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(KWTX Waco)   Texas death row inmate asks for execution delay to donate a kidney. He is not motivated by a last-minute attempt to stop or delay his execution. [...] [T]his is something that Ramiro wants to do to help make his soul right with his God"   (kwtx.com) divider line
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2022-07-03 8:13:39 PM  
lasted less than 30 seconds
 
2022-07-03 8:15:05 PM  
I wanted to like his stand up, liked it in the past but I've grown up and he...uh...not only didn't but regressed.
 
2022-07-03 8:44:19 PM  
They also asked that his execution not proceed if his spiritual adviser isn't allowed to both hold his hand and place another hand on his heart during his execution. A two-day federal trial on this request was set to begin Tuesday in Houston.

And for his last meal, he wants a large bowl of M&Ms with no brown ones.
 
2022-07-03 8:57:27 PM  
Guess he wants the time to fill out his donor card...
 
2022-07-03 9:02:20 PM  
Ohh....this was the way wrong thread and I'm just now realizing it....backs away slowly
 
2022-07-03 9:14:39 PM  

meatwhistle: Ohh....this was the way wrong thread and I'm just now realizing it....backs away slowly


It's kind of fitting.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2022-07-03 9:28:07 PM  
Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.
 
2022-07-03 9:48:42 PM  

meatwhistle: Ohh....this was the way wrong thread and I'm just now realizing it....backs away slowly


I was wondering about prison standup and getting ideas.
 
2022-07-03 9:49:35 PM  
It's not like he's going to need the other one, so..

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2022-07-03 10:24:07 PM  

edmo: meatwhistle: Ohh....this was the way wrong thread and I'm just now realizing it....backs away slowly

I was wondering about prison standup and getting ideas.


"So what's the deal with swabbing my arm with alcohol before you inject me? Hey Doc, I don't want to die from pancuronium bromide, potassium chloride, midazolam and a nasty infection!"
 
2022-07-04 12:05:56 AM  

Dave and the Mission: It's not like he's going to need the other one, so..

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Dammit!
/Shakes tiny fist.
 
2022-07-04 12:20:59 AM  

433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.


Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?
 
2022-07-04 12:23:37 AM  
Okay, execution by vivisection is a bit extreme, but if the best organs come from a living donor, we could apply a general anesthesia and empty out the whole cart. Although I think you might need to double check the screening, the types who wind up on the row generally didn't live clean lives. Might harbor diseases like HIV or rabies.
 
2022-07-04 12:23:42 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?


Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.
 
2022-07-04 12:26:59 AM  
It's Texas. They'll apply the Theseus Rule to whoever receives the donated kidney and execute them.
 
2022-07-04 12:27:56 AM  
So in a sane world, he would be able to just go to sleep, donate all of his organs and then at the end of the surgery just not wake up.

As is, we have folks that can't get an erection unless they make someone suffer.
 
2022-07-04 12:28:02 AM  

waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.


On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?
 
2022-07-04 12:28:16 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: They also asked that his execution not proceed if his spiritual adviser isn't allowed to both hold his hand and place another hand on his heart during his execution. A two-day federal trial on this request was set to begin Tuesday in Houston.

And for his last meal, he wants a large bowl of M&Ms with no brown ones.


They'll allow his spiritual advisor to hold his hand then sentence him to death by electric chair...
 
2022-07-04 12:28:26 AM  

wildcardjack: Okay, execution by vivisection is a bit extreme, but if the best organs come from a living donor, we could apply a general anesthesia and empty out the whole cart. Although I think you might need to double check the screening, the types who wind up on the row generally didn't live clean lives. Might harbor diseases like HIV or rabies.


I'm pretty sure if they had rabies they'd have died LONG ago on Death Row.
 
2022-07-04 12:28:36 AM  
Who cares if his execution is delayed? If he can donate his kidney to save someone else's life then let him do it.
 
2022-07-04 12:28:38 AM  
This is peak Texas.

Someone wants to donate a kidney to save a life, and Texas wants to deny them the right to do so because then they have to delay his scheduled poisoning.

Again, they would rather have someone who needs a kidney to survive DIE, than to keep a prisoner alive for a few months. They'll be sure to talk about how "pro-life" they are the entire time, of course.
 
2022-07-04 12:31:01 AM  

trerro: This is peak Texas.

Someone wants to donate a kidney to save a life, and Texas wants to deny them the right to do so because then they have to delay his scheduled poisoning.

Again, they would rather have someone who needs a kidney to survive DIE, than to keep a prisoner alive for a few months. They'll be sure to talk about how "pro-life" they are the entire time, of course.


Hell. Peak Texas is an inmates kills this dude and ruins his kidneys in the attack.  So the state changes that dude with two murders
 
2022-07-04 12:33:35 AM  
"his god"
So, I guess Zoosman's God ain't interested in Latinos?

/Maybe it's Zeus, man.
 
2022-07-04 12:34:18 AM  

waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.


If he's cool with it. By the manner of his death, and so on. It's not like it would be torture. He'd basically be in a medically induced coma. Probably better than just getting poisoned to death.
 
2022-07-04 12:35:16 AM  

Mock26: Who cares if his execution is delayed? If he can donate his kidney to save someone else's life then let him do it.


Look they don't want Abbott looking bad holding up something important like this.
 
2022-07-04 12:35:32 AM  

waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?


I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.
 
2022-07-04 12:35:39 AM  

433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

If there is no coercion, I say go for it.

/ Kidney donor
// Had to undergo questioning about possible motives, compensation, intimidation, etc.
 
2022-07-04 12:36:12 AM  

meatwhistle: lasted less than 30 seconds


So does your dad and that's how I banged your mom.
 
2022-07-04 12:36:48 AM  

jaytkay: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.
If there is no coercion, I say go for it.

/ Kidney donor
// Had to undergo questioning about possible motives, compensation, intimidation, etc.


You can't do it for money? You can rent your uterus, but not sell a kidney?
 
2022-07-04 12:37:01 AM  

King Something: It's Texas. They'll apply the Theseus Rule to whoever receives the donated kidney and execute them.


It's late, but isn't every part of your body being continually replaced with the exception of your teeth enamel?

I haven't seen any philosophies that state that the soul lives in the teeth, so it seems like that is a shiatty logic problem.
 
2022-07-04 12:38:39 AM  
Getting a lot of Rimworld vibes from this thread.
 
2022-07-04 12:39:29 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: jaytkay: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.
If there is no coercion, I say go for it.

/ Kidney donor
// Had to undergo questioning about possible motives, compensation, intimidation, etc.

You can't do it for money? You can rent your uterus, but not sell a kidney?


I would not be opposed to that.

/ Except I don't have a spare kidney anymore
// And heart donation is right out
 
2022-07-04 12:40:11 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?

I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.


Hum? All at the same time? Or over the decades? It be interesting to track.
 
2022-07-04 12:41:04 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?

I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.


I have a deformed doll that could use his soul, just sayin.
 
2022-07-04 12:50:40 AM  

PirateKing: Rimworld vibes


Is the name of my anal-centric sex toy superstore.
 
2022-07-04 12:50:49 AM  

waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?

I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.

Hum? All at the same time? Or over the decades? It be interesting to track.


It seems like maybe there's a bad screenplay in here.
 
2022-07-04 12:51:12 AM  

Spartapuss: Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?

I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.

I have a deformed doll that could use his soul, just sayin.


See, this guy gets it.
 
2022-07-04 12:56:16 AM  

433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.


Why not? We're going to kill them anyway, and we need that stuff.

Two kidneys, a liver, two lungs, a heart, a few meters of skin, corneas, bone marrow, six liters of blood...why do we let all that go to waste?

We've already established that bodily autonomy isn't for peons and lesser beings, why should criminals get to die with their organs intact? Execution by vivisection seems reasonable.
 
2022-07-04 12:58:56 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?

I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.

Hum? All at the same time? Or over the decades? It be interesting to track.

It seems like maybe there's a bad screenplay in here.


I take it you've seen Body Parts.
 
2022-07-04 1:16:58 AM  

Gyrfalcon: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Why not? We're going to kill them anyway, and we need that stuff.

Two kidneys, a liver, two lungs, a heart, a few meters of skin, corneas, bone marrow, six liters of blood...why do we let all that go to waste?

We've already established that bodily autonomy isn't for peons and lesser beings, why should criminals get to die with their organs intact? Execution by vivisection seems reasonable.


The problem is it creates an incentive to execute people who otherwise wouldn't be executed. It won't just be people who were going to be killed anyway even if that's what you intend.

It doesn't mean the idea should be dismissed, but any proposal should explain how it intends to mitigate this and attempt to estimate by what margin the intended good will outweigh the undesired but predictable harm.
 
2022-07-04 1:28:59 AM  

GrendelMk1: Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?

I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.

Hum? All at the same time? Or over the decades? It be interesting to track.

It seems like maybe there's a bad screenplay in here.

I take it you've seen Body Parts.


I've not. Is it a taut, sexy thriller about a hot famale detective trying to solve seemingly unconnected murders that all have the same MO of the murders happening during sex?  I was thinking something super trite like "strange bedfellows"
 
2022-07-04 1:35:29 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: GrendelMk1: Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: waxbeans: waxbeans: Natalie Portmanteau: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Yeah, but he wants to give the organ away. Why not just save some money and give him too much anesthesia after you take his kidney out?

Or why not take all, ALL, his organs, tissue, and even blood? Save lots of lives and no need to kill what is left.

On side note , what would be left, and could this actually be done?

I dunno, bones maybe? Seems like they can reuse all kinds of stuff.

Except, what if the transplant recipients all become murderers too. We didn't think this through.

Hum? All at the same time? Or over the decades? It be interesting to track.

It seems like maybe there's a bad screenplay in here.

I take it you've seen Body Parts.

I've not. Is it a taut, sexy thriller about a hot famale detective trying to solve seemingly unconnected murders that all have the same MO of the murders happening during sex?  I was thinking something super trite like "strange bedfellows"


Nah. People get transplants from an executed serial killer, and then the murders begin.
 
2022-07-04 1:38:36 AM  
At least his kidney won't burn in hell with him.
 
2022-07-04 1:38:54 AM  

433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.


Knowing Texas RWNJ's..Not only will they not allow him to do it, they'll make sure the person it would
have gone too dies too, just to be sure...
 
2022-07-04 1:45:54 AM  
RogermcAllen:
It's late, but isn't every part of your body being continually replaced with the exception of your teeth enamel?


Tooth enamel does undergo a process of remineralization fwiw.
 
2022-07-04 1:55:41 AM  
It is a shame there is not a way of carrying out his sentence that would leave his organs viable for transplant.  If that were possible, then maybe others could do it too. Imagine how many lives could be saved by this.
 
2022-07-04 2:02:59 AM  

Klyukva: Gyrfalcon: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Why not? We're going to kill them anyway, and we need that stuff.

Two kidneys, a liver, two lungs, a heart, a few meters of skin, corneas, bone marrow, six liters of blood...why do we let all that go to waste?

We've already established that bodily autonomy isn't for peons and lesser beings, why should criminals get to die with their organs intact? Execution by vivisection seems reasonable.

The problem is it creates an incentive to execute people who otherwise wouldn't be executed. It won't just be people who were going to be killed anyway even if that's what you intend.

It doesn't mean the idea should be dismissed, but any proposal should explain how it intends to mitigate this and attempt to estimate by what margin the intended good will outweigh the undesired but predictable harm.


Forget about it, it's Texas.  You are assuming a thought process that simply is not allowed to exist in Magat country.
 
2022-07-04 2:10:37 AM  
Look, this man is sentenced to die. He had his shot, time is up. Sure, it might save a life, but this is about justice, not saving lives. To give this man 2 extra days of life just so someone could have another 40 years is out of the question. Especially if he wants the time to get straight with God.  We can't take the chance he might get saved.  He deserves hell.
 
2022-07-04 2:21:37 AM  

Klyukva: Gyrfalcon: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Why not? We're going to kill them anyway, and we need that stuff.

Two kidneys, a liver, two lungs, a heart, a few meters of skin, corneas, bone marrow, six liters of blood...why do we let all that go to waste?

We've already established that bodily autonomy isn't for peons and lesser beings, why should criminals get to die with their organs intact? Execution by vivisection seems reasonable.

The problem is it creates an incentive to execute people who otherwise wouldn't be executed. It won't just be people who were going to be killed anyway even if that's what you intend.

It doesn't mean the idea should be dismissed, but any proposal should explain how it intends to mitigate this and attempt to estimate by what margin the intended good will outweigh the undesired but predictable harm.


Well, I guess they should have thought of that before they committed crimes. I mean, it sucks to be them, but they're in prison, right? That's just the price you're going to pay for being a burden on society. We need transplants and they're just criminals.

Also read Niven's "Flatlander" stories before you flip completely out.
 
2022-07-04 2:28:24 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Klyukva: Gyrfalcon: 433: Harvesting organs from death row inmates is not a good look.

Why not? We're going to kill them anyway, and we need that stuff.

Two kidneys, a liver, two lungs, a heart, a few meters of skin, corneas, bone marrow, six liters of blood...why do we let all that go to waste?

We've already established that bodily autonomy isn't for peons and lesser beings, why should criminals get to die with their organs intact? Execution by vivisection seems reasonable.

The problem is it creates an incentive to execute people who otherwise wouldn't be executed. It won't just be people who were going to be killed anyway even if that's what you intend.

It doesn't mean the idea should be dismissed, but any proposal should explain how it intends to mitigate this and attempt to estimate by what margin the intended good will outweigh the undesired but predictable harm.

Well, I guess they should have thought of that before they committed crimes. I mean, it sucks to be them, but they're in prison, right? That's just the price you're going to pay for being a burden on society. We need transplants and they're just criminals.

Also read Niven's "Flatlander" stories before you flip completely out.


Difficulty: This is a state where a woman can be arrested for having a natural, unprovoked miscarriage. So your argument, though I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, includes arguing in favor of a legitimately possible outcome where a woman carrying a nonviable pregnancy is harvested for spare parts because she was raped. It's not a big chance, but it's a non-zero chance, and that alone is probably a good enough reason to dismiss the idea of forced organ harvesting of people who "commit" crimes.
 
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