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2022-07-05 6:44:04 PM  
I'm starting to think the cabals that secretly run the world are having some sort of contest to see what world power they can tank first.  We're in the lead, but the UK is nipping at our heels.
 
2022-07-05 9:14:01 PM  
Etonians. Fool me once, gargle me twice.

You can't get gargled again.
 
2022-07-05 9:15:30 PM  
good politics and being a good person are inversely proportional. Solve that problem, and we might get somewhere as a species.
 
2022-07-05 9:17:48 PM  

DarnoKonrad: good politics and being a good person are inversely proportional. Solve that problem, and we might get somewhere as a species.


No.
 
2022-07-05 9:20:13 PM  
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The call me the 'Pincher' too Seniors.
 
2022-07-05 9:20:58 PM  
BoJo will soon be introducing MP Clamps to Parliament.
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2022-07-05 9:21:11 PM  

kermit the forg: I'm starting to think the cabals that secretly run the world are having some sort of contest to see what world power they can tank first.  We're in the lead, but the UK is nipping at our heels.


The only problem with that is that there can't be THATmany cabals running the world; it will be fun to see them die in agony as their plans go to shiat.
 
2022-07-05 9:24:13 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: DarnoKonrad: good politics and being a good person are inversely proportional. Solve that problem, and we might get somewhere as a species.

No.


Ok, but don't act surprised when dingdong is still PM
 
2022-07-05 9:26:12 PM  
Of course. It's obvious that the upper class can treat the peasants as they please.

At least that's what it looks like is going on in Boris' head.
 
2022-07-05 9:32:37 PM  
Trump hired at least 3 known spousal abusers. It would be heartening to see the UK deal with that kind of shiat the right way. But what would stop Boris from just saying fark it, I'm not leaving? Norms and traditions?
 
2022-07-05 9:34:39 PM  
And he seemed so trustworthy before.
 
2022-07-05 9:35:12 PM  

EJ25T: kermit the forg: I'm starting to think the cabals that secretly run the world are having some sort of contest to see what world power they can tank first.  We're in the lead, but the UK is nipping at our heels.

The only problem with that is that there can't be THATmany cabals running the world; it will be fun to see them die in agony as their plans go to shiat.


Well, let's see...I'm thinking there's only five or so...the Lizard People, the Illuminati, the Vatican, the Aliens and the Reverse Vampires.  Have I forgotten anyone?
 
2022-07-05 9:36:38 PM  

kermit the forg: Have I forgotten anyone?


Etonians.
 
2022-07-05 9:45:23 PM  

mediaho: Trump hired at least 3 known spousal abusers. It would be heartening to see the UK deal with that kind of shiat the right way. But what would stop Boris from just saying fark it, I'm not leaving? Norms and traditions?


That'd be an interesting bet. Which happens first: Bojo not PM, Trump gets formally charged with a crime, or one of them dies?

Given Bojo can't be forced out for a year and Trump never gets consequences, I have no clue what the odds/favorite would be on that situation
 
2022-07-05 9:46:18 PM  

kermit the forg: I'm starting to think the cabals that secretly run the world are having some sort of contest to see what world power they can tank first.  We're in the lead, but the UK is nipping at our heels.


Russia passed us about 3 months ago. Britain is playing catch-up.
 
2022-07-05 9:52:43 PM  

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The call me the 'Pincher' too Seniors.


Hot town!  Summer in the city
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Squeeze you by the tittie!
 
2022-07-05 9:53:17 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: kermit the forg: Have I forgotten anyone?

Etonians.


I thought they were all either Illuminati or Lizard People.
 
2022-07-05 9:56:40 PM  

kermit the forg: PartTimeBuddha: kermit the forg: Have I forgotten anyone?

Etonians.

I thought they were all either Illuminati or Lizard People.


The Illuminati and Lizard People are merely the gay frog tools of Eton.
 
2022-07-05 9:59:22 PM  

TheManofPA: mediaho: Trump hired at least 3 known spousal abusers. It would be heartening to see the UK deal with that kind of shiat the right way. But what would stop Boris from just saying fark it, I'm not leaving? Norms and traditions?

That'd be an interesting bet. Which happens first: Bojo not PM, Trump gets formally charged with a crime, or one of them dies?

Given Bojo can't be forced out for a year and Trump never gets consequences, I have no clue what the odds/favorite would be on that situation


There is active talk of the 1922 Committee changing the rules to allow another vote of confidence before the year expires. I predict he'll be out by the end of the month at the latest, either after a VoC or a visit from the men in grey suits to tell him that he's lost the confidence of the parliamentary part and to do the honorable thing and resign.
 
2022-07-05 10:03:06 PM  
But does Morrissey still ride a cockhorse?
 
2022-07-05 10:06:45 PM  

ukexpat: There is active talk of the 1922 Committee changing the rules to allow another vote of confidence before the year expires. I predict he'll be out by the end of the month at the latest, either after a VoC or a visit from the men in grey suits to tell him that he's lost the confidence of the parliamentary part and to do the honorable thing and resign.


For the occasional impact of fact:

1. To change the current Tory rules, the 1922 Committee will have to approve them.
2. In a few weeks, membership of the 1922 Committee Executive will be decided; thereupon the rules might change.
3. There are no Men in Grey Suits capable of dissuading Johnson from his position as PM.

The only option is 2.
 
2022-07-05 10:07:10 PM  

Fart_Machine: But does Morrissey still ride a cockhorse?


Yes.
 
2022-07-05 10:20:53 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: ukexpat: There is active talk of the 1922 Committee changing the rules to allow another vote of confidence before the year expires. I predict he'll be out by the end of the month at the latest, either after a VoC or a visit from the men in grey suits to tell him that he's lost the confidence of the parliamentary part and to do the honorable thing and resign.

For the occasional impact of fact:

1. To change the current Tory rules, the 1922 Committee will have to approve them.
2. In a few weeks, membership of the 1922 Committee Executive will be decided; thereupon the rules might change.
3. There are no Men in Grey Suits capable of dissuading Johnson from his position as PM.

The only option is 2.


The queen can always get rid of him. Oh wait, they only do that for labour  pms
 
2022-07-05 10:24:59 PM  

guinsu: The queen can always get rid of him. Oh wait, they only do that for labour  pms


How have you come to this conclusion? It's not any part of the UK constitution as far as I am aware.

Elucidate.
 
2022-07-05 10:29:13 PM  
David Cameron put his dick in a dead pig's mouth.
 
2022-07-05 10:42:29 PM  
William IV dismissed Melbourne - oh sorry 'Lord' Melbourne, the last such PM tossed out on his can - for no other reason than he was opposed to the Whigs' ideas of reform. The Queen's royal prerogatives - this is a way of saying she possesses quite wide legal powers within the monarchy even if convention dictates she not use them except in utter extremity - include dismissing the head of 'her' government. There has been no Act of Parliament reducing that power to the zero it should be.

HM still possesses it. 

She probably won't do that, of course. It would tarnish her family's brand, or something. Perhaps only if Johnson lost a no confidence vote but refused to leave. And even then probably only if a viable replacement was lined up and ready to go. She would opine publicly that it is for Parliament to deal with its own unruly members and for "the great British public" to play final arbiter on all these decisions. She will probably do that anyway in coming days. 

But she could.
 
2022-07-05 11:06:19 PM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: She probably won't do that, of course. It would tarnish her family's brand, or something


It also wouldn't do any good. The Prime Minister is chosen by Parliament, not HM. With a PM by the House of Commons chosen, HM could reject them, but the consequences thereafter are dire: an immediate republic with all Crown lands seized.

The Queen is a head of state, with advisers in her ear and a shotgun placed at her right temple.

Keeps one honest, they'd say.
 
2022-07-05 11:20:30 PM  
If you can't trust this guy to lead your country, who can you trust?
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2022-07-05 11:21:33 PM  

Rannuci: If you can't trust this guy to lead your country, who can you trust?
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He was Game for a Laugh
 
2022-07-05 11:25:43 PM  
the Pincher

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2022-07-05 11:29:13 PM  
Right. They have this weird and unhappy marriage between a modern parliamentary democracy and the Divine Rule of The Queen. It's a bugaboo for some of them. It's why my father chose to spawn on these very shores hahaha why yes I am an anchor baby. And yeah. The PM is chosen by Parliament.

Who then, still not yet actually Prime Minister, must go begging to the current seatwarmer for permission to form a government. Permission is always given. The Waffembach von Stuttlebergs or whatever their real farking name is know the precariousness of their position in the world: It is a complete anomaly, never more than one quickie vote away from expropriation and Swiss exile. Thus they are exceedingly careful about their power and the uses and misuses thereof. Publicly careful I should say.

The reality is often another matter. From the private sight and alteration of bills 'affecting their interests' to child-rapist royal favorites and beyond. It is so in this case: The Queen can dismiss any PM at any time. She won't, as I have said. It would engender an unholy clusterfark that  could even end with the UK transfiguring  itself into the UR of B; they wouldn't be the first English speakers to dump their inbreds. So she won't ever do that or anything close to it.

But I'll bet a brand-new UK-flag Speedo in the size of your choice the palace is asked "why not" in coming days, most probably by the you-were-gonna-WHAT-with-our-charter BBC. The mood over yon is ugly. As ugly as I've ever seen it. The British are seething. And having been sold a bill of goods by an American president or five in my time in this rock ... I don't blame them a bit.
 
2022-07-05 11:33:42 PM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: Right. They have this weird and unhappy marriage between a modern parliamentary democracy and the Divine Rule of The Queen. It's a bugaboo for some of them. It's why my father chose to spawn on these very shores hahaha why yes I am an anchor baby. And yeah. The PM is chosen by Parliament.

Who then, still not yet actually Prime Minister, must go begging to the current seatwarmer for permission to form a government. Permission is always given. The Waffembach von Stuttlebergs or whatever their real farking name is know the precariousness of their position in the world: It is a complete anomaly, never more than one quickie vote away from expropriation and Swiss exile. Thus they are exceedingly careful about their power and the uses and misuses thereof. Publicly careful I should say.

The reality is often another matter. From the private sight and alteration of bills 'affecting their interests' to child-rapist royal favorites and beyond. It is so in this case: The Queen can dismiss any PM at any time. She won't, as I have said. It would engender an unholy clusterfark that  could even end with the UK transfiguring  itself into the UR of B; they wouldn't be the first English speakers to dump their inbreds. So she won't ever do that or anything close to it.

But I'll bet a brand-new UK-flag Speedo in the size of your choice the palace is asked "why not" in coming days, most probably by the you-were-gonna-WHAT-with-our-charter BBC. The mood over yon is ugly. As ugly as I've ever seen it. The British are seething. And having been sold a bill of goods by an American president or five in my time in this rock ... I don't blame them a bit.


It's a rare pleasure to see a post so demented, yet so correct.

It's like you're channelling the very spirit of Offler.
 
2022-07-05 11:48:18 PM  
Minister Michael Ellis confirmed Mr Johnson had been made aware of the complaint about Mr Pincher.

That's pretty damning info from Minister Nigel Mellish
 
2022-07-06 3:14:53 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: ukexpat: There is active talk of the 1922 Committee changing the rules to allow another vote of confidence before the year expires. I predict he'll be out by the end of the month at the latest, either after a VoC or a visit from the men in grey suits to tell him that he's lost the confidence of the parliamentary part and to do the honorable thing and resign.

For the occasional impact of fact:

1. To change the current Tory rules, the 1922 Committee will have to approve them.
2. In a few weeks, membership of the 1922 Committee Executive will be decided; thereupon the rules might change.
3. There are no Men in Grey Suits capable of dissuading Johnson from his position as PM.

The only option is 2.


My money is on his calling a snap GE if the rules are changed to force a further vote of no confidence, and it goes ahead.
Just out of sheer spite to those who've done him in, and through wanting to take a many of them with him as possible.
 
2022-07-06 3:21:10 AM  
The problem with calling an election is that Labour aren't exactly looking very electable either.

I have no idea who'd even win one now.
 
2022-07-06 3:24:51 AM  

Cyrene Valantion: The problem with calling an election is that Labour aren't exactly looking very electable either.

I have no idea who'd even win one now.


This is true, but at least there's some stability in labour over the last couple of years. The tories can't really claim to be the stable party at the moment. My gut says Lab minority government, with Lib-dem support, at the cost of referendum on actual PR instead of the farce of AV we were previously offered, and potentially a 3rd EU referendum.
 
2022-07-06 3:46:26 AM  
Since it's pretty ludicrous to believe Tories suddenly care about Boris lying, I'm wondering if he's about to completely shiat the bed over the border issue with Ireland and fark our economy even further.

It would explain the sudden exit of the money guys while all the loons and nutters stay loyal (mind you, never wise to read too much into the actions of loons and nutters).
 
2022-07-06 6:33:09 AM  
Lots of ministers lower down the ladder resigning now.

The Tories are discovering something the US people recently learned, if a leader 'refuses to do the decent thing and resign' there aren't actually many ways to make them.

Even Thatcher knew when the writing was on the wall and it was best to go. Boris won't go for any reason.

There is an interesting thing that could happen but it's improbable. If enough junior ministers resign their posts you could be left with a situation where there aren't enough MPs in his own party to fill the vacancies. I think that needs something like 100 more resignations though, so I doubt we'll get to that.

(Can you imagine Boris having to appoint Labour or even SNP MPs to government positions just to stay in power? That's be fun)
 
2022-07-06 7:10:49 AM  

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Apparently he only became stuck as he lied to the operator about his weight. Shocking I know.
 
2022-07-06 7:23:49 AM  
Boris is still attempting to deflect onto Starmer in PMQs today. He's not getting the usual 'hurrahs' from his back benches for his digs though.
 
2022-07-06 9:17:12 AM  

Cyrene Valantion: Lots of ministers lower down the ladder resigning now.


The list as of 14:15 according to the BBC website:
Cabinet
Chancellor Rishi Sunak
Health Secretary Sajid Javid

Ministers
Will Quince, education minister
Alex Chalk, solicitor general
Robin Walker, education minister
John Glen, Treasury minister
Victoria Atkins, justice minister
Jo Churchill, environment minister
Stuart Andrew, housing minister

Parliamentary private secretaries
Jonathan Gullis, Northern Ireland Office
Saqib Bhatti, Department of Health and Social Care
Nicola Richards, Department of Transport
Virginia Crosbie, Welsh Office
Laura Trott, Department of Transport
Felicity Buchan, Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
Selaine Saxby, Treasury
Claire Coutinho, Treasury
David Johnston, Department of Education

Others
Bim Afolami, vice-chairman of the Conservative Party for youth
Andrew Murrison, trade envoy to Morocco
Theodora Clarke, trade envoy to Kenya
 
2022-07-06 9:51:08 AM  

Mayhem_2006: Cyrene Valantion: Lots of ministers lower down the ladder resigning now.

The list as of 14:15 according to the BBC website:


Yeesh.  He's gonna run out of MPs willing to work for him.  (I know you don't have to hire from within Parliament, but it'll just make his position weaker.)
 
2022-07-06 10:07:16 AM  
And another 6 Ministers in the last hour:
Kemi Badenoch, levelling up minister
Neil O'Brien, levelling up minister
Alex Burghart, education minister
Lee Rowley, business minister
Julia Lopez, culture minister
Mims Davies, work and pensions minister
 
2022-07-06 10:21:45 AM  

Mayhem_2006: And another 6 Ministers in the last hour:
Kemi Badenoch, levelling up minister
Neil O'Brien, levelling up minister
Alex Burghart, education minister
Lee Rowley, business minister
Julia Lopez, culture minister
Mims Davies, work and pensions minister


BOJOCOIN TO THE MOON.

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2022-07-06 10:59:38 AM  
Quiet day at work, here another update of Resignations (4 more since the last update!):

Cabinet

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
Health Secretary Sajid Javid

Ministers
Will Quince, education minister
Alex Chalk, solicitor general
Robin Walker, education minister
John Glen, Treasury minister
Victoria Atkins, justice minister
Jo Churchill, environment minister
Stuart Andrew, housing minister
Kemi Badenoch, levelling up minister
Neil O'Brien, levelling up minister
Alex Burghart, education minister
Lee Rowley, business minister
Julia Lopez, culture minister
Mims Davies, work and pensions minister
Rachel Maclean, Home Office minister

Parliamentary private secretaries
Jonathan Gullis, Northern Ireland Office
Saqib Bhatti, Department of Health and Social Care
Nicola Richards, Department of Transport
Virginia Crosbie, Welsh Office
Laura Trott, Department of Transport
Felicity Buchan, Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
Selaine Saxby, Treasury
Claire Coutinho, Treasury
David Johnston, Department of Education
Duncan Baker, Department for Levelling Up
Craig Williams, Treasury
Mark Logan, Northern Ireland Office

Others
Bim Afolami, vice-chairman of the Conservative Party for youth
Andrew Murrison, trade envoy to Morocco
Theodora Clarke, trade envoy to Kenya
 
2022-07-06 11:18:10 AM  

Mayhem_2006: Quiet day at work, here another update of Resignations (4 more since the last update!):

Cabinet
Chancellor Rishi Sunak
Health Secretary Sajid Javid

Ministers
Will Quince, education minister
Alex Chalk, solicitor general
Robin Walker, education minister
John Glen, Treasury minister
Victoria Atkins, justice minister
Jo Churchill, environment minister
Stuart Andrew, housing minister
Kemi Badenoch, levelling up minister
Neil O'Brien, levelling up minister
Alex Burghart, education minister
Lee Rowley, business minister
Julia Lopez, culture minister
Mims Davies, work and pensions minister
Rachel Maclean, Home Office minister

Parliamentary private secretaries
Jonathan Gullis, Northern Ireland Office
Saqib Bhatti, Department of Health and Social Care
Nicola Richards, Department of Transport
Virginia Crosbie, Welsh Office
Laura Trott, Department of Transport
Felicity Buchan, Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
Selaine Saxby, Treasury
Claire Coutinho, Treasury
David Johnston, Department of Education
Duncan Baker, Department for Levelling Up
Craig Williams, Treasury
Mark Logan, Northern Ireland Office

Others
Bim Afolami, vice-chairman of the Conservative Party for youth
Andrew Murrison, trade envoy to Morocco
Theodora Clarke, trade envoy to Kenya


Current UK situation:
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2022-07-06 11:36:08 AM  
Boris is currently answering questions in a select committee meeting (ostensibly about the war in Ukraine).

One guy just tweeted his letter of no confidence out *while asking Boris a question*. Dayum.

Rumours now that a group of cabinet ministers are in the way over to tell him time is up.

I have visions of it going down like that scene in episode 3 where the Jedi tell Palpatine the jig is up.
 
2022-07-06 11:40:28 AM  

ukexpat: TheManofPA: mediaho: Trump hired at least 3 known spousal abusers. It would be heartening to see the UK deal with that kind of shiat the right way. But what would stop Boris from just saying fark it, I'm not leaving? Norms and traditions?

That'd be an interesting bet. Which happens first: Bojo not PM, Trump gets formally charged with a crime, or one of them dies?

Given Bojo can't be forced out for a year and Trump never gets consequences, I have no clue what the odds/favorite would be on that situation

There is active talk of the 1922 Committee changing the rules to allow another vote of confidence before the year expires. I predict he'll be out by the end of the month at the latest, either after a VoC or a visit from the men in grey suits to tell him that he's lost the confidence of the parliamentary part and to do the honorable thing and resign.


You might have nailed it even faster with the Gove story today. Might go faster than May post vote.

That said, if 4 more scandals and six more months pass, I still wouldn't be surprised if he was PM. This should end him but it seems like these things never apply anymore.
 
2022-07-06 11:56:29 AM  
Minister Michael Ellis confirmed Mr Johnson had been made aware of the complaint about Mr Pincher.

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2022-07-06 12:06:43 PM  
So the grey suits (including the new CotE) are apparently waiting for him at No 10 to tell him it's time to go.
 
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