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2022-07-02 1:14:42 PM  
FTFA: Moore v. Harper is a grave threat to US democracy, and the fate of that democracy probably comes down to Amy Coney Barrett.

Whelp, we're farked.
 
2022-07-02 1:18:25 PM  

Demetrius: FTFA: Moore v. Harper is a grave threat to US democracy, and the fate of that democracy probably comes down to Amy Coney Barrett.

Whelp, we're farked.


Don't they.mran her husband?  After all her flavor of cult requires her to submit to his opinion in all things.
 
2022-07-02 1:19:14 PM  

Noctusxx: Demetrius: FTFA: Moore v. Harper is a grave threat to US democracy, and the fate of that democracy probably comes down to Amy Coney Barrett.

Whelp, we're farked.

Don't they.mran her husband?  After all her flavor of cult requires her to submit to his opinion in all things.


Yaya, typos.  I r trying guud.
 
2022-07-02 2:27:47 PM  
the fate of that democracy probably comes down to Amy Coney Barrett.

Quite possibly the most terrifying sentence in American history. And we have a really colorful history.
 
2022-07-02 3:17:00 PM  
I can't keep track.  Is this the third or the fourth green on this case in the past few days?
 
2022-07-02 3:52:45 PM  
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2022-07-02 3:53:47 PM  
'Murica.
 
2022-07-02 3:54:26 PM  
Voting Rights: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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John Oliver: "So if we want to protect the ballot - which we absolutely should - we need to end the filibuster. And you'd hope every national democratic politician would be screaming about this, but some are doing the opposite. Joe Manchin's consistently defended the filibuster. And when Joe Biden was asked if he supports doing away with it to specifically protect voting rights, this was his maddening answer."

Biden: (from news footage) "What I don't want to do is get wrapped up, right now, in the argument of whether or not this is all about the filibuster or - look, the American public, you can't stop them from voting. You tried last time. More people voted last time than any time in American history. In the middle of the worst pandemic in American history. More people did. And they showed up. They're going to show up again. They're going to do it again."

John: "Sure, Joe. Maybe. Or maybe they'll show up and get turned away, because of everything we've been talking about. Biden's White House even reportedly told voting rights groups that it's possible to out-organize voter suppression. But the problem is, it isn't. It just isn't. That's what voter suppression is, as activists and actual organizers will tell you."

Activist: (from news footage) "I'm very upset with President Biden because I feel like he's not advocating for us in this moment. What I want him to see is - is to stop saying to out-organize voter suppression. I want him to support the elimination of the filibuster. I want him to support and endorse the For The People Act because he needs to step up - step up to the plate. We are at a - at a crossroads. We need federal assistance immediately. If he's incapable of that, he needs to be quiet and go."

John: "Yeah, he's right. The solution to being blocked from voting can't be to 'just vote' for the same reason that the solution to being locked out of your home can't be to tell someone 'just go inside and get the keys.' 'What the fark are you talking about? I'm locked out! How are you not understanding this situation?!' All of this is to say to Joes Biden, Manchin, and any other Joe who wants to skip doing anything significant and instead rely on the perseverance of the American spirit: stop farking around and fix this.

I know it's tempting to bang the optimistic drum that 'More Americans showed up last year than ever before, and by gum, they'll do it again! But here's the thing: the Republicans know that might happen - that's why they're doing this. And anyone unwilling to do what it takes to actually tackle this problem should - and I can't believe I'm going to borrow this quote - really be sat down and not allowed to speak."
 
2022-07-02 3:56:31 PM  
For the record, if this passes, the Supreme Court will no longer need to be considered an authority on anything.

The federal court telling and state courts that they can't restraint their own legislations' illegal activities?  Goodbye rule of law.
 
2022-07-02 3:59:43 PM  
State courts would lose their power to strike down anti-democratic state laws, such as a gerrymander that violates the state constitution or a law that tosses out ballots for arbitrary reasons. And state governors, who ordinarily have the power to veto new state election laws, would lose that power.

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So, basically making red state / blue state a one-way path.  Blue states are free to transition to red states (even if their population is not), but red states will not transition (peacefully) back to blue states.

I don't know what the fark we are going to do between now and 2024 to give ourselves a fighting chance, but it is getting harder and harder to see a path for a peaceable outcome and one that doesn't end in one-party rule by the GOP regardless of what the majority wants nationwide come 2025.
 
2022-07-02 4:00:32 PM  

NewportBarGuy: the fate of that democracy probably comes down to Amy Coney Barrett.

Quite possibly the most terrifying sentence in American history. And we have a really colorful history.


This one is pretty far up there as well

So under Alito's approach, pro-democracy state constitutional provisions might not cease to function altogether, they would only cease to function when Alito and four of his fellow Republican colleagues wish to suspend them.
 
2022-07-02 4:00:52 PM  

alltim: [static.onecms.io image 300x400]


Excellent.
 
2022-07-02 4:00:55 PM  
When everything is on fire, people get numb to it and tune out.

See "BREAKING NEWS" 10 hours after it happens

No one cares anymore until something punches them in the face.

Dems are still moving like a sloth on women's rights and can see LGBTQ+ coming up in a slow-motion crash and are not doing anything.

We're stuck between a Derp and a Meh place.
 
2022-07-02 4:02:21 PM  

alltim: [static.onecms.io image 300x400]


Well done, old sir
 
2022-07-02 4:03:32 PM  
That's the problem with fascists, they only need to gain power once.
 
2022-07-02 4:04:01 PM  
Does it have to do with face paint? Because I'm all for making it illegal.
 
2022-07-02 4:04:54 PM  

New Rising Sun: State courts would lose their power to strike down anti-democratic state laws, such as a gerrymander that violates the state constitution or a law that tosses out ballots for arbitrary reasons. And state governors, who ordinarily have the power to veto new state election laws, would lose that power.

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So, basically making red state / blue state a one-way path.  Blue states are free to transition to red states (even if their population is not), but red states will not transition (peacefully) back to blue states.

I don't know what the fark we are going to do between now and 2024 to give ourselves a fighting chance, but it is getting harder and harder to see a path for a peaceable outcome and one that doesn't end in one-party rule by the GOP regardless of what the majority wants nationwide come 2025.


One possible tactic is everyone run as Republicans. Go hog wild and crazy as shiat during the campaigning season. Be crazier than Boebert snorting crack off of MTG's ass. Then, once enough win, then push legislation and stuff towards sanity.

It's not the party label that defines who the politician is. It is, ultimately, what they choose to do when drafting and voting on legislation, when they work towards helping their community or their state.
 
2022-07-02 4:08:40 PM  
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
 
2022-07-02 4:09:52 PM  
If the Republicans get the White House and Congress in 2025 then the past few weeks will seem like a cake walk in comparison.
 
2022-07-02 4:10:37 PM  
fark this. Let's just choose our representatives by lottery. It's better than the system now gamed as it is.
 
2022-07-02 4:10:41 PM  
The case is perhaps the gravest threat to American democracy since the January 6 attack. It seeks to reinstate gerrymandered congressional maps that were struck down by North Carolina's highest court because they "subordinated traditional neutral redistricting criteria in favor of extreme partisan advantage" for the Republican Party.

Godammit, just for once when my state government does something right for a change SCOTUS swoops in to scuttle it.
 
2022-07-02 4:11:22 PM  

New Rising Sun: State courts would lose their power to strike down anti-democratic state laws, such as a gerrymander that violates the state constitution or a law that tosses out ballots for arbitrary reasons. And state governors, who ordinarily have the power to veto new state election laws, would lose that power.

[i.imgur.com image 318x275]

So, basically making red state / blue state a one-way path.  Blue states are free to transition to red states (even if their population is not), but red states will not transition (peacefully) back to blue states.

I don't know what the fark we are going to do between now and 2024 to give ourselves a fighting chance, but it is getting harder and harder to see a path for a peaceable outcome and one that doesn't end in one-party rule by the GOP regardless of what the majority wants nationwide come 2025.


Now you're getting it.

You can't vote your way out of this. You can't just vote harder. Your vote in a purple state can be null and voided by which party controls the state electors.
 
2022-07-02 4:16:25 PM  
Biden just now released a statement that anyone who wants to vote will be safe crossing state lines.
 
2022-07-02 4:16:50 PM  

OhioUGrad: When everything is on fire, people get numb to it and tune out.

See "BREAKING NEWS" 10 hours after it happens

No one cares anymore until something punches them in the face.

Dems are still moving like a sloth on women's rights and can see LGBTQ+ coming up in a slow-motion crash and are not doing anything.

We're stuck between a Derp and a Meh place.


RNC: Lawful Evil

DNC: Lawful Stupid
 
2022-07-02 4:17:05 PM  
If a state screws over their voters on an in-state vote, that's bad but if they screw over their state's voters for a national election, that's harms the whole nation. It will mean every state that didn't vote for the Republican will have to rebel or accept their newfound status of their votes being meaningless.

OhioUGrad: Dems are still moving like a sloth on women's rights and can see LGBTQ+ coming up in a slow-motion crash and are not doing anything.


What specifically do you want the Dems to do now? Because the game is over and the good guys lost. There will be next season but this season is over.

It took the Conservatives more than forty years to undo abortion. Do not expect to reverse their gain overnight. It will likely take a few decades to right this wrong.
 
2022-07-02 4:18:18 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: You can't vote your way out of this. You can't just vote harder. Your vote in a purple state can be null and voided by which party controls the state electors.


Agreed. If the SC court really does overrule Moore v Harper then voting becomes irrelevant. And at that point we pretty much cease to exist as a country.
 
2022-07-02 4:19:01 PM  
So now that are just looking at precedents, deciding they don't like them and blowing them away with no one bringing it to the court? If someone did I missed it in TFA but no matter. It should be case denied.

Brown is next.
 
2022-07-02 4:19:14 PM  

Befuddled: If a state screws over their voters on an in-state vote, that's bad but if they screw over their state's voters for a national election, that's harms the whole nation. It will mean every state that didn't vote for the Republican will have to rebel or accept their newfound status of their votes being meaningless.

OhioUGrad: Dems are still moving like a sloth on women's rights and can see LGBTQ+ coming up in a slow-motion crash and are not doing anything.

What specifically do you want the Dems to do now? Because the game is over and the good guys lost. There will be next season but this season is over.

It took the Conservatives more than forty years to undo abortion. Do not expect to reverse their gain overnight. It will likely take a few decades to right this wrong.


Why do you expect people electing leaders to understand constitutional law? They were elected to lead, asking what you want someone to do is an ass hole question that you KNOW can't be answered because they don't have a law degree. That's why these people were elected, so figure it the fark out,
 
2022-07-02 4:19:24 PM  
Does anybody believe that they're not going to do it?

The only question is what can be done in answer.
 
2022-07-02 4:20:44 PM  

Befuddled: What specifically do you want the Dems to do now? Because the game is over and the good guys lost. There will be next season but this season is over.


I have opinions about how democrats can no longer save us, and how direct action is our only hope... But I try to limit myself as to how much I say that lest my FBI agent, Mike, comes by to check up on me.
 
2022-07-02 4:20:50 PM  

Pincy: Night Train to Wakanda: You can't vote your way out of this. You can't just vote harder. Your vote in a purple state can be null and voided by which party controls the state electors.

Agreed. If the SC court really does overrule Moore v Harper then voting becomes irrelevant. And at that point we pretty much cease to exist as a country.


Oh we will exist. What we will exist as is one that is decidedly unAmerican.
 
2022-07-02 4:21:02 PM  
The idea that any part of the state government is superior to its own constitution is antithetical to the very notion of a constitutional republic.
 
2022-07-02 4:21:03 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Befuddled: If a state screws over their voters on an in-state vote, that's bad but if they screw over their state's voters for a national election, that's harms the whole nation. It will mean every state that didn't vote for the Republican will have to rebel or accept their newfound status of their votes being meaningless.

OhioUGrad: Dems are still moving like a sloth on women's rights and can see LGBTQ+ coming up in a slow-motion crash and are not doing anything.

What specifically do you want the Dems to do now? Because the game is over and the good guys lost. There will be next season but this season is over.

It took the Conservatives more than forty years to undo abortion. Do not expect to reverse their gain overnight. It will likely take a few decades to right this wrong.

Why do you expect people electing leaders to understand constitutional law? They were elected to lead, asking what you want someone to do is an ass hole question that you KNOW can't be answered because they don't have a law degree. That's why these people were elected, so figure it the fark out,


What are they? The answer guys?
 
2022-07-02 4:22:40 PM  

NewportBarGuy: the fate of that democracy probably comes down to Amy Coney Barrett.

Quite possibly the most terrifying sentence in American history. And we have a really colorful history.


A laughable sentence to even type, as if she's a wild bit that could flip either direction and not a party representative.
 
2022-07-02 4:23:25 PM  

sinner4ever: What are they? The answer guys?


Yes.

If they have no answer then they don't deserve a vote.
 
2022-07-02 4:24:27 PM  

culebra: Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


yeah, oh and that rough, slouching beast is Bannon
 
2022-07-02 4:26:02 PM  
It's just the price we have to pay for the Bernie bros not being inspired.
 
2022-07-02 4:26:21 PM  

Yakk: That's the problem with fascists, they only need to gain power once.


Please consider this comment as a vote of 100+ smarts.
 
2022-07-02 4:26:56 PM  
Democrats were warned. Nevertheless they persisted in taking the imaginary high road
 
2022-07-02 4:27:58 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Oh we will exist. What we will exist as is one that is decidedly unAmerican.


I'm not so sure about that. If states decide not to honor the popular vote and instead send the electors they want to the EC then I think we have a big problem. At that point you are looking at an illegitimate president and I'm not so sure all the states will accept that. I don't know exactly what they would do, but I truly think it is the beginning of the end of the "United" States.
 
2022-07-02 4:28:27 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Democrats were warned. Nevertheless they persisted in taking the imaginary high road


Alternately:

Democrats were warned. Nevertheless, they procrastinated.
 
2022-07-02 4:29:54 PM  
This is terrifying and a huge, legitimate, worrisome threat.

But. Not everything is climate change. What I mean by that is not everything is "things aren't so bad now, but if we don't stop X from happening in the near future, everything is ruined forever and we're all doomed."

This sort of thinking has two problems. One, it paints X as irreversible. But also, it undersells how bad things are right now.

Moore v. Harper could be a huge blow for voting rights and our democracy. But treating it as a binary of "if this happens, we're doomed" both oversells the irreversibility of the impact of it and does a disservice to just how farked our voting rights and democracy currently are.
 
2022-07-02 4:30:49 PM  
Up to Amy Conehead Embassment?

We're screwed.
 
2022-07-02 4:32:22 PM  

Demetrius: FTFA: Moore v. Harper is a grave threat to US democracy, and the fate of that democracy probably comes down to Amy Coney Barrett.

Whelp, we're farked.


not present-future tense.  past-present tense.

aka

"we've already been farked"

the rest is just fallout

/war never changes
 
2022-07-02 4:32:28 PM  

Befuddled: If a state screws over their voters on an in-state vote, that's bad but if they screw over their state's voters for a national election, that's harms the whole nation. It will mean every state that didn't vote for the Republican will have to rebel or accept their newfound status of their votes being meaningless.

OhioUGrad: Dems are still moving like a sloth on women's rights and can see LGBTQ+ coming up in a slow-motion crash and are not doing anything.

What specifically do you want the Dems to do now? Because the game is over and the good guys lost. There will be next season but this season is over.

It took the Conservatives more than forty years to undo abortion. Do not expect to reverse their gain overnight. It will likely take a few decades to right this wrong.


Or get really really lucky. Prohibition was around 13 years and the drinking never stopped. Eventually public opinion won.

/still depressing
 
2022-07-02 4:32:41 PM  
If you reduce everything to "state's rights" you don't have a Union anymore you have a Confederacy.

Hmmmm
 
2022-07-02 4:33:42 PM  

puffy999: For the record, if this passes, the Supreme Court will no longer need to be considered an authority on anything.

The federal court telling and state courts that they can't restraint their own legislations' illegal activities?  Goodbye rule of law.


This is Judicial CALVINBALL.

The State Courts can't rule on state legislation or decisions. Sez the Supreme Court.
Also the State legislatures can violate state constitutions.
 
2022-07-02 4:34:21 PM  
We need an Ultra Supreme Court and have Biden name 9 justices who are picked for their superior legal minds and constitutional knowledge. This court will review all recent Supreme Court cases and give their own, much better educated legal opinion. States can then decide to follow the Supreme Court ruling or the Ultra Supreme Court ruling.
 
2022-07-02 4:35:02 PM  

lordjupiter: If you reduce everything to "state's rights" you don't have a Union anymore you have a Confederacy.

Hmmmm


If it comes to that, then I think that blue states should stop paying taxes to the federal government and let the moocher red states suck it.
 
2022-07-02 4:35:40 PM  

NeoCortex42: I can't keep track.  Is this the third or the fourth green on this case in the past few days?


It should be greened every goddamed day until the moment the Trumpstapo busts down the doors to confiscate Fark's servers and send Drew off to the camps.
 
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