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2022-07-03 7:03:07 AM  
Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)
 
2022-07-03 7:12:50 AM  
We try to as well, but it's farking hard.
 
2022-07-03 7:18:09 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)


If people didn't buy stuff in plastic bottles, the production would halt.

/But people are lazy and don't actually care
 
2022-07-03 7:19:11 AM  

DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

If people didn't buy stuff in plastic bottles, the production would halt.

/But people are lazy and don't actually care


False. Plastic is the cheapest and safest way to transport food in every possible form. Until that changes, plastic will continue to be used
 
2022-07-03 7:20:39 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)


And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT.  That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

There's collaborations like grove that nearly eliminate plastic.  It has not really taken over.  Why?  Consumers haven't bought in.

If customers demand and actively seek out products without plastic... companies will make them!

/Also, it pisses me off that so many so called environmentalists want to 'change the world' but absolutely refuse to lift even the slightest finger to help.  It's cool if people want to save the environment... but only if they themselves apparently don't actually have to do ANYTHING.  Those people are idiots.
 
2022-07-03 7:44:38 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)


Maybe some people want to participate in that shiattiness as little as possible.
 
2022-07-03 7:47:41 AM  
You can just throw out the city diapers, too.
 
2022-07-03 8:00:30 AM  
And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT.  That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

The lack of pockets in ladies' clothing suggests that this statement is completely false.
 
2022-07-03 8:15:10 AM  

jake3988: And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT. That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

There's collaborations like grove that nearly eliminate plastic. It has not really taken over. Why? Consumers haven't bought in.

If customers demand and actively seek out products without plastic... companies will make them!

/Also, it pisses me off that so many so called environmentalists want to 'change the world' but absolutely refuse to lift even the slightest finger to help. It's cool if people want to save the environment... but only if they themselves apparently don't actually have to do ANYTHING. Those people are idiots.


Relying on consumers to agree en mass is a fool's errand. Look at vaccines FFS. We can't even convince a large amount of people to take something that will likely save their lives, for free.
 
2022-07-03 8:50:01 AM  
There's always the option of emptying the item into your hemp grocery bags right there in the aisle. Problem solved.
 
2022-07-03 8:53:08 AM  
Look, people will have to deal with having less in the coming new world order.

Cloth diapers take cotton which is expensive, just let baby run around in straw, and change out your straw flooring as needed!

Formula is expensive to produce, so of course it will be rationed, simply do with less!

Learn to love walking, waiting for over crowded busses, over crowded transit, and lining up to receive your food ration.

Don't worry, your betters won't have to deal with any of that, they simply have your needs in mind, and will be sending you thoughts and prayers!
 
2022-07-03 9:09:57 AM  

Concrete Donkey: DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

If people didn't buy stuff in plastic bottles, the production would halt.

/But people are lazy and don't actually care

False. Plastic is the cheapest and safest way to transport food in every possible form. Until that changes, plastic will continue to be used


Safest? By what metric? People getting a splinter from a wooden crate of vegetables when unloading the truck? As for drinks, I'd like to point out that beer is still predominantly sold in glass bottles and cans. If it was so much safer and cheaper to put in plastic, why didn't they go along with it?

As for it being cheaper, that is what shows people don't care. If people cared they'd pay the additional costs for the plastic free version. It is the same with airlines. People always complain about leg room and costs for extra luggage etc. Yet somehow they keep flying with these cheap airlines. It is almost as if they only really care about the costs.
 
2022-07-03 9:12:21 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)


While I'm sure TFA's writer cares about the pollution aspect, the main thrust of it seems to be their concern over what's making it into their body.

Legislating that companies be responsible for ALL the costs associated with use of their products is what a sane country would do.

This country offloads allows corporates to dump those costs directly on to the environment and their customers.
 
2022-07-03 9:12:36 AM  

trialpha: Relying on consumers to agree en mass is a fool's errand. Look at vaccines FFS. We can't even convince a large amount of people to take something that will likely save their lives, for free.


Maybe, but people who go "I really care and things need to change and laws should be made so everyone is forced to do what I think is important, but I'm not actually going to do anything voluntarily because it won't make that big of a difference" should still be called out for being hypocrites though.
 
2022-07-03 9:19:47 AM  

DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

If people didn't buy stuff in plastic bottles, the production would halt.

/But people are lazy and don't actually care

False. Plastic is the cheapest and safest way to transport food in every possible form. Until that changes, plastic will continue to be used

Safest? By what metric? People getting a splinter from a wooden crate of vegetables when unloading the truck? As for drinks, I'd like to point out that beer is still predominantly sold in glass bottles and cans. If it was so much safer and cheaper to put in plastic, why didn't they go along with it?

As for it being cheaper, that is what shows people don't care. If people cared they'd pay the additional costs for the plastic free version. It is the same with airlines. People always complain about leg room and costs for extra luggage etc. Yet somehow they keep flying with these cheap airlines. It is almost as if they only really care about the costs.


Awwwww thats adorable, you think cans are plastic free

The SECRET of Aluminum Beer Cans. HIDDEN Plastic Cover Inside !
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2022-07-03 9:29:03 AM  

DerAppie: Safest? By what metric?


Plastic is great at reducing food poisoning.  I find it interesting that as disposable plastic bags are going away, the covering on other food products increases because most people never clean their reusable bags. The plastic industry must love the so called "green" bags.
 
2022-07-03 9:32:28 AM  

Concrete Donkey: DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

If people didn't buy stuff in plastic bottles, the production would halt.

/But people are lazy and don't actually care

False. Plastic is the cheapest and safest way to transport food in every possible form. Until that changes, plastic will continue to be used

Safest? By what metric? People getting a splinter from a wooden crate of vegetables when unloading the truck? As for drinks, I'd like to point out that beer is still predominantly sold in glass bottles and cans. If it was so much safer and cheaper to put in plastic, why didn't they go along with it?

As for it being cheaper, that is what shows people don't care. If people cared they'd pay the additional costs for the plastic free version. It is the same with airlines. People always complain about leg room and costs for extra luggage etc. Yet somehow they keep flying with these cheap airlines. It is almost as if they only really care about the costs.

Awwwww thats adorable, you think cans are plastic free

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7r7_SFdSdE4]


I never said they were plastic free, I asked why they still use cans if the choice for plastic is a cost issue. Surely coating metal with plastic is more expensive than just using a plastic container.
 
2022-07-03 9:40:41 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)



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2022-07-03 9:43:37 AM  

DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

If people didn't buy stuff in plastic bottles, the production would halt.

/But people are lazy and don't actually care


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2022-07-03 9:45:48 AM  
Her entire quest is stupid, futile, and performative.

Goods are packed into cardboard boxes that are sealed with plastic tape.  Those boxes get piled on a plastic pallet.  They are then wrapped with plastic cling wrap and shipped to a distribution center.  The cling wrap is discarded, the boxes are restacked according to what a particular store needs on a particular day, and then rewrapped with plastic cling wrap.  At the store, the cling wrap is discarded, the boxes are split, and the goods are placed on the shelf.

Over time, some of the plastic pallets get broken and have to be replaced.  The cardboard is probably recycled, but the plastic tape gets separated out and discarded.  And don't forget at least 2 sets of cling wrap that went into the trash.  Not to mention that the supplies the store needs to stay in business - heavy-duty wipes, mops, cleaning fluid, register tape; all of those include plastic at some point in the supply chain.
 
2022-07-03 9:48:52 AM  

DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: DerAppie: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

If people didn't buy stuff in plastic bottles, the production would halt.

/But people are lazy and don't actually care

False. Plastic is the cheapest and safest way to transport food in every possible form. Until that changes, plastic will continue to be used

Safest? By what metric? People getting a splinter from a wooden crate of vegetables when unloading the truck? As for drinks, I'd like to point out that beer is still predominantly sold in glass bottles and cans. If it was so much safer and cheaper to put in plastic, why didn't they go along with it?

As for it being cheaper, that is what shows people don't care. If people cared they'd pay the additional costs for the plastic free version. It is the same with airlines. People always complain about leg room and costs for extra luggage etc. Yet somehow they keep flying with these cheap airlines. It is almost as if they only really care about the costs.

Awwwww thats adorable, you think cans are plastic free

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7r7_SFdSdE4]

I never said they were plastic free, I asked why they still use cans if the choice for plastic is a cost issue. Surely coating metal with plastic is more expensive than just using a plastic container.


In 5 seconds I was able to google that and learn that plastic doesn't hold carbonation well enough for beer.

For fark's sake, the guy you're arguing with is right, give it a rest.
 
2022-07-03 10:05:02 AM  

trialpha: jake3988: And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT. That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

There's collaborations like grove that nearly eliminate plastic. It has not really taken over. Why? Consumers haven't bought in.

If customers demand and actively seek out products without plastic... companies will make them!

/Also, it pisses me off that so many so called environmentalists want to 'change the world' but absolutely refuse to lift even the slightest finger to help. It's cool if people want to save the environment... but only if they themselves apparently don't actually have to do ANYTHING. Those people are idiots.

Relying on consumers to agree en mass is a fool's errand. Look at vaccines FFS. We can't even convince a large amount of people to take something that will likely save their lives, for free.


No, it's the only way.  If company A decides to help the environment and stop making a certain product, or make a product more environmentally friendly (but costs more), guess what consumers are going to do?  They'll go to company B, and C, and D that produce the cheaper environmentally-unfriendly version they still want.

So either consumers have to change their behavior or somehow companies, who are all competing against other, all have to simultaneously agree to change.

/Consumers changing their behavior (through education!) is what drives change.  For example, sulfates being removed from stuff was mocked at first even though it's shown to be better for you.  Consumers got educated about it, started seeking out sulfate-free items.  Now virtually every company under the sun makes sulfate-free stuff.  See how that works?!
 
2022-07-03 10:20:25 AM  

jake3988: trialpha: jake3988: And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT. That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

There's collaborations like grove that nearly eliminate plastic. It has not really taken over. Why? Consumers haven't bought in.

If customers demand and actively seek out products without plastic... companies will make them!

/Also, it pisses me off that so many so called environmentalists want to 'change the world' but absolutely refuse to lift even the slightest finger to help. It's cool if people want to save the environment... but only if they themselves apparently don't actually have to do ANYTHING. Those people are idiots.

Relying on consumers to agree en mass is a fool's errand. Look at vaccines FFS. We can't even convince a large amount of people to take something that will likely save their lives, for free.

No, it's the only way.  If company A decides to help the environment and stop making a certain product, or make a product more environmentally friendly (but costs more), guess what consumers are going to do?  They'll go to company B, and C, and D that produce the cheaper environmentally-unfriendly version they still want.

So either consumers have to change their behavior or somehow companies, who are all competing against other, all have to simultaneously agree to change.

/Consumers changing their behavior (through education!) is what drives change.  For example, sulfates being removed from stuff was mocked at first even though it's shown to be better for you.  Consumers got educated about it, started seeking out sulfate-free items.  Now virtually every company under the sun makes sulfate-free stuff.  See how that works?!


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It took federal law to abolish child labor, not consumers speaking out about it. It took federal law to make your food safe to eat, not consumers speaking out about it. fark off with your big box propaganda, because only federal law will force companies to use something besides single use plastics
 
2022-07-03 10:27:31 AM  

jake3988: No, it's the only way. If company A decides to help the environment and stop making a certain product, or make a product more environmentally friendly (but costs more), guess what consumers are going to do? They'll go to company B, and C, and D that produce the cheaper environmentally-unfriendly version they still want.

So either consumers have to change their behavior or somehow companies, who are all competing against other, all have to simultaneously agree to change.


All of this is exactly why companies need to be forced by law to change. They'll never agree to it voluntarily.

jake3988: /Consumers changing their behavior (through education!) is what drives change. For example, sulfates being removed from stuff was mocked at first even though it's shown to be better for you. Consumers got educated about it, started seeking out sulfate-free items. Now virtually every company under the sun makes sulfate-free stuff. See how that works?!


For any example you can pick where consumers changing their behavior actually worked, there are dozens where it didn't.
 
2022-07-03 10:30:12 AM  

DON.MAC: DerAppie: Safest? By what metric?

Plastic is great at reducing food poisoning.  I find it interesting that as disposable plastic bags are going away, the covering on other food products increases because most people never clean their reusable bags. The plastic industry must love the so called "green" bags.


Wat? No.

https://lotus-sustainables.com/products/lotus-produce-bags-100-cotton-set-of-5

Fruits and veg don't need plastic protection. In fact they need to breathe.

And as much care as I spend to minimize my plastic use my roommate is pretty much the opposite. He literally walked in from his post-church grocery run with single use bags, plastic soda bottles, as well as sliced watermelon and baking potatoes on styrofoam and wrapped in plastic.

He said the wrapped potatoes were actually cheaper than the loose ones.
 
2022-07-03 10:44:30 AM  
I'm old enough to remember when everything wasn't packaged in plastic. A lot of things came in metal containers that could be reused or glass bottles that could be returned for a deposit and sanitized and reused. Bread used to come in paper bags and it didn't mold as fast because it wasn't encased in plastic which makes it sweat. Meat used to come in butcher paper. Lots of things came in cans and jars and waxed paper. We did just fine before plastic came along.

Before, if you so chose, you could be an asshole and litter and throw paper or cans out of the window as you drove along, but at least they would eventually break down, unlike plastic. I personally don't care much for the development of disposable consumerism because now we're up to our necks in garbage and we don't get much choice in the matter because literally everything is packed in plastic.
 
2022-07-03 10:44:51 AM  

Boudyro: Fruits and veg don't need plastic protection. In fact they need to breathe.


You know there are breathable plastics?  That is a major growth in the plastic industry now.

Most people never ever clean their reusable bags at all.  One contaminated bag can result in a very expensive food recall.
 
2022-07-03 10:46:18 AM  

DON.MAC: You know there are breathable plastics?  That is a major growth in the plastic industry now.


Seems a little like reinventing the wheel when we already had paper bags.
 
2022-07-03 10:50:09 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)


The field of public relations is dedicated to shifting responsibility from from industry to individual. So is one of our two main political parties.
 
2022-07-03 10:51:19 AM  

sheilanagig: I'm old enough to remember when everything wasn't packaged in plastic. A lot of things came in metal containers that could be reused or glass bottles that could be returned for a deposit and sanitized and reused. Bread used to come in paper bags and it didn't mold as fast because it wasn't encased in plastic which makes it sweat.


Then you would be old enough to remember the Tylenol scare.  The copycats after that started playing games with chemicals that would survive the cleaning process.  Once that happened, the glass had to be crushed and remelted and that uses lots of energy.

Bread today has much higher levels of sugar which is why it goes bad so fast.

Broken glass still causes enough kids serious injuries that manufactures who sell things for kids would put them in plastic even if it costs more.
 
2022-07-03 10:53:51 AM  

sheilanagig: Seems a little like reinventing the wheel when we already had paper bags.


Paper works well for a humidity range much smaller than the breathable plastic. If you use plastic to wrap goods, there are more markets than if you use paper.
 
2022-07-03 11:03:41 AM  
"...two hamburger patties and some chicken, separately, in butcher paper. Together they were $21.62."

I hope that was a whole chicken, yikes.
 
2022-07-03 11:11:54 AM  
No matter what, unless we want to live in small dispersed groups at a subsistence level with stone knives and fire as the height of our technology, we're going to cause environmental damage.  No matter what, we're going to run out of terrestrial natural resources eventually.

Our goal should be to keep things enjoyable - and if we want 'moar' (or even to continue at our current level), there will need to be far fewer of us or we'll need to massively increase our energy collection to the point where power is effectively free and we don't mind the cost of recycling things by breaking them back down to their constituent atoms.

The net environmental impact of the average human being needs to be small enough that we can sustain a pleasant lifestyle for ourselves for the remaining habitable period of this planet.  That's about 700 million years, by the way.  At our current rate of resource consumption and environmental damage, we'll be lucky to make it 700 years before everything falls apart.
 
2022-07-03 11:17:33 AM  

DON.MAC: sheilanagig: Seems a little like reinventing the wheel when we already had paper bags.

Paper works well for a humidity range much smaller than the breathable plastic. If you use plastic to wrap goods, there are more markets than if you use paper.


Way to ignore the example I linked of reusable, washable produce bags.

Reusable shopping bags don't have to be washed unless something leaks.

I have reusable grocery bags I almost never use, because I get paper bags and reuse them as my kitchen trash bag. My county has a robust recycling collection program, and the local stores have bag recycling. So our true trash is very minimal. It would be practically nil if we composted.

I can't vouch for what happens after the county takes it, but that's beyond my control. I try to minimize my recyclables to glass, metal, and cardboard but there's still plenty of plastic too.

Lessor known FYIs: Any clean single use "filmy" type plastic can go into the grocery store bag bin that most stores have out front. That includes bread bags, standard produce bags, plastic wrap and anything like them. The thicker zip-lock-type bags can go with regular plastics if they are clean.
 
2022-07-03 11:51:10 AM  

Boudyro: Way to ignore the example I linked of reusable, washable produce bags.

Reusable shopping bags don't have to be washed unless something leaks.


You don't need to wash them if you don't mind the circus of stuff living on it.  Most of it won't make you sick if you do normal food prep stuff like proper washing and cooking.  Lots of people don't and that gets stores sued and food manufactures to do expensive recalls. That is why they are putting more plastic on everything and will continue to do so.

I find it interesting that the "reusable" plastic bags my local shops now sell don't last as long as the one time use bags when you consider lifespan vs weight.  The new bags have to last something like 400 times longer than a single use bag to meet the goal of being better.  That is offset by the fact that the new bags are made of 6 types of plastic and when mixed are not recyclable using any commercial process.
 
2022-07-03 11:58:30 AM  

jake3988: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT.  That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

There's collaborations like grove that nearly eliminate plastic.  It has not really taken over.  Why?  Consumers haven't bought in.

If customers demand and actively seek out products without plastic... companies will make them!

/Also, it pisses me off that so many so called environmentalists want to 'change the world' but absolutely refuse to lift even the slightest finger to help.  It's cool if people want to save the environment... but only if they themselves apparently don't actually have to do ANYTHING.  Those people are idiots.


bwahahaha! try to buy healthy juice at the supermarket. you might want juice without sugar, fructose or sucrose. millions would prefer that for their families. you won't find it on the shelf aside from incredibly expensive small container designer juices. 'they' don't care what consumers want. 'they' do as the please. always have. always will.
 
2022-07-03 12:01:36 PM  
"I got some cans of beans..."

Lol, those cans contain plastic.

Plastic is all we know these days. We love the shiat.
 
2022-07-03 12:32:45 PM  

sinko swimo: jake3988: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT.  That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

There's collaborations like grove that nearly eliminate plastic.  It has not really taken over.  Why?  Consumers haven't bought in.

If customers demand and actively seek out products without plastic... companies will make them!

/Also, it pisses me off that so many so called environmentalists want to 'change the world' but absolutely refuse to lift even the slightest finger to help.  It's cool if people want to save the environment... but only if they themselves apparently don't actually have to do ANYTHING.  Those people are idiots.

bwahahaha! try to buy healthy juice at the supermarket. you might want juice without sugar, fructose or sucrose. millions would prefer that for their families. you won't find it on the shelf aside from incredibly expensive small container designer juices. 'they' don't care what consumers want. 'they' do as the please. always have. always will.


WTF are you talking about?  Every container of orange juice in the refrigerated section is just 100% orange juice.
 
2022-07-03 12:44:40 PM  

FrancoFile: Her entire quest is stupid, futile, and performative.

Goods are packed into cardboard boxes that are sealed with plastic tape.  Those boxes get piled on a plastic pallet.  They are then wrapped with plastic cling wrap and shipped to a distribution center.  The cling wrap is discarded, the boxes are restacked according to what a particular store needs on a particular day, and then rewrapped with plastic cling wrap.  At the store, the cling wrap is discarded, the boxes are split, and the goods are placed on the shelf.

Over time, some of the plastic pallets get broken and have to be replaced.  The cardboard is probably recycled, but the plastic tape gets separated out and discarded.  And don't forget at least 2 sets of cling wrap that went into the trash.  Not to mention that the supplies the store needs to stay in business - heavy-duty wipes, mops, cleaning fluid, register tape; all of those include plastic at some point in the supply chain.


She's not reading your assessment of her behavior, chief.

That means your entire post is stupid, futile, and performative.
 
2022-07-03 12:56:07 PM  

blodyholy: There's always the option of emptying the item into your hemp grocery bags right there in the aisle. Problem solved.


Poses a problem with 2 litre bottles of soda...

/sugar free, thank you very much
//a better deal than 16 oz. bottles, or itty bitty aluminum cans...
 
2022-07-03 1:11:10 PM  
No plastic, eh?
*Ctrl+F* grow your own food
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3 results: Pemberton Farms is known as a zero-waste shopping destination ... Pemberton Farm ... Pemberton Farm

Maybe they should try going where food is made in Cambridge, or making it themselves

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2022-07-03 1:14:57 PM  

sinko swimo: jake3988: Concrete Donkey: Oh for farks sake people, get it through your thick skull that your personal consumption will never make a dent in the problem. Only by using new laws to force the PRODUCERS OF PLASTIC to curb will anything ever be done.


And anyone who thinks otherwise is brain damaged, because my lifetime plastic use will never come close to what gets produced in 12 hours in just plastic bottles (1.2 billion per day)

And how about you get it through your thick skull that companies will do WHATEVER CUSTOMERS WANT.  That's how they make a profit!!!!!!

There's collaborations like grove that nearly eliminate plastic.  It has not really taken over.  Why?  Consumers haven't bought in.

If customers demand and actively seek out products without plastic... companies will make them!

/Also, it pisses me off that so many so called environmentalists want to 'change the world' but absolutely refuse to lift even the slightest finger to help.  It's cool if people want to save the environment... but only if they themselves apparently don't actually have to do ANYTHING.  Those people are idiots.

bwahahaha! try to buy healthy juice at the supermarket. you might want juice without sugar, fructose or sucrose. millions would prefer that for their families. you won't find it on the shelf aside from incredibly expensive small container designer juices. 'they' don't care what consumers want. 'they' do as the please. always have. always will.


What the fark is juice?

Gimme some DRANK.

Ingredients: Sugar. Water. Purple.

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2022-07-03 1:15:23 PM  
There used to be these things called diaper services, that would deliver a pile of clean cloth diapers and pick up the dirty ones so they could wash and sanitize them for reuse.
 
2022-07-03 1:18:33 PM  

BullBearMS: There used to be these things called diaper services, that would deliver a pile of clean cloth diapers and pick up the dirty ones so they could wash and sanitize them for reuse.


that there is a vocation for someone other than me. *puke*
 
2022-07-03 1:24:22 PM  

SumoJeb: BullBearMS: There used to be these things called diaper services, that would deliver a pile of clean cloth diapers and pick up the dirty ones so they could wash and sanitize them for reuse.

that there is a vocation for someone other than me. *puke*


My older brother used to occasionally tell his wife that this one was a mommy diaper.
 
2022-07-03 1:25:12 PM  

BullBearMS: There used to be these things called diaper services, that would deliver a pile of clean cloth diapers and pick up the dirty ones so they could wash and sanitize them for reuse.


Sounds like a business prop with ZERO carbon footprint
 
2022-07-03 1:29:39 PM  

BlazeTrailer: BullBearMS: There used to be these things called diaper services, that would deliver a pile of clean cloth diapers and pick up the dirty ones so they could wash and sanitize them for reuse.

Sounds like a business prop with ZERO carbon footprint


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I doesn't have to drop things to zero.  It just needs to be an improvement over the single use plastic status quo.
 
2022-07-03 2:09:19 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: You can just throw out the city diapers, too.


City diapers? I got dibs on Smallville.
 
2022-07-03 2:11:12 PM  

BlazeTrailer: BullBearMS: There used to be these things called diaper services, that would deliver a pile of clean cloth diapers and pick up the dirty ones so they could wash and sanitize them for reuse.

Sounds like a business prop with ZERO carbon footprint


Less carbon footprint. There are still trucks to pick up and deliver, laundry equipment to run, water to heat and rinse with, and detergent to manufacture and distribute.
 
2022-07-03 2:19:36 PM  
You can't avoid plastic. It's an extremely useful product. It is in everything that you interact with throughout the day. It's easier to avoid wood or metal than plastic.
 
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