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2022-07-05 6:35:14 AM  
Welp, coulda been worse, but there's nothing we can do about this more or less. fark it.
 
2022-07-05 6:36:59 AM  
Meh, they're paid for it. The tree of liberty watering and all that.
 
2022-07-05 6:42:14 AM  
But this is a normal occurrence in Philly, isn't it?
 
2022-07-05 6:45:09 AM  
The 4th of Pew-Ly.
 
2022-07-05 6:54:05 AM  
One officer sustained a graze wound to the head

Maybe someone thought the cop was a zombie and wanted to stop the apocalypse before it began.
 
2022-07-05 6:55:19 AM  
But were they white?  I can't know how to feel about this unless I know the skin color of the officers snd shooter.
 
2022-07-05 6:57:55 AM  
Mayor Jim Kenney lamented what he said was people's easy access to guns. He laid the blame on the Republican-controlled state legislature, whichprevents Philadelphia from enacting stricter gun control measures, as well as the U.S. Congress

How dare he politicize this by pointing out that the GOP are garbage people!
 
2022-07-05 7:14:37 AM  
They're cops. They deserve it. Next?
 
2022-07-05 8:03:43 AM  
"Mayor Jim Kenney, who was also at the news conference, did not mince words when asked about the gun crisis in the city.

"If I had the ability to take care of guns. I would. But the legislature won't let us. The U.S. Congress won't let us. The governor does the best he can. Our Attorney General does the best he can. But this is a gun country. It's crazy," he said."


If I were the PA State Legislature, I'd pass a set of strict gun laws just to expose that turd Kenney for the weak clown that he is.
 
2022-07-05 8:08:23 AM  
Shootings near Chicago and in Philadelphia, both at Independence Day events?

Clearly this is a terrorist conspiracy against freedom by the Antifa Marxist Fascist Soros-Gates-Obama syndicate!

/won't someone think of the freedom-loving white Christian male children who might die before they ever get to hold a gun?
 
2022-07-05 8:23:54 AM  

Feel_the_velvet: "Mayor Jim Kenney, who was also at the news conference, did not mince words when asked about the gun crisis in the city.

"If I had the ability to take care of guns. I would. But the legislature won't let us. The U.S. Congress won't let us. The governor does the best he can. Our Attorney General does the best he can. But this is a gun country. It's crazy," he said."

If I were the PA State Legislature, I'd pass a set of strict gun laws just to expose that turd Kenney for the weak clown that he is.


literally the only person I'd ever seen who wanted a person who defended themselves from a home invasion charged with assault.

And let's not forget that he's really pushing to charge a person or two who weren't charged by Krasner for defending themselves during the South St. shooting last month.  Charge a guy with battery for hitting someone who was trying to shoot you?  WTF?
 
2022-07-05 8:34:49 AM  
The Freedom to shoot my gun in random directions
 
2022-07-05 8:42:03 AM  

Feel_the_velvet: "Mayor Jim Kenney, who was also at the news conference, did not mince words when asked about the gun crisis in the city.

"If I had the ability to take care of guns. I would. But the legislature won't let us. The U.S. Congress won't let us. The governor does the best he can. Our Attorney General does the best he can. But this is a gun country. It's crazy," he said."

If I were the PA State Legislature, I'd pass a set of strict gun laws just to expose that turd Kenney for the weak clown that he is.


Yeah, passing desperately needed gun control legislation, that'd really stickit to those liberal pussies!
 
2022-07-05 9:09:47 AM  
Hordes of obese, drugged-up, liquored-up, inked-up, morans, er...citizens watching fireworks that commemorate a historical event of the former republic no one knows any details about, all the while murdering each other for no reason whatsoever...well, maybe for entertainment.   Meanwhile, as the homeland crumbles, the imperial rulers spend the national treasure, and what's left of the manpower, on confronting the barbarians of the East.   Sound familiar?  Yup, history repeats....first time as tragedy, second time as farce.
 
2022-07-05 9:39:40 AM  
Womp womp.

Payback for Uvalde.
 
2022-07-05 9:40:08 AM  
They signed up for it. Deal with it.
 
2022-07-05 9:46:49 AM  
Thoughts and prayers!
 
2022-07-05 9:52:38 AM  
ohno-anyway.jpg
 
2022-07-05 9:55:06 AM  
That's one hell of a hat for it's fabric to stop a bullet the way it did, with signs of only having very very minimal damage.
 
2022-07-05 10:06:38 AM  
Head and shoulder shots. Somebody was trying to kill.
 
2022-07-05 10:09:55 AM  
What does it matter if they were cops? They were people who were shot. They're not any more special than anyone else there.
 
2022-07-05 10:11:31 AM  
Sometimes, stuff like this happens. It's just the cost of doing the right to keep & bear. I mean, what are we supposed to do? It's not like a law was gonna prevent this. The most we can do is just move on & celebrate the 4th.
 
2022-07-05 10:14:52 AM  
I have an absurd theory that when the Liberty Bell was fractured it led to a rip in space-time that led us to this post-truth dystopian American hellscape timeline. We must anneal that fracture by a master blacksmith who goes by the name of Dugg Money to repair our future
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/yes I'm joking
 
2022-07-05 10:16:02 AM  

berylman: I have an absurd theory that when the Liberty Bell was fractured it led to a rip in space-time that led us to this post-truth dystopian American hellscape timeline. We must anneal that fracture by a master blacksmith who goes by the name of Dugg Money to repair our future
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Meh, it's as good a theory as any...
 
2022-07-05 10:20:25 AM  

austerity101: What does it matter if they were cops? They were people who were shot. They're not any more special than anyone else there.


Except for generally being above the law.
 
2022-07-05 10:34:25 AM  
Cant we just move on and celebrate freedom?

/also, were all the guns involved ok?
 
2022-07-05 11:01:48 AM  

lilbjorn: austerity101: What does it matter if they were cops? They were people who were shot. They're not any more special than anyone else there.

Except for generally being above the law.


Bullets don't care about the law. Cops are as shootable as anyone else. They could use a reminder.
 
2022-07-05 12:27:53 PM  

austerity101: lilbjorn: austerity101: What does it matter if they were cops? They were people who were shot. They're not any more special than anyone else there.

Except for generally being above the law.

Bullets don't care about the law. Cops are as shootable as anyone else. They could use a reminder.


Ignoring my sarcasm from earlier, it's imperative that cops not only learn that they're not bulletproof or off limits to getting hurt, but also that they face consequences for their actions.

That especially means that they have to live with being targets above and beyond anything else because of all the bullshiat they've done, and they can't whine or flex privilege as special victims to get out of it.

I don't necessarily want individual cops to die specifically. But as a whole, they have done horrific things to people, and they need to feel the consequences for that.

Abolishing the police would probably save us from future atrocities, but it does nothing to make up for the More-Than-A-Century of systemic farkery they've imposed.
 
2022-07-05 12:32:48 PM  

austerity101: What does it matter if they were cops? They were people who were shot. They're not any more special than anyone else there.


It matters because it calls out and highlights cases where cops are finally facing consequences for the shiat they do to other people.

Your average joe schmoe going about his business getting shot is a bad thing.  Cops and all of the misery and death and hate they've created/perpetuated, along with the specific decisions they've made to go into that field even knowing what Policing is in this country, need to finally experience the consequences of what they've done.

And since we won't abolish the police as you keep arguing for, nor will we likely get any meaningful police reform any time soon, something's gotta give.
 
2022-07-05 12:36:24 PM  

CarnySaur: Mayor Jim Kenney lamented what he said was people's easy access to guns. He laid the blame on the Republican-controlled state legislature, whichprevents Philadelphia from enacting stricter gun control measures, as well as the U.S. Congress

How dare he politicize this by pointing out that the GOP are garbage people!


Just like a Democrat to implement policies that make things worse, while blaming it on the opposition and claiming that more of the same policies will make it better.

Being soft on crime and hard on the police does not magically reduce crime; quite the opposite.
 
2022-07-05 2:16:00 PM  

Animatronik: CarnySaur: Mayor Jim Kenney lamented what he said was people's easy access to guns. He laid the blame on the Republican-controlled state legislature, whichprevents Philadelphia from enacting stricter gun control measures, as well as the U.S. Congress

How dare he politicize this by pointing out that the GOP are garbage people!

Just like a Democrat to implement policies that make things worse, while blaming it on the opposition and claiming that more of the same policies will make it better.

Being soft on crime and hard on the police does not magically reduce crime; quite the opposite.


thisisbait.jpg

With that said, I'll bite.

What you don't seem to understand is that the crime rates in the United States are based on an incredibly complex set of circumstances that stems from generations of social and economic discrimination, classism, and a whole host of other factors.

We're continuing to reap the "benefits" of a monopolistic industrial environment born during the Industrial Revolution which itself was wholly intended to maximize the profits of the people who owned the monopolies at the expense of labor.

Educated labor, and/or united labor, poses a threat to profits because it means that the disposable commodities that run the machines and do the grunt work suddenly have a say in how they're treated and what they're paid, turning them from just another cog in the machines of industry into something else.  Even into some level of a peer, heaven forbid.

Add in the civil rights movement, with various underclasses demanding equal treatment, and now not only do you have the 'unwashed masses' demanding to be treated as human rather than chattel, you have them demanding an equal say in society itself.

Since then, the party that's accountable to businesses and moneyed interests has made every effort to ensure that "the system" is designed so that a certain group prospers and actually receives the full benefits of the 'American Dream', while everyone else has to either accept their place and whatever the system wants to give them, or face the wrong end of the cops, the draft, etc.

The people in charge are well aware of this, too, and have spent all that time ensuring that innumerable laws and policies are shaped in such a way that they give full cover and excuse to the discrimination and criminalization of the underclasses.

They've done it openly or covertly to Blacks, Chinese, practically every immigrant group that weren't 'natives' (e.g. anyone that came over during the big rush of immigration during the Industrial Revolution, including the italians, the irish, etc.)

Hell, we have representatives of presidents including Nixon flat out admitting that many of their policies, especially the 'War on Drugs' was designed as a cover to target minorities.

And over time, there's been a carefully crafted pecking order based on bigotry that's designed specifically to create conflict and class delineations between all of the 'common folk', because as long as the people at the bottom have someone they can look down on and feel superior to, they won't question what's happening to them.

Fast forward to today, and we have a country that ensures only a select percentage of the country are afforded a good education, the rest are kept ignorant to varying degrees.  We have a legal system that ensures that the people at the bottom of the food chain face far more violence, criminalization, and overall oppression than those anywhere near the top.  We have an economy that has worked hard to keep the 'better jobs' for those who are 'worthy' and denied every effort to ensure equal access to jobs to those people through redlining, undermining even decent public transportation, encouraging urban sprawl and decentralization, etc.

Throw in sabotaging/blocking every effort to force businesses to pay a living wage to ensure undesirables remain in abject poverty, blocking every effort to ensure social programs and support that would help those who don't have the privilege of access to good education and good jobs have a chance, blocking every effort to offer medical care and access to the very kinds of education and programs that teach people how to behave in ways other than being violent...the list goes on.

And through it all, the police have literally been continually protected and empowered to act not as equal arbiters of the law, but as the enforcers of the aforementioned social pecking order.

It's not even a secret at this point, since anyone who has read any amount of history or who has been paying attention over the past couple of decades already understands this.

Abolishing the police, or at least forcing some major accountability on them is intended to ensure that black people don't get killed for being black when dealing with police and making sure that people facing any sort of legal interaction are treated equitably.

That doesn't mean be soft on crime, that just means that cops don't just automatically shoot one group of people or treat them as a massive threat while giving another a pass.

Now, you are sorta right about one thing: we can't accomplish reforms or reduce violence and crime just by going after the cops or eliminating the bail system if we don't first address all of the socioeconomic, educational, and behavioral issues that drive crime in the first place to ensure that the people being handled by the system aren't overtly violent.  Without addressing the underlying causes and the behavior issues, you end up with problems like NYC is facing where violent criminals who should be locked up, and who would be if the judge was still able to assign an extremely high bail, get let loose because they can't deny bail altogether and end up allowing stupidly low bail amounts.

But, that's the net result of trying to fix the problem piecemeal at the level of the symptoms, not at the foundation/root of the problem.
 
2022-07-05 2:28:14 PM  

Animatronik: CarnySaur: Mayor Jim Kenney lamented what he said was people's easy access to guns. He laid the blame on the Republican-controlled state legislature, whichprevents Philadelphia from enacting stricter gun control measures, as well as the U.S. Congress

How dare he politicize this by pointing out that the GOP are garbage people!

Just like a Democrat to implement policies that make things worse, while blaming it on the opposition and claiming that more of the same policies will make it better.

Being soft on crime and hard on the police does not magically reduce crime; quite the opposite.


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2022-07-05 3:11:11 PM  
See?!?  This is what happens when there is no good guy with a gun!
 
2022-07-05 7:11:30 PM  

focusthis: See?!?  This is what happens when there is no good guy with a gun!


Nah, in Philly we just try to charge him as well.

Difficulty level: not white

https://www.inquirer.com/news/south-street-shooting-kenney-krasner-outlaw-20220608.html

/to be fair, we don't know who started the fight, but at least two dudes started beating the hell out of him while he was down, and he only drew a firearm and fired after one of them started shooting him
 
2022-07-05 8:01:16 PM  

Kit Fister: Animatronik: CarnySaur: Mayor Jim Kenney lamented what he said was people's easy access to guns. He laid the blame on the Republican-controlled state legislature, whichprevents Philadelphia from enacting stricter gun control measures, as well as the U.S. Congress

How dare he politicize this by pointing out that the GOP are garbage people!

Just like a Democrat to implement policies that make things worse, while blaming it on the opposition and claiming that more of the same policies will make it better.

Being soft on crime and hard on the police does not magically reduce crime; quite the opposite.

thisisbait.jpg

With that said, I'll bite.

What you don't seem to understand is that the crime rates in the United States are based on an incredibly complex set of circumstances that stems from generations of social and economic discrimination, classism, and a whole host of other factors.

We're continuing to reap the "benefits" of a monopolistic industrial environment born during the Industrial Revolution which itself was wholly intended to maximize the profits of the people who owned the monopolies at the expense of labor.

Educated labor, and/or united labor, poses a threat to profits because it means that the disposable commodities that run the machines and do the grunt work suddenly have a say in how they're treated and what they're paid, turning them from just another cog in the machines of industry into something else.  Even into some level of a peer, heaven forbid.

Add in the civil rights movement, with various underclasses demanding equal treatment, and now not only do you have the 'unwashed masses' demanding to be treated as human rather than chattel, you have them demanding an equal say in society itself.

Since then, the party that's accountable to businesses and moneyed interests has made every effort to ensure that "the system" is designed so that a certain group prospers and actually receives the full benefits of the 'American Dream', while everyone else has to either accept their place and whatever the system wants to give them, or face the wrong end of the cops, the draft, etc.

The people in charge are well aware of this, too, and have spent all that time ensuring that innumerable laws and policies are shaped in such a way that they give full cover and excuse to the discrimination and criminalization of the underclasses.

They've done it openly or covertly to Blacks, Chinese, practically every immigrant group that weren't 'natives' (e.g. anyone that came over during the big rush of immigration during the Industrial Revolution, including the italians, the irish, etc.)

Hell, we have representatives of presidents including Nixon flat out admitting that many of their policies, especially the 'War on Drugs' was designed as a cover to target minorities.

And over time, there's been a carefully crafted pecking order based on bigotry that's designed specifically to create conflict and class delineations between all of the 'common folk', because as long as the people at the bottom have someone they can look down on and feel superior to, they won't question what's happening to them.

Fast forward to today, and we have a country that ensures only a select percentage of the country are afforded a good education, the rest are kept ignorant to varying degrees.  We have a legal system that ensures that the people at the bottom of the food chain face far more violence, criminalization, and overall oppression than those anywhere near the top.  We have an economy that has worked hard to keep the 'better jobs' for those who are 'worthy' and denied every effort to ensure equal access to jobs to those people through redlining, undermining even decent public transportation, encouraging urban sprawl and decentralization, etc.

Throw in sabotaging/blocking every effort to force businesses to pay a living wage to ensure undesirables remain in abject poverty, blocking every effort to ensure social programs and support that would help those who don't have the privilege of access to good education and good jobs have a chance, blocking every effort to offer medical care and access to the very kinds of education and programs that teach people how to behave in ways other than being violent...the list goes on.

And through it all, the police have literally been continually protected and empowered to act not as equal arbiters of the law, but as the enforcers of the aforementioned social pecking order.

It's not even a secret at this point, since anyone who has read any amount of history or who has been paying attention over the past couple of decades already understands this.

Abolishing the police, or at least forcing some major accountability on them is intended to ensure that black people don't get killed for being black when dealing with police and making sure that people facing any sort of legal interaction are treated equitably.

That doesn't mean be soft on crime, that just means that cops don't just automatically shoot one group of people or treat them as a massive threat while giving another a pass.

Now, you are sorta right about one thing: we can't accomplish reforms or reduce violence and crime just by going after the cops or eliminating the bail system if we don't first address all of the socioeconomic, educational, and behavioral issues that drive crime in the first place to ensure that the people being handled by the system aren't overtly violent.  Without addressing the underlying causes and the behavior issues, you end up with problems like NYC is facing where violent criminals who should be locked up, and who would be if the judge was still able to assign an extremely high bail, get let loose because they can't deny bail altogether and end up allowing stupidly low bail amounts.

But, that's the net result of trying to fix the problem piecemeal at the level of the symptoms, not at the foundation/root of the problem.


TL;DR your bait gobbling.
 
2022-07-06 11:08:25 AM  

Snort: TL;DR your bait gobbling.


I called that out in the first couple of lines. :P
 
2022-07-06 2:31:42 PM  

Kit Fister: Snort: TL;DR your bait gobbling.

I called that out in the first couple of lines. :P


LOL That was just a lot of paragraphs for not taking the bait.

Sometimes you just have to let it all out.
 
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