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2022-07-03 7:07:50 AM  
Yep, just acquired a micromanaging bully of a supervisor.  In less than a month, I have gone from being super efficient so that I can get done and gone, to being someone who just shows up, does the bare minimum and heads out.  No more looking around, seeing what needs to be done and doing it.  I have begun sending more emails reminding people they need to handle something that 2 months ago, I would have done and then sent them an email, saying no need to rush in, it's handled.

HR is already aware there is a problem and has begun documenting situations being reported.  Hopefully, this person won't make it to the end of the 90 probation period.
 
2022-07-03 7:43:43 AM  

cherryl taggart: HR is already aware there is a problem and has begun documenting situations being reported.  Hopefully, this person won't make it to the end of the 90 probation period.


Well, hope in one hand and shiat in the other and see which fills up first.  That supervisor was put there for a reason.  Your best bet is to update your resume and hit the ejection seat ASAP.

/Sorry, it's a horrible position to be in.
//We've all been there though.
 
2022-07-03 9:30:17 AM  
If you judge me by my performance, I'll work to maximize that. If you judge me by keystrokes or mouse jiggles, I'll maximize those. Guess which is super easily faked.
 
2022-07-03 10:14:15 AM  
When you take projection into account, it implies that a company's higher ups are likely not doing their jobs and the company's health will subsequently suffer. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a line item for how aggressively a company monitors its employees on Zacks reports.
 
2022-07-03 10:56:27 AM  
There's a fine line between analysing data to see where things can be improved and where things are going wrong, and spying on employees. I've had one employee tell me if we got x software so we could spy on them at work everyone would quit.

But he was trying to get fired for the bonus payout. He was the epitome of phoning it in. Coming in wearing sandals and a billowy shirt in a public facing job where everyone else is in a suit. Sitting in his car between 11-12 to make sure he got a convenient parking space. Leaving early to avoid the traffic etc.

He got tens of thousands of pounds when he was finally asked if he wouldn't rather work somewhere else, then lawyered up and accused the company of all sorts of nonsense.
 
2022-07-03 11:05:04 AM  

kudayta: cherryl taggart: HR is already aware there is a problem and has begun documenting situations being reported.  Hopefully, this person won't make it to the end of the 90 probation period.

Well, hope in one hand and shiat in the other and see which fills up first.  That supervisor was put there for a reason.  Your best bet is to update your resume and hit the ejection seat ASAP.

/Sorry, it's a horrible position to be in.
//We've all been there though.


All of this. Nothing will change if nothing changes. The job market is way too hot to tolerate BS, so get that resume polished
 
2022-07-03 11:36:30 AM  

EvilEgg: If you judge me by my performance, I'll work to maximize that. If you judge me by keystrokes or mouse jiggles, I'll maximize those. Guess which is super easily faked.


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2022-07-03 11:51:11 AM  

Slaxl: There's a fine line between analysing data to see where things can be improved and where things are going wrong, and spying on employees. I've had one employee tell me if we got x software so we could spy on them at work everyone would quit.

But he was trying to get fired for the bonus payout. He was the epitome of phoning it in. Coming in wearing sandals and a billowy shirt in a public facing job where everyone else is in a suit. Sitting in his car between 11-12 to make sure he got a convenient parking space. Leaving early to avoid the traffic etc.

He got tens of thousands of pounds when he was finally asked if he wouldn't rather work somewhere else, then lawyered up and accused the company of all sorts of nonsense.


Billowy shirt AND convenient parking spot? That is outrageous. I would have fired him immediately. Employees at my company pride themselves on tight shirts and parking at least 3 miles from our office. Even the cripple in the wheelchair knows better than to park in the convenient handicap spot with the ramp.
 
2022-07-03 12:10:09 PM  
"... googling 'how to monitor employees' is up..."

Was "measuring their performance/output" the top result? If not, that's not a good search.
 
2022-07-03 12:16:02 PM  

sleze: "... googling 'how to monitor employees' is up..."

Was "measuring their performance/output" the top result? If not, that's not a good search.


This

If you don't know how to measure inputs and outputs objectively, then either you are a shiatty manager, or your department provides a useless service and should be eliminated.
 
2022-07-03 12:20:02 PM  

FrancoFile: sleze: "... googling 'how to monitor employees' is up..."

Was "measuring their performance/output" the top result? If not, that's not a good search.

This

If you don't know how to measure inputs and outputs objectively, then either you are a shiatty manager, or your department provides a useless service and should be eliminated.


Every HR department in the world would fail that test.
 
2022-07-03 12:30:59 PM  

jjorsett: FrancoFile: sleze: "... googling 'how to monitor employees' is up..."

Was "measuring their performance/output" the top result? If not, that's not a good search.

This

If you don't know how to measure inputs and outputs objectively, then either you are a shiatty manager, or your department provides a useless service and should be eliminated.

Every HR department in the world would fail that test.


Not true.

Average time to hire is measurable.
 
2022-07-03 12:47:05 PM  

koder: When you take projection into account, it implies that a company's higher ups are likely not doing their jobs and the company's health will subsequently suffer. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a line item for how aggressively a company monitors its employees on Zacks reports.


This. My next-level management, across the board, decided to tell us to fudge numbers on how much time we were putting into projects so that they didn't get micro-managed by their own bosses, i.e. they didn't want them to know how bad things were.

Joke's on them. We just had a "skip-a-level" meeting w/ our new CIO and I ratted their asses out.

One of them was on the verge of crying in our Friday staff meeting talking about how "we" (meaning he and others at his management level) had failed and it was getting noticed.
 
2022-07-03 12:57:48 PM  
It's strange but if your office seems like the office from Office Space...your employees will act like the employees from Office Space
 
2022-07-03 1:35:00 PM  
My wfh days I like to tie a stick to my mouse and the oscillating fan and take a nap.
 
2022-07-03 2:27:49 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Slaxl: There's a fine line between analysing data to see where things can be improved and where things are going wrong, and spying on employees. I've had one employee tell me if we got x software so we could spy on them at work everyone would quit.

But he was trying to get fired for the bonus payout. He was the epitome of phoning it in. Coming in wearing sandals and a billowy shirt in a public facing job where everyone else is in a suit. Sitting in his car between 11-12 to make sure he got a convenient parking space. Leaving early to avoid the traffic etc.

He got tens of thousands of pounds when he was finally asked if he wouldn't rather work somewhere else, then lawyered up and accused the company of all sorts of nonsense.

Billowy shirt AND convenient parking spot? That is outrageous. I would have fired him immediately. Employees at my company pride themselves on tight shirts and parking at least 3 miles from our office. Even the cripple in the wheelchair knows better than to park in the convenient handicap spot with the ramp.


Hey, if your work lets employees take an hour to sit in their car, instead of being at their desk, so they can watch out for parking wardens and nab a better spot, great, but it's not standard.
 
2022-07-03 2:58:30 PM  

koder: When you take projection into account, it implies that a company's higher ups are likely not doing their jobs and the company's health will subsequently suffer. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a line item for how aggressively a company monitors its employees on Zacks reports.


THIS.

My old boss (who was a decent boss at that point) did this ALL the time. His boondoggle stories are legendary. Because he and his crew would (essentially) steal hotel per diem and lie on time sheets, he assumed we all did that. He made us jump through ridiculous hoops to justify our expenses. He never could understand that our generation just wasn't as corrupt as his. As I left that group, he couldn't understand why no one wanted to travel for him anymore.

/NCSB
 
2022-07-03 3:24:22 PM  

MurphyMurphy: My wfh days I like to tie a stick to my mouse and the oscillating fan and take a nap.


Autohotkey could be the solution you need.
 
2022-07-03 4:34:14 PM  
I had a great boss that had to leave that position about a year ago (not fired or anything, think like term limits), and she always had our backs.  Definitely looked out for me. We didn't 100% agree on anything, but I would have run through a brick wall if she asked me to.

I have known people in other offices with micromanaging bosses, and the results are..... less than stellar.  At a minimum, the staff tries to exploit every little cheat that they can get away with and are always at odds with one another.

When you take care of your staff, they want to take care of you.  When you nickel and dime them, they nickel and dime you.  There are always exceptions, but I have seen this pattern going each way since starting work at 16.
 
2022-07-03 4:36:53 PM  

Hoban Washburne: I had a great boss that had to leave that position about a year ago (not fired or anything, think like term limits), and she always had our backs.  Definitely looked out for me. We didn't 100% agree on anything, but I would have run through a brick wall if she asked me to.

I have known people in other offices with micromanaging bosses, and the results are..... less than stellar.  At a minimum, the staff tries to exploit every little cheat that they can get away with and are always at odds with one another.

When you take care of your staff, they want to take care of you.  When you nickel and dime them, they nickel and dime you.  There are always exceptions, but I have seen this pattern going each way since starting work at 16.


*agree on everything, not anything
 
2022-07-03 4:40:52 PM  
People have always moonlighted to make ends meet.  Juggling 2-3 WFH jobs, a few hours of Uber, and a Twitch stream is just part of trying to survive these days.  If I get the job done, what business is it of theirs what else I'm doing during that time?
 
2022-07-03 4:45:31 PM  
Just to be right.

I found a lead on a pond, it was fun to I set himself on his way.
 
2022-07-03 7:57:08 PM  

cherryl taggart: Yep, just acquired a micromanaging bully of a supervisor.  In less than a month, I have gone from being super efficient so that I can get done and gone, to being someone who just shows up, does the bare minimum and heads out.  No more looking around, seeing what needs to be done and doing it.  I have begun sending more emails reminding people they need to handle something that 2 months ago, I would have done and then sent them an email, saying no need to rush in, it's handled.

HR is already aware there is a problem and has begun documenting situations being reported.  Hopefully, this person won't make it to the end of the 90 probation period.


I love being the nightshift manager at a factory, I don't have to care about how busy my workers look, I just have to care about how much work they get done... and they're beating the hell out of everybody else.  My guys kick ass and I've been routinely beating dayshift for 3 years.

Too many people go into management for all the wrong reasons.  They think it's an easy job, or they want to be respected, but they don't realize that people either respect you or they don't, they don't give a damn about titles or authority and the ones that do are typically shiat workers that want to go into management.

The key to good management is getting people to understand what's expected of them then ensuring they're willing and able to do it.  If they're unable to do the job you have to help them, if they're unwilling to do the job then you have to get rid of them.
 
2022-07-03 8:27:10 PM  

sleze: koder: When you take projection into account, it implies that a company's higher ups are likely not doing their jobs and the company's health will subsequently suffer. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a line item for how aggressively a company monitors its employees on Zacks reports.

THIS.

My old boss (who was a decent boss at that point) did this ALL the time. His boondoggle stories are legendary. Because he and his crew would (essentially) steal hotel per diem and lie on time sheets, he assumed we all did that. He made us jump through ridiculous hoops to justify our expenses. He never could understand that our generation just wasn't as corrupt as his. As I left that group, he couldn't understand why no one wanted to travel for him anymore.

/NCSB


It's funny that you mention Per Diem. I actually just had a new hire do the opposite to me last week where they tried to return the unused portion of their meal per diem (we provide it in cash). We had to tell him to keep it. Our philosophy is that if our guys don't use all the per diem allotted to them then they obviously made choices to be frugal and deserve the excess or they were in a location where they just didn't have the opportunity to buy a decent meal and thus got screwed. Any extra per diem they have at the end of the week is theirs and it actually struck me as funny that he needed to be told it was okay to keep it.

Then again, another firm we work closely with operates under a use it or lose it mentality so it really shouldn't surprise me.
 
2022-07-03 8:45:28 PM  

keldaria: sleze: koder: When you take projection into account, it implies that a company's higher ups are likely not doing their jobs and the company's health will subsequently suffer. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a line item for how aggressively a company monitors its employees on Zacks reports.

THIS.

My old boss (who was a decent boss at that point) did this ALL the time. His boondoggle stories are legendary. Because he and his crew would (essentially) steal hotel per diem and lie on time sheets, he assumed we all did that. He made us jump through ridiculous hoops to justify our expenses. He never could understand that our generation just wasn't as corrupt as his. As I left that group, he couldn't understand why no one wanted to travel for him anymore.

/NCSB

It's funny that you mention Per Diem. I actually just had a new hire do the opposite to me last week where they tried to return the unused portion of their meal per diem (we provide it in cash). We had to tell him to keep it. Our philosophy is that if our guys don't use all the per diem allotted to them then they obviously made choices to be frugal and deserve the excess or they were in a location where they just didn't have the opportunity to buy a decent meal and thus got screwed. Any extra per diem they have at the end of the week is theirs and it actually struck me as funny that he needed to be told it was okay to keep it.

Then again, another firm we work closely with operates under a use it or lose it mentality so it really shouldn't surprise me.


Made - Per Diem Scene -Vince Vaugn Jon Favreau Peter Falk
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2022-07-03 10:19:13 PM  

keldaria: sleze: koder: When you take projection into account, it implies that a company's higher ups are likely not doing their jobs and the company's health will subsequently suffer. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a line item for how aggressively a company monitors its employees on Zacks reports.

THIS.

My old boss (who was a decent boss at that point) did this ALL the time. His boondoggle stories are legendary. Because he and his crew would (essentially) steal hotel per diem and lie on time sheets, he assumed we all did that. He made us jump through ridiculous hoops to justify our expenses. He never could understand that our generation just wasn't as corrupt as his. As I left that group, he couldn't understand why no one wanted to travel for him anymore.

/NCSB

It's funny that you mention Per Diem. I actually just had a new hire do the opposite to me last week where they tried to return the unused portion of their meal per diem (we provide it in cash). We had to tell him to keep it. Our philosophy is that if our guys don't use all the per diem allotted to them then they obviously made choices to be frugal and deserve the excess or they were in a location where they just didn't have the opportunity to buy a decent meal and thus got screwed. Any extra per diem they have at the end of the week is theirs and it actually struck me as funny that he needed to be told it was okay to keep it.

Then again, another firm we work closely with operates under a use it or lose it mentality so it really shouldn't surprise me.


They would book individual hotel rooms, get paid, 3/4 guys would cancel the room and sleep in the 4th room, collect the cash and share it. That was just the tip of the iceberg.
 
2022-07-04 10:53:58 AM  

Slaxl: There's a fine line between analysing data to see where things can be improved and where things are going wrong, and spying on employees. I've had one employee tell me if we got x software so we could spy on them at work everyone would quit.

But he was trying to get fired for the bonus payout. He was the epitome of phoning it in. Coming in wearing sandals and a billowy shirt in a public facing job where everyone else is in a suit. Sitting in his car between 11-12 to make sure he got a convenient parking space. Leaving early to avoid the traffic etc.

He got tens of thousands of pounds when he was finally asked if he wouldn't rather work somewhere else, then lawyered up and accused the company of all sorts of nonsense.


I saw that episode of Better Call Saul
 
2022-07-04 11:16:51 AM  

sleze: keldaria: sleze: koder: When you take projection into account, it implies that a company's higher ups are likely not doing their jobs and the company's health will subsequently suffer. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a line item for how aggressively a company monitors its employees on Zacks reports.

THIS.

My old boss (who was a decent boss at that point) did this ALL the time. His boondoggle stories are legendary. Because he and his crew would (essentially) steal hotel per diem and lie on time sheets, he assumed we all did that. He made us jump through ridiculous hoops to justify our expenses. He never could understand that our generation just wasn't as corrupt as his. As I left that group, he couldn't understand why no one wanted to travel for him anymore.

/NCSB

It's funny that you mention Per Diem. I actually just had a new hire do the opposite to me last week where they tried to return the unused portion of their meal per diem (we provide it in cash). We had to tell him to keep it. Our philosophy is that if our guys don't use all the per diem allotted to them then they obviously made choices to be frugal and deserve the excess or they were in a location where they just didn't have the opportunity to buy a decent meal and thus got screwed. Any extra per diem they have at the end of the week is theirs and it actually struck me as funny that he needed to be told it was okay to keep it.

Then again, another firm we work closely with operates under a use it or lose it mentality so it really shouldn't surprise me.

They would book individual hotel rooms, get paid, 3/4 guys would cancel the room and sleep in the 4th room, collect the cash and share it. That was just the tip of the iceberg.


Wow if it was me I'd keep the single room. My privacy is worth more than the cash that isn't mine anyway.
 
2022-07-04 11:54:50 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: MurphyMurphy: My wfh days I like to tie a stick to my mouse and the oscillating fan and take a nap.

Autohotkey could be the solution you need.


negative, automated monitoring software looks for scripted (regular interval) responses.

an oscillating fan on a stick provides an randomized analog response
 
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