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(DW)   Germany publishes data on first five years of gay marriage. Overall, the rate of same sex marriages dropped by about 12 percent. So there should be no more gay marriages in like 40 years   (dw.com) divider line
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2022-07-05 9:59:02 AM  
Sounds like gay marriage is destroying traditional gay marriage.
 
2022-07-05 10:05:24 AM  
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2022-07-05 10:06:47 AM  

koder: Sounds like gay marriage is destroying traditional gay marriage.


Well, gay marriage had already destroyed traditional straight marriage, so it had to pick a new target. The truth of the matter is that gay marriage is essentially an out-of-control killing machine that will not stop, ever, until it has destroyed everything in its path that can be labeled as "traditional." Traditional human culture is essentially doomed; we're pretty much going to be left with nothing but rubber ducky watches, TikTok videos about them, almond milk, and deep fried Oreos.
 
2022-07-05 10:07:50 AM  
So what you are saying is that, when legalized, there was a spike in gay marriages like they were waiting for it to become legalized.  Shut the front door!
 
2022-07-05 10:10:46 AM  
The first year it was legal was a combination of previous unmet demand (i.e., most of the couple who would have gotten married in past years had it been legal) and a baseline level of new demand from couples who were reaching the marriage stage.  The years after were dealing with the remaining previous unmet demand, and that year's new demand.  By now it's probably just new demand, though I suppose there may be some level of covid-era unmet demand that has to be worked through.  That wouldn't be unique to gay couples though.
 
2022-07-05 10:19:13 AM  

Pocket Ninja: koder: Sounds like gay marriage is destroying traditional gay marriage.

Well, gay marriage had already destroyed traditional straight marriage, so it had to pick a new target. The truth of the matter is that gay marriage is essentially an out-of-control killing machine that will not stop, ever, until it has destroyed everything in its path that can be labeled as "traditional." Traditional human culture is essentially doomed; we're pretty much going to be left with nothing but rubber ducky watches, TikTok videos about them, almond milk, and deep fried Oreos.


...mmmm.... deep fried Oreos.  I guess the future ain't so bad.
 
2022-07-05 10:32:39 AM  

Pocket Ninja: koder: Sounds like gay marriage is destroying traditional gay marriage.

Well, gay marriage had already destroyed traditional straight marriage, so it had to pick a new target. The truth of the matter is that gay marriage is essentially an out-of-control killing machine that will not stop, ever, until it has destroyed everything in its path that can be labeled as "traditional." Traditional human culture is essentially doomed; we're pretty much going to be left with nothing but rubber ducky watches, TikTok videos about them, almond milk, and deep fried Oreos.


Gay marriage is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear.
 
2022-07-05 10:49:02 AM  
So, "sham marriages" are down. That's good.
 
2022-07-05 10:51:35 AM  
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2022-07-05 10:51:56 AM  

mrshowrules: So what you are saying is that, when legalized, there was a spike in gay marriages like they were waiting for it to become legalized.  Shut the front door!


Ahem - did you clear your math through Nicki Haley?
 
2022-07-05 10:54:24 AM  
and Merrick Garland just sits there doing nothing.
 
2022-07-05 10:54:38 AM  
As a white hetro, why should I be care about gay marriage, abortions or black lives matter?
Those issues piss-off Republicans??
Well then, I'm totally on board.
 
2022-07-05 10:55:29 AM  
i'm interested in the gay divorce rate.  how do same sex couples fare in comparison to their counterparts?  not that it means anything i'm just curious.
 
2022-07-05 10:55:42 AM  
Oh, this is nothing.  When I was growing up, I was taught that being Gay was entirely from the "sexual revolution" of the 1970s, and once the USA was firmly and exclusively a Christian nation, that homosexuality would be phased-out and that there would be no Gay people in 40 years.

There are those who still believe this horseshiat.
 
2022-07-05 10:55:56 AM  
Who did Germany get gay married to? Happy 5th Anniversary!!
 
2022-07-05 10:58:14 AM  

mrshowrules: So what you are saying is that, when legalized, there was a spike in gay marriages like they were waiting for it to become legalized.  Shut the front door!


I'm more interested in the people who were so desperate to marry apparently ANYBODY that they went ahead and married someone they weren't attracted to. Traditional marriage rates should have absolute dick to do with gay marriage. This isn't 1950, you aren't considered weird anymore because you're not married.
 
2022-07-05 10:58:51 AM  
Someone asked me if I was pro gay marriage and I said no.  I let them stew for a few seconds and then said I was was pro equality and pro household stability.
 
2022-07-05 11:00:05 AM  

Mikey1969: Who did Germany get gay married to? Happy 5th Anniversary!!


Finland
 
2022-07-05 11:00:14 AM  
Buried at the bottom of the article.

"The impact of the coronavirus is also likely to have significantly affected statistics for both 2020 and 2021."
 
2022-07-05 11:09:31 AM  
I'm launching a campaign to outlaw gay divorce.
 
2022-07-05 11:09:50 AM  

RustyShock: Oh, this is nothing.  When I was growing up, I was taught that being Gay was entirely from the "sexual revolution" of the 1970s, and once the USA was firmly and exclusively a Christian nation, that homosexuality would be phased-out and that there would be no Gay people in 40 years.

There are those who still believe this horseshiat.


Fun fact: We're on the road to finding out!
 
2022-07-05 11:10:05 AM  

Fart_Machine: Buried at the bottom of the article.

"The impact of the coronavirus is also likely to have significantly affected statistics for both 2020 and 2021."


It's a pretty useless piece.

"There was a big rush when it became legal and then the plague hit.  Write 'er up, Bob.  Oh and put a graphic in there that would be a softball assignment for a fifth grader."
 
2022-07-05 11:12:44 AM  

RustyShock: Oh, this is nothing.  When I was growing up, I was taught that being Gay was entirely from the "sexual revolution" of the 1970s, and once the USA was firmly and exclusively a Christian nation, that homosexuality would be phased-out and that there would be no Gay people in 40 years.

There are those who still believe this horseshiat.


I believe that.

What in the last few months of American politics makes you think otherwise? One of our sitting SCOTUS Justices just flat-out SAID that's what he wants. If his dicta on just about anything else are the guidebook, it'll be mainstream GOP thinking before the end of this sentence.

// although I guess they got the timeline wrong - closer to 50 years
 
2022-07-05 11:14:07 AM  

fireside68: RustyShock: Oh, this is nothing.  When I was growing up, I was taught that being Gay was entirely from the "sexual revolution" of the 1970s, and once the USA was firmly and exclusively a Christian nation, that homosexuality would be phased-out and that there would be no Gay people in 40 years.

There are those who still believe this horseshiat.

Fun fact: We're on the road to finding out!


Even if they got everything they wanted, God would still make more Gay people.
 
2022-07-05 11:16:28 AM  

meat0918: Mikey1969: Who did Germany get gay married to? Happy 5th Anniversary!!

Finland


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2022-07-05 11:16:44 AM  
What is this article? And what are these comments? My IQ has dropped 12 percent just since I started reading this shiat
 
2022-07-05 11:21:25 AM  
They should have studies how many cats and dogs are now living together.
 
2022-07-05 11:23:13 AM  

RustyShock: Oh, this is nothing.  When I was growing up, I was taught that being Gay was entirely from the "sexual revolution" of the 1970s, and once the USA was firmly and exclusively a Christian nation, that homosexuality would be phased-out and that there would be no Gay people in 40 years.

There are those who still believe this horseshiat.


And some of them are on the Supreme Court.
 
2022-07-05 11:26:27 AM  

Mikey1969: Who did Germany get gay married to? Happy 5th Anniversary!!


Modern Germany was formed when Helmut Kohl got gay-married to Erich Honecker, merging the East German and West German republics into one fabulous new Germany.
 
2022-07-05 11:39:40 AM  
Getting married is a scam to begin with. A super fancy event that costs as much as a sports car (or more) to "celebrate" your change in tax filing status
 
2022-07-05 11:40:36 AM  
I'd imagine with COVID, marriages are down across the board. Yes, people can have their clout chasing Zoom weddings, but nothing beats a drunken party where two families' drama blend into a tie dye of weird.
 
2022-07-05 11:44:41 AM  

severedtoe: i'm interested in the gay divorce rate.  how do same sex couples fare in comparison to their counterparts?  not that it means anything i'm just curious.


Why do we need to view same-gender couples as categorically different from opposite-gender couples?

Also, many queer people are already in man-woman marriages, particularly bi people, so you can't even draw a queer/straight line along gender in marriage.

/and that's not even getting into the fact that some people are genderqueer/NB and don't fit either arbitrary category of marriage.
 
2022-07-05 11:45:21 AM  

bighairyguy: Someone asked me if I was pro gay marriage and I said no.  I let them stew for a few seconds and then said I was was pro equality and pro household stability.


Your little joke would literally make a queer person feel unsafe.
 
2022-07-05 11:47:05 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Getting married is a scam to begin with. A super fancy event that costs as much as a sports car (or more) to "celebrate" your change in tax filing status


It's one of the few ways that queer people could access partnership rights. People love to say "You can just get a lawyer to draw up some papers," but queer people can tell you how gleefully bigots will ignore those papers if they don't say "married" on them. Lots of queer people have been denied hospital visitation rights despite having all their paperwork in place, because that paperwork didn't say they were legally married.
 
2022-07-05 11:57:00 AM  
Cool, that means the initial demand has more or less been taken care of and they're now just proportional to the size of their demographic marriage-wise?

Seems like things are going boringly well with legalization, then.  Sort of like all the places that legalized various drugs and had their crime rates stay on literally the exact same trend-line without so much as a bump for everything except the specifically related drug crimes.  Almost like this is a normal thing that has no broader impact on society whatsoever beyond the one thing the law says on the tin.
 
2022-07-05 11:57:30 AM  

austerity101: severedtoe: i'm interested in the gay divorce rate.  how do same sex couples fare in comparison to their counterparts?  not that it means anything i'm just curious.

Why do we need to view same-gender couples as categorically different from opposite-gender couples?

Also, many queer people are already in man-woman marriages, particularly bi people, so you can't even draw a queer/straight line along gender in marriage.

/and that's not even getting into the fact that some people are genderqueer/NB and don't fit either arbitrary category of marriage.


My ex-wife came out, got remarried, divorced in a year, and another year later is U-Hauling herself into #3.

Despite the first few years of Incel-levels of self-loathing, I really hope she is happy with her life now.

/she was bi
//so was i
///now she's "full lesbian" and I'm "bi-retired"
////Sexual identity is fluid to me
 
2022-07-05 12:06:07 PM  

Concrete Donkey: Getting married is a scam to begin with. A super fancy event that costs as much as a sports car (or more) to "celebrate" your change in tax filing status


Getting married is literally the only way to choose someone to outrank all blood relatives for property and legal rights. And it can be done for under a hundred bucks in most towns. You don't have to have the fancy event to be legally married, and there are people who have the fancy event but aren't married due to failure to file the proper paperwork. Marriage and the event are frequently done together, but not always. That's why the event has a different name: a wedding.
 
2022-07-05 12:07:46 PM  

Mikey1969: mrshowrules: So what you are saying is that, when legalized, there was a spike in gay marriages like they were waiting for it to become legalized.  Shut the front door!

I'm more interested in the people who were so desperate to marry apparently ANYBODY that they went ahead and married someone they weren't attracted to. Traditional marriage rates should have absolute dick to do with gay marriage. This isn't 1950, you aren't considered weird anymore because you're not married.


During Don't Ask Don't Tell, a gay friend of mine married a straight woman so she could use his medical benefits from the Air Force, and he couldn't get married at the time anyway.
 
2022-07-05 12:11:31 PM  

severedtoe: i'm interested in the gay divorce rate.  how do same sex couples fare in comparison to their counterparts?  not that it means anything i'm just curious.


I can't answer for Germany, but in the US it is lower for gay couples.  At least male couples...

Straight 19%

Gay 16%

Lesbian couples top the charts at 34%
 
2022-07-05 12:16:28 PM  
Apparently they have run out of "people who were waiting for decades for the laws to change to get married"
 
2022-07-05 12:23:47 PM  

bighairyguy: Someone asked me if I was pro gay marriage and I said no.  I let them stew for a few seconds and then said I was was pro equality and pro household stability.


I'm more amateur gay marriage myself., Don't really consider myself a pro.
 
2022-07-05 12:24:59 PM  

Mikey1969: mrshowrules: So what you are saying is that, when legalized, there was a spike in gay marriages like they were waiting for it to become legalized.  Shut the front door!

I'm more interested in the people who were so desperate to marry apparently ANYBODY that they went ahead and married someone they weren't attracted to. Traditional marriage rates should have absolute dick to do with gay marriage. This isn't 1950, you aren't considered weird anymore because you're not married.


This is actually a valid point in a modern country that takes care of its population.

In the US there's benefits like insurance and tax breaks for getting married (unless you're poor).

But there's not really that need.

I have a feeling it's just old standards/traditions that if you love somebody it's just what you do.
 
2022-07-05 12:27:25 PM  
Suppose the number of marriages that end in divorce are 50%.
Suppose gay or straight doesn't affect this.

Suppose that early adopters are way too optimistic.  There is no data for the first five years of the introduction of straight marriage, however the relative difficulty of divorce signals religious/government pressure to stay married.

Suppose that civil contracts made the legal benefits of marriage complete -- like hospital visits, inheritance, retirement spousal benefits, tax benefits  and perhaps the paper work was actually simpler.

A better stat would be number of children born out of "wedlock" which means "non-vampire" children. That went from 28% to 40% in the last 30 years in the US.    It could mean the actual institution of marriage has fundamentally changed (or it never was what it claimed to be in the first place.)
 
2022-07-05 12:30:56 PM  

BitwiseShift: Suppose the number of marriages that end in divorce are 50%.


Suppose that people pulled their head out of their ass and realized that divorce is a good thing, instead of spreading christian propaganda to force a bad couple to stay together instead of doing whats good for everyone involved
 
2022-07-05 12:31:51 PM  

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I came here for Disco Stu, and I leave sassyfied.
 
2022-07-05 12:38:27 PM  
I prefer all types of people and cultures come to terms with how universally terrible marriage is.

Everyone is on the Crazy vs. Hot and/or Rich graph and just what amount of shait you can put up with
 
2022-07-05 12:59:21 PM  

BitwiseShift: Suppose the number of marriages that end in divorce are 50%.
Suppose gay or straight doesn't affect this.

Suppose that early adopters are way too optimistic.  There is no data for the first five years of the introduction of straight marriage, however the relative difficulty of divorce signals religious/government pressure to stay married.

Suppose that civil contracts made the legal benefits of marriage complete -- like hospital visits, inheritance, retirement spousal benefits, tax benefits  and perhaps the paper work was actually simpler.

A better stat would be number of children born out of "wedlock" which means "non-vampire" children. That went from 28% to 40% in the last 30 years in the US.    It could mean the actual institution of marriage has fundamentally changed (or it never was what it claimed to be in the first place.)


It already changed from man owns woman to equal partnership.
 
2022-07-05 1:16:43 PM  

12349876: It already changed from man owns woman to equal partnership.


Not according to my wife and she's a former law professor.
 
2022-07-05 1:22:08 PM  

mrshowrules: So what you are saying is that, when legalized, there was a spike in gay marriages like they were waiting for it to become legalized.  Shut the front door!


This. We really need to prioritize teaching logic in schools. Because most Americans seem to have no farking idea how it works.
 
2022-07-05 1:51:31 PM  

dkulprit: severedtoe: i'm interested in the gay divorce rate.  how do same sex couples fare in comparison to their counterparts?  not that it means anything i'm just curious.

I can't answer for Germany, but in the US it is lower for gay couples.  At least male couples...

Straight 19%

Gay 16%

Lesbian couples top the charts at 34%


I would assume children would be a factor.  Either biological or adopted.
 
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