out of all the political subdivisions in this country, is the least likely to possess Papieren in the rigorously GOP-approved style? Did you say Black women?

"Oh I'm sorry Winnifred, I know you've been voting here since 1952 but the law is the law. You'll need to bring your original birth certificate to the State Registrar. What's that? You were born at home and have never had a birth certificate?! Well, that is a poser. It's going to take some time to figure out, I'm afraid. Geez, I can't even legally give you a provisional ballot now. I'm ever so sorry.

Better luck next time."

That's why it's bad. Because that is its purpose. Its sole purpose. This shiat has never had any other purpose.

Now guess which other group of people often has problems getting approved, voting-worthy state IDs and if you answered a farkton of American citizens living on one of the 326 reservations then bravo, you've identified another reason. The GOP has decided they simply don't want these votes. But they can't just let them vote for the illegitimate baby-eating groomers of the Democrat Party, either, now can they? So they need to create the conditions wherein Winnifred cannot vote. Thus it is the law taking a big steaming dump on Winnifred's supposedly sacred franchise and not the hatebag shiatstains of the Republican Party. They may have written and will enforce these laws in search of an ever-more-perfect white supremacy.

But it's the law.

And the law's the law.

And what could be so bad about proving your citizenship anyway.
 
erik-k [OhFark]
2022-07-06 1:27:04 AM  

somedude210: DOJ doesn't do something fast enough
Farkers: "DAMMIT, Garland, DO SOMETHING"

DOJ does something
Farkers: "Oh look, DOJ did something*yawn*"

/When you get laid, do you pay the hooker or roll your eyes and demand it should be free because she didn't make you cum in 30 seconds or less?


These two "something"s are not the same thing.
 
Kuta
2022-07-06 4:34:56 AM  

Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?


Define citizenship.

Define how one proves citizenship.

Define why it is necessary to prove one's citizenship.

Define property.
 
somedude210 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-07-06 5:12:04 AM  

Chris Crude: somedude210: DOJ doesn't do something fast enough
Farkers: "DAMMIT, Garland, DO SOMETHING"

DOJ does something
Farkers: "Oh look, DOJ did something*yawn*"

/When you get laid, do you pay the hooker or roll your eyes and demand it should be free because she didn't make you cum in 30 seconds or less?

Jokes on you! I always cum in 30 seconds or less! Wait...


So you should be paying *her*! :-P
 
NathanAllen
2022-07-06 7:23:41 AM  
Settled law is something republicans love to wipe their asses with.
 
the money is in the banana stand
2022-07-06 10:33:09 AM  

Dinjiin: the money is in the banana stand: You should have to prove citizenship to register to vote, but you should not have to prove citizenship to vote.

Only if the state provides identification, research, and transportation (you to them or them to you) at no cost.  So if some paraplegic dude living on disability out in Supai doesn't have a state-issued birth certificate or ID, but has other documents to support that they were born in the US, you need to foot the bill.

Then when 99.9% of the state's voting age population has sufficient ID, then you can start turning folks away at registration.


Since people like bringing up the 2A, guns are not subsidized and given to citizens. You cannot purchase without an ID. Why would registering or voting be different? Why does that have to be subsidized?
 
Dinjiin [BareFark]
2022-07-06 10:47:54 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Dinjiin: the money is in the banana stand: You should have to prove citizenship to register to vote, but you should not have to prove citizenship to vote.

Only if the state provides identification, research, and transportation (you to them or them to you) at no cost.  So if some paraplegic dude living on disability out in Supai doesn't have a state-issued birth certificate or ID, but has other documents to support that they were born in the US, you need to foot the bill.

Then when 99.9% of the state's voting age population has sufficient ID, then you can start turning folks away at registration.

Since people like bringing up the 2A, guns are not subsidized and given to citizens. You cannot purchase without an ID. Why would registering or voting be different? Why does that have to be subsidized?


In my state, private party firearm sales do not require an ID.
 
Avigdore
2022-07-06 11:12:30 AM  

Mad-n-FL: Because, like a drivers license gives you the right to drive, after proving yourself legal to drive; a voter registration card has already required you to prove your citizenship in order to register to vote.


Literally the first line of the article:
The Justice Department sued the state of Arizona Tuesday to block a law that would require proof of citizenship to register to vote in the state.
 
Endive Wombat
2022-07-06 1:58:50 PM  

nicholas m schumacher: Master P but not that one: These days I'm automatically on guard against anything the GOP does because of... well ya know all the evil.

But I do need a little more explanation as to why verifying citizenship is a bad thing when trying to vote? I know their have to be shenanigans so how are the GOP using this for shenanigans?

Because illegally voting has a risk-reward that doesn't actually benefit the person committing voter fraud is looking at not just 5 years of detention, but in this case deportation. For what? One vote?

Also, verifying citizenship comes up when you register, not actually vote. So there's also that.


Follows the same principle as the self-service newspaper box, dispenser thing. Yes, you could grab all 10 newspapers in that box, but there is no incentive to grab more than one.
 
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