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2022-07-05 7:43:53 AM  
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2022-07-05 8:40:05 AM  
I believe this but big long scary articles aren't going to convince the people that need convincing.

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2022-07-05 8:45:31 AM  
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2022-07-05 9:05:44 AM  
Autumn/winter should be fun
 
2022-07-05 9:06:59 AM  
My only take away is that I want the pharma companies to get on creating a counter to the latest version so I can take the shot and go back to not caring about the people that refuse to.

Plus a true surge would close my office again and the commute sucks.

We as a nation have chosen the every man for himself method of managing this, which is obviously on brand. Anyone too dull to even act in enlightened self interest won't really be missed.
 
2022-07-05 9:20:47 AM  
I'm holding off on my 4th dose until the fall. All my plans for the summer involve outdoors activities. Going to a bar or even restaurant now is a stupid plan.
 
2022-07-05 9:46:27 AM  
Covid sucks, you should be vaxxed and boosted by this point.  If not, go do it.  Wear a good N95 or KN95 mask when in  groups of people.

That said, Eric Dingl seems to be an alarmist.  Yes hospitalization in UK / London do seem to be rising.  From the dashboards I find, acure/critical care is not rising at the same rate. Also covid seems to be a secondary factor and not the primary factor driving care in hospitals.  From the graph, it does not seem to me that this would cause hospitals to be near the breaking point like it was a year ago or whatever.   To me, this seems to be alarmism.  Yes we should remain cautious but good luck getting back to shut down everything.  Its not just the US either that is dropping much of the caution seen in 2020, it is pretty well global.

Pretty much all of these graphs show ICU rates are not climbing along side of admissions as they did early in the pandemic.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/coronavirus--covid-19--cases

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

Yes I know this does not show what happens to those with long covid.  That is why you need to remain vaxxed, boosted, and masked.  But as far as new shutdowns and large quarantines, I don't see that happening outside of China.
 
2022-07-05 9:49:55 AM  
Paywall keeps getting in the way from me reading it.
 
2022-07-05 9:58:12 AM  
Also, this sounds like bullshiat to me:

Again, it's highly unlikely that the SARS-CoV-2 will get weaker over time. That would be like expecting different animal and plant species to get weaker over time. This just isn't the case as evidenced by the fact that the hot dog eating records keep getting higher and higher. Instead, natural selection tends to work in the opposite direction, selecting for mutations that confer more fitness to the virus.

Selection is about reproduction.  While he is correct in saying that we can't expect it to get weaker, we shouldn't assume it will get 'stronger'.  It seems like the better path for a virus to reproduce would be to not severely impact the host.  This is not a tiger competing against a lion and its certainly not a farking hot dog eating contest.  Human reproduction is not selected on the ability to eat hot dogs in a contest.

Covid is bad yes, but stop the bullshiat that covid deniers can use to downplay actual science.
 
2022-07-05 10:43:34 AM  
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2022-07-05 10:45:51 AM  
Covid's on the microphone with Ras MG.
 
2022-07-05 10:50:21 AM  

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I got BA5 in Europe last month and am double vaxxed and double boosted. The effects were minor and mostly noticed for two days. Instead of walking the usual 10 to 15 miles a day without a nap, I wanted to take a nap halfway through. I also sneezed more and got a bit congested. I think the vaccine and boosters helped keep it to a minimum and when the next vaccine or booster is release, I will get it too. Moderna for the win.
 
2022-07-05 11:22:20 AM  
Although antibodies ain't your entire immune response, this raises concerns that your immune system won't be able to readily recognize the BA.5.

That is annoying the crap out of me. And it's the second time he did it.
 
2022-07-05 12:27:47 PM  

wingnut396: Covid sucks, you should be vaxxed and boosted by this point.  If not, go do it.  Wear a good N95 or KN95 mask when in  groups of people.

That said, Eric Dingl seems to be an alarmist.  Yes hospitalization in UK / London do seem to be rising.  From the dashboards I find, acure/critical care is not rising at the same rate. Also covid seems to be a secondary factor and not the primary factor driving care in hospitals.  From the graph, it does not seem to me that this would cause hospitals to be near the breaking point like it was a year ago or whatever.   To me, this seems to be alarmism.  Yes we should remain cautious but good luck getting back to shut down everything.  Its not just the US either that is dropping much of the caution seen in 2020, it is pretty well global.

Pretty much all of these graphs show ICU rates are not climbing along side of admissions as they did early in the pandemic.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/coronavirus--covid-19--cases

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

Yes I know this does not show what happens to those with long covid.  That is why you need to remain vaxxed, boosted, and masked.  But as far as new shutdowns and large quarantines, I don't see that happening outside of China.


1. People not going to hospitals aren't declaring they've tested positive (so there's no way to get an accurate count of the number of infections, which is why he wrote the number of cases could be 20X higher).

2. The feedback I've read is the variants are in no way less dangerous than the original Omicron. Sure, fewer people die in hospitals compared to the early days of the pandemic, but thee variants are as dangerous to our immune and nervous systems in their immediate impact as Delta was. Blood cloths, damaged lungs and kidneys, to say nothing of long Covid

3. There doesn't seem to be any reasonable length of immunity. 4-6 weeks maybe? But that's it. Plus people getting reinfected generally report the second time is worse. What will happen the third time? The fourth? Good luck trying to run a society in the fall or winter, with anywhere between 5% to 20% of people are sick at any one time.

So, I don't see any alarmism here, just data-driven concern that nothing is being said. Nothing is being done.

It's like nobody's learned a goddamn thing. If governments are forced to reintroduce mask mandates in a few months, do you not think there'll be serious organized (violent) opposition?
 
2022-07-05 12:29:32 PM  

wingnut396: Also, this sounds like bullshiat to me:

Again, it's highly unlikely that the SARS-CoV-2 will get weaker over time. That would be like expecting different animal and plant species to get weaker over time. This just isn't the case as evidenced by the fact that the hot dog eating records keep getting higher and higher. Instead, natural selection tends to work in the opposite direction, selecting for mutations that confer more fitness to the virus.

Selection is about reproduction.  While he is correct in saying that we can't expect it to get weaker, we shouldn't assume it will get 'stronger'.  It seems like the better path for a virus to reproduce would be to not severely impact the host.  This is not a tiger competing against a lion and its certainly not a farking hot dog eating contest.  Human reproduction is not selected on the ability to eat hot dogs in a contest.

Covid is bad yes, but stop the bullshiat that covid deniers can use to downplay actual science.


Here's what we can assume: the more the virus replicates, the worst the odds (for us). And right now, we're doing everything we can to maximize the number of iterations it can spew out.
 
2022-07-05 12:47:12 PM  
Every infection risks progressive organ damage.

Every vaccination reduces the severity and infectivity.

Masks reduce aerosol particles that will spread COVID.

So if you like being able to be active without quickly being exhausted, or you're attached to your IQ points... wear a mask, get a shot, and don't go to large indoor gatherings.

The fact that this is impossible for a third of the population to accept just makes me yearn for a neo-eugenics movement.
 
2022-07-05 1:05:30 PM  
Spoiler alert. "The BA.5 story" ain't a positive one for the U.S. right now, unless many more people and politicians can somehow change the "let's pretend that it's over and not around anymore" approach

Well then STFU, reformulate the vaccine, and tell me when I can get it. After that, I can cheer on more Deplorables deaths.
 
2022-07-05 1:11:47 PM  

cfreak: I believe this but big long scary articles aren't going to convince the people that need convincing.

/ explain it like the reader is five
// concisely
/// what they can do and how there's hope


After nearly two and half years if people haven't figured out what they can/should do, let Darwin take them.
 
2022-07-05 1:32:22 PM  

rewind2846: cfreak: I believe this but big long scary articles aren't going to convince the people that need convincing.

/ explain it like the reader is five
// concisely
/// what they can do and how there's hope

After nearly two and half years if people haven't figured out what they can/should do, let Darwin take them.


Same with people who never figured out how to properly wear a mask. How the hell do they dress themselves?
 
2022-07-05 1:40:23 PM  
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2022-07-05 3:29:49 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: rewind2846: cfreak: I believe this but big long scary articles aren't going to convince the people that need convincing.

/ explain it like the reader is five
// concisely
/// what they can do and how there's hope

After nearly two and half years if people haven't figured out what they can/should do, let Darwin take them.

Same with people who never figured out how to properly wear a mask. How the hell do they dress themselves?


They know how to wear a mask, they're just being defiant.  Because they're aggressively stupid and ignorant.
 
2022-07-05 3:40:12 PM  

kdawg7736: Paywall keeps getting in the way from me reading it.


Forbes limits access to 6 articles per month... try incognito browsing or your cel (or a computer if you were on mobile)?
 
2022-07-05 4:00:19 PM  
Honestly we should still be doing mask mandates.
 
2022-07-06 1:06:14 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Every infection risks progressive organ damage.

Every vaccination reduces the severity and infectivity.

Masks reduce aerosol particles that will spread COVID.

So if you like being able to be active without quickly being exhausted, or you're attached to your IQ points... wear a mask, get a shot, and don't go to large indoor gatherings.

The fact that this is impossible for a third of the population to accept just makes me yearn for a neo-eugenics movement.


Though this only provides for a sample of 1, that line can't be stated enough.

I lived in the same house, normal size not a mansion, with two people with COVID a month ago. I wore my mask outside my room, they wore a mask outside of their respective rooms. I was sure I was going to get it when they tested positive. Nope.

To be fair I did block off the AC into the room and used a portable one, but still, Omicron is very contagious and I'm still surprised I didn't catch it then.
 
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