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2022-07-02 9:00:25 PM  
Get your hearing checked first. That's the most likely issue.
 
2022-07-02 9:29:46 PM  
Literally what every producer in the music industry has had to deal with forever. Mix a song that sounds fantastic in the studio but sounds like shiat on the $50 bluetooth speaker someone bought at Canadian Tire. That's why a lot of producers use the "car test" to determine their final mix. If it sounds good in the studio with my professional monitors AND sounds good in my car driving down the highway AND sounds good as an MP3 on the cheap earbuds that come with your phone and sounds good on Soundcloud then I know I've got the mix right. If it fails on one of them then I have to go back and tinker until it sounds good on all of them.

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I've also discovered another test since weed became legal in Canada. I didn't do weed before it became legal so I was surprised to discover that when I'm stoned things sound completely different. Different frequencies are attenuated stoned than sober and I cannot work stoned because I can't accurately judge my mix so I never do my mixing or recording stoned. However, because the way my brain interprets the audio frequencies while stoned I sometimes can find errors that I completely overlooked while sober because I was too busy focusing on one part of the song that I didn't notice it. So now when I think I've got the final mix in the can I'll listen back to it stoned and make notes about things I think might need some fine tuning and then go back and listen to the mix again sober and look at my notes and determine "is that really a mistake that slipped through the cracks or was it just an artifact created because the weed has affected the way my brain interprets audio". Often times the "mistakes" I heard stoned aren't really mistakes, but sometimes it pays off big and you hear a mistake you know is going to drive you crazy once you hear it. The weed test really is a useful tool only PLEASE do not combine the weed test and the car test unless you are in the passenger seat.
 
2022-07-02 9:36:45 PM  
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You're welcome.
 
2022-07-02 10:26:23 PM  

Ghastly: Literally what every producer in the music industry has had to deal with forever.


Yup.  It's like traveling in Wales.

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2022-07-02 11:17:37 PM  
One of my friends was the guy who came up with some of the technical specs for the Motown sound.  In the early days, part of what they had to do was take live music and make it so it sounded good on an AM radio. There were things that got shelved because it didn't sound good enough for AM but were released or redone when cheap transistor FM radios started to become popular.  There were songs that had to be redone because they sounded too different between 45 and 33 RPM records.  It is amazing how changes in technology changed the sounds in popular music which now dates the sound.  Elvis would have been nearly imposable to record just a few years before he became popular.  The disco era was a result in wider sound dynamics.  Those changes in technology go back a long time and include things like better brass horn manufacturing techniques as well as improvements piano, organs and harpsichord going back to the 1300s.
 
2022-07-02 11:18:39 PM  

Ghastly: PLEASE do not combine the weed test and the car test unless you are in the passenger seat.


YOU'RE NOT MY PAROLE OFFICER!
 
2022-07-02 11:20:43 PM  
Is it because the people in charge of balancing the audio levels couldnt level a 2x4 on a kansas plain?
 
2022-07-02 11:33:59 PM  
I noticed when I fire up something on Paramount+ on my Roku TV (hooked up wirelessly) I have to jack up the volume, but using the Xfinity Flex box (wired) causes me to drop the volume.  Not sure why this is the case on the same TV.
 
2022-07-02 11:34:28 PM  
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2022-07-02 11:38:34 PM  
If you just watch porn, you won't have these issues.
 
2022-07-02 11:46:51 PM  

bluorangefyre: I noticed when I fire up something on Paramount+ on my Roku TV (hooked up wirelessly) I have to jack up the volume, but using the Xfinity Flex box (wired) causes me to drop the volume.  Not sure why this is the case on the same TV.


I think it has more to do with the difference between services. For me, HBO max is noticably louder than the others and all of them run through the exact same hardware and software. Wifi to Fire Stick to TV to sound bar.
 
2022-07-02 11:51:26 PM  

baron von doodle: bluorangefyre: I noticed when I fire up something on Paramount+ on my Roku TV (hooked up wirelessly) I have to jack up the volume, but using the Xfinity Flex box (wired) causes me to drop the volume.  Not sure why this is the case on the same TV.

I think it has more to do with the difference between services. For me, HBO max is noticably louder than the others and all of them run through the exact same hardware and software. Wifi to Fire Stick to TV to sound bar.


Which is weird because HBO for me is significantly sister than any of my other services.
 
2022-07-02 11:53:40 PM  
Disney/Marvel movies are like that.

I farking HATED watching Black Widow, because I had to crank up the volume to maximum to make out most of the dialog, then BLAM BANG SCREAM and I'd have to quickly turn it back down.

Hell even some of Kenobi was like that.
 
2022-07-02 11:55:53 PM  

rgGolf4: baron von doodle: bluorangefyre: I noticed when I fire up something on Paramount+ on my Roku TV (hooked up wirelessly) I have to jack up the volume, but using the Xfinity Flex box (wired) causes me to drop the volume.  Not sure why this is the case on the same TV.

I think it has more to do with the difference between services. For me, HBO max is noticably louder than the others and all of them run through the exact same hardware and software. Wifi to Fire Stick to TV to sound bar.

Which is weird because HBO for me is significantly sister than any of my other services.


Skinemax has the sisters.
 
2022-07-03 12:01:01 AM  
I got soundbars that seem to do a decent job of voice isolation/enhancement, but we still just gave in and turned on subtitles. The Witcher is what finally drove us to it.
 
2022-07-03 12:03:30 AM  
I've been watching with closed captions on forever, so I haven't not noticed (no hearing issues, it's just my preference)
 
2022-07-03 12:04:25 AM  

redbucket: I've been watching with closed captions on forever, so I haven't not noticed (no hearing issues, it's just my preference)


Haven't noticed. You'd think with all the reading of closed captions I'd be better at writing. You'd be wrong.
 
2022-07-03 12:09:39 AM  

greatgodyoshi: I got soundbars that seem to do a decent job of voice isolation/enhancement, but we still just gave in and turned on subtitles. The Witcher is what finally drove us to it.


"Damnit!! Did he say 'Hmm' or 'fark' there?"

*shrug*

"Screw it then. Turning on the subtitles."
 
2022-07-03 12:11:45 AM  

Ghastly: That's why a lot of producers use the "car test" to determine their final mix.


Led Zeppelin and Flaming Lips sound great over my truck's 6.1 stereo. I suspect Wayne Coyne has been doing finals in pickups with modern systems for a few albums because he's put monsters in the audio. I also listened to the Beatles, and the White Album is the only one that sounds great on many channels, everything else has bad stereo more suited to primitive vinyl stereo separation.
 
2022-07-03 12:18:02 AM  

OkieDookie: rgGolf4: baron von doodle: bluorangefyre: I noticed when I fire up something on Paramount+ on my Roku TV (hooked up wirelessly) I have to jack up the volume, but using the Xfinity Flex box (wired) causes me to drop the volume.  Not sure why this is the case on the same TV.

I think it has more to do with the difference between services. For me, HBO max is noticably louder than the others and all of them run through the exact same hardware and software. Wifi to Fire Stick to TV to sound bar.

Which is weird because HBO for me is significantly sister than any of my other services.

Skinemax has the sisters.


Its after Maria ford early 90s
Its:
Whyareyoupayingfornipslips?.com

Nigerian prince and I started it.
 
2022-07-03 12:18:20 AM  
I swear they use Scots to lip sinc movies. Ieuh gouan tinktolm inda gorkin forp allterium inda vopeiner. Subtitle translation...."I don't think so"

Every movie we watch at home we use the subtitles.
 
2022-07-03 12:19:03 AM  
Silly me , I thought it was because almost everyone started using auto tune because they couldn't carry a tune if their life depended on it .. ..
 
2022-07-03 12:19:11 AM  

wildcardjack: Ghastly: That's why a lot of producers use the "car test" to determine their final mix.

Led Zeppelin and Flaming Lips sound great over my truck's 6.1 stereo. I suspect Wayne Coyne has been doing finals in pickups with modern systems for a few albums because he's put monsters in the audio. I also listened to the Beatles, and the White Album is the only one that sounds great on many channels, everything else has bad stereo more suited to primitive vinyl stereo separation.


Name of truck?
 
2022-07-03 12:22:34 AM  
The reason theaters are running their sound at lower levels than the standard is because these sound engineers cant seem to get it through their heads that most people don't want their ear drums blown out whenever an action sequence come on. This is one of the reasons I don't really enjoy movies anymore, the difference in volume between a dialogue scene and an action scene is simply too drastic.
 
2022-07-03 12:23:36 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: If you just watch porn, you won't have these issues.


Yeah, but then people get all "OMG what the heck are you doing" and "sir, if you don't turn that off right now and zip up your pants, I'm going to have to ask you to leave the theater."
 
2022-07-03 12:24:09 AM  

mikalmd: Silly me , I thought it was because almost everyone started using auto tune because they couldn't carry a tune if their life depended on it .. ..


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Nope, still doing it
 
2022-07-03 12:25:07 AM  

LurkerSupreme: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: If you just watch porn, you won't have these issues.

Yeah, but then people get all "OMG what the heck are you doing" and "sir, if you don't turn that off right now and zip up your pants, I'm going to have to ask you to leave the theaterthis is a Wendy's."

 
2022-07-03 12:28:13 AM  
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2022-07-03 12:37:05 AM  
I thought I was the only one jacking my friggen' volume up to 40 to hear what the hell's being said.
 
2022-07-03 12:40:56 AM  

ProfessorTerguson: wildcardjack: Ghastly: That's why a lot of producers use the "car test" to determine their final mix.

Led Zeppelin and Flaming Lips sound great over my truck's 6.1 stereo. I suspect Wayne Coyne has been doing finals in pickups with modern systems for a few albums because he's put monsters in the audio. I also listened to the Beatles, and the White Album is the only one that sounds great on many channels, everything else has bad stereo more suited to primitive vinyl stereo separation.

Name of truck?


Mine's a 2015 GMC 1500 Texas Edition with the optional subwoofer. There's at least kin in Ford model's I've borrowed. But the 6 speaker package with optional subs have been around a good 20 years.
 
2022-07-03 12:40:59 AM  

ProfessorTerguson: wildcardjack: Ghastly: That's why a lot of producers use the "car test" to determine their final mix.

Led Zeppelin and Flaming Lips sound great over my truck's 6.1 stereo. I suspect Wayne Coyne has been doing finals in pickups with modern systems for a few albums because he's put monsters in the audio. I also listened to the Beatles, and the White Album is the only one that sounds great on many channels, everything else has bad stereo more suited to primitive vinyl stereo separation.

Name of truck?


Bernard P. Waller
 
2022-07-03 12:43:19 AM  

redbucket: I've been watching with closed captions on forever, so I haven't not noticed (no hearing issues, it's just my preference)


I always watch with closed captions, it's just easier.

Lately I've been switching them to Spanish to try and get more practice.  It's interesting to see places where the translation doesn't track exactly
 
2022-07-03 12:45:56 AM  
This thread was very informative, I must be on the wrong site.
 
2022-07-03 12:53:30 AM  
Once you start reading the dialogue it's just easier to comprehend than listening to it spoken. But I feel like I'm missing something like acting.
 
2022-07-03 1:07:26 AM  

edmo: Get your hearing checked first. That's the most likely issue.



Specifically, differential hearing. Having reduced hearing in only one ear is the core reason for finding conversation's difficult to separate from background noise.
 
2022-07-03 1:15:18 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: redbucket: I've been watching with closed captions on forever, so I haven't not noticed (no hearing issues, it's just my preference)

I always watch with closed captions, it's just easier.

Lately I've been switching them to Spanish to try and get more practice.  It's interesting to see places where the translation doesn't track exactly


That's usually on purpose. The subtitle track is almost never a 1:1 transcription, mostly because the timing and pacing wouldn't work out. People have to be able to read the subtitle before it disappears; things have to be adjusted so that the time it takes for the audience to read the words is roughly equal to the time it takes for the actor to say them. They're almost a unique production these days - they're similar to the audio track only because they're trying to tell the same story from the same visual cues.
 
2022-07-03 1:43:28 AM  
A LOT of TV and film directors try to add more emotional weight to dialog by having their actors speak in really soft, breathy voices during really dramatic scenes. The result being that in the pivotal moments of literally any TV show, just about everyone is basically whispering.

I'm thinking the entire film industry needs to spend a couple of weeks on broadway or something until they figure out that they're not as clever as they think they are.
 
2022-07-03 1:52:44 AM  
This should be a correctable issue, if enough people complain about it to make it regulated.  This happened in Canada when enough people complained that TV commercials were substantially louder than the shows they aired in.  The TV channel providers argued they weren't "technically" louder - I think their argument was they were just boosting or shifting certain frequencies for the commercials, but the effect was the same.  Canada's broadcasting regulator created a rule forcing them to make the perceived volumes equivalent or reasonable.  https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/television/publicit/prev.htm

Streaming services fall between the cracks even in Canada, as they aren't traditional TV per se, but I'm sure those loopholes could be plugged if there was enough pressure on politicians.  Other countries can follow suit to make it in the streaming companies' best interest to just do it the same across the board.  If it's an issue in the original audio mixes movies/TV shows are using, enough pressure from the streaming services that buy them can make them change practices, I'm sure - money talks.

/nuts to mumble-everything
//Get off my digital lawn!
 
2022-07-03 2:01:07 AM  
I once had a small studio in a bedroom for my fun toys. I still have my old equipment:

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2022-07-03 2:19:53 AM  
Can you blow me where the pampers is
 
2022-07-03 2:24:59 AM  

olrasputin: greatgodyoshi: I got soundbars that seem to do a decent job of voice isolation/enhancement, but we still just gave in and turned on subtitles. The Witcher is what finally drove us to it.

"Damnit!! Did he say 'Hmm' or 'fark' there?"

*shrug*

"Screw it then. Turning on the subtitles."


The subtitles in the Witcher are just straight up fun. Someone loves their job there.
 
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2022-07-03 2:40:17 AM  

Be polite walk on the right: Can you blow me where the pampers is


heh-heh. oops.
 
2022-07-03 2:42:09 AM  

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Somebody convince Grump to get and wear, hearing aids

WHAT?

eff my life.
 
2022-07-03 3:07:57 AM  

DON.MAC: One of my friends was the guy who came up with some of the technical specs for the Motown sound.  In the early days, part of what they had to do was take live music and make it so it sounded good on an AM radio. There were things that got shelved because it didn't sound good enough for AM but were released or redone when cheap transistor FM radios started to become popular.  There were songs that had to be redone because they sounded too different between 45 and 33 RPM records.  It is amazing how changes in technology changed the sounds in popular music which now dates the sound.  Elvis would have been nearly imposable to record just a few years before he became popular.  The disco era was a result in wider sound dynamics.  Those changes in technology go back a long time and include things like better brass horn manufacturing techniques as well as improvements piano, organs and harpsichord going back to the 1300s.


I listened to Marvin Gay "Let's Get It On" today on the car radio Sirius and I was blown away at how I was able to hear every note so perfectly. I felt like I had studio mixing headphones on. I agree with the video, there are just too many people involved that are not taking the movie audio seriously.
 
2022-07-03 3:09:14 AM  
The issue got me to use captions more often. I find myself very entertained by the music descriptions, particularly in Stranger Things.

Tender caring music
soft reflective music
intensely macabre music
discordant unsettling music

I wonder if they draw the descriptions from the script, from the score, or if the captioners get to choose their own descriptions.

/also, chittering
 
2022-07-03 3:11:07 AM  
Spoiler Alert: Dialog tracks are getting lost in the overall sound mix.
 
2022-07-03 3:15:05 AM  

edmo: Get your hearing checked first. That's the most likely issue.


The entire point of the video was that people needing hearing aids was exactly not the problem.
 
2022-07-03 3:16:41 AM  

UberNeuman: Spoiler Alert: Dialog tracks are getting lost in the overall sound mix.


Who needs dialogue when you have great special effects? Maybe all movies can be enjoyed on mute?
 
2022-07-03 4:08:15 AM  

Lambskincoat: I listened to Marvin Gay "Let's Get It On" today on the car radio Sirius and I was blown away at how I was able to hear every note so perfectly. I felt like I had studio mixing headphones on. I agree with the video, there are just too many people involved that are not taking the movie audio seriously.


It seems that the the ability to record has been much better than the ability to play back in the early days of good tape recoding.  Now there are techniques to pull audio off of analog tapes with better clarity than in the past.
 
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