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2022-07-03 2:52:48 PM  
Shiathole country.
 
2022-07-03 2:54:24 PM  
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2022-07-03 3:18:23 PM  
Quite literally. In AZ, the median house price in the suburbs of Phoenix is $475k (avg monthly payment of $2387. Kind of hard to afford that when the average teacher salary is $52,000 a year or $4300 a month before taxes. When I taught there, I was making right at average (10 yes experience at the time with a master's). After taxes and health insurance, I was bringing home about $2400 a month ($1200 every two weeks). Even in the bad part of town, rent was about $1200-1500 for a one-bedroom apartment and house prices were about $275k. It's farking madness.
 
2022-07-03 7:57:30 PM  

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I was told cutting police budgets is a bad thing and suggesting it means I want America to be a dystopian nightmare where most people can't afford basic necessities because of the actions of the few and that shoots would be rampant while the police stood idly by
 
2022-07-03 8:41:56 PM  
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2022-07-03 9:40:49 PM  

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And that will be deducted from your pay.
 
2022-07-03 9:47:02 PM  
And Whitey's on the moon.
 
2022-07-03 10:01:23 PM  
$51k and adult kids... how long have you been a teacher? Other than by offering a stark warning.

Besides, those affordable houses aren't intended for grandma, they're meant for people bringing up their first families. Now, sign up your freeloaders for the Army and enjoy cheap digs.
 
2022-07-03 10:09:34 PM  
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2022-07-03 10:10:34 PM  
My hometown had affordable housing set aside for teachers. I simply can't fathom why this isn't more common. Oh wait, yes I can, education be damned for the plebes.
 
2022-07-03 10:14:44 PM  
I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.
 
2022-07-03 10:19:33 PM  

GodComplex: My hometown had affordable housing set aside for teachers. I simply can't fathom why this isn't more common. Oh wait, yes I can, education be damned for the plebes.


Some people, myself included, think it's a bag idea to give those types of fringe benefits to any particular profession. It makes it incredibly hard to quantity how much someone earns, how much they should pay in taxes, and create weird pockets of power that are easy for people to abuse.

If you don't offer stuff like discounted housing, you will reach a point where teachers won't work/won't apply. And the only way to get willing, qualified applicants will be to raise the salary. And that's how we should get the fair market rate.
 
2022-07-03 10:32:44 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.


She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?
 
2022-07-03 10:38:28 PM  
I could live in the murder house if they cleaned up after it.
 
2022-07-03 10:43:38 PM  

wildcardjack: $51k and adult kids... how long have you been a teacher? Other than by offering a stark warning.

Besides, those affordable houses aren't intended for grandma, they're meant for people bringing up their first families. Now, sign up your freeloaders for the Army and enjoy cheap digs.


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2022-07-03 10:46:28 PM  

mr0x: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.

She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?


Is this "just get a second job" in earnest? Or is it a joke?

We should be striving for a country where 40 hours of work gets you enough for healthcare, food, housing, and required amenities for life (like internet and a cellphone.)

"Just get a second job" implies laziness. It devalues humanity and strips us of dignity. If she isn't breaking the law, isn't selling drugs, and is working and contributing to society, she shouldn't have to "just get a second job." She should be adequately rewarded for her work. She is not.

She should not be beholden to yet another predatory employer and forced to generate profit that far exceeds her gains for a chance to have stable housing. She should not. I despise America and the people who suggest "just get a second job."
 
2022-07-03 10:57:51 PM  
In the days of "one room schoolhouse" that one room also doubled as the teacher's living area.

Why let all these huge schools sit empty at night? The teachers could have a cot in the corner of their classroom. Or, if you really wanted to go full collectivist, you could have one of the gymnasiums filled with bunk beds so everyone can sleep in the same space.

There, that should solve the problem of teacher housing and leave everyone happy.
 
2022-07-03 11:04:47 PM  

Jaws_Victim: mr0x: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.

She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?

Is this "just get a second job" in earnest? Or is it a joke?

We should be striving for a country where 40 hours of work gets you enough for healthcare, food, housing, and required amenities for life (like internet and a cellphone.)

"Just get a second job" implies laziness. It devalues humanity and strips us of dignity. If she isn't breaking the law, isn't selling drugs, and is working and contributing to society, she shouldn't have to "just get a second job." She should be adequately rewarded for her work. She is not.

She should not be beholden to yet another predatory employer and forced to generate profit that far exceeds her gains for a chance to have stable housing. She should not. I despise America and the people who suggest "just get a second job."


Wow, just no sarcasm detector, huh?
 
2022-07-03 11:05:22 PM  

Jaws_Victim: mr0x: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.

She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?

Is this "just get a second job" in earnest? Or is it a joke?

We should be striving for a country where 40 hours of work gets you enough for healthcare, food, housing, and required amenities for life (like internet and a cellphone.)

"Just get a second job" implies laziness. It devalues humanity and strips us of dignity. If she isn't breaking the law, isn't selling drugs, and is working and contributing to society, she shouldn't have to "just get a second job." She should be adequately rewarded for her work. She is not.

She should not be beholden to yet another predatory employer and forced to generate profit that far exceeds her gains for a chance to have stable housing. She should not. I despise America and the people who suggest "just get a second job."


She has two other jobs per TFA. The 51k includes 2 coaching stipends.
 
2022-07-03 11:12:53 PM  

Jaws_Victim: mr0x: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.

She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?

Is this "just get a second job" in earnest? Or is it a joke?

We should be striving for a country where 40 hours of work gets you enough for healthcare, food, housing, and required amenities for life (like internet and a cellphone.)

"Just get a second job" implies laziness. It devalues humanity and strips us of dignity. If she isn't breaking the law, isn't selling drugs, and is working and contributing to society, she shouldn't have to "just get a second job." She should be adequately rewarded for her work. She is not.

She should not be beholden to yet another predatory employer and forced to generate profit that far exceeds her gains for a chance to have stable housing. She should not. I despise America and the people who suggest "just get a second job."


I don't think it implies any of those things. Here is the simple, undeniable truth. Until we live in the holodeck/can teleport - some housing in the US will always be more desirable than others.

If every home in the US was a single family detached home with 3000 SQ. Ft... Wealthier people would still fight over the homes in the more desirable part of town/more desirable part of the country.

There is no way to solve or avoid it. It's like saying 'Everyone who works a full time job should be able to avoid a better than median house'

It's mathematically impossible.

Only 60% of households in the US are single family detached. 80% of Americans say they would rather own in a single family detached home than anything else... We know it doesn't add up.

And when you consider how many of those single family houses are in old dying towns everyone is leaving, whose populations peaked in the 1950s or something... And consider all the rental properties...it's clear that not everyone can get a house in an area they want. No matter how much you pay people. Someone will be left out.

And there is no system in the world that can fix this problem.

She can afford housing. She isn't on the street. She isn't living in a shelter or in a dorm. She's living in Austin Texas, a very recognizable and desirable location, where she can't afford a single family house, on her own.
 
2022-07-03 11:39:45 PM  

mr0x: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.

She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?


She has a second job dumbass.  She coaches two sports, if you read the article, you'd know.
 
2022-07-04 12:21:11 AM  
Whole lot of words for the article to say that Teachers who live and work in Texas gain all the benefits of doing so because they choose to stay there. Its a standard Red State government - anti education through and through. If you fool yourself into thinking things are different because you're in Austin then you're a Texas sized idiot.
 
2022-07-04 12:28:25 AM  
Welcome to red state hell. The people who should be working some of the most well-compensated positions due to the integral part they play in our society are instead often boxed into the bottom of the middle-class or worse.

/And then they fark with the curriculum.
 
2022-07-04 2:38:47 AM  

aleister_greynight: Shiathole country.


The only OECD countries with lower teacher salaries than the US are shiatholes like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, France, Hungary, Greece, Poland, Israel, Spain, Japan, and Portugal.
https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teachers-salaries.htm

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2022-07-04 2:47:11 AM  

Nullav: Welcome to red state hell. The people who should be working some of the most well-compensated positions due to the integral part they play in our society are instead often boxed into the bottom of the middle-class or worse.

/And then they fark with the curriculum.


Red state hell? Have you chatted with a Seattle teacher?
 
2022-07-04 3:20:10 AM  

CCNP: aleister_greynight: Shiathole country.

The only OECD countries with lower teacher salaries than the US are shiatholes like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, France, Hungary, Greece, Poland, Israel, Spain, Japan, and Portugal.
https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teachers-salaries.htm

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The difference is most of those countries haven't let vultures take over the housing market entirely, and housing is either much, much more affordable or the government provides assistance so teachers still have decent housing. In Japan's case, well... 80,000 yen is about $600.

Korone Accidentally Reveals How Much She Pays for Rent [Hololive]
Youtube O92X32UdSX4
 
2022-07-04 3:42:15 AM  
My libby lib west coast college town implemented 2 "affordable housing" policies that I sort of paid attention to a couple years ago.

The first was that no new housing could be built without "affordable housing". So a developer could build a bunch of luxury condos but
 
2022-07-04 3:42:19 AM  

adamatari: CCNP: aleister_greynight: Shiathole country.

The only OECD countries with lower teacher salaries than the US are shiatholes like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, France, Hungary, Greece, Poland, Israel, Spain, Japan, and Portugal.
https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teachers-salaries.htm

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The difference is most of those countries haven't let vultures take over the housing market entirely, and housing is either much, much more affordable or the government provides assistance so teachers still have decent housing. In Japan's case, well... 80,000 yen is about $600.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/O92X32UdSX4]


Yea, you got me there. Only 65% of American families own their own homes. The only developed countries with lower home ownership rates are shiatholes like Sweden, Denmark, France, Germany, UK, Japan, and New Zealand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

The answers are easy enough for anyone to find, you just have to be willing to actually look at them

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2022-07-04 4:00:23 AM  
Damnit,

Save one unit for affordable rent to be given out via a lottery. So 30 sellable or rentable (again, college town) units with 1 unit for the poors. Then they can jack up the rent after the first family moves out.

Another sounds good but ultimately farked poor people policy was they wanted to encourage homeowners to put a tiny house in their yard to help student housing. What happened was that trailer park owners didn't renew leases on the spaces and kicked out a bunch of old and poor people so they could replace them with tiny houses. People who can't afford to move their trailers and have nowhere to move them to. I've seen entire parks transformed into completely tiny houses because they take up so much less space than a single or double wide, increasing density and they own the houses so those dirty poors can't even dream of owning their own trailer even if they rent the space.

Be careful when people propose solutions that feel good. I'm mean it's ca, everything  here is feel good policy but watch where the money actually goes.
 
2022-07-04 4:58:22 AM  

SafetyThird: Damnit,

Save one unit for affordable rent to be given out via a lottery. So 30 sellable or rentable (again, college town) units with 1 unit for the poors. Then they can jack up the rent after the first family moves out.

Another sounds good but ultimately farked poor people policy was they wanted to encourage homeowners to put a tiny house in their yard to help student housing. What happened was that trailer park owners didn't renew leases on the spaces and kicked out a bunch of old and poor people so they could replace them with tiny houses. People who can't afford to move their trailers and have nowhere to move them to. I've seen entire parks transformed into completely tiny houses because they take up so much less space than a single or double wide, increasing density and they own the houses so those dirty poors can't even dream of owning their own trailer even if they rent the space.

Be careful when people propose solutions that feel good. I'm mean it's ca, everything  here is feel good policy but watch where the money actually goes.


No, leave all the units available to those who meet the guidelines and adjust the guidelines with supply. Lotteries have all kinds of problems (see the story from Chi town of the Alderwoman who got her spot after decades) Fact is that people need to start either forcing changes to happen or leave the bad places. Texas hates education, so any Teacher who thinks they'll have a modest life there without multiple other jobs is deluded.
 
2022-07-04 5:16:05 AM  

wildcardjack: $51k and adult kids... how long have you been a teacher? Other than by offering a stark warning.

Besides, those affordable houses aren't intended for grandma, they're meant for people bringing up their first families. Now, sign up your freeloaders for the Army and enjoy cheap digs.


My takeaway from TFA is that the teacher affordable housing is for married couples. Abbott & Co know wha teachers make, and set the threshold to exclude single mothers.
On the less skeptical side you do need to make enough money to maintain a home even if it were given outright.
Going back to being critical, teachers should make $80k to start and north of $120k on tenure.  Absurdly underpaid.
 
2022-07-04 7:44:21 AM  

aleister_greynight: Shiathole country.



the 1% and sit at home stock owners are ok with the country.     snicker
 
2022-07-04 7:45:16 AM  

Private_Citizen: [Fark user image 640x420]



the only letters murcans need to no are U, S, and A!!
 
2022-07-04 7:46:54 AM  

tudorgurl: Quite literally. In AZ, the median house price in the suburbs of Phoenix is $475k (avg monthly payment of $2387. Kind of hard to afford that when the average teacher salary is $52,000 a year or $4300 a month before taxes. When I taught there, I was making right at average (10 yes experience at the time with a master's). After taxes and health insurance, I was bringing home about $2400 a month ($1200 every two weeks). Even in the bad part of town, rent was about $1200-1500 for a one-bedroom apartment and house prices were about $275k. It's farking madness.



and Hedge Funds are paying well above market value so they can rent them out.

the richest want everyone paying rent and no one owning anything except them.

the bought and paid for government looks the other way............


Murca
 
2022-07-04 7:48:38 AM  

tudorgurl: Quite literally. In AZ, the median house price in the suburbs of Phoenix is $475k (avg monthly payment of $2387. Kind of hard to afford that when the average teacher salary is $52,000 a year or $4300 a month before taxes. When I taught there, I was making right at average (10 yes experience at the time with a master's). After taxes and health insurance, I was bringing home about $2400 a month ($1200 every two weeks). Even in the bad part of town, rent was about $1200-1500 for a one-bedroom apartment and house prices were about $275k. It's farking madness.



oh,

and for all you jan 6 do gooders, there is little/no Democracy on capital (sic) hill.

its Legislation for sale.
 
2022-07-04 7:50:39 AM  

Aar1012: Private_Citizen: [Fark user image image 640x420]

I was told cutting police budgets is a bad thing and suggesting it means I want America to be a dystopian nightmare where most people can't afford basic necessities because of the actions of the few and that shoots would be rampant while the police stood idly by



you were lied to by the very same fascists who are destroying this nation for a buck.

the police are there to maintain the top's racket and to keep the top safe.

the protection that the rest of the nation gets is purely coincidental.
 
2022-07-04 7:51:20 AM  

Aar1012: Private_Citizen: [Fark user image image 640x420]

I was told cutting police budgets is a bad thing and suggesting it means I want America to be a dystopian nightmare where most people can't afford basic necessities because of the actions of the few and that shoots would be rampant while the police stood idly by



oh and....


the System is rigged.
--bernie sanders
 
2022-07-04 7:52:05 AM  

Megathuma: [Fark user image 850x500]



defense/gun company stock owners are ok with it..........
 
2022-07-04 7:53:08 AM  

jso2897: And Whitey's on the moon.



yes he is...........

he's also in your capital (sic) hill buying legislation........
 
2022-07-04 7:54:24 AM  

GodComplex: My hometown had affordable housing set aside for teachers. I simply can't fathom why this isn't more common. Oh wait, yes I can, education be damned for the plebes.



only the 1%'s brats need an education.
 
2022-07-04 7:55:40 AM  

Gordon Bennett: wildcardjack: $51k and adult kids... how long have you been a teacher? Other than by offering a stark warning.

Besides, those affordable houses aren't intended for grandma, they're meant for people bringing up their first families. Now, sign up your freeloaders for the Army and enjoy cheap digs.

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if all you have is a brick, then every problem is an incomplete brick wall.
 
2022-07-04 7:59:10 AM  

CCNP: aleister_greynight: Shiathole country.

The only OECD countries with lower teacher salaries than the US are shiatholes like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, France, Hungary, Greece, Poland, Israel, Spain, Japan, and Portugal.
https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teachers-salaries.htm

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yea, shiatholes............

and you happen to be living in the richest shiathole nation on earth.  congratulations

the only problem with that is that the richest 1% of it owns 90% of the wealth.

i'm guessing you don't reside in that socio economic group..........
 
2022-07-04 8:14:56 AM  

Linux_Yes: CCNP: aleister_greynight: Shiathole country.

The only OECD countries with lower teacher salaries than the US are shiatholes like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, France, Hungary, Greece, Poland, Israel, Spain, Japan, and Portugal.
https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teachers-salaries.htm

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yea, shiatholes............

and you happen to be living in the richest shiathole nation on earth.  congratulations

the only problem with that is that the richest 1% of it owns 90% of the wealth.

i'm guessing you don't reside in that socio economic group..........


Except.... Surprise Surprise, Wages for Teachers are a Municipal thing, not a National thing. If you didn't know that then you don't live in the US or don't pay attention to your county. Austin Teachers are paid by the Austin School Board, which has decided that they're not really worth that much at all. State decides part of the overall school budget, mostly to help counties that are smaller than Austin, and then the local School Board gets to set rates after that.

You have a problem with that? Maybe get off your backside and attend the school board meetings and propose a pay increase for teachers. None of the Board Members want that ? Vote them out. Mayor won't give the Board more money ? Vote them and the City Council out too.

Sound too Complicated ? Then you don't really care about the Teachers and are just looking for a mindless talking point.
 
2022-07-04 9:03:25 AM  

GodComplex: My hometown had affordable housing set aside for teachers. I simply can't fathom why this isn't more common. Oh wait, yes I can, education be damned for the plebes.


The elites want somebody who will drive a ban and deliver Chinese made crap for Bezoscorp while wearing an adult diaper.

The dont want somebody who is educated beyond what is needed.
 
2022-07-04 9:28:44 AM  
Solution - move to where housing is cheaper.

YOU are the one choosing to live in one of the most over-inflated housing markets in the nation. That is not OUR problems, it is YOURS.

Your skills are portable. You can take a job anywhere in the country. People everywhere, trapped with less fluid skills envy you.

Pack your entitlement mentality, along with your belongings, and MOVE.
 
2022-07-04 9:50:18 AM  

zgrizz: Solution - move to where housing is cheaper.

YOU are the one choosing to live in one of the most over-inflated housing markets in the nation. That is not OUR problems, it is YOURS.

Your skills are portable. You can take a job anywhere in the country. People everywhere, trapped with less fluid skills envy you.

Pack your entitlement mentality, along with your belongings, and MOVE.


A better option is to change career.

She'll make more doing other corporate jobs, preferably some bullshiat job.

I know teaching is gratifying but miserable jobs pay more.

Educating the kids is the future of our society but it is not worth sacrificing for a single family detached home.
 
2022-07-04 10:03:43 AM  

DaMannimal: mr0x: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.

She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?

She has a second job dumbass.  She coaches two sports, if you read the article, you'd know.


Remember how in high school, coaches would usually also be teachers, and teach something like English or Life Skills?

That's what she does - she coaches Soccer and Cross Country, and gets a stipend for her extra hours.

Having known people who have coached in various UIL (University Interscholastic League) activities, she doesn't have time for a second job, but the stipend doesn't pay as much as a second job would. (Hours for practices, events, away games, etc). It's a pittance for people who do it because they love it, and often their continued employment is contingent on continuing to support the extracurriculars.
 
2022-07-04 10:16:25 AM  

Izunbacol: DaMannimal: mr0x: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't know how to tell you this, but anything that talks about 'household income' is going to be a bitter pill for people who only have a single income.

She makes $51k and needs to make $55k. If she had a partner and they both worked, they would each only need to make $27.5k.

And if it is this bad for me, what is it like for someone who doesn't have a college degree? Someone who makes minimum wage? Where are normal people supposed to live?

Single family detached houses are, excluding like high rise penthouses in big cities, are "the dream". It's what almost everyone wants and it's the most expensive option. People who can't afford single family houses...get something cheaper.

Duplexes, townhouses, row houses, condos, apartments, any of the above + houses with roommates. And let's be real, that's what all duel income households are...my wife couldn't afford our house without me. I couldn't afford it without her. We both have to deal with each other/each other's crap. It's way way cheaper but frequently a pain to deal with.

We once lived with an older lady who rented out rooms in her house after her husband passed. That was her way off sharing the cost of the house.

She has two adult children. They each would only need to make $18.3K/yr to qualify.

If she also got a partner with 2 adult children, then it would be $9.1K/yr.

Also, she would only have to work 5 hours a week at McDonalds/Doordash/Amazon to make the $4k deficiency in qualifications. Why doesn't she just get a second job?

She has a second job dumbass.  She coaches two sports, if you read the article, you'd know.

Remember how in high school, coaches would usually also be teachers, and teach something like English or Life Skills?

That's what she does - she coaches Soccer and Cross Country, and gets a stipend for her extra hours.

Having known people who have coached in various UIL (University Interscholastic League) activities, she doesn't have time for a second job, but the stipend doesn't pay as much as a second job would. (Hours for practices, events, away games, etc). It's a pittance for people who do it because they love it, and often their continued employment is contingent on continuing to support the extracurriculars.


Under our current tax system, you won't get into trouble for over-reporting your income. Say you made $60K and pay the extra taxes to get the house. You don't actually have to do the 2nd, 3rd , 4th job or whatever you count as a job.
 
2022-07-04 10:46:08 AM  

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You don't need chalk for Zoom school
 
2022-07-04 11:25:23 AM  

zgrizz: Solution - move to where housing is cheaper.

YOU are the one choosing to live in one of the most over-inflated housing markets in the nation. That is not OUR problems, it is YOURS.

Your skills are portable. You can take a job anywhere in the country. People everywhere, trapped with less fluid skills envy you.

Pack your entitlement mentality, along with your belongings, and MOVE.


There was an article on here not long ago about folks moving from Austin to San Antonio because it's so much more affordable.

She reports her gross as $51K.  

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It's slim pickins in Austin.  But... here's what she could get in San Antonio, in Northside ISD:

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But she'd get paid less there, right?  Nope... $57K is the starting salary for Northside ISD. Per the Anderson HS website, she has been teaching since 2013, so she'd undoubtedly get experience steps and probably get $60K.

Let's be realistic about what we're looking at here: a single middle-aged teacher has trouble buying a single family home in one of the hottest housing markets (at least so far as price increases and the median income go).  One of the issues in large university towns is that there is ALWAYS an influx of freshly graduated 22 year olds with degrees in education who don't want to leave their 20's party town, and will gladly apply to teach locally in order to shack up with roommates and keep partying on 6th street (or whatever the street may be in the town).

Between that and teachers married to other professionals who earn decent incomes, the school won't have any trouble filling its vacancies.  

I hear people complaining about how unaffordable the DC area is, and they typically earn way more than Ms. McMahon.  I point out how there are plenty of affordable areas here if you don't insist on being in Arlington, Bethesda, NWDC, or Alexandria, and it's all REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SUBURBS ARE BOOOOORING.  Well... OK, you can't afford to live in the place you want to live.  You're going to have to settle in some aspect of your life... welcome to adulthood.
 
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