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(NPR)   We've reached the point in the opioid epidemic where Republican-appointed district judges begin absolving corporations of all responsibility   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-07-05 12:15:25 PM  
The argument made by corporate killers to the republican judge summarize.
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2022-07-05 12:15:30 PM  
The victims of this scourge are the only ones that will pay for it.  Along with the taxpayers.  Socialized losses is what America is all about.
 
2022-07-05 12:26:11 PM  
The best legality money can buy.
 
2022-07-05 1:01:48 PM  
You helped give us these judges WV.  Have fun finding out.
 
2022-07-05 2:28:48 PM  
At least they're still keeping us safe from young black men with small amounts of marijuana.
 
2022-07-05 2:29:05 PM  
Of course it is. New America everyone.
 
2022-07-05 2:29:26 PM  
A less scrupulous version of myself might be inclined to start frequenting right wing boards on the internet and framing this as a White Genocide Being Perpetrated by The Pedophilic Elites, with the goal of creating friction between GOP voters and their bought and paid for politicians.

Anyway, how's everyone doing?
 
2022-07-05 2:32:22 PM  
The collective sound of the nation's shocked faces being made tore a hole in the space-time continuum!
 
2022-07-05 2:32:45 PM  
They sure are spending a lot of time talking to judges.

Question, why do others who have to wait to talk to judges do so from the confines of a 5x5 room paid for by the state and others get to walk around free?

Oh, right, the amount of melanin contained in the dermis
 
2022-07-05 2:33:00 PM  
So what I'm hearing is that the only justice rich people will face is yours?

If I were a rich person I like to think I could arrange better outcomes than endorsing vigilante justice. Do they think that train has stops?
 
2022-07-05 2:35:34 PM  
David Faber is 80 and was appointed to the bench by George Bush. No, not W...his father.

Goddamned fossils.
 
2022-07-05 2:37:34 PM  
Responsibility for thee, not for me!
 
2022-07-05 2:38:04 PM  
Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.
 
2022-07-05 2:38:32 PM  
I wonder if it's all as simple as preferential treatment by class, or if maybe they're balancing out an equation somewhere. Like "Sure this pharmaceutical ceo who killed 100k people only got a slap on the wrist, but we sent this kid away for 50 years for selling a bag of weed so it all balances out.
 
2022-07-05 2:42:12 PM  
meanwhile a kid pedaling the same shiat on a street corner could be sentenced to life.

2 tier justice system...
 
2022-07-05 2:44:19 PM  

GhostOfSavageHenry: I wonder if it's all as simple as preferential treatment by class, or if maybe they're balancing out an equation somewhere. Like "Sure this pharmaceutical ceo who killed 100k people only got a slap on the wrist, but we sent this kid away for 50 years for selling a bag of weed so it all balances out.


Occam gonna cut someone, that's fo' sho'.
 
2022-07-05 2:44:41 PM  

misanthropicsob: David Faber is 80 and was appointed to the bench by George Bush. No, not W...his father.

Goddamned fossils.


Imagine punching the clock at 80 instead of sitting at a boathouse retired at freaking 80.  I will never understand people who define their existence by their job.

At dinner parties, if one of the first three questions out of your mouth is what I do to trade my time for capital to pay bills to sustain my right to exist in a system I was forced in to and don't agree with, I'm already kind of bored of you as a person.
 
2022-07-05 2:48:26 PM  
There's a dividing line you can draw between blue collar crime and white collar crime, and that line is "intent."  Blue collar crimes are primarily act-based crimes.  And white collar crimes are primarily intent-based crimes.

Now, you might think that most crimes have some kind of intent component.  But there are very real differences.  Intent in blue collar crimes is often something that is obvious or easy to infer from actions.  Possession with intent to distribute obviously involves "intent," but intent can be inferred from the act itself - if you have a lot of drugs, you presumably intended to distribute them.

White collar crimes see intent the opposite way.  Good faith is almost always presumed, so the intention to do bad things has to be rigorously investigated and proven.  And if you're even modestly careful about sticking to your lie, that can be impossible.  Judges and prosecutors also tend to have a mistaken view of intent that puts a further finger on the scale for white-collar criminals.  Legal intent is almost always the intention to complete an action, regardless of whether you knew the legal consequences of that action.  As fans of inspector gadget might recall, the golden rule is "ignorance of the law is no excuse."  But as we've seen with investigations/prosecutions of Trump-world, prosecutors often seem to let high profile individuals get away with saying "well, I didn't know I couldn't do that."  That's not the law.  But for white-collar crime, it is how things work.
 
2022-07-05 2:48:34 PM  

Dr. Bison: At least they're still keeping us safe from young black men with small amounts of marijuana.


While opening dispensaries in the legal states.
 
2022-07-05 2:49:43 PM  
Has anyone checked their stock portfolios?
 
2022-07-05 2:51:28 PM  

Mikey1969: Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.


Yeah the companies over producing opioids and supplying pharmacies with more than there are people in some towns is certainly not their fault.
 
2022-07-05 2:51:34 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: Of course it is. New America everyone.


You act like it wasn't always this way.
 
2022-07-05 2:51:57 PM  
That's enough pills to medicate the entire county for a month, but its probably not as bad as a few Florida counties.
 
2022-07-05 2:52:51 PM  
We do have government agencies that are supposedly monitoring things like why a sleepy town pharmacy serving a population of 2000 received 500,000 doses. But they aren't doing a very good jerb. The company exists to make a profit. If shipping doses is wrong they don't want to be right. So with government oversight they are supposed to be made to do right. The system is broken.
 
2022-07-05 2:54:06 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: Of course it is. New America everyone.



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Same as it ever was....
 
2022-07-05 2:55:38 PM  
This is really good. 
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2022-07-05 2:56:51 PM  
West Virginia's Supreme Court has only applied public nuisance law in the context of conduct that interferes with public property or resources.

Health strikes me as a significant public resource.
 
2022-07-05 2:58:26 PM  

farkitallletitend: We do have government agencies that are supposedly monitoring things like why a sleepy town pharmacy serving a population of 2000 received 500,000 doses. But they aren't doing a very good jerb. The company exists to make a profit. If shipping doses is wrong they don't want to be right. So with government oversight they are supposed to be made to do right. The system is broken.


A heroin dealer could use the same rationalization.
 
2022-07-05 2:58:58 PM  
This is my shocked face:
 
2022-07-05 3:05:06 PM  

Mikey1969: Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.


Yep, there's an entire series of issues at play here.

First is the direct advertising to end-users of prescription drugs. "Go ask your doctor for FixItAll, the brand new pill that will make [generic issue associated with advancing age] go away once and for all so you can spend more time focused on the things that matter [insert stock video of grandma hugging grandchild]."

Second is the education and outright bribery of doctors by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. Doctors don't go back to school to learn about drugs. They read about them in industry magazines or because the sales rep talks it up. "Let us teach you about all of these new studies that have come out explaining the benefits of FixItAll. See, even the AMA approves!"  Then, the sales rep pulls out a bunch of free office swag - pen holder, notepads, calendars, clocks - all with FixItAll emblazoned in huge letters. "Here, a gift from us to you. By the way, would you be interested in learning more? We'll pay all of your travel if you come to the annual FixItAll conference in San Diego this fall!"

Third is the stupidity and laziness of the slothful American public who are willing to do just about anything to look for a 'quick fix' solution to their problems combined with a healthcare system that doesn't travel with a patient. "I need me a doctor's note to get on the dis'bility so'in's I don't have to go down to do the Wal-Mart greetin no more." So they cry, cry, cry about how much pain they're in and if only they could get them the FixItAll how great life would be, and if one doctor doesn't prescribe, they go to the next, then the next, and the next, and because each subsequent doctor can't see the previous doctor's notes, they don't realise that the patient is just trying to find a patsy to hook them up with that sweet opioid and worker's disability combo. And, even if they are, isn't FixItAll a great drug? All those people in San Diego seemed to love it...

Of course the Pharma companies play a huge role here, but the system doesn't survive without people begging for the drug and unscrupulous doctors prescribing like mad.
 
2022-07-05 3:05:56 PM  

farkitallletitend: We do have government agencies that are supposedly monitoring things like why a sleepy town pharmacy serving a population of 2000 received 500,000 doses. But they aren't doing a very good jerb. The company exists to make a profit. If shipping doses is wrong they don't want to be right. So with government oversight they are supposed to be made to do right. The system is broken.


With the oversight, they get fined several million dollars of their several billion dollars profit, if and when they do get a fine.

That's what's broken.
 
2022-07-05 3:06:25 PM  
Corporations: we don't need oversight, torta will keep us in check.

Also corporations: torts shouldn't apply to us since we carefully distributed responsibility.
 
2022-07-05 3:07:06 PM  

Mikey1969: Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.


As if the pharmaceuticals didn't know that their drugs were being distributed in a harmful and illegal way
 
2022-07-05 3:08:26 PM  

farkitallletitend: We do have government agencies that are supposedly monitoring things like why a sleepy town pharmacy serving a population of 2000 received 500,000 doses. But they aren't doing a very good jerb. The company exists to make a profit. If shipping doses is wrong they don't want to be right. So with government oversight they are supposed to be made to do right. The system is broken.


It's hard to get a high paying job at a pharma company after your oversight rotation if you keep finding them guilty of violations.
 
2022-07-05 3:10:15 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: Of course it is. New America everyone.


New?
 
2022-07-05 3:11:59 PM  

Mikey1969: Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.


Pharmaceutical companies knowingly lied about the addictive quality of these medications.
 
2022-07-05 3:13:23 PM  

HerptheDerp: They sure are spending a lot of time talking to judges.

Question, why do others who have to wait to talk to judges do so from the confines of a 5x5 room paid for by the state and others get to walk around free?

Oh, right, the amount of melanin contained in the dermis


Oh please, like this is a racial issue.

It's due to the amount of green in their wallets.  The holy Job Creators(tm) are too busy doing Scrooge McDuck dives into their piles of money to have to deal with jail.
 
2022-07-05 3:13:34 PM  

Shaggy_C: Second is the education and outright bribery of doctors by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. Doctors don't go back to school to learn about drugs. They read about them in industry magazines or because the sales rep talks it up. "Let us teach you about all of these new studies that have come out explaining the benefits of FixItAll. See, even the AMA approves!"  Then, the sales rep pulls out a bunch of free office swag - pen holder, notepads, calendars, clocks - all with FixItAll emblazoned in huge letters. "Here, a gift from us to you. By the way, would you be interested in learning more? We'll pay all of your travel if you come to the annual FixItAll conference in San Diego this fall!"


You must be working with information a couple decades old, everything you wrote is a compliance issue, and several states have conflict of interest laws on top of federal acts, like the Physician Payment Sunshine Act.
 
2022-07-05 3:14:28 PM  

culebra: farkitallletitend: We do have government agencies that are supposedly monitoring things like why a sleepy town pharmacy serving a population of 2000 received 500,000 doses. But they aren't doing a very good jerb. The company exists to make a profit. If shipping doses is wrong they don't want to be right. So with government oversight they are supposed to be made to do right. The system is broken.

A heroin dealer could use the same rationalization.


Yes, they could, except for the whole Schedule 1 not accepted medical use status of heroin.
 
2022-07-05 3:15:03 PM  
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2022-07-05 3:27:53 PM  

Mikey1969: Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.



Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief...

... but you can't hold the entire pharmaceutical industry responsible for the actions a few sick and perverted individual companies...

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2022-07-05 3:30:06 PM  

Murkanen: Mikey1969: Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.

Pharmaceutical companies knowingly lied about the addictive quality of these medications.



Yes but TFA was about distributors who were sending 20 million pills to pharmacies that served 1500 people. I'm sure the distributors all said "the pharmas said these were non-addictive" as part of their defense.

Not that any reasonable person would actually believe that.
 
2022-07-05 3:37:22 PM  
The plaintiffs had sought more than $2.5 billion that would have gone toward abatement efforts.

No, it wouldn't.

It would have wound up in the general budgets of the states & municipalities, just like the tobacco settlement money did.
 
2022-07-05 3:39:55 PM  
"Perdue Pharma" and the "Sackler family" were distractions, meant to run interference for all the other manufacturers and their legal teams.

Perdue might as well be a political SHELL company.
 
2022-07-05 3:58:57 PM  

Meatsim1: Mikey1969: Well, considering that it's DOCTORS who write 'scrips, and not pharmaceutical companies, subby is really pointing fingers at the wrong people here.

As if the pharmaceuticals didn't know that their drugs were being distributed in a harmful and illegal way


There are pharma sales managers that knew exactly how much they were selling those small towns through a handful of doctors. Hard to get anyone to do the right thing when their bonuses are based on gross sales.
 
2022-07-05 4:01:38 PM  

BeesNuts: A less scrupulous version of myself might be inclined to start frequenting right wing boards on the internet and framing this as a White Genocide Being Perpetrated by The Pedophilic Elites, with the goal of creating friction between GOP voters and their bought and paid for politicians.

Anyway, how's everyone doing?


Go with that feeling.
 
2022-07-05 4:19:34 PM  
Sounds like somebody had a smart lawyer.  If you are an unpopular defendant who nonetheless is not guilty of the specific charge brought against you, always go with a bench trial (as opposed to a trial by jury).  It's your choice; choose wisely.
 
2022-07-05 4:19:46 PM  
Republicans love the Deep State.
 
2022-07-05 4:26:41 PM  
B-b-but corporations are ppl my friend
 
2022-07-05 4:33:10 PM  

HerptheDerp: misanthropicsob: David Faber is 80 and was appointed to the bench by George Bush. No, not W...his father.

Goddamned fossils.

Imagine punching the clock at 80 instead of sitting at a boathouse retired at freaking 80.  I will never understand people who define their existence by their job.

At dinner parties, if one of the first three questions out of your mouth is what I do to trade my time for capital to pay bills to sustain my right to exist in a system I was forced in to and don't agree with, I'm already kind of bored of you as a person.


They get addicted to the status.  It gets their kids good jobs and their wives good tee times.
 
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